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Channel log from 16 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<indradg>
anyone here on K12Linux on Fedora 10?
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<noob1>
still wont work...
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<epaphus>
hello all :)
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<scottmaccal>
Morning
08:49
<squarepeg>
Scottie!!and Scottie!!
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<sbalneav>
scottmaccal: Saw your bug, do you have automake installed?
08:52* scottmaccal banged his knee on his desk
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<scottmaccal>
sbalneav: I will check
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<scottmaccal>
sbalneav: yes
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<Appiah>
1).. they do? 2) oh thats their form of art 3) the challenge
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<sbalneav>
1) 2 or 3 times on my car 2) And why does one do art? 3) And one accepts challenges because...?
09:18
<scottmaccal>
they can
09:19
?
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<Appiah>
achivements and that stuff
09:21
so seriously , they smasked your car window just to take the money from the ashtray? nothing else?
09:21
<sbalneav>
Yup
09:21
<Appiah>
=/
09:21
<scottmaccal>
I do it to learn and better myself. If that helps other then even better. :-)
09:22
<Appiah>
scottmaccal smask car windows? :D
09:22
<scottmaccal>
eheheheh
09:22
no
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<Appiah>
smash*
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<sbalneav>
When I used to park in a parking lot that had an electronic exit pass, someone smashed my window, took the pass, exited the parkade, and threw the pass away :)
09:22
Hey, they saved themselves 5 bucks, so why not.
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<Appiah>
hahaha
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<scottmaccal>
sbalneav: I am sorry :-(
09:23
<sbalneav>
Meh, water under the bridge.
09:24
1) Don't let the small things get you down. 2) They're all small things.
09:24
<scottmaccal>
I thought you were giving a test on free software development.
09:24
<sbalneav>
No, we were discussiong why freenode's getting DDOS'd
09:25
Appiah asked why people do it, and I posited that it's simply because they can.
09:25
<Appiah>
:)
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<sbalneav>
"Just for the hell of it", "just cause I can", "Cause I think it's neat!" are the 3 phrases that have been at the bottom of all of recorded history.
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<Gadi>
for a time it was "Eat my shorts"
09:29
but that passed...
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<mgariepy>
good morning everybody
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<scottmaccal>
mgariepy: morning
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ping?
10:25
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: pong
10:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
woo!
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<epaphus>
:D
10:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so the next step: running italc on a ltsp cluster.
10:27
installing it on the server only, (I.E. no chroot install) doesn't seem to detect clients like it did with a single server.
10:27
<johnny>
/me is annoyed at launchpad tracker
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it's hard to filter
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<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: I've never even seen ltsp cluster, but if there are multiple servers installed, they all need the same italc keys
10:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ahhhh~~~
10:29
ok, lemme give that a shot :)
10:30
<sbalneav>
scottmaccal: Which version of automake?
10:30
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: you may want to use rsync or tar to correctly transfer the keys (with attributes, owners etc)
10:31
I think italc will refuse to start if the private keys are accessible from anyone
10:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ok.
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<johnny>
or just cp -a ..
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<alkisg>
johnny: scp in ubuntu has problems...
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scp root@server won't work because root doesn't have a password by default
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<johnny>
that reminds me
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what are you supposed to do on a default install of ubuntu and you get a fs issues and need to enter root password for maintenance
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<alkisg>
I don't think it prompts for a password there, does it?
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<sbalneav>
Well, that's not a problem :) either set a password for root, or, set up a key for root.
10:39* alkisg uses ssh sudo tar | untar locally :P :D
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<johnny>
sure.. but what's a user to do.. when they've been running their system fine for a year or whateve.r. not knowing about the root password at all
10:40
and then they dropped to a console after fs issue and vet asked for a root password
10:40
get*
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<alkisg>
But do they? I don't think they do...
10:41
I don't think it prompts for a password
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<sbalneav>
No different from the people who set their root password, don't deal with it for a year, then they've forgotten it. :)
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<sbalneav>
boot init=/bin/sh, or insert a bootable cd, and repair the disk that way.
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<scottmaccal>
sbalneav: GNU automake: 1.10.1
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: the key copying worked
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<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: is there any way to auto-detect logged in clients in italc? The only way it appears that I can do that is restarting iTalc
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<shawnp0wers>
Anyone familiar enough with how NBD works to be able to tell me if it's possible to boot from a single TFTP server, and "hand off" clients to second LTSP servers?
