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Channel log from 24 October 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<gonzaloaf_laptop>
hi, does someone had made an stress test to a ltsp server? and do you have the test plan?
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05:03
<Hyperbyte>
Hey warren... maybe some useful info for you:
05:04
<warren>
could you please e-mail a list?
05:04
<Hyperbyte>
On Fedora 9 LTSP didn't work with sound by default because permissions on /dev/snd/ on the client didn't allow the logged in user to access the device
05:04
<warren>
I'm far away from home now
05:04
Hyperbyte: hmm, I've never seen that happen
05:05
<Hyperbyte>
It was rw-rw---- root root
05:05* warren tests it
05:05
<Hyperbyte>
After I added chmod 777 /dev/snd/* to /etc/rc.d/rc.local, LTSP sound started working.
05:07
<warren>
*all* applications don't output sound?
05:08
Hyperbyte: applications should be using ALSA's pulseaudio conduit for sound output. pulseaudio daemon itself is running as root, so this shouldn't be a permission issue.
05:08
Hyperbyte: are you talking about a local app?
05:09
<Hyperbyte>
warren: I didn't dive into it that far, so I'm not sure about the underlying conduits...
05:09
All I know is I never got LTSP sound to work with Fedora 9, until I allowed user access to /dev/snd... it was actually quite a surprise to hear a Gnome greeting sound. :)
05:09
<warren>
Hyperbyte: any application outputting to ALSA automatically is routed through pulseaudio
05:09
I've NEVER seen it fail
05:10
and I never touch those permissions
05:10* Hyperbyte shrugs
05:10
<warren>
could you please post this to the list?
05:10
maybe somebody else knows what is going on
05:10
<Hyperbyte>
Which list? =)
05:10
<warren>
k12linux-devel-list
05:11
<Hyperbyte>
k, I'll try to do that today...
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<alkisg>
On some ltsp clients I want to force X_MODE_0=a full modeline. But I don't know the full modeline, so for now I set it seperately for each user with the Gnome resolution tool. How can I see the full modeline that Gnome tells X to use?
06:59
Setting X_MODE_0=resolution only, X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH doesn't work, it hangs up the clients, I need a full modeline...
06:59
<ogra>
the gnome resolution tool uses xrandr
06:59
write a script that applies xrandr settings in teh chroot based on a lts.conf variable ;)
07:00
<alkisg>
ogra, thanks
07:00* alkisg starts reading about xrandr...
07:00
<ogra>
just type xrandr in a terminal :)
07:00
it shows you all options it knows
07:00
<alkisg>
Oh, simple!!! :P
07:01
<ogra>
well, you might want to create new modes, fro that gogle is your friend ...
07:01
*google
07:01
one harder part might be to find the output device but i think you safely can assume the default device on ltsp
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<alkisg>
ogra, X reports this mode, I see it in Xorg.7.log, but if I set this to lts.conf it doesn't work, another resolution is used... don't know why
07:02
ogra, btw, in a TC, DISPLAY=:7 xterm used to work, but now it doesn't, do you know why?
07:02
<ogra>
in intrepid ?
07:02
<alkisg>
yes
07:03
(it used to work on hardy)
07:03
<ogra>
X_MODE will only be used in an xorg.conf file ... so you need to set X_CONFIGURE=True
07:03
we dont use that by default anymore in intrepid
07:03
<alkisg>
ogra, yes, I do set CONFIGURE_X=True
07:03
<ogra>
and for jaunty i plan to have an xrandr script as described above
07:03
<alkisg>
and I see a different resolution than the default, but not the one I specify
07:04
Ah, ok, nevermind then, I wanted something "more permanent" to be easier for the teacher in this lab (I'll only be there for a year), but if jaunty has it, it's ok
07:05
any idea about DISPLAY=:7 xterm not working?
07:05
A get a warning "this program is an suid-root program..."
07:05
<ogra>
is DISPLAY=:7 in use ?
07:05
<alkisg>
Yes, ldm is loaded there
07:06
But it used to work on hardy, it showed me an xterm over the greeter
07:06
<ogra>
yu probably need xauth allowance
07:06
<alkisg>
ok, thanks, I'll try something about xauth
07:07
<ogra>
like some xhost call to allow connections from localhost for that display
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<alkisg>
yeap, xrandr works fine!!! :)
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
08:47
<ogra>
yo jammcq
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08:54
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:55
<ogra>
!s
08:55
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:56
<sbalneav>
Morning ogra!
