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Channel log from 1 October 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 06:07 | <Marie_untu> how can I take a screenshot of the ldm login screen??
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| 06:07 | or how can I preview it??
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| 06:08 | <Egyptian[Home]> http://sourceforge.net/projects/automseat/
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| 06:09 | <Marie_untu> hey egyptian, that link has something to do with my question?
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| 06:10 | come on plp, dont be shame... :)
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| 06:22 | <killsalad> hi all - Have you ever have tested virtual LTSP enviroment - i mean e.g. Virtual box with ltsp server and clients all as virtual machines ?
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| 06:26 | <ogra> killsalad, thats how most of us do development
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| 06:27 | <killsalad> silly me ;) - How can i setup a virtualbox and host machine ?
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| 06:27 | * ogra can tell you for ubuntu :) | |
| 06:28 | <killsalad> ubuntu is kosher
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| 06:28 | <ogra> but for the others it might work similar
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| 06:28 | so set up a vm with 4-5G virtual disk and 512M ram
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| 06:28 | create a second NIC for the internal network
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| 06:29 | then get the ubuntu alternate CD
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| 06:29 | <ogra> use the iso as CDrom and start the vm ... hit F4 and select "install ltsp server" from the popup menu
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| 06:29 | !ubuntu
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| 06:29 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 06:30 | <ogra> the second link has a detaled description
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| 06:30 | <ogra> if you are done, create another vw without disk, and set the NIC to the sme internal network, set up netbooting in the preferences for that vm
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| 06:31 | <ogra> it also helps to limit the graphics ram to 2M, that will force the screen size to 800x600
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| 06:31 | s/vw/vm/
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| 06:32 | boot the server, then boot the client ... thats it
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| 06:33 | Marie_untu, with something like the above setup you can easily do screenshots from the client vm btw
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| 06:34 | doing them on a physical client would require a lot of hackery
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| 06:35 | <ogra> i.e. setting up a script that executes xwd from the screen.d script of ldm might be a possibility ... but then you need to find a way to copy them to the server
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| 06:35 | and convert them indeed, xwd only does raw screengrabs (see man xwd)
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| 06:43 | <killsalad> ok thanks
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| 06:53 | <gate_keeper_> hey guys, i've setup gdm theme on ltsp server with user list on it
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| 06:53 | when i login through thin client
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| 06:53 | it keeps showing me up the human gdm ubuntu theme
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| 06:53 | how to fix this
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| 06:53 | to load the default gdm theme
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| 06:53 | i don't get ...
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| 07:50 | <Marie_untu> gate_keeper: ltsp use lmd, have a look at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 08:18 | <gate_keeper_> ok
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| 08:18 | thx
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| 08:18 | :)
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| 08:24 | <gate_keeper_> to change them with /usr/share/gdm/themes?
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| 08:45 | <krishna> helo, I have an ltsp server on a debian/lenny box, and the ldm clock shows the wrong time, though the machine clock is right. It does not seem to be a TZ mistake, cause the minutes are wrong too...
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| 08:45 | how can I set the correct time for the ldm clock?
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| 09:01 | <fgiraldeau> krishna: ldm uses localtime() function, so it takes into account the timezone. You should adjust the timezone inside client root.
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| 09:02 | <krishna> fgiraldeau: ok, i'll check that
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| 11:14 | <monteslu> ogra, you around?
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| 11:14 | any ubuntu ltsp people?
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| 11:14 | I'm having a nasty time with 8.04
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| 11:15 | <racquad> hi everybody! does anyone here have any experience with LTSP and HA?
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| 11:16 | cluster, for instance...
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| 11:34 | <frin> nubae: nice post about ocropus.. :)
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| 11:34 | have you tried to compare it with gocr?
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| 11:34 | <lejo_> racquad: what do you want to cluster?
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| 11:39 | <johnny> there's something called ltsp-cluster i've seen, but i don't know anything about it.
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| 12:06 | <racquad> lejo_: I want to build a high availability system running LTSP. If I have only one server, if it goes down, my whole net is down
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| 12:07 | lejo_: that's what I want to avoid
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| 12:07 | <johnny> look at ltsp-cluster
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| 12:14 | <racquad> johnny: where?
