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Channel log from 21 October 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<aks_>
Hello everyone, I just download K12Linux F9 Release Candidate 1 iso image file which is 916.6 MB
03:18
the mime type is application/x-cd-image
03:18
i'm unable to figure out how to burn 916.6 MB on a CD, which is 703 MB of size
03:18
any solutions?
03:21
hello
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<Q-FUNK>
odd size indeed
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<samt_>
Hey can anyone tell me if there away to detect if your on the Thin client or server in a bash script
06:46
<highvoltage>
on the client, you mean, when running things from the chroot?
06:46
or from the X session on the client?
06:48
<samt_>
X session, I have been using localapps on ubuntu 8.10 (works well) to run firefox and flash I just want to create a menu item
06:50
<ogra>
samt_, ldm sets LTSP_CLIENT and exports it on login, just look for that variable
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<samt_>
Ahhhh Ok I'll have a try
06:52
Thanks for your help
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<ace_suares>
!seen ogra
07:54
<ltspbot>
ace_suares: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <ogra> samt_, ldm sets LTSP_CLIENT and exports it on login, just look for that variable
07:54
<ace_suares>
hi all long time no see
07:55
Just a quick question, I have a hardy64bit ltsp server and a hardy32bit, on the 64 bit my thin client ( a thin can dbe61) works fine.
07:56
But on the 32 bit, the screen stays black. Also, the 32bit console shows ubuntu spalsh, but the thin client shows kubuntu splash. What am I missing here ?
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<Blinny>
After a few cups packages update on October 16th my thin clients are no longer accepting jobs.
08:09
Port 9100 on these clients is unavailable even though the host is up
08:13
When I start and stop the printer using the cups interface, I receive the message "recoverable: Network host 'ws0-005' is busy; will retry in XXX seconds.." where XXX goes up from 5 to 10 to ...
08:13
This is on Hardy Heron fully updated - again, printers not attached to thin clients have no problems.
08:23
The two problematic printers in question are the only ones that have the address socket://ws0-005:9100 -- The working printers have something like "hp:/net/HP_LaserJet_5P?ip=192.168.168.35"
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<Blinny>
I tried changing the device URI to (similar to the JetDirect printers) "hp:/net/HP_OfficeJet_4100?ip=192.168.0.5" but I received this in the debug log: "prnt/backend/hp.c 496: unable to connect hpssd socket 2207: Connection refused"
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<pscheie>
ogra, ping
08:38
<ogra>
pscheie, pong, i'm in massive release preparation and testing atm so dont have much time for ltsp
08:38
<pscheie>
just a quick yes/no question:
08:38
<stgraber>
ogra: btw, TB in 20min (if I'm not wrong with my timezones)
08:38
<ogra>
stgraber, i'll be there :)
08:39
<pscheie>
did I see/hear that you're working on enabling customization of the client login screen?
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<ogra>
pscheie, i'm rewriting the gui to be more themeable
08:39
but that will still take some time
08:39
<pscheie>
cool! tx
08:39
<ogra>
i want all items to be freely placeable without influenceing each other
08:40
and i design it in a way that makes it easy to replace items with new ones ... i.e. add an analogue clock instead of the digital one etc if you add one extra function for it
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<pscheie>
is this just for the login screen, or for after the user logs in, too?
08:42
oh, I see, if you wanted to put a clock on the login screen
08:42
<ogra>
right
08:43
its only the greeter ui i rewrite
08:43
i wont touch any other bits of ldm yet
08:43
<pscheie>
that's all I'm interested in ATM
08:43
<ogra>
so the functionallity will stay exactly the same you are just able to tinker with the themes more easily
08:44
<pscheie>
sounds great!
08:44
<ogra>
i.e. put your logo where you want and size wont matter anymore, put clock, hostname or inputbox in freely chooseable places
08:44
etc etc
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<pscheie>
how do you envision the admin would configure that? some sort of config file? text based?
08:45
<ogra>
a text based theme file setting variables, it will be in the themes
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<ogra>
so it will have to be shipped with the theme you want
08:47
but i'm hardcoding defaults that will be used if you dont supply that file
08:47
so it looks like the current one by default
08:47
<pscheie>
right, but it sounds likes it would be easy to drop in a different theme file
08:47
<ogra>
right
08:48
<pscheie>
meaning people could create custom theme files and share them
08:48
<ogra>
well, it is already, but you have to regard the size constraints and fixed positions
08:48
<pscheie>
greater community participation
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<ogra>
they can already :)
08:48
but there are to many restrictions
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:49
<cliebow>
Scottie!!
08:49
<ogra>
!s
08:49
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:50
<pscheie>
ogra, what/where is the theme file?
08:50
<sbalneav>
Hey Hey!
08:51
So, I've been running the > < /dev/null patches for a day now on one of my smaller servers.
08:51
<ogra>
pscheie, /usr/share/ldm/themes
08:51
pscheie, ubuntu ships 5 themes, debian three afaik
08:51
opensuse has one they ship, no idea about fedora
08:52
<sbalneav>
Apart from one bonobo-activation server, everything's cleaned out perfectly. No gconfd's, no panels, no nothing.
08:52
So, I'm going to try it tonight on one of my big (45+ users) servers, and we'll see how it goes.
08:53
If it's A-OK, I'll get a patch set to you by thursday ogra
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<ogra>
sbalneav, feel free (with the limitations i mentioned before, i'm to busy the next 9 days for SRUs)
08:55
<sbalneav>
Not a problem.
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<stgraber>
ogra: "Building Thin Client system", so far no problem with the install
09:25
<ogra>
\o/
09:26* ogra watches #ubuntu-meeting
09:26
<stgraber>
it's debootstraping the chroot
09:26* stgraber too
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<stgraber>
(and a few KVM doing iso testing)
09:26
<ogra>
Q-FUNK causing a lot of discussion there :P
09:26
<Q-FUNK>
?
09:26
<stgraber>
yeah
09:27
<Q-FUNK>
what? where? when?
09:27
<ogra>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
09:27
<stgraber>
ogra: failed
09:28
<ogra>
argh
09:28
logs ?
09:28
<stgraber>
ogra: Failed to fetch file://cdrom.../Release Unable to find expected entry
09:28
universe/binary
09:28
so that's the universe thing ...
09:28
<ogra>
argh !
09:28
argh, argh, argh !!!
09:29
<Q-FUNK>
ah yes, limitted upload rights
09:29
<stgraber>
yeah, this one must be turned of when installing from the cd-rom
09:29
<ogra>
stgraber, yeah, using the --components switch in BUILD_CLIENT_OPTIONS
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<gate_keeper_>
why in the ubuntu newest versions there's no need to setup lts.conf file ..
09:32
<sbalneav>
gate_keeper_: Because most things are auto-detected now
09:34
<johnny>
sbalneav, i had an idea
09:34
<ogra>
and thats not restricted to the newest version :)
09:34
johnny, OMG, really ?
09:35
<johnny>
lts.conf variables that let you point different clients to different nfs roots or nbd images
09:35
it will work in ubuntu and debian.. but not gentoo and fedora yet..
09:36
<gate_keeper_>
anyways i'm having problems with the X server on ltsp, it's causing huge lo traffic on X11 ports
09:36
TCP; lo; 116 bytes; from 127.0.0.1:6015 to 127.0.0.1:32880; first packet
09:36
TCP; lo; 52 bytes; from 127.0.0.1:32925 to 127.0.0.1:6047; first packet
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etc..
09:36
that's causing to slow down the whole system (application etc..)
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<sbalneav>
Where's the loopback traffic? On the server?
09:40
<gate_keeper_>
yup
09:40
<sbalneav>
and TCP traffic on loopback shouldn't slow anything down.
09:40
<gate_keeper_>
for 34 users
09:40
<sbalneav>
What programs are generating the traffic?
