IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 8 May 2013   (all times are UTC)

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10:00
<DJUnreal>
bah
10:00
so much for that idea
10:01
<vnc786>
just to share : this is what i did to add libreoffice extension for all fat clients (instead of adding one extension per user) http://pastebin.com/fiskzWhL
10:10
<DJUnreal>
nice one vnc786, thanks!
10:11
<Hyperbyte>
!seen knipwim
10:11
<ltsp>
knipwim was last seen in #ltsp 3 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 19 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <knipwim> !bug
10:12
<Hyperbyte>
vnc786, write a small howto on wiki.ltsp.org? ;-)
10:20* DJUnreal grins
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10:57
<PhoenixSTF>
DJUnreal, working with a VPN and a load of other stuff...
10:57
<DJUnreal>
aye, that'll do it
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13:36
<workingcats>
is there an easy way to get the IP of the thin client i am using? like an environmental var or something like that maybe?
13:37
<muppis>
For scripting or something for more general?
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13:57
<workingcats>
muppis, sorry missed the blinking -.- well it would be quite useful for this app i'm writing
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13:58
<JuJuBee>
What is the procedure for ltsp fat client users to change their login password? in terminal just use passwd or ssh to server then passwd?
13:59
<workingcats>
not sure how you mean the question. basically i want the IP to automatically pick a default username for an unrelated system
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13:59
<workingcats>
e.g. if the IP is x.y.z.74 my app would use user74 as username
14:00
<muppis>
workingcats, I meant it as do you just want to see it or do need it in some script?
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14:00
<workingcats>
muppis, i need it in a script that runs server-side (on the account of the logged in user)
14:01
oh and i just found it
14:01
<muppis>
Good. :)
14:01
<workingcats>
env variable LTSP_CLIENT. also, "env" prints out all env vars hehe
14:02
in case anyone else was wondering
14:02
<muppis>
JuJuBee, I'm not used fat clients much, but afaik user needs to ssh to server to change it.
14:02
<JuJuBee>
muppis: thanks. will try that
14:09
<Hyperbyte>
Hi JuJuBee :)
14:09
<JuJuBee>
Hey Hyperbyte
14:09
Hows tings
14:09
<Hyperbyte>
My things are good. How are your things?
14:10
<JuJuBee>
My things are marvelous
14:10
<Hyperbyte>
:)
14:10
That's always good to hear.
14:12
<JuJuBee>
Yep, a very successful school year with ltsp. Very happy with the results
14:14
<Hyperbyte>
Good. :-)
14:15
I got to spend around 20k euros on new server and new printer this month. :)
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14:15
<Hyperbyte>
Which is... you know, always nice, since I'm the one buying, but not the one paying. :P
14:17
<JuJuBee>
Lucky you....
14:19
<vmlintu>
JuJuBee: do you use /etc/passwd or LDAP or something else to store your users and passwords?
14:19
<JuJuBee>
just / etc / passwd
14:19
Ive never been able to get ldap working
14:20
<vmlintu>
With LDAP you could change the passwords directly from fat clients, but with /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow you have to do it locally..
14:20
locally on the server that is
14:21
What problems did you have with ldap?
14:21
<JuJuBee>
I don't mind using the ssh to server method... until I get ldap working
14:21
Was a couple years ago, so I don't recall
14:21
I need a good how-to
14:22
<vmlintu>
Are you going to use ldap just for users or also something else?
14:23
<JuJuBee>
Don't know, prolly just users
14:23
Haven't given much thought
14:23
<vmlintu>
This is how I did it before: http://labs.opinsys.com/blog/2010/01/27/setting-up-openldap-on-ubuntu-10-04-alpha2/
14:24
Nowadays I'm using Puavo to manage users and devices, so it's different..
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14:36
<unkmar>
I finally figured out my ltsp printer problem.
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14:37
<DJUnreal>
JuJuBee: you could probably use NIS too
14:37
<ltspuser_22>
Hi
14:37
<DJUnreal>
and change passwords using yppasswd
14:37
<ltspuser_22>
I need an advice
14:37
<DJUnreal>
hey ltspuser_22
14:37
'sup?
14:37
<anivair>
Morning. I'm back again to try to finish off the only problem I think I have left on my new server: graphics gone bad.
14:37
I'm getting graphhics distortion on the old red disklessworkstations boxes.
