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Channel log from 18 January 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<muppis>
I'm soon getting second n -serie wlan router, so I can get little faster (I hope) booting for my HTPC. :)
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<Guest22254>
hello guys
01:49
may I ask for some help booting ltsp with gpxe under ubuntu 10.04?
01:49
<muppis>
Guest22254, sure thing. Just ask, don't ask to ask.
01:49
<Guest22254>
it hangs after receiving the ip address from the server
01:50
so for a few days now I am stuck with this
01:50
I am a sysadmin in a school, and currently running an ltsp setup with ub. 8.04 fine
01:51
but would like to have ub. 10.04 running
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reason I need gpxe is some clients can not boot pxe
01:52
<alkisg>
Guest22254: are you the one that was trying loadin ?
01:52
<Guest22254>
yes
01:52
<alkisg>
And if you try with a floppy, you have a problem?
01:52
I mean, is the problem in gpxe or in loadlin?
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<Guest22254>
loadlind loads gpxe fine
01:54
it says ok at the end
01:54
<alkisg>
Does a floppy or cd work?
01:54
<Guest22254>
but i will try it with a floppy
01:54
to make sure
01:54
<alkisg>
Right. Because even if loadlin says it's ok, I don't believe it yet :)
01:54
<Guest22254>
i tried 2 different gpxe versions
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<alkisg>
There might be device driver hooks or other windows stuff that were left behind
01:55
Try without loadlin
01:55
<Guest22254>
1.0.0 and the one beofre
01:55
ok I will do it now
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<gnunux>
hi
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<Guest22254>
give me a minute
02:05
wow
02:05
it works
02:05
now I have to figure out 2 more thing
02:06
1 how to boot this from hdd so I still have that old dos thing working
02:06
and 2 is in fat client mode on the clients, there is not internet access
02:06
thin client mode has it
02:07
thanks alkisg
02:09
any ideas?
02:10
<muppis>
Guest22254, your clients connection goes thru ltsp server?
02:10
<Guest22254>
yes
02:10
<muppis>
Then enable NAT from there.
02:10
<Guest22254>
they connect only to ltsp server
02:10
how come it works in thin client mode?
02:10
<muppis>
This works for both https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT
02:11
<alkisg>
Guest22254: for your booting, try my grubgpxe page instead of loadlin
02:11
<muppis>
Guest22254, your browser is probably runned in server, not in client?
02:11
<Guest22254>
in thin client mode, yes
02:12
ok, alkisg: please paste here that page
02:12
about grubpxe
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<alkisg>
The one you were looking the other day in the ubuntu wiki
02:13
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/grubgpxe
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<Guest22254>
oop, can not remember now, please show me again
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and thx
02:17
alkisg: so basically now that it boots fine from floppy, what I need to do is use grubpxe instead?
02:18
in that case do I still need to download anything from rom-o-matic?
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<alkisg>
Guest22254: just follow the section for windows 98, doing exactly what it says
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<Guest22254>
managed to get internet access from this howto
02:53
many thanks
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<Guest22254>
alkisg: SUCCESS!!
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<alkisg>
Nice
03:44
<Guest22254>
many thanks, booting also works, what is left is to edit the boot menu so it only displays "boot linux" or "boot dos"
03:45
<alkisg>
That shouldn't be difficult, `edit menu.lst` from dos should do it...
03:45
<Guest22254>
yep
03:45
:)
03:45
<alkisg>
Btw, you can also run many dos programs in dosbox
03:45
So it's possible that you wouldn't need dos at all
03:45
<Guest22254>
I know, perhaps I will do it again
03:46
previous problem was that when all students wanted to run that same dos thing the server almost crawled to a halt
03:46
<muppis>
Still in my dreams to make preseed for Ubuntu to install dosbox as frontend.
03:47
<alkisg>
Guest22254: You could run dosbox as a "localapp", i.e. so that it runs with the client resources
03:47
<Guest22254>
yes, like fat client mode
03:47
true
03:48
for now I keep it under dos, and see it later
03:48
<alkisg>
Just out of curiosity, what program is that?
