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| 00:39 | <gonzaloaf_laptop> hi, does someone had made an stress test to a ltsp server? and do you have the test plan?
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| 05:03 | <Hyperbyte> Hey warren... maybe some useful info for you:
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| 05:04 | <warren> could you please e-mail a list?
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| 05:04 | <Hyperbyte> On Fedora 9 LTSP didn't work with sound by default because permissions on /dev/snd/ on the client didn't allow the logged in user to access the device
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| 05:04 | <warren> I'm far away from home now
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| 05:04 | Hyperbyte: hmm, I've never seen that happen
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| 05:05 | <Hyperbyte> It was rw-rw---- root root
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| 05:05 | * warren tests it | |
| 05:05 | <Hyperbyte> After I added chmod 777 /dev/snd/* to /etc/rc.d/rc.local, LTSP sound started working.
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| 05:07 | <warren> *all* applications don't output sound?
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| 05:08 | Hyperbyte: applications should be using ALSA's pulseaudio conduit for sound output. pulseaudio daemon itself is running as root, so this shouldn't be a permission issue.
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| 05:08 | Hyperbyte: are you talking about a local app?
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| 05:09 | <Hyperbyte> warren: I didn't dive into it that far, so I'm not sure about the underlying conduits...
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| 05:09 | All I know is I never got LTSP sound to work with Fedora 9, until I allowed user access to /dev/snd... it was actually quite a surprise to hear a Gnome greeting sound. :)
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| 05:09 | <warren> Hyperbyte: any application outputting to ALSA automatically is routed through pulseaudio
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| 05:09 | I've NEVER seen it fail
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| 05:10 | and I never touch those permissions
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| 05:10 | * Hyperbyte shrugs | |
| 05:10 | <warren> could you please post this to the list?
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| 05:10 | maybe somebody else knows what is going on
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| 05:10 | <Hyperbyte> Which list? =)
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| 05:10 | <warren> k12linux-devel-list
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| 05:11 | <Hyperbyte> k, I'll try to do that today...
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> On some ltsp clients I want to force X_MODE_0=a full modeline. But I don't know the full modeline, so for now I set it seperately for each user with the Gnome resolution tool. How can I see the full modeline that Gnome tells X to use?
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| 06:59 | Setting X_MODE_0=resolution only, X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH doesn't work, it hangs up the clients, I need a full modeline...
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| 06:59 | <ogra> the gnome resolution tool uses xrandr
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| 06:59 | write a script that applies xrandr settings in teh chroot based on a lts.conf variable ;)
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| 07:00 | <alkisg> ogra, thanks
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| 07:00 | * alkisg starts reading about xrandr... | |
| 07:00 | <ogra> just type xrandr in a terminal :)
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| 07:00 | it shows you all options it knows
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| 07:00 | <alkisg> Oh, simple!!! :P
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| 07:01 | <ogra> well, you might want to create new modes, fro that gogle is your friend ...
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| 07:01 | *google
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| 07:01 | one harder part might be to find the output device but i think you safely can assume the default device on ltsp
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| 07:01 | <alkisg> ogra, X reports this mode, I see it in Xorg.7.log, but if I set this to lts.conf it doesn't work, another resolution is used... don't know why
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| 07:02 | ogra, btw, in a TC, DISPLAY=:7 xterm used to work, but now it doesn't, do you know why?
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| 07:02 | <ogra> in intrepid ?
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| 07:02 | <alkisg> yes
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| 07:03 | (it used to work on hardy)
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| 07:03 | <ogra> X_MODE will only be used in an xorg.conf file ... so you need to set X_CONFIGURE=True
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| 07:03 | we dont use that by default anymore in intrepid
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> ogra, yes, I do set CONFIGURE_X=True
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| 07:03 | <ogra> and for jaunty i plan to have an xrandr script as described above
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> and I see a different resolution than the default, but not the one I specify
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| 07:04 | Ah, ok, nevermind then, I wanted something "more permanent" to be easier for the teacher in this lab (I'll only be there for a year), but if jaunty has it, it's ok
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| 07:05 | any idea about DISPLAY=:7 xterm not working?
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| 07:05 | A get a warning "this program is an suid-root program..."
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| 07:05 | <ogra> is DISPLAY=:7 in use ?
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> Yes, ldm is loaded there
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| 07:06 | But it used to work on hardy, it showed me an xterm over the greeter
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| 07:06 | <ogra> yu probably need xauth allowance
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> ok, thanks, I'll try something about xauth
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| 07:07 | <ogra> like some xhost call to allow connections from localhost for that display
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| 07:37 | <alkisg> yeap, xrandr works fine!!! :)
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| 08:47 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 08:47 | <ogra> yo jammcq
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:55 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:55 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> Morning ogra!
