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Channel log from 21 August 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<Beer30>
I had a feeling it was pulling it in because I didn't delete the prebuilt packages... so this time around I deleted the libtool-2.2.4 package and it just now crashed with:
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!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-devel/libtool-2.2.4" have been masked.
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<ltspbot>
Beer30: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
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<Beer30>
All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=sys-devel/libtool-2.2.4" have been masked.
00:03
...ugh. I think it is probably because I unmaksed pulseaudio-0.9.15-r51.... so disregard for now until I can rebuild it at work tomorrow. tired.... so very tired; can't think. g'nite all.
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01:34* alkisg updated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS (put needed kernel parameters)
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<alkisg>
nubae: hi! Just wondering... If I put the fati386 chroot to a different partition, could I boot the server with it? (so that teachers would be able to customize it by using a GUI)
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01:48
<alkisg>
stgraber: ping?
02:21
<nubae>
hmmm, I suppose
02:21
never tried
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<Adem>
Hi. I'm computer engineering student and i'm start to using Linux 1 months ago. I must start dhcp deamon, but i can't start. Because i can't configuration dhcpd.conf file. Is someone help me?
02:46
<alkisg>
Adem: what distro/version are you using?
02:46
<Adem>
Pardus 2009
02:47
<alkisg>
Never seen that one. Anyway, can you upload your dhcpd.conf to http://pastebot.ltsp.org ?
02:47
<Adem>
Ok. I'm uploading now.
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<ltsppbot>
"Adem" pasted "dhcpd.conf file" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/483
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<Adem>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/483
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<alkisg>
Adem: also, run this command in a terminal, and upload it's output again to pastebot: ifconfig -a
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<Adem>
okay
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<ltsppbot>
"Adem" pasted "ifconfig -a output" (27 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/484
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<Adem>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/484
02:54
<alkisg>
Adem: you have 2 nics, one of them has ip=192.168.33.16, and the other one doesn't have an IP.
02:54
Where are your ltsp clients connected? In eth0?
02:55
<Adem>
Yes, i'm trying on eth0
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<alkisg>
So, instead of modifying dhcpd.conf, you could just set your eth0 ip.
02:56
Is there an /etc/network/interfaces file in pardus?
02:57
<Adem>
No, net_tools, ppp and wireless_tools files only
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<alkisg>
Adem: you should find a way to set your eth0 to use IP=10.0.0.1
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Google for that, I have no idea how to do it on pardus.
02:59
<Adem>
Thank you for interests alkisg. I am searching now
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<alkisg>
Google for something like "pardus set static ip"
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<Adem>
Thank you, if i found answer, i will write you. Thank you.
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06:22
<stgraber>
alkisg: pong
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<alkisg>
stgraber: hey man
06:23
Sorry if I sent to many messages :)
06:23
I just sent another one about making ica-launcher send the ltsp client hostname instead of the server hostname
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But in order for this to _always_ work (and not only on the default setup) the ltsp scripts should expose the hostname in an environment parameter or in an xprop
06:24
<stgraber>
alkisg: something like $LTSP_CLIENT you mean ?
06:25
<alkisg>
Yes
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But LTSP_CLIENT only has the IP, not the client hostname
06:25
<stgraber>
indeed
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<alkisg>
Now in italc I'm seeing all clients as "servername" - not really useful as it is
06:26
<stgraber>
right, I usually change that for the username instead
06:27
<alkisg>
You mean from the italc GUI? That only changes the second column, not the first one, which remains "servername"
06:29
<stgraber>
http://paste.ubuntu.com/256850/
06:29
that will help once it's in Ubuntu
06:29
<alkisg>
Perfect
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and a line in ica-launcher, and then upload it to ppa :)
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You're great!
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Thanks a lot man
06:30
<ogra>
stgraber, what will you gain from that ?
06:30
hostname isnt set
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well, set to "ltsp" everywhere
06:31
<alkisg>
ogra: no, that's been changed to "ltsp1234"
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I've sent a patch for that last year
06:31
<stgraber>
ogra: that has been changed recently
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<ogra>
hrm
06:31
<stgraber>
well, like 6 months ago, not sure you can call that recent :)
06:32
<alkisg>
It's calculated based on the subnet netmask, i.e. from ltsp1 to ltsp#max-clients-that-the-subnet-mask-allows
06:32
<ogra>
how does that work if you hand out hostnames via dhcp or if you want to run a properly configured local DNS ?
06:32
<alkisg>
So for 255.255.255.0 => ltsp1 to ltsp255
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<ogra>
has that been tested properly in both cases ?
06:33
<alkisg>
But for 255.0.0.0 => some millions
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<stgraber>
I hope we use the DHCP hostname if there is one and use that generate hostname as fallback
06:33
<alkisg>
Me and vagrantc had tested it, seems ok...
