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Channel log from 24 August 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:28 | <daduke> vagrantc: hey there.
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| 00:35 | <vagrantc> daduke: hi! just about heading to sleep...
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| 00:35 | <daduke> vagrantc: sweet dreams then!
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| 00:35 | <vagrantc> daduke: things going well at your school?
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| 00:35 | or some other sort of work?
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| 00:35 | <daduke> vagrantc: they are! just found new thin client hardware w/ spectacular results
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| 00:36 | <vagrantc> daduke: ah, good to hear
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| 00:36 | it's getting harder and harder to pitch as a way to re-use old systems
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| 00:36 | <daduke> vagrantc: http://pden.zotac.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=168&category_id=15&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 in case someone's interested
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| 00:37 | vagrantc: full 1920x1200 over HDMI or DVI, fanless, pretty cheap (around USD 150)
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| 00:37 | <vagrantc> impressive
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| 00:38 | <daduke> one prof said "it feels like a desktop machine'
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| 00:38 | <vagrantc> free xorg drivers? or nvidia's binary drivers?
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| 00:38 | <daduke> lenny just works (tm)
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| 00:38 | <vagrantc> nice.
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| 00:41 | i think i've managed to keep all the changes in squeeze/sid compatible with lenny
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| 00:41 | anyways, sleep.
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| 00:42 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 00:42 | <daduke> vagrantc: I have yet to try your backports... when the new server is here, promise
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| 00:42 | vagrantc: good night
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| 04:16 | <kesou_> hello
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| 04:18 | <kesou_> since i upgraded my ltsp serveur to ubuntu 9.10 (64Bits) i have an issue with an application that use webdav to upload files to a server.
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| 04:18 | If the file is larger than 4 MB the transfert is very very very slow...
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| 04:18 | I only have this issus with the ltsp serveur..
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| 04:18 | Thanks for help
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| 04:19 | <vmlintu> What is the application?
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| 04:20 | <kesou_> its an application that use python script for the upload
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| 04:20 | it's an internal application
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| 04:20 | <vmlintu> Does the transfer start fast and then slow down?
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| 04:20 | <kesou_> but i also have this issue withe a webdav client like cadaver
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| 04:21 | yes it's start fast and stop
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| 04:21 | than after a long time it's end
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| 04:21 | <vmlintu> What does this command say:
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| 04:21 | sudo ethtool -a eth0
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| 04:22 | <kesou_> Pause parameters for eth0:
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| 04:22 | Autonegotiate: on
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| 04:22 | RX: on
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| 04:22 | TX: off
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| 04:23 | <vmlintu> Try this: sudo ethtool -A eth0 autoneg off rx off
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| 04:23 | flow control has been the most common cause of this kind of behaviour for me
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| 04:23 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FlowControl
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| 04:24 | <kesou_> i have the same issue with this tuning
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| 04:24 | <vmlintu> Does the transfer go through eth0?
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| 04:24 | <kesou_> yes
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| 04:24 | <vmlintu> What does this say now: sudo ethtool -a eth0
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| 04:25 | <kesou_> in fact the pb only occur with webdav
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| 04:25 | Pause parameters for eth0:
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| 04:25 | Autonegotiate: off
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| 04:25 | RX: off
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| 04:25 | TX: off
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| 04:25 | <vmlintu> hmm, then it must be something different
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| 04:26 | <kesou_> ok
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| 04:26 | how do i set up eth0 to autonegociate
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| 04:26 | <vmlintu> sudo ethtool -A eth0 autoneg on rx on
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| 04:26 | that returns the original settings
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| 04:26 | <kesou_> thanks ;)
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| 04:27 | <vmlintu> You could try wireshark to see what causes the slowdown
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| 04:27 | <kesou_> that what i did
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| 04:28 | and i only see this tram
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| 04:28 | 11:24:52.716319 IP nx6.41222 > 192.168.100.68.www: . 1114960:1116408(1448) ack 1 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 297628435 1254697774>
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| 04:28 | with tcpdump
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| 04:29 | <vmlintu> Do you see individual packets?
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| 04:29 | <kesou_> what do u mean by indivitual packet
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| 04:30 | <vmlintu> Every tcp/udp/icmp packet that goes in the wire?
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| 04:30 | <kesou_> i suppose the there is a lag
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| 04:30 | no only port 80
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| 04:30 | because there is too much trafic on this serve r
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| 04:31 | <vmlintu> This happens with other clients also?
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| 04:31 | <kesou_> yes
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| 04:31 | <kesou_> with ltsp and freenx (both are installed on the server)
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| 04:31 | <vmlintu> the webdav server is the same?
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| 04:32 | <kesou_> but i dont have this issue with stand alone station
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| 04:32 | yes
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| 04:32 | i see a lot of trame like this
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| 04:32 | 11:32:23.359002 IP nx6.47076 > 192.168.100.68.www: . 1217540:1218988(1448) ack 1 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 297741096 1254742817>
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| 04:32 | 11:32:23.359610 IP 192.168.100.68.www > nx6.47076: . ack 1218988 win 7059 <nop,nop,timestamp 1254742837 297741096>
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| 04:32 | 11:32:23.359623 IP nx6.47076 > 192.168.100.68.www: . 1984260:1987156(2896) ack 1 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 297741096 1254742837>
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| 04:32 | 11:32:23.563010 IP nx6.47076 > 192.168.100.68.www: . 1218988:1220436(1448) ack 1 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 297741147 1254742837>
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| 04:33 | 11:32:23.602381 IP 192.168.100.68.www > nx6.47076: . ack 1220436 win 7059 <nop,nop,timestamp 1254742862 297741147>
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| 04:33 | 11:32:23.602399 IP nx6.47076 > 192.168.100.68.www: . 1987156:1990052(2896) ack 1 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 297741156 1254742862>
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| 04:33 | 11:32:23.807760 IP nx6.47076 > 192.168.100.68.www: . 1220436:1221884(1448) ack 1 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 297741208 1254742862>
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| 04:33 | 11:32:23.808248 IP 192.168.100.68.www > nx6.47076: . ack 1221884 win 7059 <nop,nop,timestamp 1254742882 297741208>
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| 04:33 | 11:32:23.808263 IP nx6.47076 > 192.168.100.68.www: . 1990052:1992948(2896) ack 1 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 297741208 1254742882>
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| 04:33 | and the transfert don't go
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| 04:33 | <vmlintu> There's no slowdown if you do a scp copy?
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| 04:35 | <kesou_> yes
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| 04:35 | i am tryning this to be sure wait a minute
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| 04:36 | the transfert is instane
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| 04:36 | it's take 1s for 10 MO
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| 04:37 | test.jpg 100% 10MB 10.0MB/s 00:0
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| 06:28 | <vmlintu> kesou_: sorry, had to run out for a while..