03:48
<Guest22254>
:) it is a practice app for students to learn to type
03:49
I know I know there are linux versions, like klavaro
03:49
but I could not convince the teacher to switch
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the teacher was not willing to learn something new
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<muppis>
Guest22254, old scholl teacher?
03:50
<alkisg>
And it runs under dos?!!! Not even under windows?! Wow...
03:50
<Guest22254>
yes
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:)
03:52
be back in a few minutes, I need to edit the menu.lst
03:53
reason I am doing all this is that I would like to have a new setup with ltsp fat clients instead of thin
03:54
<alkisg>
Guest22254: client specs? cpu/ram?
03:54
<Guest22254>
up until now I have been using older clients, and whyle it was running pretty fast I had to disable a few things like flash
03:54
<alkisg>
Btw, you can send DOS from the network, you don't have to have it on the local disk
03:54
<Guest22254>
which made students think this is a pretty bad setup
03:55
most clients are about 1ghz pIII with 256mb
03:55
some slower some faster
03:55
<alkisg>
256 Mb RAM is too little for fat clients
03:56
<Guest22254>
but each year we buy new machines so the ones we replace come to mee and use them in ltsp mode
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now more and more faster are replaced that is why I would like to take advantage of this fat mode
03:57
I set up icewm as default and epiphany-browser
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and openoffice
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that is all they need
03:58
what is fallback in menu.lst ?
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<alkisg>
If the first entry fails, it tries the second one
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E.g. "1 = boot from network, 2 = boot locally" ==> if the server is offline, it'll boot locally
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(but gpxe doesn't support chaining so don't give it much though)
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<Guest22254>
aha, so I can just comment out most as I only need boot network and boot dos
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<alkisg>
Right
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<Guest22254>
may I ask more?
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<Guest22254>
grubgpxe remembers the last selected, how can I have it to wait indefinetly for user select?
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in menu.lst there is timeout 5,
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should this be 0 or a very large number?
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<alkisg>
For customizing menu.lst, check the grub legacy docs
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<Guest22254>
success
04:30
now i just have to remeber all the dos win98 startup methods te remove the previous autoxec.bat based menu ot to put that dos thing in grup to start what I would like directly
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<Guest22254>
thnks for all the help
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<gsouque>
high
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<gsouque>
i have a new issue today users with comiz enabled can't login ...
06:59
<Appiah>
and disabling it makes people able to logon again?
07:01
<gsouque>
yes
07:10
<Appiah>
did compiz work before on these clients for the users?
07:15
<gsouque>
yes
07:16
how can i disable compiz for a user without login and go to preference theme
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<Appiah>
with gconf I'd guess
07:16
or editing some file by hand
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<gsouque>
i did not find it in gconf ...
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<Appiah>
!compiz
07:18
<ltspbot>
Appiah: "compiz" :: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
07:18
<Appiah>
!disable_compiz
07:18
<ltspbot>
Appiah: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
07:18
<Appiah>
I'm sure it's there..
07:25
<gsouque>
thanks and how to restore it?
07:29
i disabled compiz and now it's working :) it's a pity becaue users like it !
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<alkisg>
gsouque: which graphics module? openchrome?
07:46
<gsouque>
alkisg: i dont know how can u see that?
07:47
<alkisg>
On a *local* terminal on the client, lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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!localxterm
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
07:52
<gsouque>
alkisg: do u mean on the thin client hardware (open a terminal with ctrl Alt F1) or when i am loged on a X session on the ltsp server?
07:52
<alkisg>
On the thin client hardware
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<gsouque>
ok i wathing
08:01
alkisg: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2572] (rev 02) Kernel driver in use: i915
08:02
<alkisg>
Ah, yeah, that sucks too. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
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<reynolds_>
Hi, do i have to specify programs to run locally in ltsp if I have created a fat cleint chroot?