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<ogra>
we omitted all the DNS stuff for years because there are so many special cases you can run to
06:33
i was alwas reluctant to do that change unless we can be sure all of them are covered
06:33
<alkisg>
The client hostname isn't really used anywhere in the default case, is it? It's just as a convenience for the teacher...
06:34
<ogra>
remote syslog
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<stgraber>
anyway, got to go to the office now, I pushed that hostname change + a bugfix.
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<alkisg>
thanks stgraber
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<ogra>
if you set up a DNS that hands out names that differ your syslog will hang infinitive
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<alkisg>
names sent by dhcp take precedence over the ltspXXX ones
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So if someone has set up a dns, he shouldn't even be seeing ltspXXX...
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<ogra>
ye, but was it tested with a set up DNS at all
06:36
its a common case if you dont have a separate TC network to add the clients to DNS
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<alkisg>
Ah. I think so, but I'm not 100% percent sure
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I think the code checks to see if the hostname is set before defaulting to ltspXXX
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<ogra>
thats why i was opposed to make that change, we had it in very early versions
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and had a lot of complaints back then
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<alkisg>
It's been upstream for some time now, I didn't hear any complains...
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btw, another patch has also been applied, which sets the ltspXXX name based on the *mac* address instead of the ip address
06:37
<ogra>
likely because the dapper users still didnt upgrade :P
06:37
<alkisg>
Heh :)
06:37
You're probably right on that! :D
06:38
<ogra>
well, i dont think it does matter what you put *in* the name (MAC, IP, random UUID, timestamp) as long as overriding it works from the services that usually can override it
06:39
<alkisg>
Yeah I think this works as planned
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<ogra>
dhcp is one, DNS is the other
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<alkisg>
Hmmm dns
06:39
?
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I know dhcp can ask all the dns names while initializing, but dns itself, how?
06:40
<ogra>
right, dhcp can aks DNS names and set your hostname according to the answer
06:40
thats what i'm referring to
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<alkisg>
OK, I think we tested that.
06:40
I think it also works correctly when passing hostname as a kernel parameter
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(ip=X:X:X:X:hostname:X)
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<ogra>
i'm *not* talking about setting the hostname from dhcpd.conf
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<alkisg>
I get it
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Let me find the dhcp directive for that dns thing...
06:41
<ogra>
just check if its properly overridden
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else you will get massive probs with remote syslogging
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silly syslog ...
06:43
<alkisg>
We're talking about `get-lease-hostnames true`, right?
06:43
<ogra>
i think so
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<alkisg>
OK, I think we checked that.
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<ogra>
you think or you know ? :)
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<alkisg>
:-*
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Ooops
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Wrong emoticon
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<alkisg>
:-X (that was the one I was looking for)
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07:32
<maginot>
I tryed updating openoffice with the deb package from openoffice site, after removing the ubuntu built in openoffice and installing from last version (no errors) when someone opens a document it closes... this can be related to ltsp ?
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07:57
<zamba>
johnny: sabayon not working
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links placed on the desktop are not recognized by the clients
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they have the .desktop extention, but the client doesn't know what to do with it
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08:37
<coordinador_zzz>
hi
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08:43
<sbalneav>
Hello
08:43
<ogra>
morning sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
Hey ogra!
08:44
Oooooh, I think we have a winner with sabayon
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<ogra>
cool !
08:44
<sbalneav>
both lns and dgroos tried my 0ubuntu4 packages yesterday, I think I killed the crasher bugs in paneldelegate.py
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<ogra>
sbalneav, if you have something to upload to karmic, let me know
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<sbalneav>
highvoltage and I are discussing it now
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So, what's in my PPA might be good, whats the process
08:49
<ogra>
sabayon is in main
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
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11:36
<knipwim>
Beer30: i saw you needed ccache to work in the ltsp-build-client script?
11:36
still do?
11:36
<Beer30>
yes
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<knipwim>
you know where to find the profile.qs file?
11:36
<Beer30>
yup
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<knipwim>
just add CCACHE="true"
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somewhere before the ccache part
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i still have to make a config option
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<Beer30>
ok. that is what I did late last night, but wasn't sure if there was a command-line option to turn it on.
11:37
gotcha
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<Beer30>
I'm starting over from scratch because I think my system was tainted due to trying to rebuild ltsp so many times. So, hopefully, it'll all go smoothly this time. I'll let you and johnny know if I run into anything.
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<knipwim>
much appriciated
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<Beer30>
all thanks you.... and johnny... and dberkholtz ;)
11:45
btw, now that we can build the chroot again, how well do clients the work?
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<johnny>
decent.. altho we might need to add a few more things to the bindmounts
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<Beer30>
sweet
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<johnny>
last time i checked anyways..
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<Beer30>
hopefully I can get to that point sometime today...
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<Coordinador>
hi
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<sbalneav>
Hello
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:53
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
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<knipwim>
is the $BASE from ltsp-build-client --base available to all distros in the plugin dir?