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<alkisg>
Sure
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Tftp is a different stage from nbd
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<shawnp0wers>
Right, but I'm not sure how to "hand off" to the NBD server for the root directory
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<alkisg>
How do you want to seperate which client goes to which server?
11:25
Randomly?
11:25
By mac address?
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<shawnp0wers>
well, randomly or with a specified folder under pxelinux.cfg
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based on either mac address or IP
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but I'm not entirely sure what to *put* in there. :)
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<alkisg>
OK try the pxelinux.cfg first: nbdroot=serverip:2000
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(kernel parameter, put it right next to quiet splash)
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<shawnp0wers>
so I can put that in the specification for each computer... awesome
11:26
<epaphus>
TO connect as a client to an ltsp server.. what ports should the firewall have opened..??
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<shawnp0wers>
that was the magic sauce I wasn't sure of
11:27
We used to do root=server:/ltsp/root type stuff
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but that was NFS not NBD
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<alkisg>
Right
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<shawnp0wers>
ok, thank you -- I'll give it a go
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(I was worried it was all tied up into the initrd or something, and I'd need a separate one on the PXE server for each server...)
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<alkisg>
epaphus: 67,68 for dhcp, 69 for tftp, 2000 for nbd, 9572 for nbdswap, 9571 for ldminfod, and of course dns, squid etc if you want firefox as a localapp
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<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: Really, thanks a ton -- that really made my day. :)
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<epaphus>
oh
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ok
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<Gadi>
alkisg: dont forget 22 for ssh and optionally 6000-6010 for X (when using LDM_DIRECTX)
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<epaphus>
thanks :)
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<alkisg>
Ty Gadi :)
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<Gadi>
alkisg: actually, there's also 4713 for sound, and 9100 for local printing and hmm... what do we use for removable media again ? ;)
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<alkisg>
Is there really (usually) need for a firefox in the LTSP-facing NIC?
11:34
***firewall, not firefox :D
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<indradg>
hi... anyone here who can shine light on yum installing inside ltsp5 chroot on K12Linux
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<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: I have another question... the server IP is no longer specified in lts.conf, does it use the same IP as the NBD server? or is that another kernel option?
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<tryltsp>
Hello guys, im using ltsp5 and dont cant use serial mouse. some onde can help-me? (ltsp5+ubunto 9.10)
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wen i execute "getltspcfg -a" i can see the config work, but mouse not work.
11:59
if i install gpm i can use mouse in terminal (text mode)
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so i think the problen is the X.
12:00
what script configure the xorg in the terminal?
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<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: nevermind, I'm pretty sure it does (I just tested, and it appears to be using the same server as the NBD image I pointed it to)
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<indradg>
anyone here using FL_Teachertool on K12Linux?
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<shawnp0wers>
indradg: when I have to, I'm trying desperately to get away from k12linux though
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<tryltsp>
no one?
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<Gadi>
tryltsp: try: X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0
12:04
in your lts.conf
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<alkisg>
shawnp0wers: yup, like you said it, SERVER defaults to nbdroot if it isn't declared in lts.conf.
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<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: that is really perfect for my attempts to load balance at the PXE level. :)
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<jhutchins_lt>
tryltsp: Hang on a sec...
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tryltsp:
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X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0
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X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = Microsoft
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in lts.conf. I doubt you'll even get gpm to install.
12:11
<tryltsp>
Gadi: ive do it
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<tryltsp>
Gadi: and see this config if execute getltspcfg -a in the terminal, but mouse not work in graphics mode
12:12
jhutchins: ive do it and see this config if execute getltspcfg -a in the terminal (text-mode), but mouse not work in graphics
12:13
jhutchins Gadi: other idea?
12:13
<alkisg>
Is the serial module even loaded by default in 9.10?
12:13
Ah, you said you could see the mouse from console.. hm...
12:14
<tryltsp>
alkisg: good ideia, i will look for it now
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<tryltsp>
alkisg: in the consolse if I install gpm, the mouse work, but in graphics mode no
12:14
<jhutchins_lt>
tryltsp: This is on the client, right?
12:15
<tryltsp>
jhutchins_lt: yea
12:15
<johnny>
x doesn't use gpm..
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<jhutchins_lt>
tryltsp: Do you know which port the mouse is on? Does /dev/mouse exist?
12:15
<tryltsp>
johnny: i know. i use gpm to test if the serial port is ok
12:16
<shawnp0wers>
General Question: is there anything in the chroot that is specific to the server it's on? ie, can I rsync it and the NBD image file to multiple LTSP servers?
12:17
Or do I need to create it on each server?