14:38
it's all slanted and off kilter
14:38
<ltspuser_22>
I need to do some tests to check how many ldm sessions my server can handle
14:38
is there any way to simulate a ldm session??
14:38
I only have 2 terminals...
14:39
<unkmar>
ltsp-chroot install cups. Setup the printer in a client. Copy /etc/cups/printers.conf and /etc/ppd/* from client to /opt/ltsp/arch/etc/cups/ of LTSP server.
14:39
<||cw>
anivair: crt sacreens?
14:39
screens...
14:39
<anivair>
nope. lcd
14:39
<||cw>
ltspuser_22: spin up some virtual machine clones?
14:40
does vbox do page sharing? if so you could get about 30 128MB vm's in 1GB ram
14:42
<ltspuser_22>
how much bandwith a ldm session needs? (normal situation)
14:42
<||cw>
docs say it does, to an extent http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26217_01/E35769/html/virtualbox.html
14:42
<DJUnreal>
ltspuser_22: install oracle virtualbox on a spare pc and hammer the hell out of the server with it :)
14:42
<anivair>
there IS a difference in that the ones that are not working are using vga ports and the new one uses dvi by default. I'll have to bring it up in a bit and check a new thin client with an old port
14:42
<ltspuser_22>
are you trying to say that I can run some VMs and boot with PXE??
14:43
<DJUnreal>
yes
14:43
<jammcq1>
ltspuser_22: LDM needs very little
14:43
<||cw>
just an idle session? likely nearly nothing.
14:43
<DJUnreal>
set your VMs to use a shared port
14:43
they'll emulate their own MAC addresses
14:43
<vmlintu>
ltspuser_22: I've seen thin client sessions using 0.1 - 125Mbps of bandwidth depending on what the user does..
14:43
<jammcq1>
it's the applications that you choose to run that will dictate how many users your server can handle
14:43
<DJUnreal>
and request DHCP across the cable
14:43
<||cw>
ltspuser_22: yes, vbox supports PXE booting in a vm, as long as you're using the bridged config and not the default NAT
14:43
<DJUnreal>
fwiw... our kids tend to DESTROY our server just by running badly-coded flash games
14:43
<ltspuser_22>
ok...
14:43
I will try
14:44
thks
14:44
<DJUnreal>
||cw: most of the configs (NAT excepted) allow PXE :)
14:44
<||cw>
DJUnreal: flash does software rendering on the host anyway, instead of offloading that to the client graphics like normal movie playing can
14:45
DJUnreal: well, the options are nat, host only, and bridged. the only one that's going to boot from the lan's pxe is bridged
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14:50
<DJUnreal>
hey alkisg, naboo
14:50
<alkisg>
Hello
14:51
<ltspuser_22>
vmlintu: are you saying that if I have a 100 Mbps ethernet card could not work only for 1 user? Because if a user can use 125Mbps in a ldm session....
14:53
<vmlintu>
ltspuser_22: fullscreen youtube with flash uses that much
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14:54
<DJUnreal>
and THAT is one of the reasons we block youtube at our events
14:55
<vmlintu>
Last time I tested 10 thin clients running youtube used ~850Mbps
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14:55* DJUnreal suspects this is where bonding is gonna come in useful
14:56
<DJUnreal>
aggregate NIC transfer rates to allow multiple gigabit sessions to each LTSP backend server
14:56* DJUnreal can't see a reason that bonding wouldn't work with LTSP either - you just set the IP on bond0 instead of eth0/eth1
14:56
<||cw>
yup.
14:56
<DJUnreal>
and the OS handles the rest
14:56
<||cw>
well, OS and switch
14:57
<ltspuser_22>
ok
14:57
I understand
14:57
thank you
14:57
<DJUnreal>
as far as i know, the switch doesn't care?
14:57
<vmlintu>
so I wouldn't try running an ltsp server with 100 Mbps ports
14:57
<DJUnreal>
you don't need to port-channel a pair of switchports to get a bond working
14:57
<||cw>
if the switch and OS aren't configured for the same type of balancing, then only outgoing traffic from the server will get balanced
14:58
<DJUnreal>
true... maybe port channelling is worth looking at too
14:58
<||cw>
yeah the bond will work, but the switch will send all new connections to whichever port it last saw the MAC address on
14:58* DJUnreal isn't gonna be using it in his environment lol
14:58
<||cw>
which might end up looking like it's balanced sometimes
15:00
pretty much all managed and semi-managed switches have some type of trunking. LACP is best, but even when not, the balance method should be documented somewhere (mac hash usually) and you can tell the bonding driver to do the same
15:00
<DJUnreal>
once i get some higher-end servers... i'll be looking at that kinda stuff
15:00
my switches are awesome...