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| 09:00 | <cliebow> !s
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| 09:00 | <ltspbot> cliebow: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:02 | <stgraber> hi sbalneav
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:41 | <wpgmb> I have sound on my thin clients, but volume control doesn't work. How can I change that?
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| 10:15 | <sbalneav> Does the volume control slider appear, it's just moving it does nothing?
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| 10:15 | or does the slider not appear?
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| 10:28 | <wpgmb> sbalneav: volume icon/slider is there, can move, but does nothing.
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| 10:31 | <sbalneav> Maybe it's not pointing at the pulse mixer device
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| 10:32 | Right click on it, select preferences, and make sure it's set on the ALSA pulse mixer device.
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| 10:37 | <wpgmb> K - will check that. Thx.
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> Gadi: ping
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| 11:37 | hey, this you?
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| 11:37 | http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F01EED9103AF935A2575BC0A96E958260
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| 11:37 | <Gadi> guilty
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| 11:38 | <ogra> the pic at the bottom right doesnt really look like you
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| 11:38 | <ogra> ah, its angelina jolie :) i should read first :)
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| 11:39 | <_UsUrPeR__> has anyone had any luck removing the "places" and "system" drop-down menu from a ubuntu guest account?
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| 11:42 | <Lns> Gadi: happy 10th anniversary! =)
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| 11:42 | <johnny> why the hell would you want to do that ?
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| 11:42 | _UsUrPeR_, it's built into the applet
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| 11:43 | there's another menu applet that is more windowslike
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| 11:43 | but i think it still includes Places and system in there
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| 11:44 | _UsUrPeR_, maybe there's some gconf magic?
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| 11:44 | <ogra> there isnt, but .menu file magic
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| 11:44 | have a close look at the edubuntu-menus package for how to fiddle with it
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| 11:45 | * Lns still needs to look at edubuntu-menus | |
| 11:48 | <monteslu> warren, where can I look in the chroot to see what's being executed on login?
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| 11:48 | <Lns> This is weird...after the latest chroot update, my numpad doesn't work *at all*, no matter if the light is on or not.
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> Lns: thanks
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| 11:53 | * Nubae is starting to hate Moodle | |
| 11:53 | <Nubae> why is something so simple like embedding a php script so god damn hard
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| 11:54 | <Lns> Nubae: you've been cursing moodle for some time now =)
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| 11:55 | <ogra> rewrite it in python ?
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| 11:55 | <Nubae> yeah... am a bit stuck... I dont see any way around hacking at the core code
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| 11:58 | using python I'd have to use django to embed forms I suppose
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| 11:58 | <_UsUrPeR__> johnnyjohnny: bummer :/
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| 11:58 | <kc8pxy_> hey guys.
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| 11:58 | <_UsUrPeR__> oh... redacy one portion of your name :)
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| 11:58 | err... redact
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| 11:59 | * _UsUrPeR__ goes off "the sauce" before noon | |
| 12:05 | <kc8pxy_> is there something wrong with my vbox, or my ltsp? I'm trying to test my ltsp with a vbox thinclient. the pxe disk loads,gets an IP address, and then fails, having not gotten a file or root path.
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> is the NIC set to intnet?
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| 12:41 | <Lns> Does anyone have HP T5530 thin-clients?
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| 12:42 | I'm having freezing issues with them.. I've passed the parm X_VIDEORAM = 16384 in lts.conf as I've seen in some posts, but they're still having major issues
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| 12:46 | <six2one> is anyone running the disklessworkstations 1400? the one with dvi and 8x agp? if so how are they working out?
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| 12:51 | <Lns> six2one: sorry, I use the 1220 PXE..
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| 12:52 | <six2one> Lns: how they working out?
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| 12:52 | <Lns> love it
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| 12:52 | no issues whatsoever, and i'm on it all day long with at least 5 apps open all the time
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| 12:52 | streaming internet radio, YT, thunderbird, sunbird, xchat, vmware, others
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| 12:52 | it's been great
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| 12:53 | probably the only thin client i've found that hasn't had some sort of major issue
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| 12:54 | <six2one> Lns: what version of ltsp u running and did u need any special x drivers for those?
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| 12:55 | <Lns> six2one: LTSP5 under ubuntu 8.04, and no
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| 12:55 | everything worked OOTB
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| 12:56 | <six2one> Lns: i was wondering about that cause i have some POS CLI ones now that barely work...geode chipset and they are slow...so i moved to dell gx100s (433 cel and up)
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| 12:56 | Lns: the disklessworkstations website mentions that there is a special x driver for the 1200 series, which is why i asked
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| 12:57 | <Lns> six2one: that's for 4.2 i think
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| 12:57 | <six2one> Lns: damn i love ltsp
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| 12:57 | <Lns> Personally I'd stay away from the Geodes if you're going to be doing heavy duty (read: normal workstation) work on it
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| 12:57 | they're a bit slow, but they'd work great for a lightweight WM and/or CLI work
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| 12:58 | six2one: well you're in the right place then ;)
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| 12:58 | <Nubae> Lns: I found the geode to be rather fast
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| 12:58 | <six2one> Lns: not these geodes...they suck like hell...they can barely run x
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| 12:58 | <Nubae> the one in thincan
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| 12:58 | <Lns> Nubae: what TC are you using w/geode?
