IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 May 2012   (all times are UTC)

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03:11
<sfrique>
Hello
03:11
does anyone knows about ltsp-cluster?
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05:32
<knipwim>
sfrique: stgraber does, not sure if he's awake now though
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05:38
<stgraber>
knipwim: I haven't touched it since I left Revolution Linux over a year ago (well, kind of), mgariepy and highvoltage are better contacts for it nowadays
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<knipwim>
kk, noted
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11:47
<Hyperbyte>
mhm... any recommendations which is the best one to pick for an LTSP server? Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server, Edubuntu....?
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11:49
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, with first two you'll end up to same set up.
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12:00
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, really? Because I just installed Ubuntu Server and I'm having a really hard time getting a graphical LTSP setup going
12:01
I'm actually on the verve of calling this experiment failed, and going over to Ubuntu Desktop to give that a try.
12:01
*verge
12:02
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, and I
12:02
hups
12:02
hupsI've started all enviroments from server installation. :D
12:02
Not my day in irc.. Luckily I'm not coding right now.
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<muppis>
I think there's still alternative installation image where presetup enviroment for LTSP.
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<Hyperbyte>
muppis, I think I'm just gonna try Edubuntu. :)
12:12
Setting up LTSP was a breeze with that, last time I tried.
12:13
<muppis>
:D
12:14
I think I need to find out some time to set up my home enviroment again. Messed it up quite well. :)
12:15
<Hyperbyte>
I'm planning to migrate to 12.04... I'm just trying out some new installation on a spare server now... :)
12:19
<muppis>
I was surprised how well upgrading from 11.10 to 12.04 went. Still got working system after reboot. :) Yep, I got a habit to brake something when even that shouldn't be possbile.
12:19
Possible.
12:21
<wafflecone>
anyone out there using a boot splash screen with LTSP 5 on debian?
12:22
my users would be very tense to see all the text
12:22
at boot
12:22
my suggestion to them is "don't look"
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but they cannot avert their gaze
12:28
<Hyperbyte>
wafflecone, plymouth is the default I believe...
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12:38
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
12:44
<wafflecone>
Hyperbyte .... /me is scared :)
12:45
<Hyperbyte>
Morning mgariepy :-)
12:45
wafflecone, of? :-)0000
12:47
<wafflecone>
Hyperbyte I have a perfectly working LTSP configuration that will get screwed up because a couple of users are "nervous" seeing the text boot
12:47
I guess that is what backups are for
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12:56
<mgariepy>
sfrique, if you have question about ltsp-cluster I guess i can answer them ;)
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14:21
<Hyperbyte>
wafflecone:
14:21
!quiet-splash
14:21
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
14:21
<Hyperbyte>
You can add those back if you -do- want to see the splash...
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<Hyperbyte>
Right, so I just installed Edubuntu 12.04... and it went very smoothly... it asked during install if I wanted to install LTSP, it gave a nice warning how installing LTSP would enable a DHCP server (and I don't want that on my network, as I have one)
14:36
So I said "no"
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And it installed LTSP anyways, along with a dhcpd server... it even built a client.
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14:51
<ceinig>
hi everyone. is it possible to have amd64 AND i386 chroot clients the same time, so that I can tell through dhcp server which client has to load amd64 or i386?
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<andygraybeal>
ceinig, i don't do this, but i think it is
14:57
ceinig, i'm not qualified to answer though ;)
14:58
lets wait till one of the seniors responds.
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<andygraybeal>
hey old people, wake up! ;P
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<ceinig>
andygraybeal, :D thx
14:59
<andygraybeal>
seems like it would cause you grief to keep track of two separate images.
14:59
i wouldn't want to do that.
14:59
er, well unless one was for development
14:59
but not rolled out ot my users :)
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<dead_inside>
yes ceinig that is possible
15:05
you need to have two seperate images
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<ceinig>
my problem is, after upgrading to ubuntu 12.04, 3 of my clients, sadly the newer ones, reboot after loading vmlinuz and initd.img. no error message to see. all other machines work fine
15:06
<dead_inside>
and configure your dhcp server to point 32bit clients to the 32bit image, and the 64bit clients to the 64bit image
15:06
cant say i have herd of that problem with 12.04
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<ceinig>
dead_inside, ok, is there anywhere a documentation about that?