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| 12:14 | <johnny> i don't know
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| 12:14 | i just heard somebody mention it
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| 12:14 | stgraber in fact
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| 12:20 | <racquad> I need more info. I need documents to read, howtos, whitepapers, anything
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| 12:25 | <Armagnac> Hi LTSP
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| 12:25 | can somebody tell me how can I set per client hostnames???
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| 12:29 | <johnny> do ti in the dns
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| 12:29 | and dhcp
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| 12:29 | that's why i use dnsmasq..
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| 12:31 | <stgraber> racquad: https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster
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| 12:32 | racquad: it used to be known as Mille-Xterm, I'm working for the company who's working on that. My main goal is to have it more closely integrated with standard LTSP.
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| 12:32 | <Armagnac> I had set the DHCP3 config file as
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| 12:32 | host user1 {
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| 12:33 | ...
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| 12:33 | }
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| 12:33 | and in the DNS also
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| 12:33 | <stgraber> We have it deployed at some school districts here in Canada (Quebec) on over 2000 clients (some more k to come) and used by over 40k users
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| 12:33 | racquad: if you want any more info on it, feel free to contact me or fgiraldeau (currently out for lunch)
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| 12:34 | <vagrantc> stgraber: did you catch my comments the other day regarding your patches?
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| 12:35 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I don't think so, where did you send it ?
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> stgraber: just in irc ...
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| 12:35 | should've replied to the list ...
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| 12:35 | <stgraber> ok, so probably somewhere in my backlog :)
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| 12:35 | * vagrantc wonders if anyone still has them in backlog | |
| 12:35 | <stgraber> I don't :) (just checked)
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| 12:38 | <racquad> stgraber: thanks a lot! I need to deploy a small network, not more than 6 clients, but it must be 100% uptime
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| 12:38 | <vagrantc> stgraber: mostly smallish things
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| 12:38 | * ogra-maemo probably, but on a different device | |
| 12:39 | <vagrantc> stgraber: for the password thing, doing a "while ! passwd ..." instead of the set +e, set -e stuff ...
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| 12:39 | stgraber: only setting PULSE_SERVER if SOUND=true
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| 12:40 | stgraber: using "visudo -c" to check the sudo edits ...
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| 12:41 | stgraber: and for the password matching, i was also thinking it should eventually fail, rather than an infinite loop
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| 12:41 | stgraber: er, passwd call
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| 12:42 | probably the typical 3 tries or something
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| 12:44 | stgraber: i should have time today to merge them, and make some of those changes :)
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| 12:45 | <stgraber> vagrantc: great
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| 12:45 | vagrantc: I'll also have a small patch for ldm's screen.d script. likely a 3-liner
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| 12:49 | <vagrantc> stgraber: so the cluster stuff you're doing is high availability and scaleability?
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| 13:04 | <stgraber> vagrantc: yeah, some customers want scalability some others want HA and some wants both
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| 13:04 | ltsp-cluster itself is done for scalability but you can install all services on HA platforms (installing each services twice and using heartbeat or similar things)
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| 13:08 | <stgraber> vagrantc: can you also apply a small patch on ldm-trunk ? just a three liner, I don't think it's worth me creating a branch for it
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| 13:11 | <stgraber> vagrantc: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/fdc6b8
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| 13:17 | <vagrantc> stgraber: that seems like an unusual use-case ... how common would it be to run ldm only a single time?
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| 13:19 | <stgraber> vagrantc: it's for us as we need to set some variables every-time someone logs out
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| 13:19 | <stgraber> vagrantc: to make him switch to another server or set the session as auto-login, ...
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| 13:20 | our customers want to be able to switch a computer from standard login to autologin or to rdesktop client without having to reboot
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| 13:20 | so we have our own loop that checks that and set the env variables accordingly
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> fair enough :)
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| 13:21 | although, how does that actually accomplish that? won't they just end up with a console at that point?
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| 13:21 | <stgraber> no, they actually start ldm-cluster that has the loop and calls the ldm session script
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| 13:22 | so they don't start screen.d/ldm directly but screen.d/ldm-cluster that then calls screen.d/ldm
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| 13:23 | <vagrantc> stgraber: got it. :)
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| 13:24 | <stgraber> we used to just have a fork of screen.d/ldm but with that three-liner I can get rid of over 100 duplicate lines in our script :)
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> stgraber: ok, i'll commit that.