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| 06:28 | kesou_: so you have server1 where webdav is running, server2 that is ltsp running 9.10 and client1 that has no problems?
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| 07:41 | <kesou_> since i upgraded my ltsp serveur to ubuntu 9.10 (64Bits) i have an issue with an application that use webdav to upload files to a server.
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| 07:41 | If the file is larger than 4 MB the transfert is very very very slow...
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| 07:41 | I only have this issus with the ltsp serveur..
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| 07:41 | with tshark i see a lot of [TCP Retransmission]
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| 07:41 | the issue only occur with webdav
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| 07:41 | Thanks for help
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| 07:42 | <garymc> anyonw tell me what this statement means?
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| 07:42 | garymc: And yes, typically you don't add your LTSP as a POF to internet access.
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| 07:43 | I think it was regarding, why the LTSP server plugs directly into the Internet hub
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| 07:43 | check out my piccy
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| 07:43 | http://omploader.org/vMjdoYw/asterisksetup.JPG
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| 07:51 | <zamba> what's the steps needed to get sound working in the thin clients?
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| 08:37 | <garymc> have you tried re booting your thin client?
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| 08:37 | <garymc> zmba: ^^
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| 08:37 | zamba: ^^
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| 08:37 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:38 | <garymc> afternoon
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| 08:38 | :)
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> Morning CAN-o-SPAM
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| 09:06 | * CAN-o-SPAM waves | |
| 09:08 | <CAN-o-SPAM> whats new sbalneav?
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> Working on vmware :)
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| 09:11 | Oh, BTW, tell GodFather there's a new build of sabayon that seems to have most if not all the crasher bugs beaten out of it.
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| 09:13 | <garymc> i plug new hotswap drive in and the sytem dont work no more
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| 09:13 | plug faulty one back in and it works again?
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| 09:13 | dont know why or how
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| 09:15 | <CAN-o-SPAM> sbalneav: 10-4, roger that
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| 09:15 | shawnp0wers: get those PPCs workin yet?
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| 09:18 | <Blinny> garymc: Maybe red means go
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| 09:18 | garymc: You know what would be able to tell you? The manual.
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| 09:18 | <garymc> hah ahaha blinny
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| 09:20 | * sbalneav wonders what hotswap drives have to do with ltsp? | |
| 09:20 | * Blinny shouts 'Amen!' | |
| 09:24 | <garymc> its just im using LTSP on the servers thats all
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| 09:24 | running out of places for help
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| 09:25 | <laga> read the manual ;)
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| 09:26 | <sbalneav> This a hardware raid controller?
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| 09:44 | <garymc> Hi is there anyway of stopping the server booting into a gui in ubuntu LTSP 9.04. so the server sits at command prompt but clients log into GUI?
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| 09:46 | you know incase I have a hard disk failure and need to run disk array to replace it?
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| 09:47 | <jammcq> g'morning friends
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| 09:50 | <garymc> sbalneav: yes it is ^^
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| 09:53 | <shawnp0wers> Hey jammcq -- sorry you couldn't be at the disklessworkstation event a few weeks back, I'm not sure if we've ever met in meatspace...
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| 09:53 | <jammcq> shawnp0wers: yeah, I was out in San francisco
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| 09:54 | we'll run into each other, i'm sure
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| 09:54 | <shawnp0wers> I hear that was a let down this year
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| 09:54 | Were you at LinuxWorld last year?
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| 09:54 | <jammcq> shawnp0wers: in fact, you could come to the LTSP BTS-2009 event
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| 09:54 | shawnp0wers: nope
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| 09:54 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009
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| 09:54 | <shawnp0wers> maybe we're really the same person. I'll be Clark Kent, you can be superman. we're never in the same place...
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| 09:54 | ;)
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| 09:54 | <jammcq> sounds good
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| 09:55 | lemme see if my cape is still in the washing machine
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| 09:55 | <shawnp0wers> hehehe
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| 09:55 | If I can get Linux Journal, or the school to foot the bill -- perhaps I'll be in Maine next August. I've wanted to go for years.
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| 09:55 | er, october
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| 09:56 | (read wrong)
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| 09:56 | so yeah -- probably not this year
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| 09:56 | lol
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| 09:56 | <jammcq> we try to do it every year
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| 09:56 | it's a very low budget event. by far, your biggest expense would be getting there
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| 09:57 | <shawnp0wers> Well, I'll try this year, and try REALLY HARD for next year if it doesn't work. :)
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> k
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| 09:57 | <shawnp0wers> Lobster... mmmmmm
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| 09:57 | <jammcq> yeah
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| 09:57 | all you can eat
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| 09:57 | I still hold the record for having 4 lobsters
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| 09:57 | <shawnp0wers> :D
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| 09:58 | <jammcq> actually, I think Ron is tied with me
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| 09:58 | <shawnp0wers> how far is your drive, in hours?
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| 09:58 | <jammcq> oh, it's a good long drive. just about 1,000 miles door-to-door
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| 09:58 | but I have a customer in rochester, NY that I stop at
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| 09:58 | <shawnp0wers> hmm... add another 350 miles, yeah, that's a long drive. ;)
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| 09:58 | <jammcq> yup
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| 09:59 | <ogra> jammcq, eh ? didnt francis keep up with that in 2006 ?
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| 09:59 | (though i'm not sure anymore he kept them inside that night :) )
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| 09:59 | * shawnp0wers admits to getting squigged out by the green crap in the lobsters. | |
| 10:00 | <jammcq> ogra: 2006 we were in SanFran
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| 10:00 | but maybe 2007
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| 10:00 | <shawnp0wers> You can call it tomally, and make it sound like something good -- but it looks like green crap to me
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| 10:00 | ;)
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| 10:00 | <ogra> oh, right, it was 07
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| 10:00 | <jammcq> he might have actually eaten more lobster
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| 10:01 | he's a little guy, but he can certainly eat
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| 10:01 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:01 | drink ... not so much :)
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| 10:01 | * ogra remembers that it was really funny that year | |
| 10:02 | <jammcq> yeah, but what happens at BTS stays at BTS :)
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| 10:03 | <ogra> whoops and now i leaked the confidential info ... damned :)
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| 10:03 | <shawnp0wers> Anyone: Does anyone see it being worthwhile for me to create a boot environment for my PPC thin clients with LTSP5 -- or should I just keep a copy of K12LTSP-on-Centos-with-4.2 around for them?
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> it's ok, we'll get everyone to sign an NDA
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| 10:03 | <ogra> haha
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| 10:04 | * shawnp0wers ruins the channel by talking shop. :( | |
| 10:04 | <ogra> the ubuntu ppc setup wasnt tested since quite a long time afaik
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| 10:04 | it used to work when i tested it last though
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| 10:04 | (which is about two to three years ago i must admit)
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| 10:05 | <shawnp0wers> I think it would work, but the environment isn't set up by default in 9.04
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| 10:05 | so I'd have to book a PPC client, build the enironment, upload it, troubleshoot the inevitable stuff...