09:40
<gate_keeper_>
after turning on the server for couple of minutes the traffic goes to 100Mbits
09:41
everything is working fine for short time
09:42
<sbalneav>
Well, you need to identify what programs are generating the traffic.
09:42
<gate_keeper_>
the users commonly use firefox, openoffice and skype ..
09:42
<ogra>
if you say "newest" does that mean you are testing ubuntu 8.10 ?
09:42
<gate_keeper_>
sure
09:43
still 8.04.1
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<gate_keeper_>
maybe i'll switch to 8.10
09:43
i'll see
09:43
<Guevara>
hi
09:44
anyboby helpme?
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<sbalneav>
Guevara: Ask your question
09:45
<Guevara>
hi sbalneav how i can run virtualbox under ubuntu with ltsp?
09:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
virtualbox? Like VMware?
09:45
<johnny>
yes..
09:45
<sbalneav>
gate_keeper_: Well, first thing you need to do is figure out what traffic's being generated.
09:45
<Guevara>
i install windows on virtualbox
09:45
<johnny>
Guevara, try harder
09:45
what are you trying to do exactly?
09:45
<neW1>
omg
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<neW1>
Guevara, expalin your set up first
09:46
explain*
09:46
<sbalneav>
Guevara: I don't know anything about virtualbox, or if it will run on a thin client environment
09:46
<Guevara>
distribute windows on computers, but the server is ubuntu 8.04 with ltsp
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09:46
<neW1>
Guevara, no
09:46
you can't
09:46
<johnny>
Guevara, it's prolly best to set your SCREEN_07=rdesktop
09:47
<neW1>
the ltsp make his own image
09:47
<johnny>
and then set virtualbox to run the headless rdp option
09:47
<neW1>
of the ubuntu and that image is what users are loading on the thin clinets
09:47
<johnny>
i don't know how to do it, but it should work
09:47
<gate_keeper_>
u have to setup bridged network for the vmware eth interface, dhcp server..
09:47
<johnny>
but you do have to run ltsp-built-client first
09:47
<Guevara>
yes, i see this line rdesktop, but how the client see se virtualbox with windows
09:47
?
09:47
<johnny>
and do the bridging gate_keeper is mentioning
09:48
<Guevara>
i have ubuntu build on the machine, and run perfect on the client
09:48
<gate_keeper_>
sbalneav: thx,
09:48
<Guevara>
but now, i need windows on the clients
09:49
<sbalneav>
Guevara: Do you need all of windows, or are you just trying to get one application working?
09:49
Perhaps your program will work under Wine.
09:49
<gate_keeper_>
u can do windows terminal service if u want windows on the machines
09:49
or simply rdesktop
09:50
<Guevara>
yes., but works under ubuntu ? how configure the lts.conf for reed virtualbox?
09:50
<johnny>
lts.conf is just SCREEN_num=rdesktop
09:51
the rest is ubuntu configuration, to setup the bridged networking as gate_keeper_ mentioned
09:51
<Guevara>
ok johnny, but how the lts.conf find the virtualbox?
09:51
<johnny>
not necessarily related to tls.conf
09:51
Guevara, magic of rdp i guess? lol
09:51
<Guevara>
ok
09:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
!pastebot
09:51
<johnny>
i don't really know
09:51
<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
09:51
<Guevara>
lol
09:51
<johnny>
i don't and will never use windows for that..
09:52* _UsUrPeR_ nods head
09:52
<sbalneav>
Guevara: virtualbox will not work as an LTSP application. You'll need to either 1) Run your windows server with remote Terminal Services, and use the rdesktop to connect to the windows server, or 2) try to run the program you want under Wine.
09:52
<johnny>
sbalneav, you can run windows in virtualbox and connect to it via ltsp
09:52
<Guevara>
sbalneav: =/ so, i need 2 machines, correct?
09:52
<johnny>
with rdesktop
09:52
<gate_keeper_>
why Virtualbox, Vmware Server is better choice
09:52
<johnny>
virtualbox itself has a native rdp interface
09:53
<Guevara>
i can ou no?
09:53
<johnny>
gate_keeper_, virtualbox is open source!
09:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
I have had great luck with VMware server
09:53
<gate_keeper_>
:))
09:53
<neW1>
i would go with virtualbox 2.0
09:53
<Guevara>
johnny: the conclusion is the virtualbox works on ltsp?
09:54
<sbalneav>
Bowing out of this conversation. Too many cooks working on this broth.
09:54
<johnny>
Guevara, it can if you connect to it remotely with rdp
09:55
but you need to setup the briding
09:55
<Guevara>
just put the line on lts.conf?
09:55
<johnny>
and the bridging on the server
09:55
but that's not at all related to ltsp
09:55
<Guevara>
briding on the virtualbox?
09:55
<ltsppbot>
"_UsUrPeR_" pasted "/ets/hosts file in Ubuntu Hardy" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/60
09:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
can someone take a look at this and tell me why it's not properly assigning a hostname to my ltsp client? This is being run on ubuntu.
09:56
<Blinny>
_UsUrPeR_: What do the logs say?
09:56
<johnny>
_UsUrPeR_, this is why i just use dnsmasq :)
09:56
<Blinny>
dhcpd may need the closing stanza on its own line, but that's just a guess
09:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
Blinny: logs don't really say anything. If it doesn't appear in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog, where would it go? :P
09:57* _UsUrPeR_ looks at dnsmasq
09:58
<ltsppbot>
"neW1" pasted "/etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf example" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/61
09:58
<neW1>
_UsUrPeR_, take a look
09:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
new1: thanks
09:59
<Guevara>
sbalneav: students do not know how to use ubuntu, so windows must be put in the machine, but using VirtualBox in Ubuntu
09:59
<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: You need to make sure get-lease-hostnames is set to true
10:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: where does that go?
10:00
<sbalneav>
Usually in the subnet declaration, but could be global.
10:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
nm, dhcpd.conf :)
10:00
<Guevara>
I would not know how lts.conf line with the screen = rdesktop think the VirtualBox
10:01
<johnny>
Guevara, get virtualbox and rdesktop working first, before making it work with ltsp
10:01
<sbalneav>
Guevara: So, you have a lab, right?
10:01
How many machines
10:01
<Guevara>
I saw the options in VirtualBox network configuration
10:01
yes sbalneav
10:02
20 machines
10:02
<sbalneav>
Ok, so you have 20 windows licenses, right?
10:02
<Guevara>
no
10:02
lol
10:02
<johnny>
then you can't do it :)
10:03
<Guevara>
so I put an image of the windows in VirtualBox
10:03
why not?
10:03
<johnny>
it's illegal
10:03
<sbalneav>
Right, but how many windows licenses do you have?
10:04
<Guevara>
a dont'no
10:04
i think 4 licences
10:04
<neW1>
but man
10:04
you need a windows server for that
10:04
so that more that 1 can work in the same time
10:05
you need a windows terminal server
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<sbalneav>
Right, you haven't got enough windows licenses to be able to do what you want to do.
10:05
<johnny>
or 4 windows XP virtualboxes neW1 :)
10:05
<neW1>
or that
10:05
but there is no point in that
10:05
<johnny>
neW1, there is if the local hardware sucks
10:05
or you don't have a hard drive
10:05
<Guevara>
do not worry about the licenses, the important thing is getting the ltsp work with VirtualBox
10:06
<johnny>
Guevara, first get virtualbox and rdp working with multiple computers
10:06
then come back to us
10:06
<sbalneav>
Guevara: If the issue is "I want windows because the students don't know Linux", then why not just TEACH them Linux, and not have the windows at all?
