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Channel log from 13 April 2012   (all times are UTC)

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09:13
<A_I_>
are there some Epoptes developpers here ?
09:17
<Hyperbyte>
Yep, there are.
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09:28
<alkisg>
A_I_: any specific questions?
09:30
<A_I_>
yes
09:30
I am python win32 dev
09:30
twisted also
09:31
wrote a NT service
09:31
have some experience with twisted perspective broker and SSL
09:31
so if I can help developping some code for epoptes windows client ...
09:32
<alkisg>
That'd be great, sure!
09:32
Have you seen the file /usr/share/epoptes/client-functions?
09:32
<A_I_>
I've seen nothing
09:32
<alkisg>
We extracted all the needed client code into a library
09:32
<A_I_>
my boss just came to me and asked if I would like to develop
09:32
<alkisg>
For just this purpose, to help epoptes-client development in other platforms
09:32
<A_I_>
that was a few minutes ago :-)
09:32
<alkisg>
Ah, ok
09:33
<A_I_>
just discover epoptes but already know iTalc (so I know what it is about ~ )
09:33
<alkisg>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/view/head:/data/client-functions
09:33
<A_I_>
we have a windows client capable of launching vncviewer and winvnc and /listen and -connect etc.
09:34
<alkisg>
That's the protocol that you need to implement in order to have a working windows-based epoptes-client ^
09:34
<A_I_>
so it should be easy to add epoptes code in it
09:34
<alkisg>
And if you see that you need some changes in the protocol, feel free to ping us
09:41
<A_I_>
ok
09:41
I don't understand how this represent a protocol
09:43
but it will surely drain through my brains this we
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09:51
<alkisg>
A_I_: on the wire, text-based commands are transferred
09:51
So e.g. the epoptes GUI will send you: screenshot 150 75
09:51
You read that as a string
09:52
You parse the command, call your thumbnail function, and write the output to your stdout
09:52
I.e. the binary screenshot data
09:52
At that point you're done processing one command and you go on with reading the next one, if it exists
09:58
And of course all that data is transferred through an openssl channel
09:58
But the daemon also supports unencrypted connections, that should help you while developing the client
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<mealstrom>
hi everyone. what is faster nbd-image mount or nfsroot mount ?
11:16
<alkisg>
mealstrom: nbd
11:17
At least in its usual implementation, which also uses mksquashfs, it's many times faster
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<mealstrom>
and home dir is better to mount via nfs, right?
11:45
because of some problems with file locks at sshfs or something like this
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11:48
<alkisg>
Yes, for certain apps
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<supersensitive>
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<alkisg>
..
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<ogra_>
...
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<muppis>
....
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<supersensitive>
?
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....................
12:53
Uhoh 4% batt
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<wim_>
hi, we are using LTSP (debian/wheezy) and the clients are booting as FAT_CLIENT. THe user home is mount over fuse.sshfs. Sometime suddenly the user home dir disconnects and a error is given like 'transport endpoint is not connected'. The only way to get back the user home is to reboot the client. Anyone an idea why this could happen? txs
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<wim_>
hi, we are using LTSP (debian/wheezy) and the clients are booting as FAT_CLIENT. THe user home is mount over fuse.sshfs. Sometime suddenly the user home dir disconnects and a error is given like 'transport endpoint is not connected'. The only way to get back the user home is to reboot the client. Anyone an idea why this could happen? many txs
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14:32
<alkisg>
wim_: does it happen with NFS?
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<wim_>
no, /home/user is mounted like
14:37
192.168.2.1:/home/user on /home/user type fuse.sshfs
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<wim_>
alkisg: can I mount /home/user over nfs? (default it is mounted over sshfs)
14:39
<alkisg>
wim_: yes, with NFS_HOME=/home
14:39
(and the appropriate entry in /etc/exports)
14:40
wim_: wait, wheezy? How new is your ltsp?