08:14
<robehend1>
nope
08:14
<reynolds_>
so I do not need to put anything under local apps in lts.conf
08:15
<robehend1>
nope. Since its a fat client, its all running locally anyways
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<reynolds_>
thx
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08:37
<csaba_>
alkisg1: so I sued use norton hgost 2003 to clone hdd's
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08:37
<csaba_>
since I have many of these pc to boot ltsp
08:37
but with this one after cloning I get the error saying missing mbr helper
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so the cloned hdd can not boot up
08:39
any ideas why it is happening with this gpxe and grub thing
08:41
can you suggest a solution?
08:43
<gsouque>
alkisg: ok thanks
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<csaba_>
I mean this grub thing prevents the disk from cloning or something?
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<alkisg>
csaba_: to make a windows 98 disk bootable, use "sys c:
08:47
from a diskette
08:47
Then rerun bootlace etc so that you reinstall grub
08:48
I don't know why norton ghost can't properly clone disks with grub
08:48
But that's waaaay out of topic here in #ltsp now...
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<yeedl>
hey yall, if i change my lts.conf, do i need to restart any service?
09:41
<Appiah>
no
09:41
just reboot client
09:41
<yeedl>
gotcha.
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<yeedl>
uhm, any good directions to get client to boot straight into an rdesktop session? followed some sstuff, but didnt seem to work right
09:42
<Appiah>
what stuff
09:42
<yeedl>
http://edin.no-ip.com/content/ltsp-ubuntu-intrepid-mini-howto
09:42
<Appiah>
intrepid
09:42
old :)
09:42
<yeedl>
http://www.linuxnix.com/2010/02/how-to-linux-terminal-server-project-ltsp.html
09:42
well, im not using intrepid, im using debian squeeze if that matters :p
09:43
<Appiah>
pastebin your lts.conf
09:45
that last link uses ltsp 4.2
09:45
not ltsp5
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<yeedl>
OY
09:47
err oy. uhm. all i got in it is rdp server and screen1 configured
09:47
and ltsp config true. any other option i needa set?
09:47
<Appiah>
let me us see
09:47
me/us
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<yeedl>
http://pastebin.com/zF1PYqxY
09:50
sory bout that wait..
09:52
<Appiah>
maybe just a paste error but you are missing [
09:52
and switch to SCREEN_07 =
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and where is your lts.conf located?
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<yeedl>
errm yea, paste error
09:54
the [ is there
09:54
07 and not 7?
09:55
<Appiah>
07
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<yeedl>
my lts.conf is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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<Appiah>
thats ltsp4 style
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/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<yeedl>
erm.
09:56
ahh
09:56
havent been editing that one
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<Appiah>
!lts.conf
09:56
<ltspbot>
Appiah: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<Appiah>
i think the /opt/ltsp file even says DONT EDIT IN HERE, atleast it does in ubuntu
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I'm leaving now...
09:58
good luck
09:59
<ddunn>
I did RTFM LTSP Administrators Reference but client printing is still busted /var/lib/tftpboot/i386 contains lts.conf and clients with printers are listed
09:59
idle -connecting to printer
10:00
<yeedl>
http://pastebin.com/ismQPEMV
10:00
i dont have an lts.conf in that directory Appiah
10:00
<ddunn>
any ideas what could stop printing from working
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<Appiah>
create it yeedl
10:01
bye
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<ddunn>
recently my printing died on the clients ubuntu 9.10 , it was working fine for months,network printing works fine but not local
10:06
print job appears to be sent to client but does not print idle - connecting to printer
10:08
I can ping the client IP
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i thought it was just usb but it is not
10:14
i've tried cups 1.40 through 1.4.6 different symptoms same result but 1.4.3 did bitch alot about usblp kernel something and would not compile
10:17
just stuck in a thumb drive that still mounts ok
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<ddunn>
does anyone have printing working in ubuntu 9.10 fully patched ?
