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Channel log from 1 October 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Marie_untu>
how can I take a screenshot of the ldm login screen??
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or how can I preview it??
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<Egyptian[Home]>
http://sourceforge.net/projects/automseat/
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<Marie_untu>
hey egyptian, that link has something to do with my question?
06:10
come on plp, dont be shame... :)
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<killsalad>
hi all - Have you ever have tested virtual LTSP enviroment - i mean e.g. Virtual box with ltsp server and clients all as virtual machines ?
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<ogra>
killsalad, thats how most of us do development
06:27
<killsalad>
silly me ;) - How can i setup a virtualbox and host machine ?
06:27* ogra can tell you for ubuntu :)
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<killsalad>
ubuntu is kosher
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<ogra>
but for the others it might work similar
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so set up a vm with 4-5G virtual disk and 512M ram
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create a second NIC for the internal network
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then get the ubuntu alternate CD
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<ogra>
use the iso as CDrom and start the vm ... hit F4 and select "install ltsp server" from the popup menu
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!ubuntu
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<ltspbot`>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<ogra>
the second link has a detaled description
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<ogra>
if you are done, create another vw without disk, and set the NIC to the sme internal network, set up netbooting in the preferences for that vm
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<ogra>
it also helps to limit the graphics ram to 2M, that will force the screen size to 800x600
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s/vw/vm/
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boot the server, then boot the client ... thats it
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Marie_untu, with something like the above setup you can easily do screenshots from the client vm btw
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doing them on a physical client would require a lot of hackery
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<ogra>
i.e. setting up a script that executes xwd from the screen.d script of ldm might be a possibility ... but then you need to find a way to copy them to the server
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and convert them indeed, xwd only does raw screengrabs (see man xwd)
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<killsalad>
ok thanks
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<gate_keeper_>
hey guys, i've setup gdm theme on ltsp server with user list on it
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when i login through thin client
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it keeps showing me up the human gdm ubuntu theme
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how to fix this
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to load the default gdm theme
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i don't get ...
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<Marie_untu>
gate_keeper: ltsp use lmd, have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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<gate_keeper_>
ok
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thx
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:)
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<gate_keeper_>
to change them with /usr/share/gdm/themes?
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<krishna>
helo, I have an ltsp server on a debian/lenny box, and the ldm clock shows the wrong time, though the machine clock is right. It does not seem to be a TZ mistake, cause the minutes are wrong too...
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how can I set the correct time for the ldm clock?
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<fgiraldeau>
krishna: ldm uses localtime() function, so it takes into account the timezone. You should adjust the timezone inside client root.
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<krishna>
fgiraldeau: ok, i'll check that
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<monteslu>
ogra, you around?
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any ubuntu ltsp people?
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I'm having a nasty time with 8.04
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<racquad>
hi everybody! does anyone here have any experience with LTSP and HA?
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cluster, for instance...
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<frin>
nubae: nice post about ocropus.. :)
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have you tried to compare it with gocr?
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<lejo_>
racquad: what do you want to cluster?
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<johnny>
there's something called ltsp-cluster i've seen, but i don't know anything about it.
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<racquad>
lejo_: I want to build a high availability system running LTSP. If I have only one server, if it goes down, my whole net is down
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lejo_: that's what I want to avoid
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<johnny>
look at ltsp-cluster
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<racquad>
johnny: where?
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<johnny>
i don't know
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i just heard somebody mention it
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stgraber in fact
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<racquad>
I need more info. I need documents to read, howtos, whitepapers, anything
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<Armagnac>
Hi LTSP
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can somebody tell me how can I set per client hostnames???
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<johnny>
do ti in the dns
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and dhcp
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that's why i use dnsmasq..
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<stgraber>
racquad: https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster
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racquad: it used to be known as Mille-Xterm, I'm working for the company who's working on that. My main goal is to have it more closely integrated with standard LTSP.
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<Armagnac>
I had set the DHCP3 config file as
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host user1 {
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...
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}
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and in the DNS also
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<stgraber>
We have it deployed at some school districts here in Canada (Quebec) on over 2000 clients (some more k to come) and used by over 40k users
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racquad: if you want any more info on it, feel free to contact me or fgiraldeau (currently out for lunch)
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: did you catch my comments the other day regarding your patches?
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: I don't think so, where did you send it ?
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: just in irc ...
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should've replied to the list ...