10:06
<neW1>
we ( gate_keeper_ ) and i have 50 users on a debian in the moment that has a pentium 4 processor and 2 gig's of ram
10:06
<Guevara>
ok johnny
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<Blinny>
I have a problem where printing to thin clients recently stopped working after a cups update. I'm getting network timeouts in the cups debug logs and can't telnet to port 9100 of the thin clients. Printing to HP JetDirect networked printers still works OK.
10:07
<Guevara>
because I am here in Brazil and the people are stupid sbalneav
10:07
<johnny>
Blinny, so jetpipe is running locally ?
10:07
<sbalneav>
Blinny: If you can't telnet to port 9100, then jetpipe isn't working
10:07
<Blinny>
How can I test if jetpipe is running. Chroot and apt-cache policy?
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<sbalneav>
Blinny: Well, simplest would be to set a root password on the chroot, and then log in on one of the thin clients on ctrl-alt-f1
10:08
<Guevara>
in Brazil does not respect the laws and do not leave, I am trying to decrease the amount of windows installed, this method could doportuguês  » inglês  Traduzir
10:08
<Blinny>
already set a root pw so I can do that
10:08
What's the 2nd step if jetpipe isn't running?
10:08
<sbalneav>
Guevara: I know lots of people from Brazil, and I've been down there twice. The people aren't stupid at all.
10:08
<johnny>
try running it :)
10:08
see if stuff works
10:09
after manually starting it
10:09
<Blinny>
(I'm asking b/c the thin clients w/ printers are in another building)
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10:09
<johnny>
well.. that's the next step would be to try to print
10:09
<Blinny>
heh
10:09
<gate_keeper_>
laters..
10:09
<Blinny>
I know that doesn't work (;
10:09
<johnny>
but mostly you need to see if it is erroring out
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<Blinny>
I mean if it _isn't_ running
10:09
<sbalneav>
Blinny: Well, if jetpipe isn't running, then we need to find out why.
10:09
<johnny>
sure.. so go figure out why it isn't starting
10:09
it might give you an error message
10:09
<sbalneav>
We could fire it up right from the command prompt
10:10
<Guevara>
I will try what Johnny said, turning the VirtualBox RDP in order to bridge
10:10
<Blinny>
Looking in client's dmesg maybe?
10:10
<johnny>
Blinny, no.. just type jetpipe
10:10
<Blinny>
Cool. Back in a flash.
10:10
<johnny>
and see if it errors
10:10
<Blinny>
Thanks johnny, sbalneav
10:10
<johnny>
Blinny, one sec!
10:10
<Blinny>
Yah?
10:10
<johnny>
if you want to try to troubleshoot remotely again.. enable ssh in the chroot
10:10
<sbalneav>
Blinny: I think it's jetpipe /dev/lp0 or whatever
10:10
<johnny>
and then reboot the box
10:10
<Blinny>
OK.
10:11
<sbalneav>
hold on, I can check
10:11
<johnny>
yeah. let sbalneav tell you how to run it :)
10:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
neW1: thanks for that snippet. That was exactly what I needed :D
10:11
<Blinny>
sbalneav: This is a usb printer - should be /dev/usb/lp0
10:11
(I think)
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<Blinny>
Unless that's what changed... heh
10:11
<johnny>
Blinny, if udev was decent enough.. the first printer should just be /dev/lp0 no matter what interface
10:11
<ogra>
no
10:11
<johnny>
i'm not sure.. i haven't done a local printer in ages tho
10:12
<ogra>
it should be /dev/usblp0
10:12
for usb printers at leas
10:12
r
10:12
t
10:12
<johnny>
that's ugly
10:13
<ogra>
thats what udev assigns
10:13
<sbalneav>
yeah, jetpipe /dev/usb/lp0 9100
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<sbalneav>
or whatever the device is
10:13
(I don't do local printers either, all mine have network cards in 'em)
10:13
jetpipe <device> 9100
10:14
<Blinny>
Thanks sbalneav
10:14
brb
10:14
<sbalneav>
k
10:14
<Guevara>
thanks everybody
10:14
bye
10:14
<Blinny>
I specify /dev/usb/lp0 in lts.conf
10:14
brb
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10:23
<sbalneav>
I'm happy to help someone out, but I'm not going to help someone use LTSP as a method to break copyright law. If we want companies to give us respect, we have to show them the same respect for their hard work.
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10:24
<Q-FUNK>
agreed
10:24
sbalneav: how's life out west?
10:24
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
hello, what the dhcp file that ltsp5 uses?
10:24
hello, what's the dhcp file that ltsp5 uses?
10:28
<sbalneav>
Q-FUNK: Not too shabby!
10:28
Q-FUNK: How's the job situation?
10:29
gonzaloaf_laptop: Usually, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
10:29
<stgraber>
ogra: ... looks like it will take some more weeks/months/years before I finally get those upload rights ...
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10:29
<ogra>
stgraber, no, looks like you just need to apply for MOTU
10:29
and will get both approved
10:29
lets wait for the mail dscussion
10:30
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: in suspense. I'm supposed to meet someone tomorrow for one possible job. even so, I still think that I'd like to work for Canonical on LTS maintenance issues, since LTS is basically the enterprise release at Ubuntu.
10:30
<devilbues>
hi, I'm having this strange problem with some terminals on ltsp5 ubuntu, when I boot, the initrd gets the wrong network configuration
10:30
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, and ? did you apply for a Cononical job ?
10:30
<devilbues>
can someone help me
10:31
<ogra>
devilbues, make sure there is only one dhcpd in your network
10:31
<stgraber>
ogra: ... well I guess they'll need to change the definition of MOTU then (or at least mine) because IIRC it's Master of the Universe so I think it's a bit weird to get MOTU membership if you don't plan to touch Universe :) I'm still fine to ask for it but I just don't see why under the current definition I'd be approved
10:31
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: applied for the Intel partnership amnager job. no response.
10:31
<ogra>
give it some time ... HR is very busy these times
10:32
<devilbues>
ogra: it is
10:32
only one dhcp server
10:32
<Q-FUNK>
ok. could be. Artec was considering using the Atom chipset and I was the one negotiating that deal, so I'm quite familiar with the requirements.
10:33
<sbalneav>
devilbues: Define "wrong network configuration". Could you give us more information?
10:34
<devilbues>
ogra: I have network 10.0.0.0 and it gives me the network 192.168.1.0
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10:35
<Blinny>
OK so more information. At the console I got all kinds of nbd0 and squashfs errors from the network swapping
10:35
So, I rebooted the client and logged in as root, and jetpipe is now running
10:36
CUPS says 'The printer is now on-line' in the status (Other printers' statuses are blank), but when I print to it either via gedit or a test page, nothing happens
10:36
No errors in the cups debug log though (It used to say 'host is unavailable')
10:36
<sbalneav>
devilbues: Then you need to fix up /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match your network config
10:36
<Blinny>
I can also now telnet to the thin client's port 9100
10:37
<devilbues>
ogra: on the section: "IP-Config: eth0 guessed broadcast 192.168.1.255"
10:38
<sbalneav>
Blinny: You'll probably need to do a cupsenable to kickstart the printer and clear out the job queue
10:38
<devilbues>
ogra: it gets the correct ip on pxe boot, but gives-me this error before loading X
10:38
"IP-Config: eth0 guessed broadcast 192.168.1.255"
10:38
<Blinny>
sbalneav: Yah I've turned it on and off a couple of times using localhost:631
10:38
<devilbues>
on ltsp4 I don't have this problem
10:38
<ogra>
devilbues, something that only happens if you have two dhcp servers usually
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<Blinny>
How can I get information about the local hand-off process from cups to jetpipe?
10:39
(I've logged into the client now)
10:40
Status is now "Print file sent, waiting for printer to finish..." but no sound or blinkinlights from the printer.