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<dead_inside>
not that i know of, i just kinda figured it out because we have many different clients here, i can walk you threw it if you want
15:07
<ceinig>
would be nice :)
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<dead_inside>
do you have the two images built?
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or just one
15:08
none?
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<ceinig>
I just build the amd64, so I have both now
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<dead_inside>
if both images are setup so they should be bootable, then we just need to configure your dhcp server. are you just using dhcpd
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?
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<ceinig>
yes
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<dead_inside>
ok in your /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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you should already have a section about next-server and filename, those should be going to your i368 already?
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should be within subnet brakets
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<ceinig>
next-server is commented out
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<dead_inside>
is your dhcp server the tftp server also?
15:14
<ceinig>
yes
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<dead_inside>
ok then you can forget the next server part
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<ceinig>
ok
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<dead_inside>
and give me one sec, i am going to put up a paste bin example of the dhcpd conf
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<ceinig>
ok :)
15:16
<andygraybeal>
ceinig, you migh have another issue with the newer clients! did you disable all that 3d desktop stuff?
15:16
alkisg has a one-liner that will remove that! it's even stored in the bot, but i don't know the command.
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<andygraybeal>
it's a splendid one-liner :)
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<ceinig>
andygraybeal, didn't try or even know that. would be nice to know
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<andygraybeal>
yes, let me think harder about it
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<dead_inside>
ceinig http://pastebin.com/nXcTHUZm
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it will default clients 32bit
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any hosts you put in the group for 64bit will boot your 64bit
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you just need to change the filename to match your chroots
15:19
<andygraybeal>
ceinig, we might have to wait for alkisg to arise.
15:19
<dead_inside>
!alkisg
15:19
<ltsp>
dead_inside: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
15:20
<dead_inside>
where would we be without alkisg
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<andygraybeal>
:)
15:23
ceinig, i know this is an issue with 10.04 because of that 3d compiz, and his one-liner disables it -- i don't know if there is a comparable 'thing' for 12.04
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so i could be a little off-base on my suggestion.
15:23
but that is the same exact problem i had - -my new machines didn't work, but my old ones did.. the new ones were trying to display the '3d mode'
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and it's a common problme
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<ceinig>
andygraybeal, than I'll wait for alksig and ask him :) thx dead_inside added your lines to my config. will restart the server and then try if it works. thx :)
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17:28
<knipwim>
highvoltage: meeting in 2
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<highvoltage>
knipwim: I'm running a session at UDS in a few minutes, so won't be able to attend this time
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<knipwim>
cool, i'll pass the message
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17:54
<scytheee>
good evening
17:54
<dead_inside>
good morning
17:55
<scytheee>
is it possible to add a boot option for just one single client?
17:55
<dead_inside>
like boot a different image? or dual boot off the hard drive
17:55
?
17:56
<scytheee>
hm, I need a kernel boot option to workaround a bug on a client
17:57
<dead_inside>
no clue on that
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18:04
<vmlintu__>
scytheee: yes, where you have your pxelinux.cfg file, just add a file with name 01-00-01-02-03-04-05, where the file name is 01-mac
18:04
the pxe bios asks first for the file using its mac address and if it doesn't get it, it uses the default file
18:06
<scytheee>
vmlintu__ so I just have to put a 01-00-01-02-03-04-05 file into /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg ?
18:06
<vmlintu__>
yes.. just rename the file to match the mac address of the client
18:06
<scytheee>
vmlintu__ nice, thx :)
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bye
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: license ping
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ooh!
18:12
sbalneav: in a meeting, but feel free to poke, prod and update :)
18:12
<ogra_>
!s
18:12
<ltsp>
ogra_: s: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:12
<ogra_>
:)
18:13
<vagrantc>
oh yeah, Scotty!!!!!
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:16
ogra_: hey, how's Oakland?