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<stgraber>
ok, so probably somewhere in my backlog :)
12:35* vagrantc wonders if anyone still has them in backlog
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<stgraber>
I don't :) (just checked)
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<racquad>
stgraber: thanks a lot! I need to deploy a small network, not more than 6 clients, but it must be 100% uptime
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: mostly smallish things
12:38* ogra-maemo probably, but on a different device
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: for the password thing, doing a "while ! passwd ..." instead of the set +e, set -e stuff ...
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stgraber: only setting PULSE_SERVER if SOUND=true
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stgraber: using "visudo -c" to check the sudo edits ...
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stgraber: and for the password matching, i was also thinking it should eventually fail, rather than an infinite loop
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stgraber: er, passwd call
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probably the typical 3 tries or something
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stgraber: i should have time today to merge them, and make some of those changes :)
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: great
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vagrantc: I'll also have a small patch for ldm's screen.d script. likely a 3-liner
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: so the cluster stuff you're doing is high availability and scaleability?
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: yeah, some customers want scalability some others want HA and some wants both
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ltsp-cluster itself is done for scalability but you can install all services on HA platforms (installing each services twice and using heartbeat or similar things)
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: can you also apply a small patch on ldm-trunk ? just a three liner, I don't think it's worth me creating a branch for it
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/fdc6b8
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: that seems like an unusual use-case ... how common would it be to run ldm only a single time?
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: it's for us as we need to set some variables every-time someone logs out
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: to make him switch to another server or set the session as auto-login, ...
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our customers want to be able to switch a computer from standard login to autologin or to rdesktop client without having to reboot
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so we have our own loop that checks that and set the env variables accordingly
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<vagrantc>
fair enough :)
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although, how does that actually accomplish that? won't they just end up with a console at that point?
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<stgraber>
no, they actually start ldm-cluster that has the loop and calls the ldm session script
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so they don't start screen.d/ldm directly but screen.d/ldm-cluster that then calls screen.d/ldm
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: got it. :)
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<stgraber>
we used to just have a fork of screen.d/ldm but with that three-liner I can get rid of over 100 duplicate lines in our script :)
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: ok, i'll commit that.
13:29* vagrantc plays with bzr ci --author
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<stgraber>
thanks
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<ogra>
vagrantc, btw, does debian have debcommit -r ?
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it automatically tags bzr trees
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(its a new policy in ubuntu for packages built from trees)
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<vagrantc>
ogra: i haven't messed with debcommit at all
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ogra: but -r is present
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<ogra>
its pretty nice for native stuff
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<vagrantc>
yeah, looks handy
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: this password patch takes a while to really test...
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i should've remembered to do a minimal install
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<stgraber>
yeah and it currently doesn't work with Intrepid due to some weird PAM bug (basically returning 0 even if passwords don't match)
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<vagrantc>
seems to be working with debian lenny, at least :)
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: do you think it's ok to finish up ltsp-build-client even if the passwords never match ?
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<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "try passwords 3 times and just go ahead" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/10
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: that's basically what i'm looking at ^^
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: yes, failling after 3 tries seems like a good idea
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: hmm... then i'll have to re-write it a little.
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stgraber: right now it tries 3 times, but then continues on even if all three tries fail
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well, not too difficult ... although the logic looks a little messy
14:35* vagrantc pushes
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<vagrantc>
hmmmm... debian experimental doesn't work so well.
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i gotta write my pinning plugin one of these days to handle experimental and *-backports
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<stgraber>
ogra: hey, did you have an idea of what's wrong with udev since last time we discussed it ?
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ogra: looks like the non-matching part is ENV{ID_TYPE}=="disk" though using udevadm this property seems to be correctly set ...
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<stgraber>
ogra: and why not using upstream's udev rules ?
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: the udev rules for ltspfs are my doing
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stgraber: ogra just pulled them from debian without changes
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<stgraber>
ok, so they don't apply on Ubuntu ...
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<stgraber>
I'm not really sure why as I correctly see all the properties ...
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<vagrantc>
what do you mean they don't apply on Ubuntu ?
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52963/
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that's the usb key I'm using and the rule that should apply to it (from your rules file)
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and it doesn't
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removing ENV{ID_TYPE}=="disk" from it makes it work (but I don't understand why)
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<vagrantc>
that's... weird.