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<cliebow>
!s
09:00
<ltspbot>
cliebow: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<stgraber>
hi sbalneav
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<wpgmb>
I have sound on my thin clients, but volume control doesn't work. How can I change that?
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<sbalneav>
Does the volume control slider appear, it's just moving it does nothing?
10:15
or does the slider not appear?
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<wpgmb>
sbalneav: volume icon/slider is there, can move, but does nothing.
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<sbalneav>
Maybe it's not pointing at the pulse mixer device
10:32
Right click on it, select preferences, and make sure it's set on the ALSA pulse mixer device.
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<wpgmb>
K - will check that. Thx.
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: ping
11:37
hey, this you?
11:37
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F01EED9103AF935A2575BC0A96E958260
11:37
<Gadi>
guilty
11:38
<ogra>
the pic at the bottom right doesnt really look like you
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<ogra>
ah, its angelina jolie :) i should read first :)
11:39
<_UsUrPeR__>
has anyone had any luck removing the "places" and "system" drop-down menu from a ubuntu guest account?
11:42
<Lns>
Gadi: happy 10th anniversary! =)
11:42
<johnny>
why the hell would you want to do that ?
11:42
_UsUrPeR_, it's built into the applet
11:43
there's another menu applet that is more windowslike
11:43
but i think it still includes Places and system in there
11:44
_UsUrPeR_, maybe there's some gconf magic?
11:44
<ogra>
there isnt, but .menu file magic
11:44
have a close look at the edubuntu-menus package for how to fiddle with it
11:45* Lns still needs to look at edubuntu-menus
11:48
<monteslu>
warren, where can I look in the chroot to see what's being executed on login?
11:48
<Lns>
This is weird...after the latest chroot update, my numpad doesn't work *at all*, no matter if the light is on or not.
11:48
<Gadi>
Lns: thanks
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<Nubae>
why is something so simple like embedding a php script so god damn hard
11:54
<Lns>
Nubae: you've been cursing moodle for some time now =)
11:55
<ogra>
rewrite it in python ?
11:55
<Nubae>
yeah... am a bit stuck... I dont see any way around hacking at the core code
11:58
using python I'd have to use django to embed forms I suppose
11:58
<_UsUrPeR__>
johnnyjohnny: bummer :/
11:58
<kc8pxy_>
hey guys.
11:58
<_UsUrPeR__>
oh... redacy one portion of your name :)
11:58
err... redact
11:59* _UsUrPeR__ goes off "the sauce" before noon
12:05
<kc8pxy_>
is there something wrong with my vbox, or my ltsp? I'm trying to test my ltsp with a vbox thinclient. the pxe disk loads,gets an IP address, and then fails, having not gotten a file or root path.
12:08
<Gadi>
is the NIC set to intnet?
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<Lns>
Does anyone have HP T5530 thin-clients?
12:42
I'm having freezing issues with them.. I've passed the parm X_VIDEORAM = 16384 in lts.conf as I've seen in some posts, but they're still having major issues
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<six2one>
is anyone running the disklessworkstations 1400? the one with dvi and 8x agp? if so how are they working out?
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<Lns>
six2one: sorry, I use the 1220 PXE..
12:52
<six2one>
Lns: how they working out?
12:52
<Lns>
love it
12:52
no issues whatsoever, and i'm on it all day long with at least 5 apps open all the time
12:52
streaming internet radio, YT, thunderbird, sunbird, xchat, vmware, others
12:52
it's been great
12:53
probably the only thin client i've found that hasn't had some sort of major issue
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<six2one>
Lns: what version of ltsp u running and did u need any special x drivers for those?