10:41
<devilbues>
ogra: this never happens on ltsp4, I don't have 2 dhcp servers
10:41
it's driving me crazy
10:41
<Blinny>
I even echoed fun to /dev/usb/lp0 but get 'Device or resource is busy'
10:41
<ogra>
again, it is /dev/usblp0
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10:42* ogra goes back to release preparation
10:42
<Blinny>
ogra: So I should put _that_ in lts.conf?
10:43
<sbalneav>
workping, back later
10:43
<Blinny>
On my thin client /dev/usblp0 is a symbolic link to /dev/usb/lp0
10:46
<devilbues>
ogra: you were right, sorry for my stupidity
10:46
ogra: there's a router somewhere with dhcp on
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10:56
<Blinny>
OK I can see the printer being connected/disconnected in dmesg when unplugging and plugging in the usb cable to the thin client
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10:57
<Blinny>
But now jetpipe has crashed or isn't running any more
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<ogra>
Blinny, jetpipe is supposed to shut down if the isnt there
11:09
it need to be there on boot
11:09
*needs
11:09
*if the device isnt
11:10
also socket:// is IPP exclusively
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11:12
<Blinny>
Thanks ogra. Thin clients use IPP don't they?
11:13
<ogra>
right ... thats why they say JetDirect ....
11:13
tsk :9
11:13
<Blinny>
Internet Printing Protocol I'm guessing
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<ogra>
Blinny, in case you didnt get the irony ... no they dont use or support IPP
11:13
<Blinny>
So how have they worked for 6 months?
11:14
Or did the cups update change those things
11:15
<ogra>
https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys
11:16
thats the update, nothing seems to have touched jetdirect at all
11:16
<Blinny>
when I set up a new printer, using system-config-printer and add an HP JetDirect printer using the thin client's address it uses socket://
11:16
<ogra>
well, whatever it uses, the thing it takes for jetdirect from the gui is the right thing
11:17
<Blinny>
OK
11:17
I'm thinking my problem is further down the line. When I "echo fun > /dev/usblp0" nothing happens
11:17
<ogra>
that sounds like a prob with your printer
11:17
<Blinny>
Yah
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<jammcq>
hello friends
11:17
<Blinny>
Just strange that it happened to two thin clients simultaneously
11:17
Hi jammcq
11:18
<jammcq>
hey
11:18
<cliebow>
jammcq:hope it was ok to add a participant
11:18
<Blinny>
ogra: I'll begin working on the other thin client with a local printer; perhaps I can find something more from working at that one.
11:18
ogra: I know you're busy. Thanks for the help.
11:18
<ogra>
works fine here btw
11:18
<jammcq>
cliebow: absolutely
11:18
<ogra>
with a deskjet 3320
11:19
<cliebow>
sysadmin from collegeoftheatlantic..i forwarded his msg to you
11:19
<Blinny>
OK
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<moldy>
hi
11:23
what do i need to do again to be able to change my password from a thin client on ubuntu?
11:23
it was something with that policy-kit stuff, right?
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11:27
<johnny>
moldy, there should be an option under administration
11:28
it happens to use policy-kit.. but you don't need to know anything about that
11:28
afaik
11:28
the user should be able to change own password..
11:28
<moldy>
johnny: the thing is: it does not work remote
11:28
<johnny>
otherwise.. just open up a terminal and type passwd :)
11:28
<moldy>
johnny: *i* could do that, but it's quite hard for my users
11:29
<johnny>
my users don't have accessible passwords.. it's all ssh keys for autologin.. so i'm not sure about that
11:29
so.. moldy if they were logged in on the server directly it would work?
11:29
<moldy>
yes
11:29
but via ssh from a thin client, it silently fails
11:29
i.e. the password is simply not updated
11:29
<johnny>
not sure then.. i guess other admins would know.. people who don't use anonymous terminals..
11:29
<moldy>
it's a known issue, but i forgot the workaround
11:30
<johnny>
check launchpad maybe?
11:30
if nobody answers
11:30
<moldy>
i am trying to
11:30
but there are alot of similiar/related problems and no real solutions
11:30
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit/+bug/219473
11:30
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-gnome/+bug/231246
11:30
it's a complete mess
11:33
<cliebow>
intrepid is a dvd now huh? no cdimage?
11:36
<ogra>
??
11:36
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
11:36
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
11:37
where did you look for it ?
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<jhutchins_wk>
What limits the number of simultaneous tftp sessions on a server?
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<johnny>
is there such a thing?
12:05* johnny never noticed
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12:18
<jhutchins_wk>
Well, when I reboot 275 devices, some of them don't get tftp.
12:20
<vagrantc>
survival of the fittest.
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12:40* vagrantc can't wait for ldm on arm and hppa!
12:41* vagrantc eyes up http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/package.php?p=ldm
12:41
<vagrantc>
so, despite having been built 6 days ago on hppa, arm may very well get uploaded first.
12:42
<ogra>
heh
12:42
hhpa
12:42
ppha ?
12:42
aahp
12:43* ogra notices that ftbfs on hpa recently started to get ignored on ubuntu ... seeems nobody really cares
12:43
<ogra>
*hppa
12:48
<stgraber>
yeah, I don't think iTalc built on it but I was told "Everything that uses glib is broken there"
13:00
<ogra>
yeah
13:00
i guess lamont will care for it some days before release
13:03* ogra hopes for more ubuntu CD testers once the new iso is up
13:05
<sbalneav>
I'll test tonight.
13:06
<cliebow>
cd..or dvd?
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13:08
<ogra>
cd
13:08
we just fixed some breakage, but the next builds should be good
13:08
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
13:14
<sbalneav>
k
13:14
ltspbot: learn dailyimage as http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
13:14
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
13:14
<sbalneav>
!dailyimage
13:14
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "dailyimage" is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/
13:14
<ogra>
heh :)
13:15
probably vagrantc wants his listed there too :)
13:15
though i dont know if debian has the CD install option
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<cliebow>
ogra:thanks
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
anyone on located in the UK?
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14:05
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah, there's no ltsp-enabled images for debian other than debian-edu that i'm aware of
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15:00
<sbalneav>
It's quiet in here.... too quiet
15:00* sbalneav looks around nervously
15:00
<jammcq>
nice-and-quiet
15:00
the quiet before the storm
15:00
<sbalneav>
hey hey
15:01
How's it going?
15:01
<jammcq>
there will be plenty of noise 2 weeks from today, when we are all celebrating
15:02
<ogra>
RAAAAHHHH
15:02* ogra makes some noise
15:03
<jammcq>
kids these days
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<ogra>
heh
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15:05* vagrantc started working on dgkfbtsp
15:05
<vagrantc>
again...
15:06
<ogra>
dkgbftspt ?
15:07
<vagrantc>
Debian GNU/kFreeBSD Terminal Server Project
15:07
<ogra>
heh
15:07
<vagrantc>
i probably screwed up the letters a little.
15:07
DGkFBTSP
15:08
better.
15:08
<ogra>
no hurd ?
15:08
could be reqady next year
15:08
<vagrantc>
DGHTSP
15:08
and then there's my PBTSP project as well.
15:09
<ogra>
paternity brothers terminal server project ?
15:10
<vagrantc>
PC-BSD
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<ogra>
ah
15:10
<vagrantc>
i get these insanities every once in a while when i have a fever.
15:11
it'll pass when i return to health.
15:11
<ogra>
heh
15:11
<vagrantc>
heh.
15:11
despite being built 6 days before the ldm arm upload was, arm was actually uploaded before hppa ... which still hasn't been uploaded.
15:12* vagrantc hears rumours of arm and mips thin-clients ...
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15:14
<ogra>
arm !!
15:15
<pem725>
how do I configure via unichrome pro drivers? they don't seem to work when I specify via but vesa works.
15:15
<vagrantc>
!distro
15:15
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "distro" is not a valid command.