12:17
<johnny>
no, nothin specific
12:17
<shawnp0wers>
ok, cool
12:17
<johnny>
as long as you're using tftp for lts.conf
12:17
<shawnp0wers>
yes, indeed
12:17
and one central tftp server, so one lts.conf! w00t!
12:17
:)
12:19
<tryltsp>
alkisg: I execute lsmod, before configure the mouse in the gpm, after execute again, and no new module is up.
12:19
alkisg: i belive the X not using config getting in getltspcfg. Do you know how can i see it?
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<Gadi>
tryltsp: at the console, type: inputattach Microsoft /dev/ttyS0
12:20
then, hit ctrl-alt-backspace on the gui screen
12:21
<tryltsp>
Gadi: invalid mode
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--microsoft
12:22
<Gadi>
ah, sorry
12:22
yeah
12:22
<tryltsp>
Gadi: work
12:23
<Gadi>
it works in the gui now?
12:23
<tryltsp>
Gadi: Yes
12:23
<Gadi>
I found some insights here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/9068
12:24
<tryltsp>
Gadi: thanks
12:24
<Gadi>
see post #76
12:24
perhaps if you make those changes in the chorrt to the .fdi file and update the image, it will do the right thing?
12:24
otherwise, you can always create a script to run on boot that executes the inputattach command
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12:27
<jelly-bean1>
has anyone succesfully gotten compiz working on a ltsp thin client
12:28
or emerald themes
12:28
<shawnp0wers>
jelly-bean1: yes, very very well
12:28
compiz anyway
12:28
It "just works" for me
12:28
<jelly-bean1>
shawnp0wers: i am trying it now. i added SKIP_CHECK=TRUE but when i select compiz the screen goes white :/
12:29
<shawnp0wers>
Huh -- I actually did nothing, I just installed the compizconfig-manager thingy
12:29
<jelly-bean1>
VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 XT]
12:29
<shawnp0wers>
and all works well
12:29
<jelly-bean1>
u run that on client?
12:29
<shawnp0wers>
I have an intel 945 I think
12:29
yep
12:29
actually, just running the "apearance" panel thingy in gnome works too
12:29
not as fine tuned
12:30
<jelly-bean1>
its probably the ati drivers
12:30
<shawnp0wers>
but seems to give "wiggly windows" which is always good for oohs and aahs
12:30
<jelly-bean1>
haha
12:30
<shawnp0wers>
probably. :(
12:32
<jelly-bean1>
this is my error exactly http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=841344
12:32
<johnny>
alkisg, yes.. i do get that issue when i had to fsck my gf's ubuntu install
12:32
perhaps she needs a fresh install
12:33
<Gadi>
jelly-bean1: is ati on the server or the client?
12:33
<jelly-bean1>
server
12:33
<Gadi>
ok, and you did: SKIP_CHECKS=YES
12:34
<jelly-bean1>
yes. and client has nvidia geforce
12:34
if that matters
12:34
<Gadi>
I mean SKIP_CHECKS=yes
12:34
<jelly-bean1>
before i did skip checks it would tell me desktop is not available ors omething
12:34
<Gadi>
(it is important to be exact and case sensitive)
12:34
<jelly-bean1>
like when i would choose something under appearance other than "none" i would get an alert box which prevented me
12:35
but after i did the skip checks that went away and it appears to try but goes to white screen
12:35
<johnny>
does the live cd use SKIP_CHECKS?
12:35
<jelly-bean1>
earlier i was seeing an error about xgl too
12:35
<johnny>
also on my gf's ubuntu install the livecd has wobbly windows
12:35
<jelly-bean1>
so i am thinking its an xgl and ati driver compatibility thing
12:35
<johnny>
but it won't let me enable them on her actual install
12:35
xgl is dead..
12:35
been dead
12:35
<Gadi>
the liveCD worked on the nvidia machine?
12:35
<johnny>
doesn't get used sicne years..
12:36
<Gadi>
has nothing to do with the ati driver
12:36
it doesnt come into play if you skip the checks
12:36
it would only have to do with the nvidia driver you are using
12:36
try: gxinfo|grep direct
12:36
oops
12:37
glxinfo|grep direct
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<jelly-bean1>
Error: unable to open display
12:38
via ssh or on the thin client?
12:38
<Gadi>
in the gui
12:38
on the thin client
12:39
<jelly-bean1>
direct rendering: No
12:39
<Gadi>
there ya go
12:39
you need an nvidia driver installed with direct rendering support
12:39
in the chroot
12:40
before you can have compiz
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<jelly-bean1>
so chroot and then run envyng ?
