IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 1 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<muttley_>
Adobe flash 10 use xvideo?
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<maginot>
good morning
06:07
<tryggvib>
morning
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<maginot>
is anyone using xfs on ltsp?
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06:10
<Nubae1>
maginot: y do u want xfs?
06:12
<tryggvib>
hmmm... my HP thin client isn't able to load ltsp via tftp, anyone care to help?
06:13
<maginot>
well, better performance in overall benchmarks like file writting speed, directory tree, more disk space usage ... this kind of thing
06:13
tryggvib, what distro you are?
06:13
<tryggvib>
Ubuntu
06:13
<maginot>
ubuntu ... ?
06:13
<tryggvib>
Hardy Heron (server edition)
06:13
<maginot>
Hmm
06:13
did you tryed using desktop edition ?
06:14
<tryggvib>
I wanted to reuse my server
06:14
<maginot>
because if you dont you will have to install every need package, like xorg and stfuff like that
06:14
<Nubae1>
tryggvib: u should be using alternate CD and press F4 when it starts up
06:14
<tryggvib>
so I need a special computer to be able to run ltsp?
06:14
<Nubae1>
like maginot says it will be much easier to run from a desktop version than installing everything again
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<tryggvib>
I have installed all the necessary packages and built the client
06:15
<Nubae1>
tryggvib: u need a relatively powerful system, depending on the amount of clients running on it
06:15
ah... so what's the problem?
06:16
<tryggvib>
I just want to run two thin clients HPt5125 I got cheap and add them to my home server
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<Nubae1>
I don't see XFS being too useful unless u have lots of multimedia files and the like
06:17
ah then any old thing should do... whats u're servers specs?
06:18
<tryggvib>
the problem is they connect to the dhcp and everything looks ok, tftp starts showing progress dots and then after a while the thin client reboots into the awful Windows mobile edition that came with the thin client
06:18
<Nubae1>
ah, sounds like a firewall issue
06:18
<tryggvib>
firewall?
06:18
hmmm
06:18
<Nubae1>
tftp not getting through
06:19
<tryggvib>
oh man... that's gonna give me a headache... the thing is I don't think I'm using a firewall
06:19
<Nubae1>
its a fairly common symptom... the net should have documentation about it
06:19
is the tftp server started then?
06:20
netstat -tulp
06:20
should show tftp service listening
06:20
<tryggvib>
hmmm...
06:21
nothing showing up, I think you found my problem
06:21
:D
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<Nubae1>
sudo /etc/inid.t/tftpd-hpa restart
06:21
<tryggvib>
do you know the difference between HPA tftp and tftpd?
06:21
<ogra>
Nubae1, !
06:22
grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
06:22
/etc/inid.t/tftpd-hpa restart is a no-op
06:22
<Nubae1>
ah... ok
06:23
<alkisg>
A nice thing, having ogra around to correct our mistakes :)
06:23
<Nubae1>
right...
06:23
<tryggvib>
ogra: I think you're right (never doubted you though) since restarting doesn't return anything :D
06:23
<Nubae1>
:-)
06:23
<tryggvib>
so should grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf return anything?
06:23
<ogra>
check if its set in inetd.conf ...
06:24
<alkisg>
tryggvib: try: dpkg -l tftpd-hpa
06:24
<ogra>
yes, a line for the tftp server that was installed together with ltsp-server
06:24
<Nubae1>
probably because he installed from server
06:24
and not from desktop or alternate
06:24
<ogra>
ltsp-server depends on tftpd-hpa
06:25
<tryggvib>
tftp is not in my inetd.conf
06:25
<ogra>
if you install that package it should come with it ... tftpd-hpa itself carse for the entry in inetd.conf
06:25
<tryggvib>
alkisg: what should I be looking for in dpkg -l?
06:25
<ogra>
try whgat alkisg said
06:25
<alkisg>
If it doesn't return anything, you didn't install ltsp-server correctly
06:25
<ogra>
dpkg -l tftpd-hpa should return a line starting with ii
06:26
<tryggvib>
it does return the ii line, but also some other lines before it
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06:26
<ogra>
thats fine
06:26
did you change anything related to tftp manually ?
06:27
<Nubae>
ogra, does ltsp work well with itanium?
06:27
<ogra>
as client ?
06:27
<tryggvib>
so from what I understand, tftp is installed but not in my inetd.conf for some reason
06:27
<Nubae>
server
06:27
<ogra>
should ... try the ia64 edition :)
06:28
tryggvib, sudo dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa
06:28
<tryggvib>
is there a wrong way of executing sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone?
06:28
<ogra>
it should ask you if you want it started from inetd ... say yes :)
06:28
not really, no
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<tryggvib>
ran the dpkg-reconfigure, it asked me, I said yes, but it's still not showing up in my inetd.conf
06:29
<Nubae>
u should have this line in there:
06:29
tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
06:29
<ogra>
dpkg -l openbsd-inetd
06:30
see if thats there
06:30
<tryggvib>
I have "The OpenBSD Internet Superserver" according to the ii line :)
06:30
Nubae: should I add it manually?