15:00
if you set up a port-channel on them
15:00
you can do src-ip
15:00
src-mac
15:00
dst-ip
15:00
dst-mac
15:00
<||cw>
for a new server, just get a 10G card
15:00
<DJUnreal>
src-dst-ip
15:00
src-dst-mac
15:00
<||cw>
though then you need a switch too
15:01
<DJUnreal>
haha... only if you have 10G switching infrastructure
15:01* DJUnreal is on a budget of 0 here
15:04
<||cw>
then "high end" is kinda not gonna happen either?
15:05
<DJUnreal>
HaHa
15:05
you'd be surprised
15:05
<workingcats>
thanks from me too for that bonding advice, very good to know :)
15:06
<DJUnreal>
the words "scouts" and "charity donation" tend to get you quite a lot of kit
15:06
looks like one of the guys i know may be able to blag me some brand new laptops from dell for free
15:06* DJUnreal is also working on getting some UPS gear
15:06
<DJUnreal>
APC are very happy to donate, or so i'm told
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15:07
<DJUnreal>
and i've got enterprise class switching gear (and a current pile of 13 enterprise servers from 10 years ago that got decommed from a datacentre by my old company)
15:09
it's not what you know... it's who you know (and i may be getting satellite internet gear donated soon!!!)
15:09* alkisg has successfully tried bonding with 4 nics on the ltsp server, and a cheap switch, using round-robin on the server side
15:09
<||cw>
huh, netgear has a 100/1G/10G 8 port switch for under $1000
15:10
XS708E
15:10
<DJUnreal>
||cw... I might try to get Cisco to donate us a Nexus 5k setup :P
15:11
<||cw>
that'd be nice
15:11* DJUnreal would love a nexus core and a bunch of FEX's
15:11
<DJUnreal>
or better still, the same thing on our boats... dual nexii stacked into one virtual switch with FEX's hanging off it
15:12
<alkisg>
New DEs rely on opengl so they won't work over the network no matter its speed... so for higher budgets, fat clients may work best
15:13
<DJUnreal>
DEs?
15:14
<alkisg>
desktop environments, like gnome3
15:14
<DJUnreal>
'ah
15:14
'we use LXDE
15:14
clean, simple, and 'just works'
15:14
<alkisg>
LXDE is trying to get merged with razor-qt?
15:15
<DJUnreal>
it is?
15:16
and alkisg: what are you referring to as a 'fat client'?
15:16
<alkisg>
I think so... pcmanfm was rewritten in qt, and there was a very long mailing list thread about them joining forces
15:16
!fatclients
15:16
<ltsp>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
15:16
<DJUnreal>
as in... are you expecting to hand images to them from LTSP as normal? or effectively use them as workstations on a domain?
15:17
<alkisg>
Netbooted from ltsp server, but using their own cpu+ram to run programs
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15:17
<DJUnreal>
right right
15:18
so kinda what i'm expecting to do once i get drivers etc sorted for the machines we have
15:18* DJUnreal has a very mixed bunch of systems
15:18
<DJUnreal>
that's my next project once i get load balancing working
15:18
hand out amd64 images to capable clients
15:18
hand out images with the correct video drivers for the 20 different sodding video cards we have
15:19* DJUnreal is assuming ltsp can be customised to do this, right?
15:19
<alkisg>
Sure, although usually 1 image is enough
15:19
<DJUnreal>
one image with drivers for all the cards?
15:19* DJUnreal will need two... one for amd64 and one for i386-only
15:19
<DJUnreal>
luckily... debian 7 supports multiarch as well
15:20
so the server running amd64 debian can run i386 packages nicely
15:20
<alkisg>
The benefit of running 64 bit clients is sometimes negligible... i386+pae might be enough for all
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15:21
<DJUnreal>
maybe... but the kids we have tend to suck the life out of the server
15:22
so if i'm switching local apps on
15:22
i want to make use of everything available
15:23
have i mentioned my project is a bleedin' nightmate?
15:23
<alkisg>
Hehe, why so?
