IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 1 September 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<cyberorg>
johnny, yes, this one is quite easy to handle either way :)
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<johnny>
so dudes/dudettes.. looks like i still have a chance to be in maine .. the ball got rescheduled
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01:32
<Nubae>
cyberorg: can u tell me if Novell offer ltsp support?
01:32
<cyberorg>
Nubae, nope, they have their own thin client thing
01:32
http://www.novell.com/products/thinclient/
01:33
probably one of the reasons they dont know what to do with ltsp :)
01:34
<Nubae>
gosh golly...
01:34
u know I am rewriting the edubuntu handbook as being ltsp based with subsections for os independent stuff
01:35
now how do I write that only Canonical offers paid support
01:35
looks terrible
01:36
take the support part out alltogether and just say its offered by independent contractors?
01:38
<Ryan52>
4,
01:38
<cyberorg>
Nubae, ltsp is community supported :)
01:39
community developed too for all distros, except for rh and canonical
01:40
<Nubae>
cept red hat doesnt offer support
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<doesnotexist>
is there a documentation of ltsp in fedora core 8 or 9?
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<Nubae>
no, Im writing docs for general ltsp, and I will add the os specific parts afterwards
01:54
very little is different though
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<cyberorg>
Nubae, http://en.opensuse.org/Category:LTSP is quite sparse, we have linked edubuntu docs for more details on some pages there :)
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<cyberorg>
Nubae, i've managed to get patched ejabberd in sugar repo too
02:19
have not got around to test it yet
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<kwak>
hi i reinstalled my centos based ltsp server, and I'm getting this error
03:02
parse error in /etc/lts.conf line=13
03:03
i don't understand why, i just restore the old lts.conf from the old server which was working.
03:03
pls help
03:04
<cyberorg>
kwak, what does line 13 have?
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<kwak>
server =192.168.0.254 which is the ltsp server
03:07
doesn't make sense right
03:10
<cyberorg>
it should be SERVER=192.168.0.254
03:12
<Nubae>
and make sure u have a [default] as the very first line
03:12
<doesnotexist>
hey nubae, where can i see those docs?
03:13
if i use ltsp, would it replace thinstation? i mean i wanna do a dumb terminal to ubuntu or fedora (dhcp, tftpd) to windows server 2003
03:13
<Nubae>
right now, nowhere :-) they're on my computer, but If you take the initiative and delete all the nonsensical stuff from launchpad about docos that don't exist and dont make sense and create a new one, I'll be happy to upload there
03:14
doesnotexist: not sure what u are trying to do... load a ubuntu, fedora or windows session as thin client session?
03:14
<doesnotexist>
wait a sec read this..
03:16
<kwak>
it has default and also SERVER=192.168.0.254
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<doesnotexist>
http://fpaste.org/paste/5578
03:17
thats the boot process of the existing dumb terminals here
03:17
<kwak>
i used edubuntu last week, and it was so slow compared to the centos based (k12ltsp) that was installed on the same machine.
03:17
<doesnotexist>
now i wanna upgrade it to ltsp.. im still in the stage of studying tho..
03:19
<Nubae>
doesnotexist: looks like u want to use fedora as the base os and run a thin terminal sessions that is windows 2003
03:19
<doesnotexist>
nubae, have u read the stages in http://fpaste.org/paste/5578, i wanna do the same using ltsp.. the platform would either fedora core 9 or ubuntu
03:20
<Nubae>
should work with a little script that turns on rdp and points to windows 2003 server
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<doesnotexist>
[Nubae] doesnotexist: looks like u want to use fedora as the base os and run a thin terminal sessions that is windows 2003 -- well yes..
03:21
<Nubae>
I've only used ltsp on ubuntu... but from what I see suse's kiwi-ltsp also looks good... Fedora 9 I know well, but not the ltsp side...
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<Nubae>
in any case, the procedure would be the same on each
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<doesnotexist>
where should i start,
03:21
<Nubae>
make a little script that when the user logins in turns on rdp and points to windows 2003 server
03:21
<doesnotexist>
lets say ill use ubuntu as a base os instead?
03:22
<Nubae>
first.... install ubuntu ltsp then
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!edubuntu
03:22
<ltspbot>
Nubae: "edubuntu" is an Ubuntu variant especially tailored for schools. You can find it at http://www.edubuntu.org
03:22
<Nubae>
hmm... there was quick install link, anyway
03:23
download the alternative cd
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then press f4 on startup and choose ltsp setup
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after that, make sure the thin terminals are loading to ldm
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then make the script that directs the session via rdp to windows 2003
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there might be a better way... not sure
03:24
<doesnotexist>
ic..