15:15
<vagrantc>
!help
15:15
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
15:15
<ogra>
vagrantc, dont worry ...
15:15
!beer
15:15
<ltspbot>
ogra: Error: "beer" is not a valid command.
15:16
<ogra>
doesnt work either
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<vagrantc>
!release
15:16
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
15:16
<vagrantc>
pem725: ^^ that's the one i meant :)
15:16
<pem725>
whoops...ubuntu 8.04.1
15:16
<vagrantc>
!topics
15:16
<pem725>
ltsp 5
15:16
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
15:17
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
15:17* vagrantc will stop flooding the channel with ltspbot commands
15:19* vagrantc stumbles upon thinclient.org
15:19
<pem725>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
15:19
<ltspbot>
pem725: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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<pem725>
lts.conf?
15:25
<lts.conf>?
15:26
<vagrantc>
pem725: ??
15:26
<pem725>
yep
15:26
still here
15:26
just trying to figure out irc
15:26
<vagrantc>
!lts.conf
15:26
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
15:26
<pem725>
ah, been there.
15:27* vagrantc wonders how outdated it is
15:28
<pem725>
no info on via unichrome pro card on EPIA NE15000G board.
15:28
I searched everywhere.
15:28
came here as last resort
15:29
<sbalneav>
Hmm, don't I have the link for the new doco here?
15:29
!doco
15:29
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "doco" is not a valid command.
15:29
<sbalneav>
!doc
15:29
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
15:29
<sbalneav>
guess not.
15:29
one sec
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15:30
<pem725>
!topics
15:30
<ltspbot>
pem725: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
15:31
<sbalneav>
ltspbot: learn doco as you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
15:31
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
15:32
<sbalneav>
!doco
15:32
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "doco" is you can find the link to the latest, and most current upstream documentation at: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
15:32
<pem725>
been there
15:33
I guess my question is how do I get the via unichrome drivers to work? Do I need to use the binary ones in some manner with ltsp?
15:33
if I specify via in the lts.conf file, the thin client does not boot
15:33
<sbalneav>
Have you unstalled the openchrome drivers in the chroot?
15:34
<pem725>
if I specify vesa, it boots fine but the resolution is all messed up.
15:34
no, how do I do that?
15:34
<sbalneav>
What distro are you running?
15:34
<pem725>
do I just chroot and put them in where they would normally go on a system?
15:34
ubuntu 8.04.1
15:34
I can handle that..if that is the case.
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<sbalneav>
ok, run the following command:
15:35
dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l | grep chrome
15:36
<pem725>
from within chroot?
15:36
scratch that question...no
15:36
k
15:36
<sbalneav>
no, just at a regular command line
15:37
<pem725>
ok, I see the xserver-xorg-video-openchrome driver listed.
15:38
driver and XvMC libs for via and via pro
15:39
<sbalneav>
ok, so the openchrome driver is installed.
15:39
<pem725>
yep
15:40
<sbalneav>
So, you should be able to simply set (in your lts.conf file):
15:40
XSERVER=openchrome
15:40
<pem725>
ah!
15:40
<sbalneav>
and that should set the openchrome driver.
15:41
<pem725>
ok, I am rebooting the client
15:42
hard lockup
15:43
it boots but when it starts to resolve the xorg config, it just locks up hard.
15:43
<sbalneav>
ok, so the openchrome driver doesn't support that chipset then.
15:43
<pem725>
guess not
15:43
it does work with the vesa driver but the resolution does not work correctly.
15:43
I could live with vesa for the time being.
15:44
but the monitor does native 1680x1050 but it keeps defaulting to 1280x1024.
15:44
even if I specify X_MODE_O=1680x1050
15:44
any hints on that one?
15:44
<sbalneav>
Well, that's because 1680x1050 isn't a vesa mode, IIRC
15:45
<pem725>
ah
15:45
can I do widescreen at least in vesa mode?
15:45
the resolution does not need to be that high.
15:45
<sbalneav>
1440
15:45
1080
15:46
Sorry, 1440x1080's a vesa mode
15:46
so's 1600x1200
15:46
<pem725>
both are still too wide - even for this widescreen.
15:47
<sbalneav>
I don't know if via supplies a binary driver for that card or not.
15:47
<pem725>
I can't see the left or right inch of the desktop.
15:47
they do
15:47
I will see about installing it in the chroot
15:47
<sbalneav>
if they do, you could try installing it in the chroot, hand crafting an xorg.conf, and installing that in the chroot...
15:47
<pem725>
ok
15:47
<sbalneav>
and pointing to it with the X_CONF=/path variable
15:48
<pem725>
I guess I will need to update the image afterwards, right?
15:48
<sbalneav>
yes, absolutely
15:48
<pem725>
when you say pointing to it, I guess you mean point to the xorg binary module, right?
15:50
<sbalneav>
no
15:50
hand craft an xorg.conf
15:50
<pem725>
ah, got it.
15:50
I will give that a go later. Thanks greatly for your help.
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<sbalneav>
install in the chroot, say in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/myxorg.conf
15:51
then in lts.conf:
15:51
<pem725>
ok
15:51
<sbalneav>
X_CONF=/etc/X11/myxorg.conf
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<pem725>
fantastic!
15:51
<sbalneav>
Note that the path for the X_CONF variable is relative to the chroot, not the server's root
15:52
<pem725>
ok, I am downloading the drivers now.
15:52
<Lns>
Is LDM_AUTOLOGIN supposed to go under [default] or each specific terminal's stanza?
15:52
<pem725>
yes, got the relative path.
15:52
thanks sbalneav.
15:52
that was extremely helpful.
15:52
<sbalneav>
Lns: Not sure, I never use it.
15:52
pem725: NP
15:53
<Lns>
sbalneav: heh, sounds like many don't as that parm isn't documented :/
15:53
ftr it looks like it's in each terminal section
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<sbalneav>
Provide me with an example lts.conf, and I'll document it.
15:56* Lns starts documenting the ubuwiki
15:56
<johnny>
Lns, default is fine
15:57
that's what i do
15:57
that way i don't have to bother setting it per client
15:57
and then i just do autologin with ssh keys
15:57
<Lns>
johnny: really? so if there's no LDM_USERNAME/LDM_PASSWORD it just ignores it.. ?
15:57
<sbalneav>
I'd like to get it into the upstream docs
15:58
<Lns>
sbalneav: well this is what i have, i haven't documented it yet..let me test it on my own server..one min
15:58
<johnny>
leio, i don't use LDM_USERNAME or LDM_PASSWORD
15:58
err
15:58
Lns,
15:58
<Lns>
johnny: ok..
15:59
<johnny>
it defaults to the hostname for both if autologin is set
15:59
<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "lts.conf autologin" (35 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/62
15:59
<johnny>
but.. i already got hacked wit hthat
15:59
somebody sshed in and setup a bncer
15:59
<Lns>
heh
15:59
<johnny>
so.. i moved to public keys
16:00
<Lns>
johnny: so you're saying the default for all distros is LDM_AUTOLOGIN in [default] *or* in each w/s section will work
16:00
<johnny>
no..
16:00
LDM_AUTOLOGIN is nowhere by default
16:00
i assume it works per client
16:01
i've never tried it
16:01
<Lns>
right...ok well lemme try
16:01
<johnny>
i just said that if it's set.. then LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD default to the hostname
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<Lns>
johnny: ok
16:05
hrm, here's a caveat... when you log out, it just logs you out / then back in. How do you turn off a TC this way?
16:05
(cleanly that is)
16:05
<johnny>
i just power em off
16:05
that's why i use guest login tho
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16:05
<johnny>
instead of autologin these days
16:05
<Lns>
johnny: well there should be a clean way to do this
16:05
<johnny>
just use guest login
16:06
then you just click login as guest and the autologin stuff works
16:06
<Lns>
johnny: guest login meaning a username/passwd for the user to enter?