06:30
<ogra>
no
06:31
dpkg -l update-inetd
06:31
<tryggvib>
ii update-inetd 4.27-0.6 inetd.conf updater
06:31
<ogra>
intresting
06:32
sudo apt-get install --reinstall tftpd-hpa
06:32
then check if its in inetd.conf
06:33
<tryggvib>
nope :S
06:33
<maginot>
tryggvib, lsof| grep tftp shows anything ?
06:34
<tryggvib>
nothing
06:34
<ogra>
maginot, no, it cant
06:34
its started by inetd
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<Nubae>
well try adding the line and resart inetd
06:34
worth a try
06:34
<maginot>
ogra, no problem, even with inet it show on lsof
06:35
<ogra>
grep RUN_DAEMON /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
06:35
what does that return
06:35
<tryggvib>
RUN_DAEMON="no"
06:36
<ogra>
hmm, then i dont get why update.-inetd doesnt add it as it should
06:36
sudo update-inetd --group BOOT --add "tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
06:36
try that line, that enforces it
06:38
<tryggvib>
ok, now it's in inetd.conf
06:38
do I need to restart anything?
06:39
<ogra>
yes, openbsd-inetd
06:39
<tryggvib>
done! so now I restart the thin client and try again :)
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<tryggvib>
this is a bit weird, I would like to figure out why this is happening
06:40
to help others, have you heard of this problem before?
06:40
just chit-chating while my thin client is starting up ;)
06:41
<ogra>
no, but its rare anyway that people use the server edition
06:41
might be related
06:41
<tryggvib>
awesome superpowers it appears it works
06:41
<alkisg>
ogra, /var/lib/dpkg/info/tftpd-hpa.postinst inserts the line to inetd.conf only for "configure". Does apt-get reinstall call tftpd-hpa.postint --configure?
06:41
<ogra>
its way to much work to install all the desktop stuff
06:41
alkisg, it should
06:42
alkisg, dpkg-reconfigure is --configure though
06:42
<tryggvib>
except I'm not getting an Xorg server, just an ash shell on BusyBox
06:42
<ogra>
did you run ltsp-build-client already ?
06:42
<tryggvib>
but, at least it works, thanks guys!
06:43
yes I did
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<ogra>
strange
06:43
grep nbdrootd /etc/inetd.conf
06:43
<maginot>
ogra, but he doesnt need to install xorg on chroot first?
06:43
<ogra>
no
06:43
<tryggvib>
ogra, it isn't in there :)
06:43
<ogra>
he doesnt get to the chroot
06:44
tryggvib, you definately have some broken setup regarding inetd
06:44
do you have any other inetd server installed ?
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<tryggvib>
the only thing inetd.conf has is tcpd and (now) tftp
06:44
<ogra>
dpkg -l |grep inet
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<tryggvib>
I get two ii lines, openbsd-inetd and update-inetd
06:45
<ogra>
hmm, thats fine
06:46
<tryggvib>
so what should inetd.conf contain?
06:46
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client calls update-inetd at the end of the build process to put the entry in
06:46
did the build finish with a success message ?
06:47
<alkisg>
I think the error is in tftpd-hpa.postinst: there's a line before update-inet: if [ ! -n "$2" -a "$USE_INETD" = "true" ]; then
06:47
which is false when I do "dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa"
06:47
called with: PARAM1 = configure, PARAM2=0.48-2.3ubuntu1, USE_INETD=true
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<ogra>
if [ -n "$2" -a "$2" != "<unknown>" ] && dpkg --compare-versions "$2" lt "0.36-1"; then
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db_set tftpd-hpa/use_inetd true ||true
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fi
06:48
it sets it at the top
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<alkisg>
With dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa, the if is false, update-inet inside is not executed
06:49
<ogra>
that still doesnt explain the absence of nbdrootd though
06:49
<alkisg>
No - I'm still back at the tftp problem :)
06:49
<ogra>
something is really wonky with that setup in general
06:50
<tryggvib>
from years of happily setting things up hacker style I figured out that apt is the best way, which makes it weird that my setup is "wonky"
06:50
:D
06:51
<ogra>
well, either your ltsp-build-client didnt finish properly or something *is* wonky :)
06:51
the code adding the inetd line doesnt even have checks, it bindly calls update-inetd meaning it has to be there in any case
06:52
<tryggvib>
first when I tried it (over ssh) it failed (network screw up because of changed dhcp file), then I rm -r /opt/ltsp/* and did it again
06:53
I did it again not over the net (and fixed the dhcp while I was at it)
06:54
aaa... here we have something... the ltsp-build-client ended with a warning "found port in use already"
06:54
Info: raising nbdroot portnumber by one to be 2001
06:55
then it says it's updating the inetd config and PXE and that the client installation was completed successfully
06:55
could this be a port problem?