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| 10:05 | <ogra> you need to build the image any everything *on* a ppc
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| 10:05 | <shawnp0wers> and I dont' think sound, video, local apps would work well anyway
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| 10:05 | <ogra> if the kernel supports the HW it will work
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| 10:06 | <shawnp0wers> hmm
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| 10:06 | <ogra> userspace shouldnt have any issues working cross arch
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| 10:06 | <shawnp0wers> Maybe I'll try. I downloaded the 9.04 PPC ISO
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| 10:06 | I must admit, I havne't played with local apps yet at all.
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| 10:06 | <ogra> im running armel clients on i386 here and it works just fine
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| 10:06 | on 9.10 though and only for testing purposes
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| 10:06 | <shawnp0wers> gotcha
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| 10:06 | funny thing is, our old iMacs still look and boot very well
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| 10:07 | the things won't die
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| 10:07 | our eMacs are another story...
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| 10:07 | <ogra> but with 10.04 latest i want to have full cross arch support for armel in the distro, ppc shouldnt be a biggie to add if that landed
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| 10:07 | <shawnp0wers> That would be awesome.
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| 10:07 | <ogra> armel is the future :)
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| 10:08 | <shawnp0wers> Would ppc or armel be just a package? ie, a pre-made package?
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| 10:08 | it seems you'd still have to create the environment on a ppc client
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| 10:08 | to keep it updated
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| 10:08 | <ogra> no, you need to teach ltsp-build-client
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| 10:08 | <shawnp0wers> gotcha
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| 10:09 | <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildEABIChroot
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| 10:09 | <shawnp0wers> LTSP 5 is several orders of magnitude easier for building stuff though. ;)
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| 10:09 | <ogra> thats the base for my cross arch work
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| 10:09 | <shawnp0wers> OH, using qemu. Neat idea. :)
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| 10:09 | <ogra> once i have it fully working its just a matter of rolling a qemu-ppc-static package
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| 10:09 | then i can do the same for ppc
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| 10:09 | <shawnp0wers> will qemu do ppc?
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| 10:10 | <ogra> ubuntus ltsp-build-client already works with that for armel
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| 10:10 | its supposed to, i know vagrant looks at ppc atm
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| 10:10 | <shawnp0wers> brilliant. seriously.
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| 10:14 | <garymc> hey ogra you know if Ubuntu LTSP has to load a GUI on the actual serveR?
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| 10:15 | <shawnp0wers> garymc: Since the thin clients run the Xwindows stuff from the server, it needs to have it installed. You wouldn't need to actually LOAD the GUI environment though I wouldn't think...
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| 10:16 | <garymc> so how do i stop it loading on the server
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| 10:16 | Im just thinking about hard drive failures
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| 10:16 | <garymc> as i have a hard drive gone down right now, and dont know how to replace it
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| 10:16 | <shawnp0wers> in RAID?
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| 10:16 | <garymc> yes
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| 10:16 | <shawnp0wers> soft or hard?
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| 10:17 | <garymc> thats a good question
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| 10:17 | <ogra> garymc, add "text" after quiet and splash to the bootcmdline in grub
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| 10:17 | <shawnp0wers> ie, software raid set up with Linux, or a hardware based RAID card
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| 10:17 | <ogra> that will stop the gui from coming up
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| 10:17 | <garymc> Hardware
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| 10:17 | <shawnp0wers> ogra: thanks, I wasn't sure how to do that anymore with ubuntu...
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| 10:17 | <ogra> but be aware that some apps might rely on the socket from GDM to be there
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| 10:17 | <garymc> ogra: so do i need to even do that?
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| 10:18 | <ogra> so you could see weird things happen in the desktop
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| 10:18 | <shawnp0wers> garymc: is it a hot swap type thing? You might be able to just pull the drive out and replace it
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| 10:18 | <garymc> it is hotswap, and no i cant just pull the drive out and replace it
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| 10:18 | <garymc> well i shut the server down and replaced it and when rebooting it didnt work
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| 10:18 | <garymc> so had to put it back
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| 10:19 | <shawnp0wers> I don't mean to sound condescending, but was it the correct drive?
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| 10:19 | <garymc> it was the one with the red light on it
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| 10:19 | <shawnp0wers> :D
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| 10:19 | <garymc> as if to say its broken
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| 10:19 | <shawnp0wers> ok, cool
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| 10:19 | <garymc> so when i replaced it, it didnt work
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| 10:19 | <shawnp0wers> perhaps you need to go into the RAID BIOS and rebuild?
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| 10:19 | <tstafford_> garymc, i had problems with the fast user switching panel applet in ubuntu 9.04 when gdm was not running on the server
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| 10:20 | <garymc> ok well ill leave it running
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| 10:20 | just trying to figure out how to replace a broken hardrive without reinstalling the whole system
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| 10:20 | <shawnp0wers> Yeah, it reallyshould rebuild the drive when you put a new one in
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| 10:21 | You may want to go into the RAID BIOS on reboot and see what it "says"
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| 10:21 | <ogra> you might find info in #ubuntu-server, many people there are quite experienced with server HW stuff
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| 10:21 | but shawnp0wers seems to be on a good track already
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| 10:22 | oh, i see you are already discussing it in #ubuntu-server in parallel since a while :)
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| 10:22 | <garymc> yep :)
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| 10:22 | * shawnp0wers feels cheated on | |
| 10:22 | <shawnp0wers> ;)
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| 10:22 | <garymc> im trying for help on all angles
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| 10:24 | shawnpOwers: yeah i done that and it says no logical drive creat one?
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| 10:25 | anyone else wanna see my setup in a drawing lol
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| 10:25 | http://omploader.org/vMjdoYw/asterisksetup.JPG
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| 10:25 | <shawnp0wers> woah, no logical drives?
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| 10:25 | <garymc> that includes my LTSP too
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| 10:25 | <shawnp0wers> um.. .that sounds screwed up
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| 10:25 | <garymc> yes
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| 10:25 | thats when i replaced one
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| 10:26 | it said no logical drives
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| 10:26 | <shawnp0wers> Honestly, with it acting like that, I'd backup the whole drive -- fix the drives -- then restore.
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| 10:26 | er, backup the whole system, not the whole drive
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| 10:26 | <garymc> yeah how do you back up the LTSP system
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| 10:26 | <shawnp0wers> Something like G4U would do a block by block copy
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| 10:26 | <garymc> something else i should really know
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| 10:28 | <shawnp0wers> The g4u website seems down for me, but I've used it a LOT for bare metal restores.