14:40
Maybe you can use FSTAB_0 instead of NFS_HOME
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14:41
<wim_>
alkisg: very new
14:41
ltsp-server-standalone 5.3.6-1
14:41
ltspfs 1.1-1
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<alkisg>
OK, export your /home with nfs and put something like this in your lts.conf:
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FSTAB_1="server:/home /home nfs defaults,nolock 0 0"
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14:42
<wim_>
alkisg: txs I give it a try
14:44
<vagrantc>
any pending changes to ldm? hoping to tag and upload 2.2.9 in the next few hours
14:45
stgraber, alkisg, knipwim, cyberorg ^^ ?
14:45
<alkisg>
Nothing from me
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14:53
<stgraber>
vagrantc: good to go
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15:21
<highvoltage>
stgraber: that bug doesn't seem to occur in the installed system, so a css fix will suffice
15:22
<stgraber>
highvoltage: cool, I'll see if I can track it down and fix over the weekend. gtk-css is always a pain to work with...
15:24
highvoltage: can you file a bug against ubiquity with that screenshot attached? assign it to me so I don't forget
15:24
highvoltage: I'm the most familiar with the ubiquity css code anyway...
15:24
<highvoltage>
I filed a bug for it, I'll add more information and tag it against ubiquity
15:30
<stgraber>
highvoltage: k, I updated the bug
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15:31
<highvoltage>
oops, me too
15:32
stgraber: the 'show all desktops' thingy in unity-2d is slow and consumes a lot of bandwidth, do you know if there's a way to disable the animations?
15:34
I guess I'll just have to file a few bugs for unity 2d on ltsp. so far we have that, the dash not working, and some artifacts when brwosing over launcher icons. but if those are fixed then it seems like unity-2d could in concept work fine
15:35
<stgraber>
highvoltage: nope, I'm no unity-2d expert unfortunately, you can try to poke Kaleo or greyback on IRC, they are the authors
15:35
<highvoltage>
k
15:35
<stgraber>
they're certainly planning to do SRU releases of unity in 12.04 so if prioritized properly these can certainly be fixed
15:36
even if that means adding some getenv('LTSP_CLIENT') != NULL in the code ;)
15:36
<highvoltage>
ok
15:36
it's not high priority for me, but I'll at least file the bugs and discuss it with Kaleo so that he's aware of it, and I could offer some testing
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<vagrantc>
stgraber, alkisg: uploaded ldm 2.2.9-1 to debian
16:48
<alkisg>
Cool! Btw epoptes has had 5 new lang translations since the last upload... I wonder if it would be worth to upload yet once more on monday, just the translations. Anyway gotta go, bbl
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<vagrantc>
:P
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<highvoltage>
ciao alexqwesa
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oops, alkisg
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<roasted>
Hello!
17:43
Riddle me this - sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start, NO error, yet it won't start?
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<slackish>
roasted: head -n1 /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server
17:45
if that shows sh,dash,bash
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then try adding a -x flag at the end.. it will show you a trac of what it runs
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ie #!/bin/sh becomes #!/bin/sh -x
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<roasted>
#!/bin/sh comes back
17:51
is that normal?
17:51
<slackish>
that is normal
17:51
<roasted>
I just find it weird I get NO error, nothing in syslog, yet I still get a - when I run service --status-all
17:52
I've brought the interfaces up, down, restarted networking, restarted the server, etc.
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<slackish>
There is probably a good reason, just need to find it. so have you added the -x flag? if so, try starting the server again and see what it runs
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<||cw>
also check /etc/defaults/
17:53
<roasted>
what for in defaults?
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<||cw>
er, with no 's'
17:53
a file with options, sometimes you have to specifically enable a service there
17:54
<roasted>
I'm not that familiar with the default folder, what in particular would I be looking for?
17:54
<||cw>
a dhcp file
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<roasted>
it says INTERFACES=""
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<||cw>
no comments that are helpful?