16:06
hmm
16:06
where is this documented?
16:06
<johnny>
no
16:06
just click login as guest
16:06
and the autologin stuff does it's thing
16:07
i have no idea
16:07
i never read the documentation
16:07
i just saw when it got added to ldm and started using it
16:07
<Lns>
johnny: so what, do you remove LDM_AUTOLOGIN but keep the others?
16:07
<johnny>
do you wanna see my lts.conf ?
16:07
<Lns>
johnny: sure
16:08
<johnny>
[default]
16:08
LDM_DIRECTX=Y
16:08
LDM_ALLOW_GUEST=Y
16:08
that's it
16:08
<Lns>
oh cool
16:09
<johnny>
that parameter should be documented in the trunk
16:09
Lns, this only works in hardy and any other distro released around that time period
16:10
or more specifically
16:10
any other ldm packages released since shortly before the hardy release
16:12
<Lns>
ok.. so LDM_ALLOW_GUEST looks like it's replaced by LDM_GUESTLOGIN
16:12
prolly backward compat though
16:16
<johnny>
Lns, don't you have a copy of the bzr repository ?
16:16
<Lns>
no
16:16
<johnny>
you should
16:16
<Lns>
i'm not that cool :p
16:16
<johnny>
that way you can verify what you're documenting
16:16
<Lns>
I need to learn how all that works first...
16:17
<johnny>
then you could just grep for LDM_GUESTLOGIN and see
16:17
<Lns>
well testing with my own equipment is easy enough
16:17
but i'm sure i'll get into bzr repositories soon..
16:17
<johnny>
not as easy as grepping the src
16:18* Lns doesn't understand the source sometimes
16:18
<johnny>
Lns, see.. i'm using hardy.. it might be the opposite in trunk, but i don't have my repos here
16:18
sure.. but i'm sure you can recognize if this then this
16:18
to tell which one supercedes the other
16:18
<Lns>
true
16:18
well i just pretty much verified LDM_GUESTLOGIN doesn't work at all
16:19
trying LDM_ALLOW_GUEST
16:19
k, that works
16:19
<johnny>
Lns, it could easily be that since hardy .. the new default in trunk is that LDM_GUESTLOGIN supercedes LDM_ALLOW_GUEST
16:20
and that LDM_GUESTLOGIN never existed until after hardy
16:20
<Lns>
yeah
16:20
looks like it anyway
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<Lns>
that's pretty neat, never used that before today
16:21
<johnny>
Lns, the next thing we need.. is a timeout for that :)
16:22
which might actually exist now, but it might have been too late for intrepid
16:22
ask ogra
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<Lns>
sbalneav: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutoLoginFeatures
16:35
<alkisg>
Lns, also LDM_USERNAME and password default to the client hostname
16:35
<Lns>
alkisg: ok i'll put that in
16:35
<johnny>
alkisg, i repeated that 3 times to you :)
16:36
err
16:36
that's to lns
16:36
<Lns>
along with using LDM_AUTOLOGIN/LDM_ALLOW_GUEST
16:36
<alkisg>
Heh!
16:36
<Lns>
johnny: blah.. ok call that page v1.0 =p
16:36
1.1 coming soon
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<alkisg>
Lns, did you recently do any ltsp-build-client?
16:38
<Lns>
alkisg: yes.. ?
16:38
<alkisg>
Because LDM_AUTOLOGIN changed in March
16:39
What does dpkg -l ldm give in chroot?
16:39
Ehm, I meant GUESTLOGIN
16:40
<Lns>
alkisg: jerickson@Fibonacci:~$ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ dpkg -l | grep ldm
16:40
ii ldm 5.0.40~bzr20080212-0ubuntu4 LTSP display manager
16:40
<alkisg>
Uh, hardy still has that? :P
16:40
<Lns>
alkisg: hardy-updates still has that
16:40
<alkisg>
changelog says it changed in ldm (2:0.1~bzr20080308-1)
16:41
A month later
16:41* Lns shrugs
16:41
<Lns>
I have updates for my chroot, but just the kernel & tzdata
16:42
<alkisg>
OK, so what you're saying in your page is fine.
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<johnny>
Lns, might be good to keep a seperate page with a the lts.conf variables changelog
16:45
<Lns>
johnny: it seems the vars are really all over the place...i've never seen any definitive, all inclusive doc on lts.conf parms (maybe besides the code :p)
16:46
I'm sure most of them contain MOST of the vars but none of them show the allow_guest/guestlogin
16:46
unless it's in trunk
16:46
<johnny>
yes the trunk has an updated version i think
16:46
Lns, this is why you shoudl check it out
16:46
or view it live on launchpad
16:46
then you can know for sure
16:46
you can browse it in the code section
16:47
Lns, you'll be much more effective documentor if you had a local copy tho
16:47
<Lns>
johnny: well i'll get to that ;) I just wanted to create a wiki page that documents how to actually do this..i've noticed a lot on the list that people ask about auto/guest login because the LDM_AUTOLOGIN var is missing from docs
16:48
johnny: you have any links on how to get setup with bzr branch/trunk/whatever? I'm a n00b when it comes to that
16:48
IANAP
16:48
<johnny>
every launchpad page has it
16:48
it's just one linke to use
16:49
as long as you have bzr
16:49
you just copy and paste that line on the terminal
16:49
and that's pretty much it
16:49
after that.. to update you just bzr pull && bzr up
16:49
<Lns>
what launchpad page?
16:50
gimme a link =) I'll try and learn from it
16:50
<johnny>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
16:50
for example
16:51
and just copy get this branch section
16:51
<Lns>
thx
16:51
<johnny>
and then you can get ldm too
16:52* Lns feels all elite n stuff
16:52
<johnny>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk
16:52
it'd be nice if the ltsp wiki itself included the development info
16:52
i think the branch info was out of date
16:52
but maybe it's fixed now
16:55
<alkisg>
johnny, have you understood how PPAs work? Is it like a redirection (so that I need to have my own server) or the sources are actually hosted on launchpad?
17:01
<johnny>
they are hosted on launchpad
17:02
<alkisg>
and anyone can upload ubuntu-related open source packages? E.g. I've made a greek programming language, can I ask for a PPA?
17:04
(sf.net doesn't have support for repositories...)
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<johnny>
they can upload any ppa for anything i think
17:08
i'm not a launchpad expert
17:08
but as far as i know.. anything goes
17:09
<alkisg>
ok johnny, thank you!
17:09* Lns creates a PPA for q-basic on ubuntu
17:10
<johnny>
it's too bad it only works with bzr
17:10
instead of git
17:10
too
17:10
it can mirror git/bzr/cvs .. but i'd like native support
17:11
<alkisg>
Well, for me even cvs would do! :P
17:14
<Lns>
Maybe someone should make a version control unifier
17:16
<johnny>
Lns, that's launchpad :)
17:16
except they use silly bzr
17:16
<Lns>
johnny: well that's what i mean
17:16
make something that can use bzr/cvs/git/whatever else transparently
17:16
DO IT NOW =p
17:17
ahem... /arnold
17:17
<johnny>
actually cvs is n't really possible
17:17
it doesn't handle certain things
17:17
and is too easy to break it
17:20* Lns gets some fooood
17:20
<X0d_of_N2d_>
isn't there a git plugin for bzr?
17:20
I'm pretty sure there's an svn one
17:22
http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrPlugins
17:23
<vagrantc>
LDM_GUESTLOGIN replaced LDM_ALLOW_GUEST.
17:23
LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT replaced LDM_TIMEOUT_ENABLE + LDM_TIMEOUT_TIME
17:23
Lns: any more variables you need clarification on?
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<Lns>
vagrantc: not at the moment, until i find one that isn't documented ;)
17:41
vagrantc: ty btw
17:41
<X0d_of_N0d>
Lns: where are you looking for docs on the variables?