03:24
coz the one we have is an old school thinstation..
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<Nubae>
what is a thinstation?
03:25
<doesnotexist>
thinstation.sourceforge.net
03:27
<Nubae>
sounds like ltsp with some extra scripts :-)
03:27
<doesnotexist>
well yeah.. :)
03:27
but its a bit confuzing for the migration process :)
03:28
<Nubae>
SESSION_0_TITLE="Company X Terminal server"
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SESSION_0_TYPE=rdesktop
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SESSION_0_SCREEN=0
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SESSION_0_RDESKTOP_SERVER=192.168.1.1
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SESSION_0_RDESKTOP_OPTIONS="-u '' -a 16"
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SESSION_0_AUTOSTART=On
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oops.. sorry for floood
03:29
<doesnotexist>
coz that is the one that is existing, i have the options of either upgrading thingstation or moving to ltsp 5 instead
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<Nubae>
anyway... if that works for autologin, then put it in lts.conf
03:29
I'd move to ltsp5
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<doesnotexist>
nubae, im just a linux noobie.. :P still in the learning process :D
03:30
so scripting would be somehow a pain.. :D
03:30
<Nubae>
I'd imagine though, that the above just logins in one particular user
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<doesnotexist>
well yes
03:31
<Nubae>
its not that bad... just a little startup ldm script... people on here can help u
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<doesnotexist>
it does, it only logs in a single user
03:31
ldm whats ldm?
03:31
<Nubae>
its the startup environment u get when one chooses the session to go into
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<doesnotexist>
anyway ill be online.. still on the planning stage, i still dont have my machine..
03:31
<Nubae>
on the thin client
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like gdm
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<doesnotexist>
ahhh ic ic..
03:32
<Nubae>
so u'd get to the login page, they'd put in their user and pass, and in reality, ldm would create a session that then gives them a rdp session to windows...
03:32
really u're running like a virtual image
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but the user doesn't notice it
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<doesnotexist>
where can i do the startup ldm script? is there a default one?
03:38
with the virtual image, mice and keyboard are fully functional right?
03:47
<loca|host>
hello all
03:48
i have an ubuntu ltsp server, and on my thin client, it boots showing the Ubuntu loader (with the horizontal slider) and then stop saying: BusyBox v1.1.3 .... (initramfs) _
03:51
<johnny>
remove the quiet and splash logos from the pxelinux.cfg file
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err pxelinux.cfg/default
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in your ltsp tftpboot directory
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<kwak>
anyone using centos/ltsp? i'm still stuck with clients having parse error in /etc/lts.conf line=13, some clients are ok.
04:20
<Nubae1>
maybe an extra carriage return?
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<kwak>
does anyone know of an alternative menu for gnome-menu with search functions
04:32
<johnny>
gnome-menu ?
04:32
<Pascal_1>
Bonjour !
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04:35
<doesnotexist>
nubae, what could be wrong? i can't see anything after configuring an ltsp by default config on an ubuntu machine?
04:36
we'r testing ltsp on ubuntu via vmware
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<kwak>
anyone using rdesktop?
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<doesnotexist>
kwak i will but not today.. :D
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<kwak>
ic
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<doesnotexist>
i still don't have the machines that ill use to test and play with ltsp
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<Nubae>
u're using the alternate cd download?
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<randra>
is the easiest way
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<loca|host>
i still have the (initramfs)_ console at boot, after getting my IP address, it says: Negotiation: Error: Server closed connection and then, it fails mounting /rofs, /dev and other mpoints
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08:22
<ogra>
your nbdrootd isnt being started or the client requests nbd from a wrong IP
08:23
grep nbdrootd /etc/inetd.conf ?
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(on the server)
08:32
<loca|host>
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
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it's listening
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and nothing is established
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08:39
<loca|host>
anyone ?
08:39
<ogra>
well, i wonder if your network is working properly
08:39
and managed switch in the way or any other oddities ?
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(and indeed does /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img on the server exist ?)
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<randra>
ogra i`m using here LTSP 4.2 running on debian 4.0
08:45
have vlans configured on my network
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<ogra>
randra, ?