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| 10:28 | oh, it's back up. http://www.feyrer.de/g4u
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| 10:33 | <sbalneav> ogra: Got a couple of secs?
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| 10:33 | <Blinny> garymc: In the same vein, I'm a fan of clonezilla.org
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| 10:34 | <shawnp0wers> Blinny: Good call. I'm just a creature of habit, I've been using g4u for years. I've heard nothing but good from clonezilla.
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| 10:35 | <Blinny> shawnp0wers: I've had nothing but good luck w/ clonezilla. I like its flexibility as well -- can 'save' your image via ssh, samba, local disk, disk-to-disk, etc. It's also very fast for multiple clonings.
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| 10:35 | <shawnp0wers> Blinny: Does it do block by block copy too?
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| 10:36 | I would assume so
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| 10:36 | also, is it a distro on its own?
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| 10:36 | * shawnp0wers must research clonezilla apparently. :) | |
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| 10:39 | <Blinny> 'distro' can be a trick term. It boots a linux kernel and then does its thang. And yes, it does block copy (but only for used blocks)
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| 10:39 | :s;trick;tricky
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| 10:50 | <shawnp0wers> I guess that's what I meant, is it bootable. :)
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| 10:52 | <Blinny> Yes.
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| 11:29 | <jammcq> cliebow:
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| 11:29 | <cliebow> jammcq!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:29 | <jammcq> hey, it's been a bit windy there, eh?
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| 11:29 | <cliebow> went by us..
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| 11:29 | lots of sea
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| 11:29 | washing people into the ocean
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| 11:29 | <jammcq> not as close as Noel, right?
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| 11:30 | Hurricane Noel was what we saw in November 2007
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| 11:30 | <cliebow> no..i was away in Boston for my brothers sons wedding this weekend
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> oh
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| 11:30 | looking at the maps, it looks like Noel was a bit closer to SW Harbor
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| 11:30 | <cliebow> i battened things down fore i left..
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| 11:30 | yeah i think there was one killed
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| 11:30 | <jammcq> yeah, kinda tragic
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| 11:31 | <cliebow> bob in 91 ish was the one i remember the best
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| 11:31 | yeah 91..the year my daughter had openheart..i was trying to be in three places at once
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| 11:31 | <jammcq> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Bob
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| 11:32 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bob_1991_track.png
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| 11:32 | <cliebow> looking
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| 11:32 | <jammcq> holy crap, that's right through SW Harbor
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| 11:32 | <cliebow> bob went inland just south enough of us
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| 11:33 | it blew some in the night..next morning it was clear and almost flat calm..wierd
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| 11:34 | that was the beginning of the end of the boatyard..that monday i had to be away..so boats got hauled out wherever..lost tons of storage that year
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| 12:04 | * davidgagne is having difficulties with LTSP + LDAP... | |
| 12:05 | <davidgagne> is there any easy way to configure LDAP authentication (using openLDAP), or is it all conf files?
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| 12:06 | <tstafford_> once you have the ldap server running you had to install pam_nssldap and configure pam to use it...
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| 12:07 | <davidgagne> did that, but for some reason it's not even trying to use ldap...
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| 12:07 | <tstafford_> you edited the files under /etc/pam.d also?
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| 12:08 | <davidgagne> yep
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| 12:08 | should it be as easy as the wiki says?
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| 12:09 | <tstafford_> that probably depends on which wiki
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| 12:09 | but i've done it quite a few times and haven't had a lot of problems
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| 12:09 | <davidgagne> http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LDAP
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| 12:09 | that's good to know
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| 12:10 | we're just in testing stage to see if it's a good idea... migrating our students off of AD+Exchange to google edu, but our library runs on a windows TS...
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| 12:10 | is ubuntu 8.04 the best option for this?
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| 12:11 | <tstafford_> i've tested it on debian and ubuntu... i think ubuntu is a good choice
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| 12:12 | <davidgagne> k thx. I'll give it another shot, and come back when I have more specifics on my issue.
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| 12:12 | <cliebow> davidgagne, the new openldap with configs as ldifs is a hoss of a different color..
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| 12:12 | <davidgagne> oh really?
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| 12:12 | <cliebow> yeah quite a lot different
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| 12:13 | i guess you can still use slapd.conf as the conf file
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| 12:13 | <davidgagne> is there a wiki page for setting that up?
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| 12:14 | <cliebow> i dl ed the stuff from openldap..let me see if i have a url for the stuff i went by..
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| 12:14 | <tstafford_> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html this one is a little more applicable to the newer openldap versions
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| 12:15 | does anyone use jumbo frames for their ltsp clients?
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| 12:16 | <cliebow> one i used is https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/samba-ldap.html
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| 12:17 | <davidgagne> k thx. Does 8.04 use this newer openldap?
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| 12:18 | <tstafford_> oh sorry, the one that cliebow posted may apply more to 8.04
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| 12:18 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenLDAPServer or this one
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| 12:20 | <davidgagne> I'm still pretty new to LTSP, once it's up and running does it take much administration?
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| 12:20 | <cliebow> i wrote a bunch of scripts so most of my guys can add/subtract users..change pws..
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| 12:20 | <cliebow> ohhhh..ltso
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| 12:20 | ptsp..
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| 12:20 | crap
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| 12:21 | <davidgagne> heh
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| 12:21 | nah, we have the LDAP stuff down ok
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| 12:21 | <cliebow> once running i hardly touch mine..but i am still in 4.1 and 4.2
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| 12:21 | <davidgagne> would it be hard to lock down for a library integration?
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| 12:22 | <tstafford_> it's like managing one desktop machine...
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| 12:22 | <davidgagne> not sure that there would be much to break...
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| 12:22 | <cliebow> some people use....senior moment
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| 12:22 | <davidgagne> hah
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| 12:22 | <cliebow> pessulus]
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| 12:22 | <davidgagne> k thx, you've been very helpful
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| 12:22 | gotta run
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| 12:22 | I'll stop back later
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| 12:22 | <cliebow> sure
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| 12:57 | <ltsppbot> "mottz" pasted "ldm_autologin getltscfg" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/485
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| 13:08 | "mottz" pasted "auth.log from server" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/486
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> mottz: LMD_USERNAME="kroom" ==> typo. It's LDM, not LMD.
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| 13:18 | <bieb> can anyone point me to a good how to, I have a PC that I want to setup as a test environment. I was thinking VMware or Virtual box for the server and clients.
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| 13:21 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 13:21 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 13:22 | <Mip5> Hey Gang,
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| 13:24 | <Mip5> I'm about to setup a server with several accounts (say, 30 or so). Is there a way to do this in bulk, and then import some list? There might also be a point where I import a list of all the users in a school, so being able to do it this way would really help.
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| 13:25 | <bieb> sbalneav: was that for me??
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> bieb: yep
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| 13:26 | Just showing you where the docs were. There may be some info in there.