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| 13:29 | * vagrantc plays with bzr ci --author | |
| 13:31 | <stgraber> thanks
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| 13:33 | <ogra> vagrantc, btw, does debian have debcommit -r ?
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| 13:33 | it automatically tags bzr trees
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| 13:33 | (its a new policy in ubuntu for packages built from trees)
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| 13:35 | <vagrantc> ogra: i haven't messed with debcommit at all
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| 13:36 | ogra: but -r is present
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| 13:36 | <ogra> its pretty nice for native stuff
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| 13:37 | <vagrantc> yeah, looks handy
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| 13:50 | <vagrantc> stgraber: this password patch takes a while to really test...
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| 13:50 | i should've remembered to do a minimal install
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| 13:56 | <stgraber> yeah and it currently doesn't work with Intrepid due to some weird PAM bug (basically returning 0 even if passwords don't match)
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc> seems to be working with debian lenny, at least :)
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> stgraber: do you think it's ok to finish up ltsp-build-client even if the passwords never match ?
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| 14:00 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "try passwords 3 times and just go ahead" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/10
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> stgraber: that's basically what i'm looking at ^^
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| 14:22 | <stgraber> vagrantc: yes, failling after 3 tries seems like a good idea
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc> stgraber: hmm... then i'll have to re-write it a little.
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| 14:33 | stgraber: right now it tries 3 times, but then continues on even if all three tries fail
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| 14:35 | well, not too difficult ... although the logic looks a little messy
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| 14:35 | * vagrantc pushes | |
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> hmmmm... debian experimental doesn't work so well.
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| 14:55 | i gotta write my pinning plugin one of these days to handle experimental and *-backports
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| 15:02 | <stgraber> ogra: hey, did you have an idea of what's wrong with udev since last time we discussed it ?
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| 15:03 | ogra: looks like the non-matching part is ENV{ID_TYPE}=="disk" though using udevadm this property seems to be correctly set ...
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| 15:11 | <stgraber> ogra: and why not using upstream's udev rules ?
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> stgraber: the udev rules for ltspfs are my doing
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| 15:27 | stgraber: ogra just pulled them from debian without changes
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| 15:27 | <stgraber> ok, so they don't apply on Ubuntu ...
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| 15:28 | <stgraber> I'm not really sure why as I correctly see all the properties ...
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| 15:29 | <vagrantc> what do you mean they don't apply on Ubuntu ?
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| 15:35 | <stgraber> vagrantc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52963/
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| 15:35 | that's the usb key I'm using and the rule that should apply to it (from your rules file)
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| 15:35 | and it doesn't
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| 15:35 | removing ENV{ID_TYPE}=="disk" from it makes it work (but I don't understand why)
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| 15:36 | <vagrantc> that's... weird.
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| 15:36 | <stgraber> yeah
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i just merged your ubuntu plugins as is, and implemented slight variations for the PULSE_SERVER with localapps and password handling
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| 15:43 | <stgraber> great
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> stgraber: could do a little clean-up on the plugins, but i don't want to bother and don't really have an Ubuntu environment to test with
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| 15:44 | <stgraber> yeah, it maybe should have a warning so the user is aware he'll be using PPAs
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| 15:44 | <stgraber> as our packages won't make it for Intrepid (iTalc should though)
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| 16:02 | <Lns> hey - is there a bot function that can alert IRC of a mailing list post? That might help "connect" all of these different communication channels for LTSP related stuff. Just a thought.
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| 16:47 | <ogra> stgraber, debian uses differences to upstream, upstream clearly defines custom rules have to be avbove 60 or some such
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| 16:47 | or it might be 80
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| 16:48 | debian ignores that and adds them at 50, which means they get overridden in ubuntu by system rules
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| 16:48 | i guess we just need to bump the numbering
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| 16:49 | stgraber, i'll inspect that and dicuss it with Keybuk the next days
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| 16:49 | *discuss
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| 17:08 | <stgraber> ogra: cool
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| 17:09 | ogra: but why would the rule suddenly work when removing ENV{ID_TYPE} ?