06:56
<ogra>
well, according to that you should actually have two nbdrootd entries
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<tryggvib>
running netstat -tulp shows something running on port 2001 but nothing on 2000
06:57
<ogra>
one for port 2000 and one for port 2001
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<tryggvib>
do you know how to check out what's running on port 2000?
06:59
or... if something is really running on port 2000 (since I believe my system really *is* wonky)
06:59
<Nubae>
netstat -tulp should tell u, but normally thats your nbd chroot
07:00
inetd.conf should list it
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<tryggvib>
tried that but nothing showing up on port 2000 (we are discussing why nbdrootd isn't in my inetd.conf)
07:01
you guys are awesome, I would have been trying to figure all this out for 50 years (and still wouldn't have gotten this far)
07:02
<ogra>
well, all we figured out yet is that its broken somehow
07:03
<tryggvib>
aaa.. nbdrootd is the tcpd in inetd.conf
07:03
well, at least I know that I'm not broken somehow (just my sysadmin skills)
07:03
<Nubae>
heh
07:04
<tryggvib>
how should the nbdrootd line in inetd.conf look like?
07:05
mine is: 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img (and another one for port 2001 but that's running images/amd64.img)
07:05
<Nubae>
thats fine
07:05
it doesnt show running with netstat?
07:06
<tryggvib>
not the 2000 port
07:06
<ogra>
ls -l /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
07:06
<tryggvib>
just the 2001
07:07
<ogra>
does it exist ?
07:07
<tryggvib>
ogra: I didn't see that you asked me to check inetd.conf for nbdroot (but it's there)
07:07
aaaa... ogra thank you
07:08
I only have amd64.img
07:08
<ogra>
aha
07:08
there is your problem
07:08
<tryggvib>
you're a genious!
07:08
<ogra>
i wrote that crap :)
07:08
<tryggvib>
so I should just run ltsp-build-client --arch i386 right?
07:08
<ogra>
sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --copy-sourceslist
07:09
that will also give you the servers sources.list in the client env ... helpful for updates
07:09
<tryggvib>
why copy-sourceslist, what does that do (I know I know RTFM)
07:09
ok you answered it :)
07:10
it's running... so, i should restart the inet server after the client has been built
07:11
I wonder whether the problem is due to that my server is amd64 (and not the thin clients)
07:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
tryggvib: once you have the server's sources list, you can update the client chroot
07:12
<tryggvib>
but still, should that explain the tftp absence?
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<tryggvib>
_UsUrPeR_: what do you mean?
07:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
tryggvib: the server's OS is independant from the ones created for the client.
07:12
the client OS is determined by the --arch command
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<tryggvib>
gotcha :)
07:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
--arch i386 = 32 bit
07:13
<tryggvib>
yup, I understand, I just thought both would be built
07:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
--arch amd64 = 64
07:13
<tryggvib>
assumption is the mother of all fuck ups :)
07:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
wel it sure doesn't get you anywhere
07:14
now what I had meant about updating your chroot: the "chroot" I am reffering to is the image that the server creates when you run ltsp-build-client
07:15
it creates it at /opt/ltsp/i386(or amd64 if you are running a 64-bit thinclient)
07:16
in order to update the client's image with apt-get or something along the lines, /proc has to be mounted in the chroot. It can be done as follows: mount --bind /proc /optltsp/i386/proc
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<_UsUrPeR_>
after that, chtoor /opt/ltsp/i386
07:16
err... chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
07:17
and run apt-get upgrade/update
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<tryggvib>
nice
07:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
once the updates are complete, you need to update the client image
07:18
so exit out of chroot, and run ltsp-update-image
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<_UsUrPeR_>
... *this ends instructional video*
07:20
<tryggvib>
_UsUrPeR_: thank you very much for that :)
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<tryggvib>
allright, suspense... starting up the thin client again :)
07:21
awesome ultasuperpowers it's alive :D
07:22
if anyone of you helpers likes to visit Iceland, the beers on me :D
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<_UsUrPeR_>
yay!
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<cyberorg>
Nubae, to keep you happy, we've had ltsp in /opt/ltsp for a long time now :)
07:24
<tryggvib>
now I can play with the login... getting my users to start the Xsession :) this is awesome, thanks (you can't believe how happy I am)
07:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
tryggvib: remember: if you create new users on the server, be sure to update the sshkeys with ltsp-update-sshkeys
07:26
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, not when creating users, just when changing IP
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<_UsUrPeR_>
whoop, my bad.
07:26
tryggvib: cyberorg is correct
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<tryggvib>
allright (not that update-sshkeys would break the system ;)
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<tryggvib>
is it wise to chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 and run apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
07:58
<ogra>
no
07:58
you need the desktop on the server
07:58
not inside the chroot
07:59
<tryggvib>
I installed thin-client-manager-gnome (hoping that was the Window manager)
08:00
so I actually need to transform my server into a desktop machine for ltsp?