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<ddunn>
I did RTFM LTSP Administrators Reference but client printing is still busted /var/lib/tftpboot/i386 contains lts.conf and clients with printers are listed
10:36
print job appears to be sent to client but does not print idle - connecting to printer
10:46
I'm setting up a 10.10 to see if that will print to clients
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<Gadi>
ddunn: can you telnet <thinclient> 9100?
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<ddunn>
no
10:51
connection refused
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<Gadi>
if you are sitting at the thin client, open a local xterm
10:51
<ddunn>
k
10:51
<Gadi>
!localxterm
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
10:51
<Gadi>
and in the xterm, type: ps -efw|grep jetpipe
10:52
<ddunn>
ddunn 9615 9597 0 19:53 pts/1 00:00:00 grep --color=auto jetpipe no dice
10:52
<Gadi>
type: getltscfg -a|grep PRINT
10:52
<ddunn>
no jet no print
10:53
ut uh
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yikes syntax error lts.conf line 2
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<Gadi>
therre ya go
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<ddunn>
oh man
10:54
oh snap missing one "]"
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brb
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<ddunn>
ok well once the hole in foot heals and i stop limping around no will know
10:58
Thank you Gadi
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11:01
<dgroos>
Successfully built first fat-client image over the long weekend and got to school, it boots!
11:01
2 questions--
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How do I get a client to choose which image it boots from...
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<dgroos>
and 2, how do I recreate the thin-client image--I deleted it when I built the fat-client image. I've tried to create a new thin client image but it makes the fat image.
11:04
<ddunn>
dhcp can assign images
11:04
<dgroos>
*didn't delete the old image, it got written over.
11:05
ddunn: OK--I'll check into that.
11:05
<ddunn>
ltsp-update-image
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<dgroos>
I did that and it just made another copy of the fat-client chroot.
11:06
<ddunn>
I saw this on a site somewhere
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<dgroos>
I even rename things in the /opt/ltsp/ directory to the way they were, moving the fat stuff to it's own directory.
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<ddunn>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2007-November/002593.html
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<dgroos>
ddunn: That looks like it will help me with question #1--clients choosing image. I've saved that on delicious and is cooking on the back burner ;) thanks.
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<dgroos>
Anyone know how to tell 'ltsp-update-image' which chroot to use for the image? I've got 2 chroots.
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<Gadi>
dgroos: just use the same image for thin and fat
11:17
for those you want to be thin, set: FAT_CLIENT=False in lts.conf
11:18
<dgroos>
Gadi: You can do that!?
11:18
Can I get rid of the fat client chroot and go back to my thin-client image that has localapps and everything all set up?
11:19
<Gadi>
well, that one is not a fat client
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so it can never be a fat client
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(it lacks the local gnome, etc)
11:19
<dgroos>
OK :(
11:20
At this point, I need to get my thin client image back and then experiment/setup the fat client image. Ideas how?
11:20
<Gadi>
did you delete the thin client image entirely?
11:20
or did you save it somewhere?
11:21
the image is simply /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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<dgroos>
When I created the fat-client, the last step was to create the fat image and I guess it over-wrote my thin client image.
11:21
I still have the thin chroot so I want to recreate an image based on that chroot.
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<Gadi>
what was the ltsp-build-client command you used to make the fat?
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<dgroos>
But, using ltsp-update-image keeps making an image out of the fat chroot. I've tried renaming the chroots to no avail.
11:23
let me check my notes...
11:25
I used the directions on: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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I created the ltsp-build-client.conf then ran sudo ltsp-build-client
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<Gadi>
well, it must have balked and told you to rename /opt/ltsp/i386, right?
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(from your thin chroot)
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<dgroos>
Yes, I called it /opt/ltsp/i386-thin.
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<Gadi>
so, now you have : /opt/ltsp/i386-thin and /opt/ltsp/i386
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right?