17:42
<vagrantc>
Lns: there's compatibility for LMD_TIMEOUT_* but not for LDM_ALLOW_GUEST, as far as i know.
17:42* X0d_of_N0d looks at the topic
17:42
<X0d_of_N0d>
nm
17:42
<vagrantc>
though it would be easy to add.
17:44
<Lns>
X0d_of_N0d: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#general-parms - /opt/ltsp/arch/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples
17:44
<X0d_of_N0d>
ahhhh
17:44
Lns: thanx
17:44
<Lns>
X0d_of_N0d: np =)
17:45
<X0d_of_N0d>
it seems like http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf is the first one to come up in google, but that's clearly very outdated
17:46* Lns wonders why documentation isn't centralized in manpages
17:47
<vagrantc>
should mention links to more current information on the outdated wiki page ...
17:48* vagrantc fails to have valid login credentials for ltsp.org wiki
17:49
<Lns>
Is there anything keeping any distro back from simply going to manpages for documentation? It seems to be a pretty big mess, all sorts of tidbits everywhere online...wikis, official (outdated?) docs, /usr/share/doc, ...but no manpages (or very short ones)
17:50
The upstream docs are awesome though.. probably the best reference
17:50
but even sections in that are incomplete
17:51
<X0d_of_N0d>
unfrotunately the capabilities are within the chroot, so docs would have to be somehow be taken out of the chroot....
17:51
<Lns>
X0d_of_N0d: why do the docs need to be in the chroot anyway?
17:52
It's not like people always look at it on the TC tty
17:58
<X0d_of_N0d>
the docs have to be in the chroot because the funtionality that makes them work is in the chroot.
17:59
<vagrantc>
it's debateable where the docs should really be.
17:59
<X0d_of_N0d>
the scripts are in the chroot (necessarily)
17:59
online makes sense as long as everything stays updated
17:59
<vagrantc>
but i think with the ltsp-doc project, we'll see a separate ltsp-documentation package or some such in the nearish future.
18:00
<Lns>
vagrantc: I'd be willing to help with a ltsp-documentation package
18:01
It would make sense to me, anyway.. so that there is more pressure to update -documentation along with revisions to the actual packages, it will stay more current (and people obviously know about man pages if they use *nix)
18:02
So there's no question as to where to go for "official" documentation
18:02
<vagrantc>
i'm not convinced man pages make the most sense for everything.
18:03
for one thing, they're a *huge* pain to edit.
18:03
there's all sorts of frontends, many of which re-write them in incompatible ways.
18:03
<Lns>
vagrantc: well maybe that'll make devs think twice about implementing new features... ? :p
18:04
<vagrantc>
and editing it raw will narrow the scope of people down to almost nothing.
18:04
<Lns>
vagrantc: What's wrong with just writing a plaintext manpage?
18:05
<vagrantc>
Lns: i've tried using asciidoc and txt2man to handle those, and they always break in weird ways, in my experience.
18:05
<X0d_of_N0d>
lol
18:05
dude, I've been working on writing a manpage parser....
18:06
man pages are ALL different
18:06
erm...</rant>
18:06
<Lns>
hehe
18:07
well as long as one certain method is standardized on for ltsp manpages...i don't see the big deal
18:07* Lns is being naive probably though
18:07* vagrantc concurs
18:07
<Lns>
:p
18:07
<X0d_of_N0d>
man pages are written in groff
18:08
it's an ugly, ugly....ugly language
18:08
<vagrantc>
Lns: proposing things like that must start with "*I* will convert all the documentation to man pages, and *I* will make sure they're all kept current" followed by actually doing it.
18:08
and making it easy enough so that if you disappear, it keeps going.
18:08
<X0d_of_N0d>
ahh...the joys of linux
18:09
<Lns>
vagrantc: I know.. =) i'm just trying to gather information on how it actually works..
18:10
<vagrantc>
i think what we've got going on is a good start. some people who already know the guts of LTSP working on documentation and some people who're using ltsp working on it, and then generating a common project...
18:10
wiki's are really great for getting the initial content, but for long-term maintenance, they seem a little ugly.
18:10
<Lns>
and fragmented
18:10
<vagrantc>
yeah.
18:10
and the larger the project, the worse it gets.
18:11
<X0d_of_N0d>
yeah
18:11
<vagrantc>
LTSP has been around a long time, and the wiki has accumulated so much information over the years it's hard to sort out the useful, current and unchanging information from the misleading or outdated...
18:11* Lns downloads txt2man just for fun
18:12
<Lns>
It's crazy that it's been around for so long without any definitive doc... i guess it just works that well =)
18:13
<X0d_of_N0d>
well the ltsp wiki worked really well for a while
18:14
<vagrantc>
sure
18:14
<X0d_of_N0d>
the link I was using has *most* of the right info
18:14
....just not all the right info
18:14
<Lns>
sometimes i kinda wish linux was more like bsd in that everything *must* have a manpage
18:15
<X0d_of_N0d>
Lns: yeah, but then linux might be more like bsd, and it would be a pain to install on the kind of hardware linux runs on without any problem
18:15
<Lns>
of course that's impossible given there's no real authority in any one distro, etc.
18:17
X0d_of_N0d: at least it'd have a manpage on how to get it to work on said hardware.. of course you couldn't read it, but... =p
18:17
<X0d_of_N0d>
hehe
18:17
everything has it's place....'cpt windoze
18:18
oh wait...solitare
18:18
<Lns>
can't forget porn!
18:18
complete with virus infection
18:18
<X0d_of_N0d>
porn on a windoze box, you're looking for trouble
18:18
heheh
18:19
Lns: yeah, windows simulates the experiance really well. computer sex= computer virus
18:19
<Lns>
heh
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<ltsppbot>
"Lns" pasted "lts.conf manpage - Just for fun, don't yell at me =p" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/63
18:37
<Lns>
Hehe..looks nice don't it ;)
18:39
<X0d_of_N0d>
Lns: the real trick is figuring out how to verify that the scripts and programs inside the chroot match the documentation outside....
18:39
brb...
18:41
<Lns>
X0d_of_N0d: well if the scripts and programs outside the chroot are responsible for building the chroot itself, i wouldn't think it'd be too difficult to match it all up
18:43
oh well
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<X0d_of_N0d>
Lns: if there was a meta package that built the chroot that would work
18:46
Lns: but then there'd have to be a meta package for each arch and stuff
18:48
<Lns>
X0d_of_N0d: That'd be kinda a roundabout way of doing it i think..maybe, for example debian/ubuntu, simply "Recommends: ltsp-documentation" would be a good thing
18:48
oh i see what you mean
18:48
well the manpages would have to be generic enough for cross-arch
18:48
which i wouldn't think would be an issue
18:50
<X0d_of_N0d>
right, but you could have multiple versions of the ltsp client installed
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<Lns>
true
18:51* Lns wonders how other similar projects do it
18:51
<vagrantc>
there aren't many cross-system projects
18:51
<X0d_of_N0d>
I don't know that there really are any similar projects
18:52
<vagrantc>
the issue is that we have two or more installations, the server itself, and the chroot(s).
18:52
<X0d_of_N0d>
the only stuff close would be virtualization, but all the controls for those projects are usually on the server
18:52
<vagrantc>
there's no cross-chroot dependency handling anywhere, as far as i know.
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<Lns>
ok i'm out..thx for the thoughts all
19:02
<X0d_of_N0d>
later Lns
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Rixter
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<kwak>
anyone using fedora 9 ltsp (k12linux)?
20:58
i'm having trouble with setting up network for thin clients. the guide says edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX, but can't find this file either eth0 or eth1
20:59
<johnny>
on the server
20:59
?