08:00
<ogra>
after ltsp-build-client you shouldnt touch /opt/ltsp/i386 anymore apart from doing upgrades or installing security fixes
08:00
<tryggvib>
ok, noted :)
08:00
<ogra>
its only used to bring up the client HW
08:01
and to start the login manager
08:01
everything else happens on the server
08:01
<tryggvib>
understood :)
08:01
<ogra>
thin-client-manager-gnome was an app to manage the client sessions, but its deprecated, use italc for that
08:02
<tryggvib>
so I install the ubuntu-desktop on my server so that my user can login and work in Gnome
08:02
<ogra>
right
08:02
or any other desktop you like
08:02
<tryggvib>
yup
08:02
<ogra>
but you need a desktop session installed
08:03
<tryggvib>
ok, now I understand
08:03
I thought the opt/ltsp/i386 was the environment the clients would run
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<tryggvib>
but now, my server is amd64 but the thin clients are i386, won't that be a problem?
08:04
<ogra>
nope
08:04
<tryggvib>
nice
08:04
<jammcq>
tryggvib: behold the power of the X Window System
08:04
the thin client runs the code in /opt/ltsp/i386, the user logs in and launches the session on the server, displaying on the client
08:05
<ogra>
hey jammcq
08:05
<jammcq>
hey ogra
08:05
<tryggvib>
I continue to be amazed by the free/open source hackers... even after 7 years
08:05
you truly are the smartest of the smartest
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<jammcq>
tryggvib: you can thank the wizards back at MIT in 1985 for coming up with X
08:05
<ogra>
heh
08:05
yeah
08:06
<tryggvib>
I never really understood fully why it was such a good design to have X Window as a server/client architecture until a few seconds ago
08:06
I always thought it was a nice feature for ssh -X :)
08:06
<jammcq>
yeah, pretty awesome when you figure that out
08:09
anyway, time to head to the office
08:09
<tryggvib>
bye and thanks for the eye opening jammcq :)
08:10
just out of curiosity, how old are you?
08:11
please don't say younger than 27, then I'll feel like I've been wasting my life ;)
08:12
<jammcq>
tryggvib: umm, I'm definately not younger than 27 :)
08:12
I'm almost 48
08:13
<tryggvib>
so I have 21 years to gain your experience :)
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<vagrantc>
planning on tagging ldm-trunk soonish
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<MichalPenka>
Hello everybody
10:06
I'm trying to get Ubuntu ltsp work but have problems
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<vagrantc>
!question
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
10:07
<MichalPenka>
I have jaunty amd64 as a server (it's a laptop) and one dumb pc with Intel PXE connected with switch in the middle, there's no other network
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<MichalPenka>
the problem is client doesn't boot
10:07
it writes Intel PXE error
10:08
can anyone help?
10:09
no sorry, the message is Exiting Intel PXE ROM
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<alkisg>
How did you install ltsp (alternate cd, ubuntu server, desktop cd)? And did you add --arch i386 to ltsp-build-client?
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<MichalPenka>
it's commonly installed jaunty with desktop cd
10:10
then I've installed ltsp-server-standalone
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and yes, I've added --arch i386 for building the client
10:10
<alkisg>
Did you change /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to suit your network?
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<MichalPenka>
my network is simple
10:11
just two computers and simple swith in between
10:11
my server has 192.168.0.1
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so I've left the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf without any change
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<alkisg>
What does this say? sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status
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<MichalPenka>
Status of DHCP server: dhcpd3 is running.
10:13
I've added this sentence at the end of /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf:
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include "/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf";
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<alkisg>
/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf isn't used when you install an ltsp server
10:14
Do you have another dhcp server running? E.g. a router?
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<MichalPenka>
but this include should solve it, am I right?
10:14
nn, no routers
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<alkisg>
No, this include shouldn't change anything...
10:14
<MichalPenka>
aha
10:14
so shall I copy the content of it into dhcpd.conf file?
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<alkisg>
As /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf isn't read at all
10:15
No, leave /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf as it is, it should be there.
10:15
<MichalPenka>
so what is read?
10:15
so dhcpd starts with /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf configuration as default?
10:16
<alkisg>
Yes
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<MichalPenka>
ok
10:16
so can you see any problem somewhere?
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<alkisg>
So you have the default /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file, nothing changed, and your server ip is 192.168.0.1 ?
10:16
<MichalPenka>
yes
10:16
<alkisg>
Sounds ok... let's see the tftp server.
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<MichalPenka>
authoritative;
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subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250;
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option domain-name "example.com";
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option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;
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option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;
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option routers 192.168.0.1;
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# next-server 192.168.0.1;
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# get-lease-hostnames true;
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option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
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option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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} else {
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filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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}
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}
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<alkisg>
MichalPenka: don't paste here
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<MichalPenka>
oh
10:17
sorry
10:17
but this is my configuration :)
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ok
10:17
alkisg: sorry
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<alkisg>
There's a site for pasting text, called pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:17
<alkisg>
You paste your files there, and paste the link here...