08:45* ogra wonders what randra is referring to
08:45
<ogra>
randra, i cant help much with ltsp 4.x
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<randra>
humm
08:45
ogra sorry
08:46
<ogra>
people knowing about that old stuff are rare nowadays
08:46
<randra>
hehe but i think this is a simple problem
08:46
only machines of vlan 0 same of LTSP server can load kernel
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others TC of others vlans, can`t
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vim /etc/exports have *(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
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<Nubae>
randra: u could masquerade the 2 vlans
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<randra>
Nubae ?
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<Nubae>
it seems that one of the vlans is being blocked by firewall
08:57
only explanation that comes to mind
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<randra>
humm
08:59
Solved,
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<randra>
i created a new route dfault for my vlans, adding nexthop with my L3 switch
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<Nubae>
right.... routing prob... not really ltsp related
09:02
<randra>
exactly =)
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<Decerebrado>
Hello. I tryed the new ltsp with ubuntu 8.04, but it takes forever to boot! I wish to use the older version of ltsp, it was working fine. I can configure everythng, but I cannot conect to my server via xdmcp.
09:17
any ideas??
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<Decerebrado>
Hello. I tryed the new ltsp with ubuntu 8.04, but it takes forever to boot! I wish to use the older version of ltsp, it was working fine. I can configure everythng, but I cannot conect to my server via xdmcp.
09:20
<Nubae>
asking the question twice wont get u any medals :-)
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<Decerebrado>
sorry...
09:22
this problem is driving me crazy!!! I think I'll downgrade to 7.04!!
09:23
<laga>
7.04 will be EOL'ed in a month or so
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<Decerebrado>
so.. it's really not recomended...
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but this problem... I've searched everywhere...
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all I could find is that the session is exported though ssh -x not via xdmcp
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but I could not find a way to revert that
09:27
nobody seens to know how to do it... looks like i'll be stuck with 7.04 :-(
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<Nubae>
it should not forever, I've notice 8.04 be comparably faster than 7.04 in loading
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<Decerebrado>
me too this motivated me to migrate.
09:30
and as opposed to M$, in linux world the newer is better!!
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but not this time. seems that something was modified and undocumented
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<Nubae>
well, use newest ubuntu (8.04.2)
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download alternate cd and press f4
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then choose ltsp installation
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the default should show u how fast it actually is
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<Decerebrado>
it is happening since ubuntu 7.10
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<Nubae>
is it a new install?
09:32
<laga>
i guess Decerebrado doesnt like LTSP 5 ;)
09:32
what thin clients do you have?
09:32
<Decerebrado>
yeah a new remote boot server
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<Decerebrado>
i have lots of 486 and pentium machines
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<Nubae>
ltsp 5 will handle the pentium machines fine, but 486s
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...
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<Decerebrado>
I have tested one with ltsp 5... 30 minutes.. stil loading nbi..
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<Nubae>
that is totally not normal...
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well, never tried a 486, but with pentium 128mb not normal
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<Decerebrado>
the pentiums I have are 16mb
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<Nubae>
haha
09:34
ok
09:34
:-)
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<Decerebrado>
I even put etherboot on the bios of some
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<Nubae>
time for an upgrade in hardware my friend
09:35
minimum for ltsp 5 is certainly pentium 400mhz with 128mb ram, per machine
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or it will not run nicely
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<Decerebrado>
oops!!! but, what will I do with these old machines??
09:36
just throw away does not seem right...
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<Nubae>
look... bought refurbished pentium 2s with 128mb ram for under 20$ per machine
09:37
you can put the machines u have out of their mysery and upgrade
09:37
u should recycle, not throw away ;-)
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<Decerebrado>
yeah, that's the idea!!!
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<Nubae>
recycle in this case means, go to a place where pcs go to die
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<Decerebrado>
but I still can't understand the xdmcp thing
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<Nubae>
and dump them
09:39
u wont get any support under ltsp 5 on here, and its a marvel ltsp 4.2 could do 16mb ram... how long did it take to load?
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<Decerebrado>
the slowest about 5 minutes...
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the fastest, almost instantly
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<Nubae>
just upgrade dood.... really
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<Nubae>
they are throwing away pentiums with 128mb ram away these days, and they will load up instantly with ltsp 5
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you're asking for trouble sticking with what u've got...
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<Decerebrado>
sure... a total failure is imminent!!!
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<genioso>
pt-br
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?
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<randra>
genioso? fala ltsp-br
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<Nubae>
really, theres a portuguese channel just for ltsp?