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<jelly-bean1>
or try it on the thin client?
12:41
what about this: i just created /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf and put LDM_DIRECTX=yes
12:41
does that help?
12:41
<Gadi>
yeah - you must use LDM_DIRECTX
12:41
if you tunnel through ssh, you won't get compiz
12:42
you have a 64-bit chroot?
12:42
make sure you actually put:
12:42
[default]
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LDM_DIRECTX=True
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in that file
12:43
<shawnp0wers>
Another general question: Does each .img file get a separate port for NBD?
12:43
<Gadi>
yes
12:43
<shawnp0wers>
oh, and the kernel flag woudl specify
12:43
I get it
12:43
does it default to port 2000 though?
12:44
<Gadi>
yes
12:44
<shawnp0wers>
I'm learning so much
12:44
lol
12:45
<jelly-bean1>
Gadi: ok updated the file. do i need to restart anything or just logout on client and back in?
12:45
<Gadi>
reboot the client
12:46
<jelly-bean1>
Gadi: i am using 64-bit amd64 image and the client and server are 64-bit cpu. dunno what you mean by chroot tho.
12:46
<Gadi>
no worries then
12:46
:)
12:46
<Appiah>
chroot is the image that you built for the clients
12:47
so you got 64bit clients, are those thin clients?
12:48
<jelly-bean1>
yes
12:49
Gadi: no improvement. how do i get the nvidia driver installed w/ direct rendering support in the chroot?
12:49
<Appiah>
O_o
12:49
installing the nvidia driver in the chroot then forcing that driver with those settings in lts.conf
12:49
if it's not getting auto-detected that is
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<jelly-bean1>
how do i install in chroot?
12:50
and the only thing my lts.conf has are those two lines Gadi pasted above
12:50
<Gadi>
jelly-bean1: before you proceed, do: echo $DISPLAY in the thin client gui
12:50
<jelly-bean1>
localhost:11.0
12:51
<Gadi>
jelly-bean1: your configuration didnt take
12:52
<jelly-bean1>
:o
12:52
<Gadi>
you are still tunneling thru ssh
12:52
<jelly-bean1>
which one? lts.conf?
12:52
<Gadi>
yeah
12:52
your lts.conf
12:52
<jelly-bean1>
cuz i put skip_checks in another file... /etc/xdg/compiz/compiz-manager
12:52
<Gadi>
nah, the LDM_DIRECTX=True didnt take
12:53
<jelly-bean1>
do i have to put it in /opt/ltsp/amd64/etc/lts.conf instead?
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<jelly-bean1>
instead of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
12:53
or rebuild image
12:53
<shawnp0wers>
jelly-bean1: Did you reboot after adding the file?
12:53
<jelly-bean1>
i rebooted the thin client, yes
12:53
<Gadi>
nah - that should have worked
12:53
<jelly-bean1>
before i had it = yes
12:53
<Gadi>
can you pastebot the lts.conf file?
12:53
<jelly-bean1>
but i changed it to True like u put
12:53
<Gadi>
!pastebot
12:53
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
12:54
<jelly-bean1>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d536f869a
12:55
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27 2009-12-16 11:45 lts.conf
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in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64
12:55
<Gadi>
that should work - did you do anything weird with your dhcp setup or anything?
12:55
<jelly-bean1>
yes
12:55
pfsense is serving dhcp
12:55
the 3 options for boot server
12:55
i am not using ltsp dhcp3
12:56
<Gadi>
ok, and what is the filename in the dhcp server?
12:56
<jelly-bean1>
filename is /ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0 root-path iis /opt/ltsp/amd64
12:57
<Gadi>
can you try adding to your pxelinux.cfg/default file the kernel argument: nbdroot=<ltsp_server_ip>:2000
12:57
try that, and I will be back in a bit (meeting)
12:59
<jelly-bean1>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d5787d8cd
12:59
thtas what it looks like now
12:59
restarting thin client
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<shawnp0wers>
jelly-bean1: I think you have to put it on the append line
13:02
<jelly-bean1>
ya it didnt change anything. k trying that
13:03
<shawnp0wers>
Also, I came in late here -- but I'm not sure what IPAPPEND 3 does
13:03
<jelly-bean1>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d2a5f67f7
13:03
<shawnp0wers>
yes, that's the correct configuration for the nbdroot= line
13:03
<jelly-bean1>
ipappend 3 tells ltsp to ignore unexpected dhcp options which our pfsense router issues
13:03
<shawnp0wers>
ahh, gotcha
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<jelly-bean1>
restarted thin client but no changes
13:06
same output from those two commands and white screen when enabling effects
13:06
i wonder if this would 'just work' for me if the ltsp server had nvidia hardware?