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<MichalPenka>
ok
10:17
thanks and sorry again
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<alkisg>
Try this: sudo netstat -tulp
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Is your tftp server running?
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<MichalPenka>
i don't see it there
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<alkisg>
grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf ?
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<MichalPenka>
ok sorry
10:19
it was there
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udp 0 0 *:tftp *:* 2690/inetd
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and the grep:
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<ogra>
do you have any other dhcp server in your network (i.e. on a DSL router or so)
10:20
<alkisg>
So everything sounds OK... Do you have a crossover cable to try without the switch?
10:20
<MichalPenka>
tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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I'll check
10:21
no I don't :(
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but the computer I'm trying to use as a thin client has system on it
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so I can check if dhcp works
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<alkisg>
OK, boot it and try "dhclient eth0"
10:22
<MichalPenka>
am I right?
10:22
<alkisg>
Yup
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<MichalPenka>
ok
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<MichalPenka>
the system just loaded and ifconfig returns 192.168.0.21
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so it probably works
10:25
strange thing
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I cannot ping 192.168.0.1
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: you seem to be right regarding the COLUMNS no longer being necessary with dpkg output ... it used to be.
10:26
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ah, ok, cause I thought ubuntu did something different, thanks
10:27
MichalPenka: I think your switch does some weird stuff like cutting some traffic... can you ssh into your server?
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<MichalPenka>
somewhy I needed to do /etc/init.d/networking restart on server in order to have the IP
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<vagrantc>
!ver
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "ver" is ti get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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<MichalPenka>
my server has static IP in interfaces file
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<Kougloff>
hi here
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<alkisg>
MichalPenka: OK, can you ping the server now?
10:28
<MichalPenka>
yes
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and the ssh works as well
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot`: learn ver as to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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<alkisg>
(I wonder how you got an IP... maybe a previous lease?)
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<vagrantc>
!ver
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "ver" is (#1) ti get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}', or (#2) to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm (1 more message)
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<MichalPenka>
strange why server looses my ip
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot`: forget ver #1
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: There is no such factoid.
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<Kougloff>
I have a problem with K12Linux and NTFS usb stick... Anyone can help me?
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot`: forget ver
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot`: forget ver(#1)
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: There is no such factoid.
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<vagrantc>
sorry for the noise ...
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<Kougloff>
..
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<MichalPenka>
no problem :)
10:29
<vagrantc>
ltspbot` is so hard to work with in private
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
10:29
<alkisg>
MichalPenka: gotta go for a while - be back in 30 min... good luck!
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<MichalPenka>
thanks for your help!
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<vagrantc>
!question
10:30
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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<vagrantc>
Kougloff: ^^
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<Kougloff>
^^
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<MichalPenka>
so is there anybody else who could help me? :)
10:30
hey
10:31
now it loads something
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<vagrantc>
Kougloff: you didn't describe what the problem was
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<MichalPenka>
hahaaaaaaa
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works!!!
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<vagrantc>
Kougloff: just ask your questions and if people know how to help you, they will respond. be patient.
10:31
<MichalPenka>
thanks alkisg!
10:31
<Kougloff>
Sorry The usb stick (ntfs) is mounted on the desktop user. But is empty....
10:32
Sorry for my english, i'm french ;)
10:32
<vagrantc>
Kougloff: your english is fine :)
10:32
<Kougloff>
ok cool ^^
10:33* ogra bets its better than vagrantc's french ;)
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<vagrantc>
hell, it's better than my spanish even
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<Kougloff>
And,i define, when the usb stick (NTFS) is mounted on the server, the folder is on the desktop, and the content is readable
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<vagrantc>
Kougloff: i don't know k12linux so well, but clearly there's something amiss with what it's using to mount the ntfs filesystem ... i don't know if it's using the in-kernel NTFS code or something like ntfsprogs ...
10:37
sorry to not be more help
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<Kougloff>
Ok, i will try. NTFS = Bad ^^..
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<vagrantc>
Kougloff: vfat will probably be more cross-platform, even if a little limited.
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<Kougloff>
ok, but how to execute this for the client ?
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<vagrantc>
can't reformat drives with LTSP ... you'll have to plug it into a regular computer to do that
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<Kougloff>
Haok ;)
10:46
I will post in the K12's mailing list for this problem. And when i have a response, i com back in #ltsp channel
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<vagrantc>
Kougloff: good luck
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<Kougloff>
Thanks;)
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<alkisg>
!ver
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "ver" is (#1) ti get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}', or (#2) to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | (1 more message)
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<alkisg>
forget ver 1
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!forget ver 1
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<alkisg>
!ver
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}' ; dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2,$3}'
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: thanks.