10:05
<randra>
yes
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i`m brazilian, guarald is too
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<Nubae>
nice... debo ver, para practiquar meu portugues
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<randra>
ahhh ok, when u want
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<Nubae>
voces faix trabalho com escolas la en Brazil?
10:09
god, without practice, os idiomas vam o caralho
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<randra>
maybe, i have ltsp running on my factory and i`m thinking to make a TCC with LTSP
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<Nubae>
it totally makes sense... I'm sure if you show the cost savings, schools would jump
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hell they almost jumped for the classmate... good thing that didn't work though
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<randra>
of course, of course
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<Nubae>
I've worked for both olpc and ltsp based systems
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there is NO comparison...
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using wireless crummy little laptops is light years away from what ltsp can do...
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<randra>
i don`t know explain right, im brazil when u finish a school ( faculty ), all students need to make a final work
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<Nubae>
farla em portugues si querem, I'll understand...
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<randra>
and i`m think to make about ltsp
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<loca|host>
I have a successfull Negotiation at boot, but right after it says: Error: Server closed connection and then fails mounting /rofs, /sys and other mpoints ...
10:14
<Nubae>
school or university?
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<randra>
Faculdade
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<Nubae>
uni
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<randra>
Estou terminando Redes de Computadores
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<Nubae>
k... would be awsome, I'm working on documentation for ltsp.... if u need help, just ask
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<randra>
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<genioso>
#ltsp-br
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<randra>
genioso? entra entao
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<Nubae>
genioso: faiz: /join #ltsp-br
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<cilkay>
Hello. I have a mix of older machines which wouldn't be all that pleasant to run as fat clients and some modern machines which could even serve as LTSP servers. I like the idea of centralizing deployment via LTSP but I don'w want to squander the resources of the machines which have huge amounts of resources to throw at running local apps. How feasible is it to run virtually all the apps locally on the more powerful m
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achines and yet still have them netbooting?
14:50
I suppose that raises the question, "Why bother with LTSP for the more powerful machines?"
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The answer is simply that I want to ease the administrative burden of a school environment where we need to have fairly tight control over the machines while still taking advantage of the hardware resources we have locally.
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The server will be a P4 3.6 with 1.5GB RAM, 500GB SATA drive. I can upgrade the RAM to 4GB in that machine, if necessary.
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Currently, it's only running Windows 2003 Server which doesn't do anything that Samba couldn't do but I still want to keep it around in case we need to deploy some Windows apps via Terminal Services.
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I've managed to virtualize W2k3 in my test environment and have it running in VMWare server on Kubuntu locally.
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I'
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m not married to K/Ubuntu so I could use other distros if it makes life easier.
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The clients range from P2/350 with 64M RAM to Core2 Duo with 4GB of RAM.
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The Core2 machines would make nice LTSP servers too but they're used as desktop machines in the lab.
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I would especially like to use those C2D machines as LTSP clients with locally-installed apps.
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<johnny>
cilkay, it sure is possible
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some people call that fat clients
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<cilkay>
I'm reading about KIWI-LTSP http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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<johnny>
some folks here have been working fat clients on top of ubuntu
15:19
not sure about on top of kiwi
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<cilkay>
I deployed LTSP once about 7 years ago. I recall reading about a computer lab at University of Geneva where users would get a boot menu with choices for Linux or Windows.
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<cilkay>
Whatever they selected, the machine would be reimaged in about the same time as it would take to boot.
15:20
That seemed like a great system, particularly for a school lab.
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I tried finding it again but can't.
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BTW, I'm more comfortable with K/Ubuntu than Suse so running Kubuntu fat clients would suit me fine.
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KIWI just seemed to offer some interesting features.
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<johnny>
there's some kiwi folks around this channel.. i'm sure they'll pipe up when they are about.. slow day
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<loca|host>
i keep getting a Server closed connection after a successfull Negociation at boot, where to find logs to understand what's the matter ?
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<warren>
hmmm, does bzr have anything like git where you can export checkins as diff files with metadata?
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<johnny>
who's about?
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<ingrid>
Hi Ogra, I was able to set up ubuntu with ltsp 5, the printers are working with the thin clients (attached locally) :)
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<ingrid>
But I now have a new problem, Firefox flash does not have audio/sound for the thin clients
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anyone here can help me?
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<johnny>
warren, i see what you did in your client initscripts, and i need to do the same thing
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err initscript
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we could put that rootfs detection into a function?