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<stgraber>
yeah
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: i just merged your ubuntu plugins as is, and implemented slight variations for the PULSE_SERVER with localapps and password handling
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<stgraber>
great
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: could do a little clean-up on the plugins, but i don't want to bother and don't really have an Ubuntu environment to test with
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<stgraber>
yeah, it maybe should have a warning so the user is aware he'll be using PPAs
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<stgraber>
as our packages won't make it for Intrepid (iTalc should though)
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<Lns>
hey - is there a bot function that can alert IRC of a mailing list post? That might help "connect" all of these different communication channels for LTSP related stuff. Just a thought.
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<ogra>
stgraber, debian uses differences to upstream, upstream clearly defines custom rules have to be avbove 60 or some such
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or it might be 80
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debian ignores that and adds them at 50, which means they get overridden in ubuntu by system rules
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i guess we just need to bump the numbering
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stgraber, i'll inspect that and dicuss it with Keybuk the next days
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*discuss
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<stgraber>
ogra: cool
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ogra: but why would the rule suddenly work when removing ENV{ID_TYPE} ?
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<ogra>
no idea, i hope Keybuk can shed light on it
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<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "dbus errors on login in ~/.xsession-errors" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/11
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<vagrantc>
we've got a hardy application server at freegeek, and the users just stopped being able to log in... ^^
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s,hardy,ubuntu hardy,g
17:32* vagrantc makes a key distinction
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<vagrantc>
not sure exactly when they stopped being able to log in...
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<ogra>
** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-jDZWus7195/agent.7195
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??
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i dont think the dbus message is really at fault
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<vagrantc>
ok, so maybe it's something else.
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<ogra>
check for hanging sshd's
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<vagrantc>
it doesn't need the ssh agent, though
17:36
no hung sshd's
17:37
<ogra>
gnome-session looks for it
17:37
<vagrantc>
lots of dbus-daemon, gvfsd*, trackerd, bonobo-activation-server and gnome-vfs-daemon processes still running
17:38
<ogra>
uuuh
17:38* ogra recommeds to remove tracker from ltsp servers
17:38
<vagrantc>
heh
17:38
<ogra>
its disabled by default
17:38
but users are able to enable it
17:39
<vagrantc>
this is still logging in with sdm, so i'm guessing LTSP_CLIENT isn't set.
17:40* ogra has no idea why that should influence anything
17:40
<vagrantc>
well, if you said it's disabled by default, i don't know how else it would determine it's an LTSP login vs. some other login
17:41
<ogra>
but tracker isnt checking for LTSP_CLIENT
17:41
tracker only checks a gconf key which is off by default on hardy
17:41
but users can enable it
17:42
<vagrantc>
ah
17:43
<ogra>
check for mounted ~/.gvfs dirs of logged out users
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17:43* vagrantc reboots
17:43
<ogra>
might be that this plays a role
17:44
<vagrantc>
but i'll keep that in mind if it happens again
17:44* stgraber just spent an hour creating a BIOS floppy disk for a server ... why can't BIOS developers just generate a .iso (HP does) :)
17:45
<ogra>
because most BIOS devs still use DOS 5.x
17:45
<stgraber>
btw, doesmu is great for generating .img, you just create an empty .img, make dosemu use it then start that .exe crap you got from the BIOS manufacturer
17:45
<ogra>
i even saw some using 4.x
17:46
*recently* at a well known company
17:46
<stgraber>
well, that's a Intel server board so I'd have expected them to consider that most of their user won't use a old Windows on that kind of things :)
17:46
<ogra>
its all about the OEM ...
17:47
even if intel builds the whole board, the OEM puts the BIOS on it
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<stgraber>
nah, that's a Intel product
17:47
I had to download the BIOS from Intel's webiste
17:48
*website
17:48
<ogra>
ah
17:49
<stgraber>
I want our LTSP devel server to have hyper-threading turned on, the CPU has the HT flag in /etc/cpuinfo but the BIOS doesn't show the option
17:49
as we are like 8 BIOS revisions behind, I hope the new one will suddenly bring the HT option
17:50
<ogra>
note that there are dual cores that dont suport HT
17:50
i own one
17:54* ogra wonders about jammcqs last mail to ltsp-discuss
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<stgraber>
ogra: I guess you are speaking of VT (virtualization) on Core2Duo where indeed some don't have it. I'm speaking of HT (hyper-threading) which is the virtual dual-core of Pentium4.
17:59
<ogra>
oh, right, sorry mixed that up
18:02
<vagrantc>
hrm. reboot didn't fix the problem ...