20:59
it should be on the server
20:59
not that i know anything about fedora
21:01
<kwak>
yes
21:01
on the server
21:02
<petre>
kwak, what ifcfg-eth* files do you see in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts
21:02
?
21:03
kwak, what interfaces do you see in NetworkManager?
21:04
<kwak>
i don
21:04
i don't see anything in network manager.
21:04
i can see ifgcfg-ltspbr0 in network-scripts
21:04
<petre>
is this a desktop machine or laptop?
21:04
<kwak>
server
21:04
<petre>
what kind of NICs?
21:05
!pastebot
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21:06
<kwak>
broadcom.
21:06
my sever is dell poweredge 1425
21:06
i can see the one of the NICs get an address from my internal DHCP server
21:07
<petre>
what does ifconfig show?
21:08
<kwak>
it shows eth1
21:08
eth2 which has IP address from DHCP,
21:08
ltspbr0
21:08
and lo
21:08
<petre>
is eth1 connected to your clients?
21:10
<kwak>
tes
21:10
yes
21:10
it should get 192.168.0.254 right which is the default IP for ltsp
21:10
<petre>
but neither eth1 nor eth2 show up in NetworkManager???
21:11
<kwak>
checking.
21:11
<petre>
no, eth1 won't have an address, but ltspbr0 will have 172.31.100.254
21:12
<kwak>
ok, not it's there. auto Eth2 and auto Eth1
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<petre>
it uses a subnet quite unlikely to be used to avoid conflicts
21:13
<kwak>
ic, so how do I edit eth1 so i can bridge it with ltspbr0
21:14
<petre>
did you go into NetworkManager, highlight eth1, click Edit, and then uncheck "Controlled by NetworkManager"
21:17
<kwak>
there's no edit.
21:18
<petre>
at the top of the window?
21:18
<kwak>
in networkmanager right, yes, if i click Auto Eth1, it gets selected,
21:18
<petre>
icons labeled New, Edit, Copy, plus some that are greyed out
21:18
?
21:19
you're in the Network Configuration window?
21:19
get there via System ->Administration -> Network
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<kwak>
if i right click, i see the edit then network connections dialog box appears
21:20
<petre>
not via the icon on the top right
21:20
on the panel
21:20
<kwak>
ok, got it.
21:21
ok, im in network configuration.
21:21
i'm in devices tab. i can only see ltspbr0
21:21
<petre>
if it appears under the panel icon, then NetworkManager is controlling it, and that's not what you want
21:22
click New
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add an ethernet device
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then it should show you your two Broadcom NICs
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says "Select the ethernet card you want to configure" near the top
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<sla2>
Is there developper(s) of LTSP here?
21:27
<petre>
sla2, what's your real question?
21:29
<vagrantc>
!question
21:29
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
21:30
<sla2>
When I create a user, I give them a temporary password with an expiration date (chage -d 0 user). The login screen (gdm) ask the user to change password, but it freeze. Does this option is considered in a near future?
21:30
<vagrantc>
some versions of LDM don't handle password expiration very well.
21:31
<sla2>
is there any way?
21:31
<vagrantc>
!release
21:31
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
21:31
<vagrantc>
??
21:31
<sla2>
ubuntu 8.04
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<jammcq>
hey friends
21:32
<petre>
hey jammcq
21:34
<vagrantc>
sla2: i'm not sure if they patched that version of LDM to handle password expiry.
21:34
i suspect not...
21:34
<sla2>
so there is a patch?
21:36
<vagrantc>
against other versions of ldm, yes.
21:36
<sla2>
well, you answered my question.... it will be fixe in a near future
21:36
thanks
21:36
<vagrantc>
should be fixed in 8.10, i think.
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<kwak>
thanks petre, will try
21:49
<petre>
kwak, did you follow the screen shots in the README?
21:51
<kwak>
which README are you talking about.
21:51
i'm creating NEW config now
21:51
<petre>
There should be a README on the desktop, if you installed from the Live image for USB/DVD
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<kwak>
o that, ok, let me check
21:52
<petre>
it's in /etc/skel, so it will appear on the desktop of any user you create until you delete it from /etc/skel
21:57
<kwak>
got it
21:58
<petre>
kwak, follow that and it should be pretty straight forward
21:58
<kwak>
does anyone knows how to authenticate ltsp clients to Active Directory
21:58
thanks petre.
21:59
<petre>
kwak, have a look under System -> Adminstration -> Authentication
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<petre>
get authentication on the server working with AD and it will work fine for the clients
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<petre>
time for sleep
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<kwak>
i appreciate your help. client are in bootup process.
22:04
by the way, what's the prefered distro now for LTSP
22:04
i've been using centos (k12ltsp) for four 5 years now
22:20
<johnny>
preferred?
22:21
if you would have asked last year, it would have been ubuntu
22:21
this year..
22:21
it's ubuntu/debian/fedora/opensuse
22:23
<kwak>
i have a dual processor server with 4Gb of RAM that supports 25 clients. I had speed issues with ubuntu.
22:30
<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<johnny>
kwak, aare you using ltsp5 now?
22:33
i think you'll have some of the same issues on any of the distros
22:34
LDM_DIRECTX=Y seems to be the best thing to do
22:34
and not tunnel X through ssh
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<kwak>
johnny, i'm trying out fedora 9 (k12linux)
22:53
johnny, have you tried this setting in edubuntu?
22:54
<johnny>
yes
22:54
well ubuntu.. but same diff
22:55
kwak, what version it is of the os does not matter
22:55
its' what ltsp versions that are installed :)
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<kwak>
ic, so LDM_DIRECTX=Y fixes the slowness in edubuntu.
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<kwak>
ok, so I connected my ltsp server to the domain. I get a permission denied when creating the home directory for the user that I used.
23:08
<gonzaloaf_laptop>
hi, how can I make boot my PC's that dont support PXE boot?
23:13
<johnny>
i didn't say that it fixed everything kwak
23:13
ltsp 5 generally uses more resources across all distros
23:13
gonzaloaf_laptop, use a floppy,usb stick, hard disk , cd
23:13
via rom-o-matic
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<gonzaloaf_laptop>
johnny, thanks
23:17
<kwak>
k, nevermind. i just want to solve this permission denied thing on my server.
23:26
<sbalneav>
kwak: Where are you getting this error?
23:31
<kwak>
from the client.
23:31
i'm still running on the fedora liveusb so I don't know if it's the cause
23:32
<sbalneav>
So, you've got a user, and you're doing a mkdir on the server as root?
23:42
<johnny>
if you don't use the proper tools like adduser or whatnot, it's not gonna have the write privileges
23:42
right*
23:42
<kwak>
sbalneav: i'm logging in using an account from the active directory, it should create a home folder for that user right?
23:45
<sbalneav>
Not usually, no
23:45
Unless you setup something like libpam_mkhomedir, or the like.
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<rjune>
@d
23:45
!S
23:45
<ltspbot>
rjune: "S" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:45
<sbalneav>
Hey rjune
23:46
<kwak>
i think i set that up.
23:46
<sbalneav>
Can you log in from the console?
23:46
If it doesn't work from the console, then it isn't an LTSP problem.
23:48
<kwak>
i modified /etc/pam.d/system-auth
23:49
added session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask=0777
23:49
i will try loggin onto the console later.
23:49* warren remains in exotic foreign country.
23:50
<rjune>
hawaii?
23:50
<warren>
close
23:50
<rjune>
hawaii isn't close to anything
23:50
<warren>
well, closer
23:50
<rjune>
'cept maybe maui, oahu, etc.
23:51
<warren>
This exotic foreign country fails to use grammatical articles when speaking English.
23:51
<rjune>
ah, japan
23:51
or is that russia?
23:53
<johnny>
warren fails to be in the right place
23:53
hi warren !
23:53
<sbalneav>
Hey warren!