11:29
if so, the easiest thing for you to do, if you want to go back to having thin client by default, is to:
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mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386-fat
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<dgroos>
I did, but I renamed the new /opt/ltsp/i386-->/opt/ltsp/i386-fat and changed the /opt/ltsp/i386-thin--> /opt/ltsp/i386.
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<Gadi>
ok
11:30
now, you have 2 chroots, which means each is exported on a different port
11:30
for nbd
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<dgroos>
I think so, 2000 for the old? and 2001 for the fat.
11:30
<Gadi>
ltsp-update-image (with no arguments, will assume you want the chroot named with the same architecture as the server)
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ltsp-update-image -a i386-fat
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<dgroos>
hmmm... server is 64...
11:31
<Gadi>
will make the image out of the fat chroot
11:31
<dgroos>
ohhhh... let me try it :)
11:32
<Gadi>
to see which your clients are booting, check /etc/inetd.conf for the port numbers
11:32
<dgroos>
Also I can just check to see if the program I need my students to use, works :)
11:32
<Gadi>
and check /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default for the argument being passed
11:32
<dgroos>
right.
11:33
<Gadi>
(no argument = 2000)
11:33
<dgroos>
so will this create 2 images or do they overwrite?
11:33
<Gadi>
they do not overwrite
11:33
<dgroos>
one for the -i386-fat and another for the i386-thin.
11:33
<Gadi>
here's how it works:
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<dgroos>
ok
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<Gadi>
dhcpd.conf tells the client the path for pxelinux.0 and pxelinux.cfg, by extension
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pxelinux.cfg passes the nbdport
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telling the client what image to use
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each image can be connected to on a different port
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so, if you want i386-fat
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you should only need to change dhcpd.conf
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to point to /ltsp/i386-fat/pxelinux.0
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instead of /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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(you should see a directory for each chroot under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
11:36
and if ltsp-update-image is doing the right thing, it is populating the right port numbers in the right places
11:36
of course, if you keep moving things around, it may get confused
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:)
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ltsp-update-kernels will update all the tftpboot dirs and their pxelinux.cfgs
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<dgroos>
it and me both :)
11:37
I've got 3 directories in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
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<Gadi>
probably from when you renamed things and ran ltsp-update-image
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ltsp-update-image runs ltsp-update-kernels by default
11:39
in order to make sure everything is on its own port
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<dgroos>
I ran: sudo ltsp-update-image -a i386
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and it said: Cannot determine assigned port. Assigning to port 2001.
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mkdir: cannot create directory `/opt/ltsp/fat-image/etc/ltsp': No such file or directory
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I'm thinking there must be some config file for ltsp-update-image command that's following around the fat client chroot no matter what I rename it.
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<Gadi>
no
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<Gadi>
it analyzes all chroots
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so it can determine the port
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it is building an image for i386
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but when it comes to port assignment, it needs to look at what ports the other chroots are on
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which is stored in $chroot/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
11:45
<dgroos>
Also said: Regenerating kernel...
11:45
chroot: cannot run command `/usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels': No such file or directory (sorry for all the output here--not able to get to a pastebin at the moment)
11:46
<Gadi>
right
11:46
that chroot is broken
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<dgroos>
OK, that's the fat one and I can live with that.
11:47
Think I should remove it?
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<Gadi>
it is harmless for now
11:48
just try and get your thin clients booting again
11:48
then, you can remove it
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<dgroos>
my clients can't boot, they go through the whole process of booting but just when the login screen is supposed to appear, they say:
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Error: failed to connect to NBD server 192.168.0.1:2000
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<Gadi>
grep 2000 /etc/inetd.conf
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<dgroos>
returns nothing--just back to prompt.
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<Gadi>
run: ltsp-update-kernels
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<dgroos>
OK
11:53
checking for 2001 brought:
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grep 2001 /etc/inetd.conf
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2001 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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:)
11:54
<Gadi>
more /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<dgroos>
Skipping invalid chroot: /opt/ltsp/fat-image
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Updating /var/lib/tftpboot directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386
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command not found?