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<vagrantc>
and there aren't any processes running as that user
18:05
<ogra>
stale sockets ?
18:05
<vagrantc>
ogra: where would i look?
18:06
<ogra>
well, actually in /tmp, but that should have been cleaned after the reboot
18:07
<vagrantc>
there's a /tmp/gconfd-$user, orbit-, seahorse-* all owned by the user
18:07
but that's after they failed to log in
18:12
<stgraber>
vagrantc: hehe, just noticed something. It looks like I forgot to push one of my commits :)
18:13
<vagrantc>
stgraber: :P
18:13
<stgraber>
Can you remove "--no-install-recommends" from t030-ltsp-cluster ?
18:13
<vagrantc>
or i didn't pull them
18:13
looks like there was one patch i hadn't pulled
18:14
<stgraber>
the other change in that rev is that I add iTalc's PPA but I plan to have the package uploaded in Intrepid before RC so I probablly won't need it
18:15
<vagrantc>
stgraber: so i shouldn't include that?
18:15
<stgraber>
just remove the --no-install-recommends and don't add italc's PPA
18:20
<ogra>
note that --no-install-recommends is a default apt setting in intrepids ltsp
18:20
you dont need to set it explicitly and to unset it you need to change APT_GET_OPTS completely
18:21
or reset them and seed them newly without --no-install-recommends rather
18:26
<stgraber>
oh, ok. I'll have a look tomorrow and make sure we don't have problems with our packages (I'm pretty sure some of them expect Intrepid's behavior for recommends)
18:26
anyway, I can handle in the packaging so I shouldn't have to force recommends, if I do I can just make these standard recommends
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18:37
<stgraber>
Yeah, I have ltsp-cluster integration in italc-launcher done :)
18:37
if avahi is present, it scans using avahi, then if ltsp-cluster is present, it also scans using ltsp-cluster
18:38
and if none of them is present it just starts with an empty classroom
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18:40
<ogra>
sweet
18:41
<stgraber>
yeah, I also make avahi-utils a Suggest so we don't get it installed by default
18:42
when installed italc will use it
18:45
well, I'm not really sure if I should make it a Suggest or a Recommend :)
18:46
1) I want iTalc to be easy to use so having it a Recommends make sense
18:46
2) I remember moving it to Suggest because avahi got installed in my LTSP chroot
18:46
now that you say that 2 shouldn't happen, I may well move both back to Recommends
18:51
ogra: suggestions ?
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<ogra>
well, can you look up how much ram it uses ?
18:52
if its not to much i wouldnt object having it in the chroot
18:55
<stgraber>
avahi 5230 0.0 0.0 2888 1444 ? Ss 15:53 0:00 avahi-daemon: running [ltsp.local]
18:55
avahi 5231 0.0 0.0 2888 500 ? Ss 15:53 0:00 avahi-daemon: chroot helper
18:57
<ogra>
hmm, mdns would indeed be a problem
18:57
all clients are ltsp.local
18:59
<stgraber>
indeed
19:00
<ogra>
putting a script in place that rips off the last bit of the IP and adds it to the hostname might help ;)
19:01
<stgraber>
so having it a Recommend for italc-client should make it installed on workstations but not on thin clients right ?
19:01
<ogra>
right
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<stgraber>
ok, package updated with these changes.
19:16
I'll do some testing tomorrow and then upload it somewhere for update (after beta-freeze)
19:19
<ogra>
great
19:19* ogra goes to bed now
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<edubuntufan>
hi
21:22
am I on?
21:22
msg nickserv set hidemail on
21:22
is this working?
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<edubuntufan>
I am on ow.
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<Quiliro>
hello folks
22:12
trying to install ltsp in gnewsense
22:13
there are some changes not made from ubuntu (the base system) to the gnewsense version
22:13
I would like to know how to debug ltsp-build-client
22:14
tryed --debug and --verbose
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<Quiliro>
i guess i mistyped
22:15
i got --debug to work
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23:54
<Quiliro>
hello
23:55
<johnny>
jo
23:56
hi
23:58
<Quiliro>
hey johnny.....am trying to use ltsp with gnewsense
23:58
its based on ubuntu
23:58
but i have problems because it still looks for ubuntu
23:58
would it be easier to compile ltsp directly?
23:59
<Ryan52>
ltsp isn't compiled. it's all scripts.
23:59
what are you having problems with?