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> you may find useful.
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| 13:26 | <Mip5> btw - I looked in the documentation sbalneav had the server post, and it didn't appear to be there.
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| 13:26 | <Lns> Mip5: there was *something* mentioned in edubuntu-users a while ago about this, might wanna check the archives
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| 13:26 | <bieb> sbalneav: I was looking to see if anyone had good or bad experience with VMware/Virtual box for the setup
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 13:26 | <alkisg> bieb: vbox works fine for me
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| 13:27 | I don't know about any docs, though
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| 13:27 | <Mip5> thanks LNS - I'll hunt around.
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> Mip5: No, that wouldn't be in my docs, because it's not really an ltsp issue.
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| 13:27 | It's just a standard sysadmin issue.
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| 13:27 | <Lns> I want to, after TCM is fairly underway, start a new app for multiuser sysadmin tasks
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| 13:28 | <Lns> I want to call it "MUM" (Multi-User Manager)
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> If you have a list of firstname/lastnames, there's tons of scripts for doing bulk adds.
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| 13:28 | <Lns> err, no that wasn't it
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| 13:28 | "Muff" (multi-user filing facilities)
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> I call it "awk" :)
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| 13:29 | <Lns> lol
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> fun with awk
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:29 | <sbalneav> awk, the king if programming languages.
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| 13:30 | <jammcq> awk rawks
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> Lns, when you do, count me in on that one :)
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| 13:31 | <jammcq> Lns: how about "BUM" (Bulk User Manager) ?
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| 13:31 | <Lns> alkisg: well i think i will since you already have some cool code =)
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| 13:31 | jammcq: good candidate!
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| 13:31 | <bieb> alkisg: will this be needed? http://www.eglug.org/node/3439
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| 13:32 | <Lns> i think i like that one better
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> Ah, the favorite passtime of programmers, coming up with vaguely naughty names for their programs.
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| 13:32 | <alkisg> bieb: no, that's ancient stuff. Now vbox uses packet injection, no need for setting tun/tap devices yourself. Just install it and it works.
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| 13:32 | <Lns> lol... i thought i was being so original
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| 13:33 | <bieb> alkisg: cool.. thanks
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| 13:33 | <jammcq> oh man, the half-baked jokes that are swirling in my head right now. I better just keep quiet
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> When I worked at the University of Winnipeg, I wrote a student account manager package called "SECS"
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| 13:33 | <Blinny> It should be a recursive algorithm (;
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| 13:33 | <Lns> jammcq: don't tell Gadi , he must be sleeping
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| 13:34 | <Blinny> er, acronym
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| 13:34 | *slapf*
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> Student/Education Creation System
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| 13:34 | <Lns> sbalneav: LOL
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| 13:34 | <jammcq> heh, the king of jokes
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| 13:34 | <Lns> "How do I manage these students??" "Well...do you have SECS?"
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> I created a blob forwarding system at GWL called "BLORT"
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| 13:35 | etc.
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| 13:35 | * Lns thinks he needs an app called "blarp" after his favorite random word | |
| 13:36 | <sbalneav> Foo, Fnarp, spluh, goop, foop, etc.
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| 13:37 | Or for the monty-pythoners in the channel, splunge
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| 13:37 | ogra: still awake?
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| 13:38 | <Lns> heheh
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| 13:40 | <sbalneav> Who else here knows about the "copy packages" function of lunchpad?
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| 13:41 | I'm trying to create a hardy target for sabayon
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| 13:41 | * vagrantc uses lunchpad to order a salad | |
| 13:41 | <sbalneav> I always call it lunchpad. Funny, AND saves one letter to type :)
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| 13:42 | * vagrantc just finished breakfast | |
| 13:42 | <sbalneav> go to my ppa
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| 13:42 | select "copy packages"
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| 13:42 | check off sabayon
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| 13:43 | select "build in this ppa"
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| 13:43 | destination series "hardy"
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| 13:44 | <rm-rf> anyone tried to install the zimbra desktop client in a thin client?
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| 13:44 | ubuntu 9.04 thin client
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> and I get the following error:
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| 13:45 | The following source cannot be copied:
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| 13:45 | * sabayon 2.27.91-0ubuntu5~ppa5 in jaunty (same version already has published binaries in the destination archive)
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| 13:46 | now, I have jaunty packages by that name, but I was under the impression that I could have hardy packages there too.
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| 13:46 | with the same name.
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| 13:46 | So, if anyone knows...
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> sbalneav: did you lower the dependencies?
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> no, not yet.
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> ok. I think you can't copy sources from/to the same ppa, only binaries
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| 13:49 | <sbalneav> I was hoping to copy the package, have it fail to build, then I could apt-get source it on a hardy box and fix it up.
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> In the same sense that you can't upload the orig.tar.gz twice
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| 13:49 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 13:50 | OK, I didn't do a rebuild, just a copy, now I seem to have a hardy package there.
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> Why don't you just copy the source from a jaunty box to the hardy box?
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> if the version numbers are identical, most apt repository stuff doesn't handle that stuff really
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| 13:50 | though i have no idea how lunchpad works
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> sbalneav: you can also run pbuilder --dist hardy or something, even from a jaunty box
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| 13:51 | <sbalneav> Hm
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| 13:51 | that might be interesting.
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| 13:51 | alkisg: if you've got a moment, try the hardy package there, see if it works.
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> sbalneav: that would be Lns, as I don't have hardy :)
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hrm. i apparently don't have the disk space to actually work on ltsp-docs packaging ... my cowbuilder environment is too small
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| 13:58 | sbalneav: just to pull in the build-deps
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| 13:58 | i can probably expand it a bit
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: do you happen to know what the build-deps are? so far, i've seen dblatex
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> ah, maybe it's not so bad ignoring recommends
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| 14:09 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Hmmm, hold on
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'm thinking of getting a rough cut that doesn't worry about yelp or any of that. just to get the docs out there in packaged form.
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: dblatex and xmlto
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| 14:10 | That'd be great
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| 14:11 | I don't HAVE to use those xml tools: if there's other/better ones, that's fine.
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| 14:11 | * vagrantc doesn't know xml well enough to recommend anything else | |
| 14:12 | <sbalneav> but dblatex seemed to produce the "nicest" looking pdf, and xmlto allowed for the -> htm -> txt conversions
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> i'll just run ./configure and see if i can make a useful package out of it :)
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| 14:12 | <sbalneav> k
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: well, you've made it rather easy. :)
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> I have to: I'm too dumb to make it hard :)
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| 14:38 | <edgamen> Hi, where could I find good info about Mac clients for LTSP?especifically I'm interested in eMacs.
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| 14:38 | <bieb> sbalneav: scott.. you still here?