13:06
<shawnp0wers>
probably not, ironically, my server has an ATI card, but my thin clients have Intel
13:07
<jelly-bean1>
i wonder how to ensure lts.conf is loaded by thin client
13:08
i had to create that file, it wasn't there before
13:08
<shawnp0wers>
yeah, it's not there by default
13:09
<jelly-bean1>
what is Gadi expecting to see from echo $DISPLAY?
13:09
<shawnp0wers>
you could add a SCREEN_07=shell -- that should be noticable. :)
13:09
<jelly-bean1>
to lts.conf?
13:09
under [default]?
13:09
<shawnp0wers>
yes
13:09
<jelly-bean1>
k did. rebooting thin client
13:10
<shawnp0wers>
::
13:10
oops, wrong window
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<jelly-bean1>
should the thin client be able to shut down? i tell it to restart and it appears to hang. i havent waited more than3 min tho
13:10
it says stuff about attempting to send data on closed socket
13:10
<shawnp0wers>
uh... I'd just power it off
13:11
<jelly-bean1>
and no effect
13:11
still booted into xwindows
13:11
<shawnp0wers>
O.o
13:11
<jelly-bean1>
so the conf file not being read?
13:11
<shawnp0wers>
that's my guess
13:11
I think SCREEN_07=shell should dump you right into a shell
13:13
<jelly-bean1>
Start your file with the [Default] section.
13:13
Then every setting must be indented. Either with 2 or more spaces or a tab.
13:13
If not indented, the file will not be parsed correctly and your changes will have no effect.
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<jelly-bean1>
thats what this site says
13:14
but even that didnt help
13:14
<shawnp0wers>
yeah -- dumps me into shell if I add that setting (jus tetsted)
13:14
I have no indents either... O.o
13:15
<jelly-bean1>
After changing your lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc, you need to run ltsp-update-image to put it in effect.
13:15
In ltsp 5, you can actually make changes to lts.conf without running ltsp-update-image, but you need to move the lts.conf to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386.
13:15
<shawnp0wers>
yes, correct
13:15
the one in the tftpboot directory is the one we're both talking about
13:15
<jelly-bean1>
im assuming i have ltsp 5 because i have latest ubuntu karmic
13:15
<shawnp0wers>
yes
13:15
<johnny>
yes..
13:15
<squarepeg>
ja
13:15
<jelly-bean1>
i dont use i386 i use amd64 tho
13:15
so i put it in there
13:15
<johnny>
altho.. i still can't get the lts.conf to work on my setup yet.. from tftpboot
13:16
yes.. of course..
13:16
the default is i386 for most tho
13:16
<shawnp0wers>
right, that's *shouldn't* matter, but admittedly I've never done it. :)
13:16
<johnny>
you're a rarity to have amd64 clients
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<alkisg>
jelly-bean1: for the restart problem, it's a known bug that was solved shortly after the Karmic release.
13:18
<jelly-bean1>
ah
13:18
<alkisg>
Where have you put the lts.conf file? And, can you upload it to pastebin?
13:18
<jelly-bean1>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/d536f869a
13:18
<alkisg>
To see if it's parsed, run: ltsp-localapps xterm
13:19
An xterm should emerge. In that, run: getltscfg -a
13:19
<jelly-bean1>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf
13:19
<alkisg>
You should see whatever you have in lts.conf.
13:19
<jelly-bean1>
do this from thin client?
13:19
<alkisg>
Can you also upload /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
13:19
Yes, from the thin client.
13:19
<jelly-bean1>
yes but i dont use dhcp3
13:19
<alkisg>
dnsmasq then
13:20
(whatever :))
13:20
<jelly-bean1>
alkisg: the getltscfg -a returns nothing in the xterm window
13:20
no error tho
13:20
<alkisg>
It's not downloaded then
13:20
<jelly-bean1>
i use pfsense freebsd router
13:20
to issue the 3 options
13:21
<alkisg>
Ugh. Post any boot-filename related settings
13:21
<jelly-bean1>
filename is /ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0 root-path iis /opt/ltsp/amd64
13:22
<alkisg>
Is there a setting to send the filename based on the vendor id?
13:22
E.g. PXEClient:/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0 ?