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| 17:10 | <ogra> no idea, i hope Keybuk can shed light on it
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| 17:31 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "dbus errors on login in ~/.xsession-errors" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/11
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> we've got a hardy application server at freegeek, and the users just stopped being able to log in... ^^
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| 17:32 | s,hardy,ubuntu hardy,g
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| 17:32 | * vagrantc makes a key distinction | |
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> not sure exactly when they stopped being able to log in...
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| 17:35 | <ogra> ** Message: another SSH agent is running at: /tmp/ssh-jDZWus7195/agent.7195
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| 17:35 | ??
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| 17:35 | i dont think the dbus message is really at fault
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> ok, so maybe it's something else.
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| 17:36 | <ogra> check for hanging sshd's
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| 17:36 | <vagrantc> it doesn't need the ssh agent, though
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| 17:36 | no hung sshd's
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| 17:37 | <ogra> gnome-session looks for it
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| 17:37 | <vagrantc> lots of dbus-daemon, gvfsd*, trackerd, bonobo-activation-server and gnome-vfs-daemon processes still running
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| 17:38 | <ogra> uuuh
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| 17:38 | * ogra recommeds to remove tracker from ltsp servers | |
| 17:38 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 17:38 | <ogra> its disabled by default
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| 17:38 | but users are able to enable it
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| 17:39 | <vagrantc> this is still logging in with sdm, so i'm guessing LTSP_CLIENT isn't set.
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| 17:40 | * ogra has no idea why that should influence anything | |
| 17:40 | <vagrantc> well, if you said it's disabled by default, i don't know how else it would determine it's an LTSP login vs. some other login
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| 17:41 | <ogra> but tracker isnt checking for LTSP_CLIENT
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| 17:41 | tracker only checks a gconf key which is off by default on hardy
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| 17:41 | but users can enable it
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| 17:42 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 17:43 | <ogra> check for mounted ~/.gvfs dirs of logged out users
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| 17:43 | <ogra> might be that this plays a role
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| 17:44 | <vagrantc> but i'll keep that in mind if it happens again
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| 17:44 | * stgraber just spent an hour creating a BIOS floppy disk for a server ... why can't BIOS developers just generate a .iso (HP does) :) | |
| 17:45 | <ogra> because most BIOS devs still use DOS 5.x
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| 17:45 | <stgraber> btw, doesmu is great for generating .img, you just create an empty .img, make dosemu use it then start that .exe crap you got from the BIOS manufacturer
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| 17:45 | <ogra> i even saw some using 4.x
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| 17:46 | *recently* at a well known company
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| 17:46 | <stgraber> well, that's a Intel server board so I'd have expected them to consider that most of their user won't use a old Windows on that kind of things :)
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| 17:46 | <ogra> its all about the OEM ...
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| 17:47 | even if intel builds the whole board, the OEM puts the BIOS on it
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| 17:47 | <stgraber> nah, that's a Intel product
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| 17:47 | I had to download the BIOS from Intel's webiste
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| 17:48 | *website
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| 17:48 | <ogra> ah
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| 17:49 | <stgraber> I want our LTSP devel server to have hyper-threading turned on, the CPU has the HT flag in /etc/cpuinfo but the BIOS doesn't show the option
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| 17:49 | as we are like 8 BIOS revisions behind, I hope the new one will suddenly bring the HT option
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| 17:50 | <ogra> note that there are dual cores that dont suport HT
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| 17:50 | i own one
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| 17:59 | <stgraber> ogra: I guess you are speaking of VT (virtualization) on Core2Duo where indeed some don't have it. I'm speaking of HT (hyper-threading) which is the virtual dual-core of Pentium4.
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| 17:59 | <ogra> oh, right, sorry mixed that up
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| 18:02 | <vagrantc> hrm. reboot didn't fix the problem ...
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| 18:03 | <vagrantc> and there aren't any processes running as that user
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| 18:05 | <ogra> stale sockets ?
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| 18:05 | <vagrantc> ogra: where would i look?
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| 18:06 | <ogra> well, actually in /tmp, but that should have been cleaned after the reboot
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| 18:07 | <vagrantc> there's a /tmp/gconfd-$user, orbit-, seahorse-* all owned by the user
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| 18:07 | but that's after they failed to log in
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| 18:12 | <stgraber> vagrantc: hehe, just noticed something. It looks like I forgot to push one of my commits :)
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> stgraber: :P
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| 18:13 | <stgraber> Can you remove "--no-install-recommends" from t030-ltsp-cluster ?