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<alkisg>
np :)
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!tftp
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: Error: "tftp" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
ldm 2.0.39 tagged, pushed, and uploaded to debian.
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<NeonLicht>
backported to Lenny? worth upgrading?
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<vagrantc>
haven't built a backport yet
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<ogra>
impatient users ... tsk
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<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "changes in debian's ldm 2.0.39-1" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/293
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<vagrantc>
NeonLicht: mostly translation updates
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<vagrantc>
7 languages at 100%, 3 at 97%
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97.7
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i guess i missed the rc.d stuff, though.
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would be good to figure out how to merge that into a single file someday...
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<maginot>
hey, whats the option that I need to have in lts.conf if im using XSERVER ? (I just forgot)
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<vagrantc>
maginot: ?
11:51
maginot: XSERVER ?
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<ogra>
CONFIGURE_X=True
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<maginot>
ogra, on default right?
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<ogra>
as you like
11:53
<maginot>
okay, thanks
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<vagrantc>
ah, right.
11:54
i think it actually should autodetect that with recent versions.
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i.e. if XSERVER is set, it sets CONFIGURE_X=True
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<ogra>
yeah ... hardy != recent :)
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<vagrantc>
yeah
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<ogra>
21days to jaunty
11:57* vagrantc hates to say that debian lenny, though released 1.5 months ago, != recent
11:57
<ogra>
and the death of gutsy
11:57
<vagrantc>
but i provide good backports :)
11:58* vagrantc can't wait to upgrade a gutsy box to lenny :)
11:59* vagrantc wonders how disasterous an apt-get dist-upgrade could go
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<ogra>
heavily i guess
12:01
i mean, it might work, but leave you with a bastard system
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<MichalPenka>
Hi all again. I went through the LTSP manual but didn't find the answer to my question. Am I able to create different systems (teacher's/student's) to supply thin clients with?
12:04
Thanks for reply
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<NeonLicht>
thanks, vagrantc, not really necessary to upgrade LDM, then :-)
12:08
vagrantc, wouldn't it be better to do an apt-get install aptitude && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade?
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<ogra>
NeonLicht, aptitude is installed by default
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<NeonLicht>
I know, ogra
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<ogra>
why woudl you apt-get install it then ?
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<NeonLicht>
ogra, but the recommended way to upgrade Debian is by first upgrasding aptitude from apt-get and then upgrade the rest of the system using aptitude
12:13
ogra, to upgrade the broken one from Ubuntu to the great one from Debian XDDD
12:14* ogra starts getting annoyed by that ubuntu bashing
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<NeonLicht>
hahaha
12:14
annoying was the original idea, yes XDD
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<ogra>
NeonLicht, you are aware that canonical paid a fulltime dev for three years for the initial devlopment of ltsp5, right ?
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<NeonLicht>
sure, the only bad thing about LTSP 5 is that it first comes from Ubuntu XDD
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<ogra>
thanks for respecting my work ...
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<NeonLicht>
come on, I'm just joking
12:17
ooppsss... he really took it serious
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<cyberorg>
NeonLicht, you dont joke with 3 years of hard work he put in
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<NeonLicht>
I did not joke about his work, just about Ubuntu
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12:37* vagrantc grumbles
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<maginot>
anyidea on how to block clients from adding items in the gnome panel ?
12:41
like those eyes applets and things like that
12:42
<cliebow>
cant you use pessulus to minimize that stuff?
12:42
<vagrantc>
some sort of gconf hackery, i think
12:42
<Lumiere>
uninstall stuff? :)
12:43
but I think vagrantc's right... there has to be some gconf registry hackery for it
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<maginot>
Hmm okay, I'll take a look on that
12:50
cliebow, this pessulus app, you use it? It have anyoption for global config?
12:50
<MichalPenka>
vagrantc: Can I ask you whether you are main developer of LDM?
12:50
<vagrantc>
MichalPenka: i'm just one of the ltsp developers
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<jammcq>
hey homies
12:51
<MichalPenka>
vagrantc: Great. I would like to ask you for a help with pam_usb authentication :)
12:51
<jammcq>
stgraber: hey, just read your blog post about LTSP. Very nice
12:51
<MichalPenka>
vagrantc: can you please help me? Do you have any experience with it?
12:51
<cliebow>
jammcq!!
12:51
<jammcq>
hey chuck
12:51
<vagrantc>
ogra, warren, sbalneav, Ryan52, Gadi_eeepc and stgraber have all contributed as much or more than i have
12:51
<jammcq>
how's it goin?
12:52
<vagrantc>
MichalPenka: no experience with pam_usb auth, no.