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| 12:58 | ah
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| 12:58 | * Lns hasn't tried a thincan yet | |
| 12:58 | <Nubae> sugar flies on it...
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| 12:58 | <Lns> haha..well sugar != gnome by a longshot
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| 12:58 | <Nubae> faster than asus eeepc
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| 12:59 | I know :-)
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| 12:59 | but gnome works fine too
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| 12:59 | <six2one> Nubae: is there any wiki up for getting sugar up and running i can check out?
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| 12:59 | <Nubae> yes there is: www.nubae.com
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| 12:59 | the 2nd post from the top documents all the steps for integrating on Ubuntu LTSP
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| 13:00 | <six2one> Nubae: congrats, u now have another blog follower :-)
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| 13:01 | <Nubae> heh
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| 13:02 | guess I should or Lns should integrate that into UbuntuLTSP wiki
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| 13:02 | hint hint nudge nudge wink
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| 13:02 | <Lns> Nubae: :p you know it IS an open wiki ;)
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| 13:03 | I'll throw a link on there if you want though.. but if you want any real content you'll have to put it on yourself =)
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| 13:03 | <Nubae> ah but u do it much better than I, lol
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| 13:03 | <Lns> i know next to nothing about sugar
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| 13:03 | you get me the content and i'll put it up
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| 13:03 | <Nubae> its here: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
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| 13:03 | there ya go
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| 13:04 | :p
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> !sugar
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| 13:04 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "sugar" is for anyone curious, this is how to get sugar, ejabberd and collaboration working perfectly on LTSP: http://www.nubae.com/sugar-on-ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-ibex
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| 13:13 | <ogra> !salt
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| 13:13 | <ltspbot> ogra: Error: "salt" is not a valid command.
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| 13:14 | <ogra> bah
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| 13:15 | !pepper
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| 13:15 | <ltspbot> ogra: Error: "pepper" is not a valid command.
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| 13:15 | <ogra> what a stale bot :P
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| 13:21 | <Lns> lol
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| 13:21 | !weaksauce
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| 13:21 | <ltspbot> Lns: Error: "weaksauce" is not a valid command.
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| 13:23 | <Lns> Nubae: i'll get that up in a bit
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| 13:24 | * Lns hates doing actual work not related to ltsp | |
| 13:24 | <Nubae> :-)
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| 13:44 | <Blinny> heh
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| 14:14 | <cliebow> !tamari
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| 14:14 | <ltspbot> cliebow: Error: "tamari" is not a valid command.
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| 16:14 | <Lns> dommit stupid netsplits!
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| 17:05 | * vagrantc sighs seeing the ldm upload for hppa | |
| 17:06 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: trying our your Xsession patch now
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| 18:17 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: how did that work out?
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| 18:17 | vagrantc: oh, because of a certain problem, you'll have to "make distclean" and rerun autogen.sh and configure...
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| 18:18 | the certain problem being that your packaging doesn't use debhelper 7...:)
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: seems like ldm.xsession doesn't actually get set in get_Xsession, so it falls back to LDM_DEFAULT_XSESSION
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| 18:18 | Ryan52: it just sets curr_hosts ...
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| 18:19 | Ryan52: i tried tacking on a ldm.xsession = curr_hosts->xsession; ... but not sure that's really what i need to do
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| 18:19 | <Ryan52> oh, yes, it should (and did, originally) have that.
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| 18:20 | I had had debugging statements in there that told me where it got the xsession from, and told me what it was so that I knew it was falling back apropriotly...
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| 18:20 | I must have removed that line when I took out the debugging..
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| 18:20 | err, apropriotly :)
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| 18:20 | err, appropriately
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| 18:21 | * vagrantc understands | |
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| 18:24 | <Ryan52> is there any way to have bzr combine two commits? or edit commits?
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: where it calls ldm_info_init or whatever ... it was called with the getenv("LDM_SERVER"); ... will that properly handle selecting a different server?
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| 18:25 | <Ryan52> the fact that bzr doesn't (or at least I don't know how to) have a "git rebase -i" really screws me up...I almost never make mistakes like that when using git, because I commit like crazy and then rebase them together later...
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| 18:26 | what is LDM_SERVER?
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| 18:27 | the code implies that it's a space separated list of possible servers...