13:22
<jelly-bean1>
johnny: the amd64 clients locally these days are cheaper than the small form-factor thin clients online + shipping :)
13:22
<alkisg>
(a setting currently *in effect*, I mean)
13:22
<jelly-bean1>
alkisg: no. all clients get same options
13:23
<alkisg>
OK, also, there are 2 dhcp options for the filename
13:23
One is inside the dhcp structure, and the other one is option 67 if I remember correctly
13:23
<jelly-bean1>
i am only sending 3 options
13:23
<alkisg>
If pfsense is sending the filename as option 67, then the clients don't get lts.conf
13:23
<jelly-bean1>
Enter the IP address from the network boot server. Enter the filename used for network booting. Enter option root-path.
13:24
i'll check
13:24
<alkisg>
jelly-bean1: never mind, let's skip it to the workarounds
13:25
If no filename is send to the dhcp request in initramfs, then the default /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 is used and then lts.conf is searched in /ltsp/i386/lts.conf
13:25
So, make a symlink in the server
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<alkisg>
mkdir thepath; ln -s ../amd64/pxelinux.0 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
13:26
<jelly-bean1>
:o
13:26
its been booting i386 all this time!
13:27
?
13:27
<alkisg>
No, just lts.conf
13:27
<jelly-bean1>
shoudlnt i symlink the conf then
13:27
<alkisg>
Ugh sorry
13:27
My bad
13:27
Yup, I meant to symlink lts.conf
13:28
<jelly-bean1>
root@helium:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386# ln -s ../amd64/lts.conf .
13:28
k done
13:28
restart thin cilent?
13:28
<alkisg>
Yup
13:28
<jelly-bean1>
it worked
13:28
im dumped to shell
13:29
<shawnp0wers>
hehehe, yeah, my fault
13:29
:D
13:29
<jelly-bean1>
yay. k removed that . rebootting again
13:29
<shawnp0wers>
just delete that SCREEN_07 line
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13:31
<jelly-bean1>
now $DISPLAY = 10.1.10.59:7.0
13:31
but glxinfo says direct: No and still get white screen when enabling effects
13:32
<sbalneav>
What kind of video card's in the thin clients.
13:32
<jelly-bean1>
nvidia geforce
13:32
<sbalneav>
I don't think they work remotely with compiz
13:32
<jelly-bean1>
server is ati VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV610 [Radeon HD 2400 XT]
13:33
<sbalneav>
The only thin clients I've seen that have been working successfully with remote compiz are Intel ones.
13:33
<jelly-bean1>
shawnp0wers says his works
13:33
<shawnp0wers>
I'm using intel
13:33
:)
13:33
<jelly-bean1>
o
13:34
:(
13:34
like what? onboard video?
13:34
<sbalneav>
And, IMNSHO, compiz is the absolute, all time, hands down, undisputed, biggest waste of time, effort, and processing cycles.
13:34
<jelly-bean1>
what intel chipset?
13:34
<shawnp0wers>
just cheapy 915 I think
13:34
or 945, don't remember
13:34
Dell GX-270s
13:34
And the disklessworkstations Term-1520
13:34
both work great with compiz, both using intel chipsets
13:35
<jelly-bean1>
i have a machien with intel chipset
13:35
trying it now
13:35
<sbalneav>
It'll probably work out-of-the-box.
13:36
IIRC, someone traced it down to problems with the nvidia driver
13:36
it was either the nvidia driver or the ati driver, was a couple of weeks ago.
13:36
<jelly-bean1>
i'll have to switch to the i386 image tho
13:36
<sbalneav>
try the irc logs
13:36
<jelly-bean1>
alkisg: is ther a fix i can get for karmic restart?
13:36
<alkisg>
!stgraber-ppa
13:36
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" :: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
13:37
<alkisg>
Updated packages there ^^ otherwise you'd need to patch a couple of scripts
13:38
And if *all* of the clients are nvidia ones, afaik you'd get better performance if you also put an nvidia on the server, and installed the nvidia drivers both on the server and the chroot.
13:38
<jelly-bean1>
alkisg: yes they are
13:38
so how could i put nvidia on server?
13:38
<alkisg>
I mean the hardware, to change the card
13:38
<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: really? On the server?
13:39
<sbalneav>
alkisg: Yeah, wasn't there something about the compiz program first looking at the server, and buggering something up, which then mucked it up for the thin client?
13:39
<alkisg>
Because the nvidia drivers put their custom gl libs, so you'll need those libs on the server as well
13:39
<shawnp0wers>
oh oh oh, gotcha
13:39
<alkisg>
sbalneav: I've seen an [nvidia drivers on the server + intel clients] rotated screen problem..