15:23* DJUnreal never did get those baby thinclients working
15:23
<DJUnreal>
that's another challenge for another day
15:23
alkisg: i get upwards of 20 machines required as clients
15:24* DJUnreal gets given random hardware with unknown specs half the time
15:24
<DJUnreal>
the servers we have are out of date and suffering badly, hence my current challenge being to configure load balancing
15:24
<alkisg>
We've deployed ~500 schools here, with random hardware... yours sounds like a piece of cake :)
15:24
With < 500€ budget per school, most of them with < 100€
15:24
<DJUnreal>
the admins i have that go to site with me are a complete bunch of muppets - one of them tried to restart his client a while back while testing, typed init 6 in a shell, and managed to take the core freakin' server down instead
15:25
oh, and we aren't a school... we're truly portable/mobile
15:25
so we turn up somewhere
15:25
set up a cafe for a weekend
15:25
then rip it apart and go home
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<DJUnreal>
the guys who want it running are expecting us to run things like openarena (with 3d rendering etc) on it
15:25
so i need to find a way to make the clients work with that nicely
15:26
<alkisg>
We've done that in ~20 workshops in different cities, with random hardware... we didn't have any problems, we only brought our switches along
15:26
<DJUnreal>
HeHe
15:26
the majority of the kids all load flash games
15:26
and when you get 20 sessions full of flash games... the server starts to suffer
15:26
<alkisg>
That's where localapps and fat clients come in
15:26
!flash
15:26
<ltsp>
flash: Yes, flash sucks. An HD full screen 30 fps video needs 2.5 Gbps bandwidth (1920×1080×4×30)! Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like http://linterna-magica.nongnu.org
15:26
<DJUnreal>
indeed
15:26
that's what i'm starting to work
15:26
with
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<DJUnreal>
Welcome Back alexqwesa
15:29
alkisg even
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15:31
<DJUnreal>
so anyway... last night i installed ltsp-server on the second machine
15:31
guess it's just the lts.conf i need to tweak now
15:31
to assign some clients to each server
15:31
got NIS set up... got /opt/ltsp and /home shared as NFS mounts automounted on the second server
15:31
<alkisg>
dhcpd.conf
15:32
<DJUnreal>
yeah, i guess i need to tweak that too
15:32
question...
15:32
ltsp-build-client
15:32
<alkisg>
Unless you only want to balance the session and not the nbd image serving
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<DJUnreal>
does that do anything other than just creating the client image?
15:33
<alkisg>
It configures nbd too, and updates the kernels in the tftp dir
15:33
<DJUnreal>
right
15:33
so if i'm happy to have the images handed out from my master server
15:33
and literally just want my secondary server to be an extra 'login node' as it were
15:33
i can just tweak lts.conf?
15:33
<alkisg>
Then just play with LDM_SERVER in lts.conf, yeah
15:33
<DJUnreal>
cool
15:33* DJUnreal hasn't had issues with clients getting an image
15:34* DJUnreal has only suffered from server overload once the clients are booted
15:34
<DJUnreal>
i've given my two servers static IPs and linked them in the hosts files on both machines
15:34
<alkisg>
Did you set LDM_DIRECTX=True?
15:34
<DJUnreal>
NFS automounts are working, NIS is working
15:34
not started doing that yet... that's the next step
15:34
it's a fresh build because the last lot of builds i had were catastrophically flawed
15:35* DJUnreal learned from that not to let his admins do his job...
15:35* DJUnreal is the architect
15:35
<DJUnreal>
the other guys are cable/reboot monkeys
15:35
and they made a right mess of the last server build
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<DJUnreal>
but yeah
15:38
i shall be turning on local apps
15:38
and directx
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15:38
<DJUnreal>
and maybe even turning off encryption
15:38
as there's nothing secure going over the LAN
15:38
it's VLAN'd from the internet
15:38
twice
15:38* DJUnreal has quite a good setup there...
15:39
<DJUnreal>
VLAN for filthy-internet
15:39
output from that goes to a filtering and firewalling router/server
15:39
output from there into clean-internet
15:39
which pipes into the ltsp front-end NICs
15:39
and output from the LTSP back-end NICs goes into trusted-backend VLAN
15:40
which /only/ contains thinclients
15:40
and fatclients
15:40
and idiots
15:40
but those come as standard
15:41
3 VLANs, 3 DHCP scopes, two of which are under my control
15:42
the specific reason for a clean-internet VLAN is that we sometimes get asked to allow certain devices straight through our filtered feed to the net rather than managing them
15:42
like, for example, our localised wifi hotspot for the kids' phones etc
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15:45
<DJUnreal>
Welcome Back alkisg1
15:48
<alkisg1>
:) bad connection!