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| 14:41 | <sbalneav> bieb: yep
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| 14:41 | Struggling with vmware ESX 3.5 :(
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok, so other than not having a clue how the yelp stuff works, the only issue is that the manpage isn't installed with make install ...
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| 14:42 | <bieb> sbalneav: i know you will be heading home soon... I will have a hardy server tomorrow morning, if you need testing
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| 14:43 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: well, you SHOULD just be able to do a yelp file://path/to/LTSPManual.xml
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| 14:43 | and it should just display in the yelp viewer
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| 14:44 | bieb: thanks
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: and idea on the manpage?
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| 14:44 | any
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> ah, i see a comment "man pages aren't working yet" heh. :)
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| 14:45 | known issue
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> Well, I have 2 ideas on that.
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> i can easily work around it in the packaging
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| 14:45 | <sbalneav> well, the man page should be generated. We can do it one of two ways.
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| 14:46 | <vagrantc> it generates it, it just doesn't install it
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| 14:46 | * vagrantc is excited | |
| 14:46 | <sbalneav> Well, it should just go in $MANBASE/man5
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> oh, it's commented out in the install target
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| 14:47 | pfft. :)
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| 14:47 | * vagrantc tries again | |
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> working swimmingly
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| 14:51 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 14:51 | yeah, it's nice to have an lts.conf(5) manpage.
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| 14:52 | <jammcq> wow, and it only took us 10 years :)
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| 14:52 | <sbalneav> I suspect there's a couple of vars I don't know about. I don't want to insist that you guys stop all the cool features coding to do docs, but it would be sweet if you/stgraber/gadi, etc could just shoot me a 2 line email when you add a new variable, and then I can update the docs for you.
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| 14:53 | <jammcq> sbalneav: for the scanner pkg, you said something about "upstream". what did you mean?
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| 14:53 | <sbalneav> jammcq: We're in this for the long haul
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yeah, i'll endeavor to do better with that :)
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| 14:53 | <nubae> greets...
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| 14:53 | * vagrantc waves to nubae | |
| 14:53 | <jammcq> sbalneav: can't wait to see what we come up with in the next 10 years
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| 14:53 | hey nubae
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| 14:53 | <nubae> have u guys taken a look at custard... the sabayon clone?
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| 14:53 | * jammcq loves custard | |
| 14:54 | <sbalneav> jammcq: I want to add those patches and the dep on sane-utils to the ltsp-trunk bzr branch
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| 14:54 | nubae: yes
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| 14:54 | <nubae> not the actual desert of course :-)
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| 14:54 | sbalneav, any good?
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| 14:54 | <jammcq> sbalneav: ah, what'll that take?
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| 14:54 | <sbalneav> Me checking in with vagrantc, gadi and stgraber to make sure they don't mind :)
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| 14:55 | nubae: it's not as feature complete as sabayon, but is simpler.
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| 14:55 | I want to race sabayon and custard for the next LTS release, see which is better.
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| 14:55 | <nubae> the main question I guess is, does it crash...
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| 14:55 | ah ok, sounds good :-)
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: you've got remote scanners working out of the box?
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| 14:57 | <nubae> next LTS, u mean the LTS after karmic?
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| 14:57 | <jammcq> is karmic a LTS ?
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| 14:57 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: certainly a handy feature
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| 14:57 | <nubae> i thought it was
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| 14:57 | <jammcq> I don't think so
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| 14:57 | next LTS should be next april or so
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| 14:58 | <nubae> oh I guess not...
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: yeah
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| 14:58 | <nubae> so whatever comes after karmic
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| 14:58 | <sbalneav> it's farily simple
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| 14:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: wow. reading through the lts.conf manpage makes me hesitate to add more variables! :)
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| 14:59 | <sbalneav> There's a few :)
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| 14:59 | How's the page look?
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| 14:59 | <jammcq> well... as long as it's shorter than the rsync manpage, we'll be fine
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| 14:59 | <laga> jammcq: ... and better to understand than the bash man page ;)
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: pretty good. a few minor glitches that i'll commit myself.
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| 15:00 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: yeah, the scanner stuff's fairly easy. If SCANNER=True, then start saned with -a
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| 15:01 | and another dep for ltsp-build-client on sane-utils
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> jammcq: roughly 1/4th the size of rsync so far...
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| 15:01 | <nubae> sbalneav, highvoltage and I were suggesting a edubuntu meeting sometime toward end of the week 17.00 utc
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| 15:01 | would that work for u?
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> but give Gadi, stgraber and myself another year, and we'll show rsync a thing or two about brevity.
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| 15:02 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: for ltsp-build-client, or ltsp-client?
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| 15:02 | <nubae> there are lots of folks wanting to help out and there's been a lot of silence from the devs... would help to show that people care a little
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| 15:03 | <sbalneav> nubae: sure, I'm up for a meeting whenever
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| 15:03 | vagrantc: err, ltsp-client I guess
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: no server-side dependencies?
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| 15:03 | <nubae> cool, so say Friday 17.00 utc?
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| 15:03 | <sbalneav> Sure
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hand over the patches, man! :)
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| 15:04 | <nubae> cool, I'll mention it to highvoltage then and send off a note to the mailing list
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| 15:05 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: I'll ship 'em to you later today.
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: rockin
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| 15:05 | <nubae> think laserjock is quite busy these days, dont know if he'll make it
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> Sigh. This sucks. Looks like OLDER versions of vmware esx allowed you to create vm's from the web interface. Now you can only MANAGE vm's from the web interface, but you have to CREATE vm's using their (windows only) software. What, vmware, so Linux is good enough to sit your hypervisor on top of, but not good enough to port your TOOLS to? Geez.
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| 15:18 | * vagrantc remembers linuxconf ohio where vmware made a presentation with all the new features... all of which were windows only | |
| 15:24 | <Gadi> so... what's the new lts.conf param? :)
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| 15:24 | (sorry - was afk a bunch)
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> LDM_LOWBROW boolean
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| 15:30 | <nubae> well sun should fill the void...
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> rofl
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| 15:31 | <Lumiere> or citrix with xen
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| 15:32 | <nubae> I wish openvz wasnt such a hackjob...
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| 15:32 | but I guess its fine for what it does
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| 15:36 | funny, I just saw u can play minesweeper in the alternate server install
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| 15:36 | comes up as a menu option :-)
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| 15:39 | <epsas> Hi
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| 15:39 | SMODULE_01, SMODULE_02, SMODULE_ETC...
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| 15:40 | so I have many different types of sound cards on my network
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| 15:40 | <Gadi> epsas: u on ltsp 4?
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| 15:40 | <epsas> and was wondering if I should just create different SMODULE_01 directives for each machine (per hw-addy)
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| 15:40 | yeah, ltsp4
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| 15:41 | <Gadi> either that, or use the LIKE directive
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| 15:41 | <epsas> the LIKE directive?