13:39
<sbalneav>
yeah, yeah. That was it.
13:40
<alkisg>
...which was solved by either uninstalling the drivers, or by disabling compiz
13:40
<sbalneav>
And it was something goofy that compiz was doing in it's tests to see if you can run compiz.
13:41
<shawnp0wers>
The thing about compiz is that it really sells thin clients to the mundane. :)
13:41
Plus, it's awesome.
13:41
<sbalneav>
I think all of compiz's problems can be solved by sudo apt-get purge compiz
13:41
<shawnp0wers>
heheheheh
13:41
<alkisg>
!sbalneav++
13:41
<sbalneav>
it's not awesome
13:41
<shawnp0wers>
it's awesome in a visually stimulating way
13:41
<sbalneav>
It's another word that STARTS with aw
13:41
<jelly-bean1>
ah the intel just works
13:41
but its laggy. is urs laggy shawnp0wers?
13:42
<shawnp0wers>
sbalneav: from a marketing standpoint, compiz is great
13:42
jelly-bean1: No, it doesn't seem to be
13:42
not any more laggy than on a standalone install
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intel isn't exactly the beefiest of hardware
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<jelly-bean1>
the wobbly is a little slow
13:43
is emerald part of compiz? i really just want to make ubuntu look like vista
13:43
the theme i have for the glass window decorators is emerald
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<alkisg>
http://my.opera.com/ubuntunerd1/blog/make-ubuntu-look-like-windows-vista
13:44
:D
13:44* shawnp0wers considers buying sbalneav a "I <3 Compiz" t-shirt for Christmas
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
heheheh @ shawnp0wers
13:50* Gadi wonders why you wouldnt aim to look like Windows 7 - Windows Vista is so last year
13:50
<CAN-o-SPAM>
that comment was so Gadi
13:51
have you tried Win 7 yet? I thought it was great ... till the video drivers repeatedly crashed :(
13:51* Gadi hasn't had the pleasure but has worked some with w2k8r2 - which is about the same
13:52
<CAN-o-SPAM>
gadi: you have seamlessRDP working with rdesktop 1.6? for r2?
13:52
<Gadi>
havent tried
13:52
(yet)
13:52
:)
13:52
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ya i'm at the same point
13:52
<Gadi>
rdesktop is a bit f'd up vis-a-vis w2k8r2
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
seen the mouse color issue?
13:53
<ltsplogbot>
I don't know who the is.
13:53
<Gadi>
but only because M$ broke its own backwards compatability
13:53
its amazing how you can draft a spec and then not adhere to it when you implement your code
13:54
<CAN-o-SPAM>
gadi: have you seen the issue with color of the mouse cursor?
13:54
<Gadi>
mouse color is a case in point
13:54
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ok thank you
13:54
heh
13:54
<Gadi>
:)
13:54
sorry - I need at least a 5 min intro to rant
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<Compiz_Boy>
lol
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: So, I had to drink my beer alone last nite!
13:55
And you know when I drink alone...
13:55
I prefer to be by myself :)
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: sorry - I needed to immerse myself in other people's problems, so I watched these poor people being chased around the universe by Cylons
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<sbalneav>
I'll be home again tonight if you need to vent :)
13:57
<CAN-o-SPAM>
what time is the session?
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<sbalneav>
Dunno! Pop into irc and ping us. Phones can conference call :)
13:58
<CAN-o-SPAM>
heh might have to conference in
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: How's the bambino?
13:59
brbm workping
13:59
<Gadi>
getting big
13:59
<CAN-o-SPAM>
Gadi: is the little one writing HTML yet?
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<Gadi>
hmm... no, but I bet the older 2 will be soon
14:00
:)
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
start em young! my first prog = QBasic
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<Gadi>
I think I had a Basic Programming cartridge for the Atari 2600
14:01
but, I must admit, I played way more space invaders
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
heh ... first game i remember beating was Wolfenstein 3D!!
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<elias_a>
c64 + Pacman <3
14:08* shawnp0wers 's first programing was BASIC with his TI-99/4A
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<elias_a>
Or ZX Spectrum & Hobbit game :)
14:08
<sbalneav>
zx-81 and ant attack
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<shawnp0wers>
cassette tape backups FTW!
14:08
<sbalneav>
First programming language I learned (after basic) was ZX-Forth
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<shawnp0wers>
Mine didn't progress far after BASIC...