15:50* DJUnreal gets the gaffa tape, superglue and soldering gear out
15:51* DJUnreal guesses you missed most of his setup info
15:51
<alkisg1>
Nah, I only got disconnected for a minute.... and it's all in the irclogs
15:51* DJUnreal laughs
15:52
<DJUnreal>
but yeah... i don't think i've got any security issues to worry about if i turn off encryption
15:52
only issue i can potentially see is if i'm sharing /home from my master server... disk i/o may start to suffer at some point
15:53
but then... most of the stuff the kids do shouldn't need to write to /home anyway
15:53
not if it's web browsing
15:53
<||cw>
async nfs works pretty well if data isn't mission critical
15:53
<DJUnreal>
of course... once i eventually get a server upgrade
15:54
i'll either rsync the /home volumes across both sides
15:54
or stick a NAS in the mix
15:54
<||cw>
ofcs/gfs?
15:54
<DJUnreal>
and have that hooked up over quad gigabit connections
15:54
which, incidentally, will probably return the bottleneck to my NAS i/o
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<DJUnreal>
but at that point, i'll run a large raid 0+1 anyway, and just have it running across lots of spindles
15:56
don't care about capacity particularly... but if the bottleneck starts to be disk i/o rather than LAN access, i just add more spindles and that sorts it (up to a point - i know about diminishing returns etc, but in the small-scale it'll be fine)
15:57
and hopefully by the time i start bottlenecking at i/o i'll be given some upgrades from U320 SCSI to SAS (ideally 6GB/sec SAS)
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15:58
<||cw>
ssd :)
15:59
<DJUnreal>
||cw: if someone wants to donate me a truckload of SSDs, i'll take 'em
15:59
but they won't end up in my servers...
15:59* DJUnreal smells a desktop upgrade if that happens
15:59
<||cw>
iops-wise, one ssd vs 6 sas
15:59
<DJUnreal>
yeah
15:59
<||cw>
so, it's already a better deal
15:59
<DJUnreal>
hence why it'd end up in my desktop ;)
15:59
you think i'd sacrifice my gaming rig to boost server i/o for a cybercafe? :P
16:01
<||cw>
if you're buying one, no, but if it's donated for the cafe...
16:02
<DJUnreal>
HeHe true
16:02* DJUnreal needs an infrastructure that can use it though
16:02
<DJUnreal>
all my servers are old SCSI behemoths atm
16:08
so yeah
16:09
when i get some donations
16:09
we'll be well away
16:09
tonight, though
16:09* DJUnreal shall hopefully achieve the stuff he wanted to do last night before a VRM failed on him and took up his night repairing stuff
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<DJUnreal>
aaaaaaaaand i'm back
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<DJUnreal>
!lts.conf
18:17
<ltsp>
lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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18:29
<DJUnreal>
quick one for you all
18:29
if i have a setting in the [Default] section
18:29
and then the same item in a sub-section
18:30
does the sub-section machine-specific setting override the default?
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<DJUnreal>
lo alkisg
18:42
dunno if you can answer the question i have quickly
18:43
[19:29] <DJUnreal> if i have a setting in the [Default] section
18:43
[19:29] <DJUnreal> and then the same item in a sub-section
18:43
[19:30] <DJUnreal> does the sub-section machine-specific setting override the default?
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<lykwydchykyn>
does anyone know how to shut off the constant "ldminfod[somenumber]: connect from someip" messages filling syslog?
19:01
on ubuntu server 12.04
19:07
<alkisg>
DJUnreal: yup
19:08
<DJUnreal>
ah good
19:08
i hoped that'd be the case
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19:27
<DJUnreal>
aaaaaaaaaaand my living room now resembles a datacentre
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20:29
<alkisg>
highvoltage: did you test the ubuntu image for the zatab?
20:30* alkisg reboots to flash it... :)
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20:46
<DJUnreal>
uh oh
20:46
he's flashing something... it's taking a long time...