12:55
<Lns>
six2one: LTSP5 under ubuntu 8.04, and no
12:55
everything worked OOTB
12:56
<six2one>
Lns: i was wondering about that cause i have some POS CLI ones now that barely work...geode chipset and they are slow...so i moved to dell gx100s (433 cel and up)
12:56
Lns: the disklessworkstations website mentions that there is a special x driver for the 1200 series, which is why i asked
12:57
<Lns>
six2one: that's for 4.2 i think
12:57
<six2one>
Lns: damn i love ltsp
12:57
<Lns>
Personally I'd stay away from the Geodes if you're going to be doing heavy duty (read: normal workstation) work on it
12:57
they're a bit slow, but they'd work great for a lightweight WM and/or CLI work
12:58
six2one: well you're in the right place then ;)
12:58
<Nubae>
Lns: I found the geode to be rather fast
12:58
<six2one>
Lns: not these geodes...they suck like hell...they can barely run x
12:58
<Nubae>
the one in thincan
12:58
<Lns>
Nubae: what TC are you using w/geode?
12:58
ah
12:58* Lns hasn't tried a thincan yet
12:58
<Nubae>
sugar flies on it...
12:58
<Lns>
haha..well sugar != gnome by a longshot
12:58
<Nubae>
faster than asus eeepc
12:59
I know :-)
12:59
but gnome works fine too
12:59
<six2one>
Nubae: is there any wiki up for getting sugar up and running i can check out?
12:59
<Nubae>
yes there is: www.nubae.com
12:59
the 2nd post from the top documents all the steps for integrating on Ubuntu LTSP
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<six2one>
Nubae: congrats, u now have another blog follower :-)
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<Nubae>
heh
13:02
guess I should or Lns should integrate that into UbuntuLTSP wiki
13:02
hint hint nudge nudge wink
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<Lns>
Nubae: :p you know it IS an open wiki ;)
13:03
I'll throw a link on there if you want though.. but if you want any real content you'll have to put it on yourself =)
13:03
<Nubae>
ah but u do it much better than I, lol
13:03
<Lns>
i know next to nothing about sugar
13:03
you get me the content and i'll put it up
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<Nubae>
its here: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
13:03
there ya go
13:04
:p
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<Gadi>
!sugar
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "sugar" is for anyone curious, this is how to get sugar, ejabberd and collaboration working perfectly on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
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<ogra>
!salt
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<ltspbot>
ogra: Error: "salt" is not a valid command.
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<ogra>
bah
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!pepper
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<ltspbot>
ogra: Error: "pepper" is not a valid command.
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<ogra>
what a stale bot :P
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<Lns>
lol
13:21
!weaksauce
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<ltspbot>
Lns: Error: "weaksauce" is not a valid command.
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<Lns>
Nubae: i'll get that up in a bit
13:24* Lns hates doing actual work not related to ltsp
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<Nubae>
:-)
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<Blinny>
heh
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<cliebow>
!tamari
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: Error: "tamari" is not a valid command.
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<Lns>
dommit stupid netsplits!
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: trying our your Xsession patch now
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc: how did that work out?
18:17
vagrantc: oh, because of a certain problem, you'll have to "make distclean" and rerun autogen.sh and configure...
18:18
the certain problem being that your packaging doesn't use debhelper 7...:)
18:18
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: seems like ldm.xsession doesn't actually get set in get_Xsession, so it falls back to LDM_DEFAULT_XSESSION
18:18
Ryan52: it just sets curr_hosts ...
18:19
Ryan52: i tried tacking on a ldm.xsession = curr_hosts->xsession; ... but not sure that's really what i need to do
18:19
<Ryan52>
oh, yes, it should (and did, originally) have that.
18:20
I had had debugging statements in there that told me where it got the xsession from, and told me what it was so that I knew it was falling back apropriotly...
18:20
I must have removed that line when I took out the debugging..
18:20
err, apropriotly :)
18:20
err, appropriately
18:21* vagrantc understands
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<Ryan52>
is there any way to have bzr combine two commits? or edit commits?
18:25
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: where it calls ldm_info_init or whatever ... it was called with the getenv("LDM_SERVER"); ... will that properly handle selecting a different server?
18:25
<Ryan52>
the fact that bzr doesn't (or at least I don't know how to) have a "git rebase -i" really screws me up...I almost never make mistakes like that when using git, because I commit like crazy and then rebase them together later...
18:26
what is LDM_SERVER?
18:27
the code implies that it's a space separated list of possible servers...
18:27
if it is, then it will be handled fine. if not, then I'm confused.
18:28
<vagrantc>
hmmm... i *thought* it was the actual selected server. but i could be mistaken.