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| 15:41 | <Gadi> yeah - for example:
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| 15:41 | [optiplex1234]
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| 15:42 | SMODULE_01=blah
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| 15:42 | [AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF]
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| 15:42 | LIKE=optiplex1234
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| 15:42 | <epsas> ahh, okay
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| 15:42 | that makes a lot of sense
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| 15:43 | <Gadi> it becomes a question of organizational skills at that point (of which I personally have few)
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| 15:43 | :)
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| 15:44 | <epsas> haha
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| 15:44 | <bieb> Gadi: How goes it in NY today?
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> busy - but cooling off outside, they tell me
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| 15:45 | might be time to gnaw thru the chain
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| 15:46 | <bieb> lol.. not cooling off here yet
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| 16:40 | <eXcAliBuR> K12linux - default install - my inspiron 6000 boots over net very nicely, Gx260's gets to the welcome screen and only sees a login box with no text or graphics
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| 16:49 | i'm gonna try setting XSERVER=vesa .. and see if that fixs it
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| 16:49 | bbl
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| 17:20 | <davidgagne> How large does LTSP scale?
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| 17:20 | <LTSP> authenticate ldap using ltsp unbuntu?
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| 17:20 | <davidgagne> How many users on say, an 8-core
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| 17:22 | <LTSP> How do you authenticate LTSP using openLDAP (slapd) - Unbuntu
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| 17:23 | <zamba> LTSP: just set up a ldap client on the server
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| 17:24 | davidgagne: there's about as many answers to that questions as the potential number of users you'll get
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| 17:24 | <davidgagne> haha
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| 17:24 | <zamba> question*
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| 17:25 | <davidgagne> Is it reasonable to support 20+ clients on a modern 8-core server?
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| 17:25 | <epsas> yes
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| 17:25 | <LTSP> Ok ive done that but, how does one configure the LTSP to authenticate the clients through GDM using the openLDAP?
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| 17:25 | <zamba> i guess that should be more than enough
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| 17:25 | LTSP: thin clients don't use GDM
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| 17:25 | LTSP: they authenticate over ssh
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| 17:26 | <LTSP> Ah, so the GuI at login is ssh?
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| 17:27 | <zamba> the display manager to handle logins is ldm
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| 17:27 | http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#ldm
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| 17:27 | <LTSP> thank you very much
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| 17:27 | <zamba> no problem
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| 17:29 | <LTSP> So how do you point the ssh to authenticate to the openLDAP?
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| 17:29 | <zamba> that is done at the server
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| 17:30 | and you don't "point" it..
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| 17:30 | it's the ldap client that asks the ldap server
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| 17:30 | check out /etc/nsswitch.conf
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| 17:31 | that tells the system where to find the specific authentication locations (or what we ought to call it)
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| 17:32 | nsswitch.conf basically includes the ldap response to the other, local authentication files
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| 17:32 | /methods
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| 17:32 | then you have /etc/pam.d/sshd
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| 17:32 | http://www.jukie.net/~bart/ldap/ldap-authentication-on-debian/
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| 17:34 | <LTSP> thank you again, that helps so much you don't even know... the wiki really didn't get me anywhere...
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| 17:35 | <zamba> the basic idea is that you shouldn't really do anything on the thin client.. once you realize the abstraction, you've come a long way
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| 17:36 | and especially the fact that it uses ssh to authenticate
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| 17:37 | and when you think about it, it really simplifies stuff
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| 17:37 | <LTSP> it does, thanks again. Ill probably be back though....
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: http://bugs.debian.org/543423
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| 18:53 | <Lns> http://cetpa-k12.org/dbfiles/1_CETPA_Summer09_Final.pdf - many good articles re: green computing in school, even an article I've read so far regarding Linux :) Good reading!
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| 19:24 | <sbalneav> Anyone in here know debian packaging?
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| 19:41 | <nejode> Can I install some apps on the server and update the image so that the clients can use those apps?
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| 19:43 | <sbalneav> Are you planning on running these apps as local apps? i.e. run them locally on the thin client?
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| 19:44 | <nejode> sbalneav: I would like to install them on the server, the clients are diskless
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| 19:45 | Can I just install the apps and remake or update the image on the server
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| 19:46 | <sbalneav> If you just want the apps, you don't even need to update the image.
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| 19:46 | <zamba> sbalneav: are you the main developer of sabayon?
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| 19:46 | or maintainer or whatever
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| 19:47 | sbalneav: i'd like to report a few bugs :)
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| 19:47 | <sbalneav> zamba: No, but I'm working on fixing sabay,
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| 19:47 | <zamba> aha, ok
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| 19:47 | <sbalneav> have you tried the version in my ppa?
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| 19:47 | <zamba> that's the one i've been using
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| 19:47 | <sbalneav> 0ubuntu5~ppa5?
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| 19:47 | <zamba> yes
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> ok ,what's the bug?
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| 19:48 | <zamba> ii sabayon 2.27.91-0ubuntu5~ppa5 system administration tool to manage GNOME
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| 19:48 | <nejode> sbalneav: thanks!
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| 19:49 | <zamba> well.. when i add icons to the user's desktop it gets added with the correct icon and i am also able to launch the application from the same place.. but when i revisit the editor and when i actually apply this policy on a live user, the shortcuts are replaced with a text preview icon and the visible .desktop ext..
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| 19:49 | and i'm then unable to launch it
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| 19:50 | <sbalneav> How are you adding the icon?
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| 19:50 | <zamba> going to the menu (applications) and then right clicking on the shortcut i want
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| 19:50 | and "add to desktop"
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| 19:50 | <sbalneav> ok.
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| 19:51 | Hold on, I'll try that here.
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| 19:51 | <zamba> one sec.. screenshot
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| 19:52 | http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8650/screenshoteditingprofil.png
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| 19:52 | there you see
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| 19:52 | i just added ekiga now
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| 19:52 | <sbalneav> Can you cd to the users Desktop directory?
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| 19:53 | <zamba> yup
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| 19:53 | btw. arrow keys don't work either
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| 19:53 | inside the editor
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| 19:53 | i'm not sure that's a feature or not, but
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| 19:54 | hm.. basically lots of keys that don't work
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| 19:54 | at least not the way one expect them to
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| 19:55 | <sbalneav> Well, when I re-edit, I'm getting the icon back.
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| 19:56 | <zamba> huh..?
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| 19:56 | <sbalneav> hold on, I'll try an apply
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| 19:56 | <zamba> i'll create a totally fresh edit
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| 19:57 | nope, it's gone
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| 19:57 | now the only thing i did was adding the shortcut and then saving and quitting
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| 19:58 | <sbalneav> OK, apply has the problem for me.
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| 19:59 | Has to do with the fact that the profiles are stored as zips
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| 19:59 | so the mode doesn't get saved.