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| 18:27 | if it is, then it will be handled fine. if not, then I'm confused.
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> hmmm... i *thought* it was the actual selected server. but i could be mistaken.
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| 18:28 | or rather, the default server ... but it might be whitespace separated list of servers ...
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| 18:29 | i'll experiment with it and see how it handles.
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> hrm. server selection seems broken.
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| 18:37 | * vagrantc tries with an older ldm | |
| 18:37 | <Ryan52> okay, that makes sense.
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| 18:37 | because the greeter is using the same mechanism as my code.
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| 18:37 | so if the greeter's ldminfo code is broken too, then that would make sense.
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| 18:38 | <Ryan52> (it uses the ldminfo list for more than just stuff from ldminfod, I think)
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> seems like it may be broken for autologin/guestlogin/login_timeout ...
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| 18:48 | server selection, that is ...
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| 18:48 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: so where is the list of servers kept? and how is it broken for only those? /me is confused a bit
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| 18:49 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: well, LDM_SERVER is a space-separated list of servers ... as far as where it's kept within LDM, i don't know.
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| 18:49 | Ryan52: but it seems to ignore server selection when using guestlogin and login_timeout
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| 18:50 | * vagrantc checks if they respect session and language selection | |
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| 18:59 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: soo...ummm...does it? :)
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| 19:14 | <vagrantc_> looks like load_guestinfo() selects the first server weather another has been selected or not.
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc_> first tries LDM_GUEST_SERVER, LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER and the LDM_SERVER ... and picks the first server in any of those lists.
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| 19:23 | * Ryan52 thought that that was how it was supposed to work.. | |
| 19:24 | <Ryan52> vagrantc_: for example, we want the default server to by ryukin, but the default for guests to be gimpy.
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| 19:24 | there's no way to make that work if we allow choosing for the guest...
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc_> Ryan52: well, we also need to be able to select other guest login servers, but exclude the non-guest servers ...
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| 19:25 | Ryan52: for example "hardy"
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| 19:25 | <Ryan52> oh, ya, crap...
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc_> guess we could validate the list against LDM_GUEST_SERVER or LDM_AUTOLOGIN_SERVER, and if they pick a different server while choosing autologin, error out with a message
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| 19:26 | but that's getting a little complicated
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| 19:27 | <Ryan52> so then when they sit down and press the button it says "ryukin is not a guest server".
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc_> hmmm.
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| 19:27 | <Ryan52> that would confuse me badly...
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| 19:27 | <vagrantc_> gah. this is a feature-blocker for freegeek switching to ldm... *sigh*
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| 19:28 | i *thought* we had it ...
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| 19:28 | <Ryan52> it wasn't when we implemented it though.
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc_> sure it was
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| 19:28 | <Ryan52> cause hardy was added more recently than when I started playing with ldm.
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc_> we've had multiple anonymous login servers in the past ...
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| 19:28 | <Ryan52> well, I didn't know that :)
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| 19:29 | <vagrantc_> :)
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| 19:29 | * vagrantc_ ponders how to implement it cleanly... | |
| 19:29 | <Ryan52> maybe if it's not in the LDM_GUEST_SERVER list, then choose LDM_DEFAULT_GUEST_SERVER
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| 19:30 | (or something like that)
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc_> or the 0th entry of LDM_GUEST_SERVER
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| 19:30 | <Ryan52> ya
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| 19:30 | <vagrantc_> that's pretty sane ...
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| 19:31 | although it silently going to a different server is a little ugly...
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| 19:31 | <vagrantc_> could at the very least log it.
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| 19:36 | * Ryan52 nods | |
| 19:36 | <Ryan52> okay, I'll work on that then...and have it done whenever :)
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc_> Ryan52: i pushed the other changes, too.
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| 19:45 | * Ryan52 noticed | |
| 19:46 | <vagrantc_> Ryan52: that's nearly the spec folks had been talking about since before the july hackfest
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| 19:47 | regarding the Xsession handling...
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| 19:48 | it's still missing the "check what's on the server if the server didn't provide it" part.
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| 19:58 | * Ryan52 wonders if vagrantc_ is intending to do that or if he's telling me cause he wants me to do it...:D | |
| 19:58 | <vagrantc_> heh
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| 19:59 | i'm just happy to have the Xsession from ldminfod bit ...
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| 20:39 | <kleewyck> Does anyone know with Ubuntu 8.04 how to get the Xserver to listen on Port udp 177 not udp6 177?
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| 20:45 | <cliebow> you mean xdmcp?
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| 20:51 | <kleewyck> yea..
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| 20:51 | I'm just in the process of disabling ipv6 and that might fix it.
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| 21:09 | <cliebow> im noy sure why you are in xdmcp these days...seems like i got bitten by the ipv6 thing years ago
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| 22:13 | <jammcq> hey friends
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