14:09
Pascal in high school was it
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
heh
14:09* sbalneav still has a soft spot in his skull^H^H^H^H^Hheart for Forth
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<elias_a>
Pascal <3
14:09
<shawnp0wers>
and now, even Perl stumps me
14:09* shawnp0wers goes off to buy a book
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<shawnp0wers>
ok, someone showed up to the meeting finally, ttfn
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<jelly-bean1>
how can i restrict where users can go in ltsp
14:49
i really dont want them going outside their home directory
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like each user should be jailed
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and not able to mess with each other's files or files that are on the server
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<sbalneav>
jelly-bean1: Well, you can keep them out of each others home directories with $HOME being set to mode 700
14:53
as for the rest of the system, not possible.
14:53
Same way it is on windows.
14:53
They cant write or bugger anything up, but they can see stuff.
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<jelly-bean1>
the problem is that we have source code on that server too
15:02
so we'll have to either install ltsp on its own server or something
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<johnny>
sbalneav, ...
16:15
hacky note for you buddy
16:15
David Zeuthen - "Finally, I did a really cute hack a few weeks ago - I made Palimpsest use D-Bus over TCP/IP over SSH to speak to udisks:"
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<johnny>
http://blog.fubar.dk/?p=108
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anybody interested in devicekit-disks (udisks now) should read it
16:17
and read about how it is being used remotely for headless pcs
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<jelly-bean1>
u can buy a bunch of acer one netbooks for $240 cheaper than any thin client ive seen
16:19
and then u get wireless
16:19
and a display
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<Lns>
still with the ddos...heh
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<epaphus>
ohh its a ddos??
16:27
interesting
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: ping
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: pong
16:29
just about ready to head home.
16:29
<Gadi>
hey - would you happen to know a commandline utility in X to send a key event
16:29
<sbalneav>
Ooooooh
16:29
<Gadi>
I want to send the caps lock key event in a script
16:30
<sbalneav>
no, but I've got some C code at home that does it!
16:30
<Gadi>
but not using a console util like setleds
16:30
<sbalneav>
I don't think there is one.
16:30
<Gadi>
you have C code, tho?
16:30
<sbalneav>
I'll ding you when I get home
16:30
yes
16:30
<Gadi>
cool
16:30
thx
16:30
<sbalneav>
NP
16:30
off
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<Lns>
That would make for interesting prank-ware ;)
17:12* Lns remembers an old DOS util that used to randomly CapITAlizE WoRDs sO yOU lOOkED EliTe ;)
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<sbalneav>
nubae_: Hey hey!
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<sbalneav>
stgraber-n900: Is that like the terminator version of you?
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<stgraber-n900>
it's me with the same cell as Olli :)
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<sbalneav>
Cool :)
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<sbalneav>
Evening epaphus
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19:09* sbalneav hand epaphus his "regular" badge :)
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<epaphus>
ahh sweet
19:12
thanks
19:12
<sbalneav>
Start coding, we'll make you a developer next :)
19:13
<epaphus>
are you a dev?? sbalneav
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<ehrenpr>
Anyone know of any resources, or have any ideas of how to present integrating LTSP school wide to a board of directors.
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<sbalneav>
yep
19:19
for almost 10 years :)
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<sbalneav>
Here's another!
19:19
Hey vagrantc
19:19
ehrenpr: Have you spoken with alkisg yet? he's probably got stuff in greek for you.
19:20
Google about, there's been lots of presentations published.
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<ehrenpr>
Not yet..
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<sbalneav>
k12ltsp used to have some good stuff on their site
19:20
and I know edubuntu has some materials on theirs.
19:20* vagrantc waves
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<ehrenpr>
Ok. I was thinking about having them check out my setup in my room, but I want to stay away from sounding too technical.
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<epaphus>
sbalneav, are you a LTSP dev?
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<vagrantc>
one of the grand masters
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<sbalneav>
epaphus: yeah, for almost 10 years, like I said before
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I think I was the first "dev" after Jim.
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bbiab
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gotta run out for a bit
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<sbalneav>
back
21:01* Gadi_eeepc waves to sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
Gadi_eeepc: Hey hey
21:02
want come code?
21:02
<Gadi_eeepc>
love some
21:05* vagrantc ponders
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<Gadi_eeepc>
vagrantc: whydont you ever get me code for Chanuka?
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Gadi_eeepc's looking for some sexy sexy C code to send keyboard events to windows.
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<vagrantc>
Gadi_eeepc: i blame my haircut
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<sbalneav>
Just so happens I write sexy sexy C code :)
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