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<DJUnreal>
your flash worked then alkisg
21:10* DJUnreal was starting to get a bit concerned
21:11
<alkisg>
Nope I forgot the key sequence to tell my tablet to enter flash mode... (livesuit) :(
21:11* DJUnreal laughs
21:11
<DJUnreal>
seriously... is my living room a bit overkill?
21:12
3 enterprise class servers
21:12
2 enterprise class switches
21:12
an 8port rackmount KVM
21:12
about 40 metres of fibre
21:12
...
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21:38
<dawydiuk>
I'm trying to tweak the desktop for client machines to add shortcuts and what not. It's kind of painful in that I'm not familiar where all the config files and syntax are for xfce4. Is there a better way to go about this?
21:39
More specifically I'm trying to install a theme(to make it look more windows'ish) and put some desktop icons on the desktop to run some windows programs
21:39
how do you guys go about this(command line on server...)?
21:40
I was hoping there was a way to boot into the image in a writeable way so I could set it up how I want, like mounting via nfs r/w
21:41
<DJUnreal>
it all depends... your best bet is to google for an xfce setup tutorial - what you're looking at is the actual desktop environment per user rather than ltsp
21:45
<dawydiuk>
the trouble I'm having is all the guides are for using a gui my clients that access the gui have a read only image so I can't do much with this approach. I'm currently digging through the /opt/ltsp/i386/home/__user__ /.config/ scripts trying to figure out how to configure things like I want but there doesn't seem to be much documentation on how to do things this way, everything is guy based
21:46
s/guy/gui/g
21:46
<DJUnreal>
you /can/ log in to the gui on the server
21:46
configure it there as the user your clients will use
21:46
<dawydiuk>
I think theres got to be a better way to do this
21:46
<DJUnreal>
then log out again
21:46
<dawydiuk>
ahhh
21:46
<DJUnreal>
and once you set it up for one user
21:46
you can just copy the settings to other users
21:46
your read-only image for ltsp isn't the actual client image
21:47
it's just an image that says "now open a remote X session to the server" and takes everything from the server side
21:47
<dawydiuk>
my server is command line only, but this might be a good reason to install gui
21:47
<DJUnreal>
it can't be command line only if you can get a gui on the clients
21:47
you simply log into the server and run startx
21:47
<dawydiuk>
hmm
21:47
let me try startx
21:47
<DJUnreal>
and it should fire up your x session on the server locally
21:48
i'd be recommending doing this on a local console though, not on an ssh session
21:50
<dawydiuk>
no luck on startx missing packages
21:50
<DJUnreal>
try ctrl+alt+f7
21:50
see if that loads a gui
21:51
<dawydiuk>
no luck
21:51
I installed the ubuntu server command line then added the ltsp-server package
21:52
<DJUnreal>
do your clients actually go all the way through to a gui?
21:52
<dawydiuk>
yep, but isn't that using a different root filesystem
21:52
in /opt/ltsp/i386 vs /
21:52
<DJUnreal>
up to a point
21:53
however if you want to work with that filesystem
21:53
<dawydiuk>
I guess your right I would have to have an x server running on the server
21:53
<DJUnreal>
you can just chroot to it on the server
21:53
<dawydiuk>
thats what I've been doing to tweak the config files, but it's taking a really long time as i have to update the image and see if my changes worked
21:54
I'm thinking apt-get ubuntu-desktop from my server should get the correct packages for startx to work. What do you think?
21:54
<DJUnreal>
uhh... i wouldn't do that tbh
21:54
you want to run xfce4 right?
21:54
<dawydiuk>
yep
21:54
<DJUnreal>
apt-get install xfce4
21:54
and it'll sort the dependencies
21:55
<dawydiuk>
good call
21:55
<DJUnreal>
on our servers here (running debian)
21:55
although we have lxde installed
21:55
we never log in locally on the server
21:55
<dawydiuk>
only 22MB not bad
21:57
failed to load session ubuntu, same error. Off to google
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<alkisg>
dawydiuk: you probably want xubuntu-desktop, not just the xfce package...
22:19
You can modify the default client session with the LDM_SESSION lts.conf variable, or select it from the LDM preferences menu
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<dawydiuk>
I got that part working. Changing the theme and icons is what I'm currently working on
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<dawydiuk>
startxfce4 works!
22:56
thanks guys should be good to go now
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<DJUnreal>
now the next job for me will be sorting out whether i can interrogate the architecture of a machine during its PXE attempt, and therefore redirect it a different way in PXE
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