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<ogra>
yes
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like $ROOT
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or $ARCH
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best is to look through the plugins in the common/ dir
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that should definately have all shared vars that are used
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<knipwim>
would it be a good idea to change the 035-update-kernels plugin, used in some of the distros
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to call for /usr/sbin/ltsp-update-kernels --basedir ${BASE} ?
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otherwise you need to repeat that step after installing, if you have a different base
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<alkisg>
What do I have to restart when I modify /etc/exports for nfs? (ubuntu) sudo invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart ?
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'cause that doesn't seem to work for me...
13:33* alkisg reboots :-/
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<knipwim>
alkisg: restart nfs would suffice
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and i remember there was a command to reload /etc/exports
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<alkisg>
I don't have "nfs"... there's only nfs-server-kernel and nfs-common, and both fail to load if I change exports & restart
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<knipwim>
exportfs -r
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<alkisg>
Thanks!
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13:41* alkisg just netbooted (via nfs) a desktop PC using his Karmic partition from his laptop! Remote booting is easy after all! :)
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<alkisg>
...now to make that work for 12 PCs simultaneously... :D
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ping
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15:49
<knipwim>
johnny: i updated ltsp on the gentoo wiki
15:50
no more unionfs
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<Beer30>
woohoo!!
15:50
<knipwim>
plus i got the source in guidexml
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<Beer30>
double woohoo!!
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<johnny>
knipwim, my glasses are dead atm.. i can't really look at screen for too long
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gonna glue the pieces together until my eye exam happens
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been a few years since i got one
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<nubae>
greets johnny
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johnny, which xmpp client was it u were using?
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<johnny>
gajim
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pidgin 2.6.0 is looking much more like a respectable im client these days tho
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it supports service discovery now
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and now has voice and video
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16:10* Gadi wonders what use video is to a man with broken glasses
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<nubae>
yeah... have u seen synapse? that one is pretty cool
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<nubae>
well, at least has the most XEPs in it, though totally not working completely...
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quite buggy... but its a nice sign of things to come
16:12
<erieslabnx>
I know this is off topic but is there anyone who can help me with a Sabayon question here?
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<nubae>
I also like the share your desktop option in empathy... sadly missing from pidgin
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<erieslabnx>
I wanna edit user profiles from my laptop at home, rather than sitting at work all day doing it... Can I copy a config file or something and do the same thing or no?
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<nubae>
still, I've been asked to evaluate the best xmpp client for use in schools (for my job)
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I like cocinnella cause it does the shared whiteboard
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<erieslabnx>
nubae can you do custom branding on cocinnella?
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<nubae>
well its OS so I'd imagine so
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its coded in TK, so pretty easy to hack
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<erieslabnx>
ok sorry for the interruption :)
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<nubae>
erieslabnx, someone created something new like sabayon
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called custard
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seems like a possible replacement based on xnestting too
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<erieslabnx>
will look it up now :) is it as advanced as sabayon or still an infant?
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<Beer30>
http://http://custard.sourceforge.net/ fyi ;)
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<erieslabnx>
brand new :)
16:18
like 3 days
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you guys are quick here
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<johnny>
nubae, whiteboard exists
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in gajim branch that is
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i gotta run to pick up some epoxy..bbiab
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<nubae>
well, just read the mailing lists :-)
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<erieslabnx>
thanks guys off to play with custard, have fun
16:24
thank you nubae
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and beer30 thank you too
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<Beer30>
np
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<johnny>
well.. this is sad that custard exists
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instead of working on sabayon
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
johnny: i don't think it's sad it exists
18:01
it does something sabayon doesn't do for one
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it uses the dot files for configuration of many apps
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<johnny>
sure.. but shouldn't it be part of sabayon then/
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instead of another choice for users
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and split development work
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etc
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<Ahmuck-Sr>
look at linux, we have mplayer, kaffiene, etc.
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it's split development, but talking with sbalneav sabayon doesn't have this option and it's klunky to get around in
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linux has always been about split development. someone saw a need and developed something for it
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bbl
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it also pushes one app to do better, compeitition
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<johnny>
Ahmuck, sure.. but those are media players..
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<Beer30>
johnny & knipwim: ltsp-build-client worked perfectly!
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<johnny>
sweet
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my glasses are sorta fixed for now.. until i get another pair
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just waiting for the epoxy to harden a bit..
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<Beer30>
sweet
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<chupacabra>
anybody know where Jim is?
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<alkisg>
Good morning
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<vagrantc>
chupacabra: probably michigan
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<chupacabra>
lol.
23:43
You know the name of that SAMBA guy that is a friend of LTSP and lives in Austin or somewhere in texas?
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<chupacabra>
I cant pull his name off the tip of my tongue.
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I think he worked at novell for a while too.
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<chupacabra>
we are having a linux fest here and I am wanting to find him and see if LTSP wants to come.
23:45
find him and also see if LTSP wants to come
23:46
Jim likes coming here.