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| 19:59 | .desktop files need to be 755
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| 19:59 | <zamba> why zips instead tarballs?
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| 19:59 | instead of*
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| 20:00 | <sbalneav> Not sure.
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| 20:02 | <sbalneav> No, that's not it.
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| 20:02 | <zamba> so how can i set the permissions manually?
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| 20:02 | where's the zip file(s) located?
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| 20:02 | <sbalneav> It isn't marked as "Trusted", whatever that means.
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| 20:03 | So there's probably some gconf tweak somewhere that needs to be applied.
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| 20:03 | As for the keys, entirely possible.
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| 20:04 | <sbalneav> Ah, "mark as trusted" makes the file executable :)
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| 20:05 | <zamba> wow, i just realized having a female sounding nick name in a tech channel will get you queues of people willing to help.. generally also trying to outdo each other :)
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| 20:05 | (not referring to myself - even though "zamba" could be interpreted both ways)
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| 20:13 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 20:13 | # It sucks that we lose file permissions, mtime etc. with ZIP
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| 20:13 | file (dest_path, "w").write (zip.read (f))
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| 20:13 | there is some metadata saved.
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| 20:14 | Maybe I can add file permissions to the metadata to be used when unpacking.
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| 20:17 | yeah, that's definitely a problem that at least mode metadata isn't stored.
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| 20:17 | I'll have to fix that somehow.
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| 21:12 | OK
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| 21:12 | I've got it SAVING the mode metadata now :)
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| 21:12 | Now I just have to restore it on extract :)
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| 22:23 | <chuk> can anyone help me with an issue I am having booting a fat client with LTSP?
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| 22:24 | I installed ubuntu 9.04 server and installed ltsp-server-standalone
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| 22:25 | I then followed nubae's instructions on setting up a fat client
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| 22:25 | I can boot my clients, but when I go to login, I get an error that says "Users $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default
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| 22:25 | session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user
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| 22:25 | and have 644 permissions. Users $HOME directory must be owned by user
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| 22:25 | and not writable by others."
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| 22:34 | <sbalneav> Best bet would be to keep an eye on when nubae's around
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| 22:35 | !seen nubae
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| 22:35 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: nubae was last seen in #ltsp 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <nubae> comes up as a menu option :-)
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| 22:35 | <sbalneav> He was here earlier today.
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| 22:36 | <chuk> thanks, I'll keep my eyes open
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| 23:11 | <sbalneav> zamba: Still about?
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| 23:33 | <sbalneav> zamba: In case you're interested, when you get back, try 0ubuntu6 in my ppa. I've implemented file modes in sabayon
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| 23:35 | <johnny> sbalneav, any plans to move away from the zip format to something that will support symlinks?
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| 23:35 | i wonder if we should start just using rsync and skip the balls altogether
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| 23:35 | zip doesn't support xattrs, symlinks, etc.
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| 23:49 | <sbalneav> Nope
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| 23:50 | I have no plans at this point. The way sabayon stores the data would necessitate a python class that allows dynamic building of tar files.
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| 23:51 | <johnny> or we could just use rsync.. :)
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| 23:51 | <sbalneav> Knock yourself out :)
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| 23:52 | <johnny> it actually needs discussion first tho
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| 23:52 | from the associated stakeholders
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| 23:52 | that would be a huge change
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| 23:52 | <sbalneav> And those would be? :)
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| 23:52 | <johnny> well federico, sayamindu, and many of the folks who've stuck around on the list after all this time
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| 23:53 | <sbalneav> federico and umadu are (by their own admission) just caretaking the package.
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| 23:53 | <johnny> well.. then just the other folks on the list then
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| 23:53 | people who actually admin in bigger environments
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| 23:53 | people who aren't me :)
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| 23:53 | <sbalneav> And I'm not at the point yet where I'd be capable of a wholesale rewrite like that.
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| 23:53 | <johnny> since i just use 4 computers
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| 23:53 | <dalik> Hello, I have been trying to find some information on how ltsp in regards to adding and changing settings on the client image. I am using ubuntu 8.04. I am trying to understand the basics and not able to find information so I came her direct. Do I need to chroot into /opt/ltsp/arch then install the app here and also on the server? Or just on the server then ltsp-update-image?
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| 23:53 | <johnny> do you plan on using sabayon at legal aid?
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| 23:54 | on the server .. no need to update-image
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| 23:54 | for most things anyways..
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| 23:54 | <sbalneav> Yep, eventually. And there's no reason why everything couldn;t be done within the zip file. Metadata's written, and we could store/recreate symlinks.
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| 23:54 | <johnny> if you need .. say nvidia drivers.. or things that happen before login like that, then yes you must go into chroot
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| 23:54 | and then update image
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| 23:54 | <dalik> thanks
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| 23:55 | last question
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| 23:55 | <sbalneav> !docs
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| 23:55 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 23:55 | <dalik> what does the chroot really do/provide?
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| 23:55 | <johnny> get people to be able to login
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| 23:55 | <sbalneav> dalik: There's a complete description of LTSP theory in the upstream docs
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| 23:55 | <johnny> the stuff that happens local, before they go remote
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| 23:56 | sbalneav, i should read the docs myself.. it's been quite some time.. before the extensive effort that happened months ago
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| 23:56 | <dalik> checking it out now.
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| 23:56 | <johnny> i had already gotten everything figured out by then, but i should see the language chosen
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| 23:56 | <dalik> always good to get a direct answer from a human
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| 23:56 | <johnny> sure.. but humans can only answer so many questions that distract them from working on things :)
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| 23:57 | <johnny> sbalneav, and you'd want to store the xattr too? or selinux metadata too?
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| 23:57 | <sbalneav> See "How LTSP works" , "Boot process of a thin client", etc.
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| 23:57 | <dalik> you are correct.
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| 23:57 | <sbalneav> johnny: dude, you're WAY ahead of yourself.
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| 23:57 | <johnny> ultimately we'd really need some sort of version control system that stored a bit more info than the current crop
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| 23:57 | sbalneav, only because people don't really use xattr yet.. :)
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| 23:57 | <sbalneav> I *just* *got* *file* *modes* *working* *tonight*.
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| 23:57 | <johnny> if they did.. it would have already had to be done :)
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| 23:58 | <sbalneav> I still don't understand the codebase fully.
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| 23:58 | <johnny> sbalneav, it's not that i'm expecting things to be done now or anything
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| 23:58 | <dalik> any plans on freeNX intergration of sorts?
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| 23:58 | <johnny> dalik, not really.. perhaps later.. when google's free nx is actually maintained for awhile..
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| 23:59 | <sbalneav> I'm tired, heading off to bed.
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| 23:59 | <dalik> fair enough.
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| 23:59 | <johnny> oops.. battery says.. bye bye
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| 23:59 | brb
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