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| 18:13 | <vagrantc> or i didn't pull them
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| 18:13 | looks like there was one patch i hadn't pulled
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| 18:14 | <stgraber> the other change in that rev is that I add iTalc's PPA but I plan to have the package uploaded in Intrepid before RC so I probablly won't need it
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> stgraber: so i shouldn't include that?
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| 18:15 | <stgraber> just remove the --no-install-recommends and don't add italc's PPA
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| 18:20 | <ogra> note that --no-install-recommends is a default apt setting in intrepids ltsp
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| 18:20 | you dont need to set it explicitly and to unset it you need to change APT_GET_OPTS completely
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| 18:21 | or reset them and seed them newly without --no-install-recommends rather
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| 18:26 | <stgraber> oh, ok. I'll have a look tomorrow and make sure we don't have problems with our packages (I'm pretty sure some of them expect Intrepid's behavior for recommends)
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| 18:26 | anyway, I can handle in the packaging so I shouldn't have to force recommends, if I do I can just make these standard recommends
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| 18:37 | <stgraber> Yeah, I have ltsp-cluster integration in italc-launcher done :)
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| 18:37 | if avahi is present, it scans using avahi, then if ltsp-cluster is present, it also scans using ltsp-cluster
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| 18:38 | and if none of them is present it just starts with an empty classroom
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| 18:40 | <ogra> sweet
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| 18:41 | <stgraber> yeah, I also make avahi-utils a Suggest so we don't get it installed by default
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| 18:42 | when installed italc will use it
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| 18:45 | well, I'm not really sure if I should make it a Suggest or a Recommend :)
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| 18:46 | 1) I want iTalc to be easy to use so having it a Recommends make sense
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| 18:46 | 2) I remember moving it to Suggest because avahi got installed in my LTSP chroot
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| 18:46 | now that you say that 2 shouldn't happen, I may well move both back to Recommends
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| 18:51 | ogra: suggestions ?
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| 18:52 | <ogra> well, can you look up how much ram it uses ?
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| 18:52 | if its not to much i wouldnt object having it in the chroot
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| 18:55 | <stgraber> avahi 5230 0.0 0.0 2888 1444 ? Ss 15:53 0:00 avahi-daemon: running [ltsp.local]
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| 18:55 | avahi 5231 0.0 0.0 2888 500 ? Ss 15:53 0:00 avahi-daemon: chroot helper
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| 18:57 | <ogra> hmm, mdns would indeed be a problem
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| 18:57 | all clients are ltsp.local
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| 18:59 | <stgraber> indeed
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| 19:00 | <ogra> putting a script in place that rips off the last bit of the IP and adds it to the hostname might help ;)
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| 19:01 | <stgraber> so having it a Recommend for italc-client should make it installed on workstations but not on thin clients right ?
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| 19:01 | <ogra> right
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| 19:15 | <stgraber> ok, package updated with these changes.
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| 19:16 | I'll do some testing tomorrow and then upload it somewhere for update (after beta-freeze)
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| 19:19 | <ogra> great
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| 19:19 | * ogra goes to bed now | |
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| 21:22 | <edubuntufan> hi
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| 21:22 | am I on?
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| 21:22 | msg nickserv set hidemail on
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| 21:22 | is this working?
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| 21:24 | <edubuntufan> I am on ow.
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| 22:12 | <Quiliro> hello folks
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| 22:12 | trying to install ltsp in gnewsense
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| 22:13 | there are some changes not made from ubuntu (the base system) to the gnewsense version
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| 22:13 | I would like to know how to debug ltsp-build-client
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| 22:14 | tryed --debug and --verbose
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| 22:15 | <Quiliro> i guess i mistyped
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| 22:15 | i got --debug to work
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| 23:54 | <Quiliro> hello
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| 23:55 | <johnny> jo
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| 23:56 | hi
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| 23:58 | <Quiliro> hey johnny.....am trying to use ltsp with gnewsense
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| 23:58 | its based on ubuntu
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| 23:58 | but i have problems because it still looks for ubuntu
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| 23:58 | would it be easier to compile ltsp directly?
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| 23:59 | <Ryan52> ltsp isn't compiled. it's all scripts.
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| 23:59 | what are you having problems with?
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