12:52
<cliebow>
maginot, it has been so long since i avctually changed anything..i wont swear by it
12:52
<MichalPenka>
vagrantc: I was asking because I saw you made 5 last commits :)
12:52
<vagrantc>
MichalPenka: you'd have to somehow use it to authenticate to the server's ssh server, so it's tricky
12:53
<MichalPenka>
vagrantc: it's tricky a lot :) I am able to login normally, plug in the dongle and see the files on it
12:54
vagrantc: but I am unable to use it as a pam_usb device on thin client. Only server can handle this
12:55
vagrantc: do you have any ideas how to solve it? I would like to provide my students with the keyrings
12:56
<Gadi>
pam_usb?
12:56
weird
12:56
:)
12:56
<vagrantc>
MichalPenka: pam_usb is probably not going to work... you'd have to put something on the usb stick that then is used to authenticate to the server via ssh.
12:56
<Gadi>
pam sure gets around
12:56
use a private key
12:57
<cliebow>
you have Pam's key?
12:57
<Gadi>
cliebow: everybody has Pam's key
12:57
<MichalPenka>
I have pam_usb working on my laptop/server
12:57
<Gadi>
she gets around
12:57
:)
12:57
<cliebow>
i guess so!
12:58
<Gadi>
MichalPenka: won't work with LTSP
12:58
<MichalPenka>
Gadi: do you have any other suggestions?
12:58
<Gadi>
LTSP client does not use PAM
12:58
(its own pam, that is)
12:58
MichalPenka: use ssh keys
12:59
<MichalPenka>
Gadi: how? I don't have any experience
12:59
<Gadi>
are you trying to achieve password-less login?
12:59
<MichalPenka>
Gadi:
12:59
Gadi: no
12:59
<vagrantc>
you put the keys on the usb stick, and then configure it to automatically mount the usb stick, and configure ldm to use those ssh keys
12:59
<Gadi>
what are you trying to achieve?
12:59
<vagrantc>
MichalPenka: oh, what are you trying to do?
13:00
<MichalPenka>
just to be able to login with the usb dongle
13:00
yes, it's passwordless :-D
13:00
<Gadi>
so, you say "no", but you mean "yes"
13:00
<MichalPenka>
vagrantc: thanks for suggestion
13:00
<Gadi>
just like Pam
13:00
:)
13:00
<MichalPenka>
Gadi: :-D
13:01* vagrantc wonders about Gadi's past
13:01
<Gadi>
hehe
13:01
<cliebow>
and future..
13:01
<MichalPenka>
OK, I'll try that guys. Thanks a lot then ;)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Just started working with ltsp-localapps in 8.10 Alternate installs. I notices that the gateway automatically assigned to clients thinclient is 192.168.0.1 when the server, by default, is set as 192.168.0.254. Is this a bug?
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<maginot>
_UsUrPeR_, I dont notice this here
13:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
moginot: mind running a quick test for me?
13:39
<maginot>
if you can wait a sec I can, Im recompiling the kernel in this right moment
13:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
k
13:39
<maginot>
_UsUrPeR_, what you need?
13:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
just wondering what a netstat -n shows on your current client
13:40
if it has been installed via 8.10 alternative CDs
13:40
<maginot>
oh, this I can do after all the compilation is happening in the server. Well, no, I'm using a regular ltsp install trhough apt-get
13:41
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh'
13:42
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: the clients use dhcp, don't they? They get their gateway from the dhcp server...
13:43
So if dhcpd.conf (as usual) contains 192.168.0.1, that's what they get...
13:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
correct. But the gateway server in the dhcpd.conf, upong installation with a 8.10 alternate install CD is incorrect.
13:43
it installs incorrectly.
13:43
<alkisg>
It was 192.168.0.1 since at least Ubuntu 7.10
13:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
fortunately, that would not be evident unless you were running ltsp-localapps
13:44
alkisg: yes, it is 192.168.0.1, unfortunately, when using the alternate install CD, is assigns eth1 to the address 192.168.0.254
13:44
while keeping the gateway for the clients in the dhcpd.conf at 192.168.0.1
13:44
<alkisg>
Ah, I see the problem. Yes, also some scripts use 192.168.0.254.
13:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
this should probably become congruent
13:44
<alkisg>
(I've never done a "default" dhcp installation)
13:45
I wonder what the default debian dhcpd.conf looks like...
13:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh :)
13:45
alkisg: have you tried using the ubuntu 8.10 alternative cds?
13:46
the installation's a breeze
13:46
<alkisg>
Yes, 8.10, 8.04 and 9.04
13:46
But I've never had 2 cards - either one or four! :)
13:47
<maginot>
is better to separate the client in 1 card and the gateway in the other ?
13:47
<alkisg>
maginot: it's safer (security-wise) for the clients to see the "external world" only through the ltsp-server, not directly...
13:48
<maginot>
but about performance....
13:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
maginot: performance should not suffer... I would imagine it may even improve because of the throughput for both interfaces
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<alkisg>
Well, bonding 2 NICs sometimes doubles the performance... but not always.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
I have never seen bonding done properly myself :/
13:50
however, I never use high-quality products capable of it
13:50
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: I've tried bonding with 2 intel nics and 2 cheap realtek ones, I had 400mbps instead of 100...
13:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
:O
13:51
what kind of switch were you running?
13:51
<maginot>
hmmm at least our network is giabit
13:51
*gigabit
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<alkisg>
The cheapest I could find :)
13:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
:O :O
13:51
It's been a while since I have experi\mented with that
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<alkisg>
And it has 8 Gbps total bandwidth (the switch), so if I could use bonding with e.g. 20 NICs, I could have 20x the speed...
13:52
<maginot>
we are using a catalyst for this, but some clients still 100mb/s I have seen with iptraf about 90mb/s of usage
13:54
oh, and just to not forget to mention, I reinstalled my ltsp with 8.10 and again I can shutdown and reboot from client...
13:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
maginot: yay!
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<maginot>
and this time I've changed just feel option in kernel, like ACPI (I removed)
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<alkisg>
In Ubuntu, how can I remove tftpd-hpa but keep ltsp-server installed?
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<maginot>
alkisg, did you trying removing the dependencies in /var/lib/dpkg/status ?
14:24
no
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<alkisg>
maginot: nope, I have no experience in this. Is this a common way to do it?
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<maginot>
this dont work
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: it's generally a bad idea to edit /var/lib/dpkg/status manually
14:30
that's asking for problems
14:30
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ok, so what can I do?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: if it's a hard dependency with no alternatives, all you can do is patch the package.
14:31
make a custom package
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<stgraber>
jammcq: thanks
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<alkisg>
Hmmm ok, sounds troublesome (with updating etc) :( Thanks!
14:33
<MichalPenka>
how about deborphan package?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: not particularly difficult, just a bit of a bother, really.
14:33
i.e to keep current with new versions, security updates, etc.
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, well, if I patch the package, and ubuntu has a newer version of it, won't I need to patch the new version as well? yup, that's what I was thinking of... :(
14:34
<vagrantc>
tagging ltsp-trunk soonish
14:34
<MichalPenka>
sorry, deborphan doesn't solve this probably
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: yes.
14:34
<alkisg>
Sooo.... stgraber, would it be possible to change the dependencies to tftpd-hpa | dnsmasq ?
14:35
Because dnsmasq now has proxydhcp support, so it can be used on environments with an existing dhcp server...
14:35
(and dnsmasq tries to use the same port as tftpd-hpa...)
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<vagrantc>
it would bring it closer in sync with debian ... debian has tftpd-hpa | atftpd | dnsmasq (>= 2.41)
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<MichalPenka>
I'm still playing with LTSP and reading manuals. But I didn't find anywhere whether there is some LTSP software management tool. Does anybody know about something similar? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ltsp-software-management explains my needs 8-)
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<maginot>
alkisg, after asking around, dpkg --remove --force-depends tftpd-hpa
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<alkisg>
maginot: thanks, looking into that...
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: another thing you could do is make a dummy package that Provides: tftpd-hpa
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<vagrantc>
and depends on dnsmasq, for good measure :)
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<alkisg>
maginot: it leaves some "unmet dependencies": The following packages have unmet dependencies: tsp-server: Depends: tftpd-hpa but it is not installed E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
14:50
vagrantc: that sounds doable and more proper, thanks!
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: it's still a bit of a hack, but less so :)
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<maginot>
alkisg, Gadi uses ubuntu maybe he know how to help you with that ... I know that there --ignore-depends too but Im not sure how to work with either two...
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<alkisg>
OK, thanks :)
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<maginot>
alkisg, ah! you are getting this after removing and now trying to install anything else?
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<alkisg>
maginot: yes, or just apt-get update 'ing the system...
14:56
<maginot>
alkisg, there is something you can do to ignore this...
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<maginot>
if you do apt-get install -f it reinstall tftpd?
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<alkisg>
maginot: well, I'd rather try vagrantc's way, to avoid possible problems like needing to run `apt-get -f install` sometime later on to fix something else, and I don't want tftpd-hpa to be installed then...
14:59
Yes, apt-get -f install it reinstalls it
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<maginot>
okay
14:59
so you have to install a package which provides the missing dependency, 'equivs' is a package to create a dummy package to do this
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<alkisg>
Ah! Good info, looking...
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<maginot>
well, have to go now, cya tomorrow []'s
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<stgraber>
alkisg: not going to change a dependency at this point in the release cycle
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<alkisg>
stgraber: no, not for jaunty, for later on...
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<stgraber>
alkisg: and I'm not sure if I've the right to depend (even multiple depends) on something that's in universe
15:09
well, I'm sure I can't depend on it actually, just not sure if "package in main | package in universe" is allowed
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<alkisg>
So no hope for it, eh? :( Thanks, though.
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<vagrantc>
ltsp 5.1.69 tagged, pushed and uploaded to debian unstable ...
15:18* vagrantc sets the sights on ltspfs ...
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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