18:28
or rather, the default server ... but it might be whitespace separated list of servers ...
18:29
i'll experiment with it and see how it handles.
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<vagrantc>
hrm. server selection seems broken.
18:37* vagrantc tries with an older ldm
18:37
<Ryan52>
okay, that makes sense.
18:37
because the greeter is using the same mechanism as my code.
18:37
so if the greeter's ldminfo code is broken too, then that would make sense.
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<Ryan52>
(it uses the ldminfo list for more than just stuff from ldminfod, I think)
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<vagrantc>
seems like it may be broken for autologin/guestlogin/login_timeout ...
18:48
server selection, that is ...
18:48
<Ryan52>
vagrantc: so where is the list of servers kept? and how is it broken for only those? /me is confused a bit
18:49
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: well, LDM_SERVER is a space-separated list of servers ... as far as where it's kept within LDM, i don't know.
18:49
Ryan52: but it seems to ignore server selection when using guestlogin and login_timeout
18:50* vagrantc checks if they respect session and language selection
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc: soo...ummm...does it? :)
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<vagrantc_>
looks like load_guestinfo() selects the first server weather another has been selected or not.
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<vagrantc_>
first tries LDM_GUEST_SERVER, LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER and the LDM_SERVER ... and picks the first server in any of those lists.
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19:23* Ryan52 thought that that was how it was supposed to work..
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc_: for example, we want the default server to by ryukin, but the default for guests to be gimpy.
19:24
there's no way to make that work if we allow choosing for the guest...
19:25
<vagrantc_>
Ryan52: well, we also need to be able to select other guest login servers, but exclude the non-guest servers ...
19:25
Ryan52: for example "hardy"
19:25
<Ryan52>
oh, ya, crap...
19:26
<vagrantc_>
guess we could validate the list against LDM_GUEST_SERVER or LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER, and if they pick a different server while choosing autologin, error out with a message
19:26
but that's getting a little complicated
19:27
<Ryan52>
so then when they sit down and press the button it says "ryukin is not a guest server".
19:27
<vagrantc_>
hmmm.
19:27
<Ryan52>
that would confuse me badly...
19:27
<vagrantc_>
gah. this is a feature-blocker for freegeek switching to ldm... *sigh*
19:28
i *thought* we had it ...
19:28
<Ryan52>
it wasn't when we implemented it though.
19:28
<vagrantc_>
sure it was
19:28
<Ryan52>
cause hardy was added more recently than when I started playing with ldm.
19:28
<vagrantc_>
we've had multiple anonymous login servers in the past ...
19:28
<Ryan52>
well, I didn't know that :)
19:29
<vagrantc_>
:)
19:29* vagrantc_ ponders how to implement it cleanly...
19:29
<Ryan52>
maybe if it's not in the LDM_GUEST_SERVER list, then choose LDM_DEFAULT_GUEST_SERVER
19:30
(or something like that)
19:30
<vagrantc_>
or the 0th entry of LDM_GUEST_SERVER
19:30
<Ryan52>
ya
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<vagrantc_>
that's pretty sane ...
19:31
although it silently going to a different server is a little ugly...
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<vagrantc_>
could at the very least log it.
19:36* Ryan52 nods
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<Ryan52>
okay, I'll work on that then...and have it done whenever :)
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<vagrantc_>
Ryan52: i pushed the other changes, too.
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<vagrantc_>
Ryan52: that's nearly the spec folks had been talking about since before the july hackfest
19:47
regarding the Xsession handling...
19:48
it's still missing the "check what's on the server if the server didn't provide it" part.
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19:58* Ryan52 wonders if vagrantc_ is intending to do that or if he's telling me cause he wants me to do it...:D
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<vagrantc_>
heh
19:59
i'm just happy to have the Xsession from ldminfod bit ...
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<kleewyck>
Does anyone know with Ubuntu 8.04 how to get the Xserver to listen on Port udp 177 not udp6 177?
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<cliebow>
you mean xdmcp?
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<kleewyck>
yea..
20:51
I'm just in the process of disabling ipv6 and that might fix it.
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<cliebow>
im noy sure why you are in xdmcp these days...seems like i got bitten by the ipv6 thing years ago
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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