17:58
<roasted>
yeah, sec
17:58
doing 100 things at once. :(
17:58
so if it reads INTERFACES=" eth0 eth1" it would fly?
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or comma?
17:58
spaces, nm
18:01
still a minus sign
18:01
wow
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restarted networking, restarted dhcp, no dice
18:04
doing another server reboot quick
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(I hate troubleshooting over the phone)
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18:59
<alkisg>
highvoltage: why not set a system-wide default session, unrelated to ltsp then?
19:00
E.g. people logging in from XDMCP or locally on the server or with x2go etc could use the same default setting then...
19:00
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'd like to let epoptes migrate to testing before another upload
19:00
<highvoltage>
alkisg: I guess that would work better, indeed
19:00
alkisg: btw, I did a new edubuntu installation today and it appears that I still had 24bit colour by default
19:00
<alkisg>
stgraber: is it possible to do another epoptes upload, just for the new translations, later on?
19:00
<highvoltage>
(but I'll go double-check since stgraber planted some doubt in my mind)
19:01
<vagrantc>
alkisg: although i guess i could do a translation-only update and set ppriority to medium
19:02
<alkisg>
[2012-04-09] Accepted 0.5.3-1 in unstable (low) => vagrantc: so next upload would be after 19th?
19:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, probably, unless i do a medium priority upload in two days ... although it looks like there are some non-translation code changes as well?
19:03
well, one change, regarding a workaround for twisted
19:03
<alkisg>
We can revert that one line if it helps
19:04
There was a bug in twisted which got fixed so we no longer needed our workaround
19:04
<vagrantc>
it's fine for debian ... though it would probably require a versioned dependency
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<alkisg>
And the bug was ubuntu-specific also...
19:04
(the workaround didn't harm debian of course)
19:04
highvoltage: did you try with a thin or fat client?
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<alkisg>
highvoltage: btw, do you know how to select a system-wide default session in ubuntu? (or in general?)
19:06* alkisg is looking at Xsession.d...
19:06
<vagrantc>
update-alternatives --config x-session-manager ??
19:07
<highvoltage>
alkisg: thin client
19:07
(completely default except for having LDM_DIRECTX set to true in lts.conf)
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: yup that matches what I saw in 50x11-common_determine-startup too... trying it...
19:07
highvoltage: and xwininfo -root | grep Depth says 24?
19:09
/etc/alternatives/x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/gnome-session ==> but which one out of unity, unity-2d, gnome-shell, gnome-fallback? :-/ ...
19:09
<vagrantc>
whatever the default gnome-session does without arguments, i guess.
19:10
i think debian implements wrappers for the gnome variants
19:11
<alkisg>
Makes sense, it would make it much easier for the sysadmin, just an update-alternatives...
19:11
--session=SESSION
19:11
Use the applications defined in SESSION.session. If not specified, gnome.session will be used
19:11
<vagrantc>
yup, there's gnome-session and gnome-session-fallback
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<alkisg>
I have them too here as executables, but they're not listed in update-alternatives
19:14
http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/sessions-3.html.en ==> If no user session file is present, the default settings in /usr/share/gnome/default.session are used.
19:14
<highvoltage>
alkisg: it does indeed say 16bit... and unity2d now works whether I have it specifically set in lts.conf or not, so perhaps I was just caught by some coincedence this morning
19:14
<alkisg>
...but I don't have that file
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<alkisg>
/usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults => sets default for lightdm... but there should be a dm-agnostic way to do the same thing :(
19:30
<highvoltage>
would be nice if it was an alternative
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19:31
<alkisg>
I still can't find out why thin clients default to unity though, when I have gnome-shell installed
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19:48* alkisg gives up and votes highvoltage's LDM_DEFAULT_SESSION idea :)
19:51
<alkisg>
I also think that we don't do any error checking in .dmrc parsing, so if the user has previously selected a session which is no longer there, he won't be able to login until he selects something else
19:51
I think we should fallback to the default session in that case
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<roasted>
hello!
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