18:16
<ogra_>
sunny :)
18:17
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: You had some questions on licenses?
18:24
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ah yes, wwm ... i made a post to ltsp-developer about it. basically, it's derived from other code (evilwm) that's got messy/unclear licensing to begin with...
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sbalneav: posted april 13th, "ldm copyright and licensing"
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19:44
<boospy>
hi :)
19:45
We rolled out LTSP with ubuntu 12.04 at Customer, it works great!
19:45
Anybody here?
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<dead_inside>
am i here?
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<boospy>
ok cool, is it always here so quiet
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<vagrantc>
there is not a constant stream of chatter here, no :)
19:49
<dead_inside>
this time of day, most people in here are in like europe, not on american time
19:49
<vagrantc>
boospy: glad to hear it's working for you, though!
19:49
often times we just hear about things people are having trouble with :)
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<boospy>
dead_inside: ok i understand
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<boospy>
vagrantc: I think most problems you have with not enough harddisk, more disk are better
20:04
more, more, more :)
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21:14
<filpx01>
Good afternoon all.ltsp boot fails with "Setting up nbd-client Error: Socket failed: Connection refused"
21:15
can anyone offer a place to look to resolve?
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<||cw>
logs?
21:19
firewalls?
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<boospy>
Did you build your Client, or did you take that from Edubuntu?
21:20
orga:
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orga_:
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<filpx01>
Does not fail consistently so I'd rule out firewall issues, but will look again and harder.
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<boospy>
flipx01: I never had this problem before.
21:22
every Client every hardware boot fine
21:22
i always take the image from edubuntu and modifi this for me
21:22
<filpx01>
Took the ltsp from the Ubuntu distro annd followed the install and build client instrustions
21:23
<boospy>
ok, i've done this with ubuntu 12.04 and it fails to boot
21:23
i don't no why
21:23
but interessting, the Edbuntu image work fine
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<||cw>
filpx01: have you rebuilt the image very many times?
21:24
which any clients active?
21:24
<boospy>
I do not know the differences between the images
21:24
yes i ve done this
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<filpx01>
Same client - thin-client3 -real original name - boots occasionally. Seem if there is no interaction between server and client for hours there is a higher probability of successful boot
21:25
<||cw>
it's possible to run out of disk space doing that, unless you restart all clients after each rebuild
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<boospy>
how to you mean that?
21:27
with what distro to you test this?
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<Hyperbyte>
filpx01, have you looked at the logs? For example, start 'tail -f /var/log/syslog" on the server, and see if any suspicious messages appear when a client boots and gets the error.
21:27
<boospy>
post the error
21:30
<filpx01>
Have rebuilt more times than I can count. The disk issue is one I'll look at. Also the Edbuntu suggestion will be pursued. Collecting additional info. Stand by
21:31
<boospy>
ok, what distro do you use with
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<filpx01>
. Ubuntu 12.04 is the distro. Nothing in syslog - does not appear to get far enough into the boot to log. Cannot capture (can't figure out how) error as it is on the console just past "loading initrd.img..." Also, just noticed earlier error "plymouthd: ply-terminal.c630: ply_terminal_set_mode: Assertion ... failed"
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<||cw>
boospy: doens't matter. when you rebuild an image, it unlinks the file, but any ndb process that has clients connected will keep the file handles and locks active, making it use disk space
21:37
filpx01: did you turn off splash and quiet on the kernel boot line in your pxe?
21:37
most obvious case is that it can't connect to the server, so while it's at that error state, can you ping it?
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<filpx01>
boopsy, interesting. that could explain the "success" after considerable idle time. Will nbd timeout so the resources can be released?
21:40
cw, connected to the server via ssh at the time the client fires up. removed splash and quiet indefault so I can see terminal output.
21:42
The setup us a pair of virtual machines -virtualbox. 1 server, 1 client. Server has been up 21+ hours and had 2 successful boots, one early today, thesecond 10 hours later.
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successful client boots for clarification
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<filpx01>
Gotta sign off for today. You guys have given me some places to look. Thanks. I'll check back with more info.
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