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<Gadi>
you made a typo
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<dgroos>
I get 'permission denied' if I don't sudo...
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sudo /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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sudo: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default: command not found
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<Gadi>
sudo more....
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<dgroos>
"more" is part of the command? :D
11:58
<Gadi>
yes
11:58
<dgroos>
That's a new one for me!
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<Gadi>
more, less, cat
11:59
any of those
11:59
:)
11:59
<dgroos>
nice!
11:59
OK it worked. Now?
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<Gadi>
did it say nbdport=2000
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or some such?
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<dgroos>
yes
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<Gadi>
then thats the problem
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do: ltsp-update-image --arch i386 --force
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sudo (of course)
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<dgroos>
Alas... the teacher is a slave to the bells. My lunch/prep period just ended and the 9th grade cherubs are soon to converge on the door.
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<Gadi>
that will force it to recalculate all ports and such and get things in the right order
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<dgroos>
Gadi: Thanks so much for your help and teachings.
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<Gadi>
just do that and you will be good to go
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sudo ltsp-update-image --arch i386 --force
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<dgroos>
I'll try to slip that in! Thanks!!! I'll post results if I can.
12:02
Bye :)
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<cliebow>
Gadi:got a sec?
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<Gadi>
sure
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<cliebow>
i have a stubborn ldap that creates a machine account but winders machine wont join the domain...unknow n username or pw..i canr find anything in the logs to point me where to go..you have any hints?
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<Gadi>
"unknown username or password" as in for the administrator?
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<cliebow>
from winders you enter a name and pw..usualy root and a pw from openldap account with uid 0 and gid 0
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<Gadi>
sounds like a samba problem
12:47
check the samba logs
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<cliebow>
i will go over it again.,.thanks!
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<robehend1>
dgroos: My science teachers would like to thank you for the hint to use the PHET system. Works great.
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<dgroos>
Gadi: It did the trick!
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Now all I've got to do is improve the fat-client chroot and then I can use that, instead.
15:42
robehend1: Glad it works :D
15:43
One way to bring teachers along is show them things that are way better (in their eyes) than what they were doing.
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<robehend1>
fat clients are awesome. I really like being able to use the local hardware, such as scanners, printers, webcam, etc, with the thin-client
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<dgroos>
those sims on the PHET site are like that.
15:44
Animations are good--easy to see the benefit.
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<robehend1>
yep. and the fact you can manipulate them to show different data is the part they like
15:45
used the "how to build a circuit" one today with my 4th graders, all on fat clients. they loved seeing what they could build
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<dgroos>
robehend1: you were the one that let me know that fat-clients *do* work well on P4's with 512 MB of RAM. :)
15:46
<robehend1>
suprising, isnt it? the things barely chugged along with XP on it
15:46
<dgroos>
nice.
15:47
<alkisg>
And with lxde they're even faster
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<robehend1>
i do love me some lxde. I use it on my personal machines exclusively
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<dgroos>
(had visitors)
15:51
lxde?
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<robehend1>
a different DE, runs really light weight
15:53
also a bit more windows like, out of the box, with a 'start' menu kind of thing
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<dgroos>
lxde is a kind of desktop--like GNOME? Sounds interesting though I'll use the vanilla flavor for now.
15:57
<alkisg>
Right, there's ubuntu/gnome, kubuntu/kde, xubuntu/xfce, lubuntu/lxde, and more...
15:57
<robehend1>
mhmm
15:58
<alkisg>
Though I'll admin I liked debian/lxde better than lubuntu
15:58
<robehend1>
i havent tried Lubuntu, myself. I just usually install lxde to a normal ubuntu install
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<dgroos>
sudo apt-get install lxde-desktop?
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<robehend1>
sudo apt-get install lxde
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that way, you dont get all the extra junk from the desktop install
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<jammcq>
hey homies
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<mistik1>
jammcq: howdie!
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<jammcq>
mistik1: hey
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how's it going?
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