IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<GiantPickle>
anyone around and have experience with edubuntu ltsp server and the LTSP Term 1000's ?
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<GiantPickle>
I'm having performance issues. I've turned off encryption of the X traffic which seemed to help a bit
01:21
Just wondering if anyone had further suggestions
01:24
other info: other than turning off encryption, default settings from install
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<Pascal_1>
Bonjour
01:47
<daduke>
Pascal_1: bonjour
01:47
<Pascal_1>
;-)
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hello
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<daduke>
Pascal_1: just spent 2 weeks near Tr?guier, my French is soooo rusty
01:50
<Pascal_1>
paimpol la côte de granit rose !!! wonderfull place !!
01:51* daduke agrees
01:51
<daduke>
http://daduke.org/pix/holidays/bretagne/page1.html
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<Pascal_1>
did you go to île de bréhat" ?
01:52
<daduke>
Pascal_1: sure did
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<Pascal_1>
arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the best
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marvelous color !!
01:53
<daduke>
http://daduke.org/pix/holidays/bretagne/imgp5635.html and the following are from there
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<Pascal_1>
really great place
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<daduke>
Pascal_1: unfortunately, I don't like hu?tres too much..
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<Pascal_1>
arf
02:12
i like it very much
02:12
is it me or you the character problem ??
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éééèèèààà
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<daduke>
I can see yours, some umlauts for you: ????
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<Pascal_1>
umlauts ??
02:15
<daduke>
yup, us Germans have them
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<Pascal_1>
us french love huitre !!! ;-)
02:17
<daduke>
I know. I do love all other sea food, but not oysters
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<KeviM>
hi, i hav a problem with ltsp and ubuntu 7.10 an 8.04. The Client 2D performace is a little bit poor. When i drag the firefox-window around, it takes up too a second to refresh the screen.....
04:08
LDM_DIRECTX=True is set
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Thin Clients are Via eden with up to 256MB RAm
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<Nuba1>
megabit or gigabit connection between server and switch?
04:09
<KeviM>
Server is a Q6600, 4 GB Ram, 100 Mbit ethernet, swithed network
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<Nuba1>
you need gigabit switches
04:10
and definetly a gigabit ethernet connection on the server
04:11
<KeviM>
i do not think that it has spomething to do with the network, because i can wach Videos on Fullscreen with only a little bit lagging
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and iptraf is not showing much traffic when i drag the window around
04:12
<Nuba1>
how many clients connected?
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<KeviM>
and gigabit only for draggign windows arround? I am not sure for that. At the moment only one client
04:13
will be up to seven later
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<Nuba1>
gigabit for connection from server to switch
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that is minimum
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<KeviM>
And Hardy is even slover
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<Nuba1>
its optional to put a gigabit switch and even gigabit clients in, but will dramatically improve speeds
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<KeviM>
but when i hav only one client connected, it should be ok, or?
04:15
<Nuba1>
have u tried connecting straight from server with crossover cable?
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<KeviM>
And do you have an idea why the performace in Ubuntu 8.04 is so baad?? (e.g. when i use the scroll wheel, its very laggi, in gutsy its ok). No, i dont have a cross cable here. a switch is between them
04:16
<Nuba1>
switch might be causing problems... thats why I suggest it
04:16
my hardy works fine. no performance issues
04:17
are u running firefox 3 or 2?
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<KeviM>
hmm, ok, i will look for a crossover cable. In gutsy firefox 2, in hardy firefox 3 b 5
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<Nuba1>
ah... try going to firefox 2
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<KeviM>
ok
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<Nuba1>
see if that fixes problems
04:18
<KeviM>
is there is alredy a solution for the flash-performance issue?
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<Nuba1>
if it does, u need to do some upgrades, because there was a serious bug in beta 5 taht caused lag and crashes
04:18
<KeviM>
ok
04:18
i will try it
04:19
<Nuba1>
flash-performance... not really... setting up fatclients instead of thin clients will help+
04:20
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
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<KeviM>
hmm, mplayer works fine, flash is _very_ slow. I read somewhere that the newer flash version are useing hardware-acceleration, thats why it is so slow. Somehow we have to switch off this new feature
04:22
<alkisg>
KeviM, it's the other way around, newer flash versions work OK, older with no hardware acceleration are slow
04:23
but not all the sites have enabled hw acceleration yet, e.g. youtube, so we're waiting...
04:23
<laga>
why do web sites have to enable it?
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<alkisg>
it's a flash player development requirement, they don't think linux drivers are stable enough to enable it for all sites,
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<ogra>
KeviM, try switching it off in the flash applet (right click, first tab i the settings iirc) and see if that fixes it
04:24
<alkisg>
so the sites have to change their "object parameters" to enable it.
04:24
<KeviM>
but i do not hava any hardware that can accelerate the video..... only the server cpu :)
04:25
<ogra>
alkisg, well, i doubt that will help ltsp due to the simple fact that the player ha no dri access over the network
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<alkisg>
the clients have cards that support hardware acceleration, right?
04:25
<ogra>
*has
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<alkisg>
ogra, we've benchmarked this, it has huge net differences
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<KeviM>
nope...... triden, onboard stuff
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<ogra>
they do, but that desnt help if you need access to /dev/dri/
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well, they should have 2D accel at least
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<alkisg>
it's the stretching part that I was saying yesterday, 320x240 stretched to 1024x768 doesn't use a lot of bandwidth
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KeviM, with S3 Trio 3d (8 years old?) I had 2D acceleration
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<ogra>
well, apart from the fact that X still has to shovel 24 full screens over the network per second
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<alkisg>
ogra, I'm not sure how this is done programmatically, but I didn't see network difference with 320x240 or 1024x768 with hardware accelerated clients
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<ogra>
the stretching bit doesnt really matter here ... stretching and computing the pics is done on the server
04:28
intresting
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<alkisg>
This is the point of hardware acceleration, you let the card do it...
04:28
<ogra>
right
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<alkisg>
So it doesn't travel through the network. At least that's what the benchmarks shown
04:28
<KeviM>
well, i just check i firefox2 in hardy will fix some issues. Then i will look for a crossover cable.
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<ogra>
but i have no idea how that should work if you dont have device access
04:29
ff2 will be worse
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<alkisg>
ogra, sorry, can't explain, I'm new to linux.
04:29
<ogra>
ff3 has lots and lots of memory leak fixes
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<KeviM>
ok, but why is firefox2 in gutsy much faster wehn i am using the scroll-wheel as firefox 3b5 in hardy? or is hardy slower at all?
04:30
<ogra>
ff3 final should come out very soon, hardy has rc1 since a while and the code actually shouldnt change much anymore for final
04:31
KeviM, i'D rather suspect X canges between hardy and gutsy than ff being the evil here
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try comparing the two different autodetected X configs on the client if you see any change there
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<KeviM>
ok, but what can i try? Or is there a program to check the X-settings on the client or a 2d bench?
04:32
where can i find the x-settings?
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<ogra>
create an lts.conf file in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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add the following three lines:
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[default]
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SCREEN_06=ldm
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SCREEN_02=shell
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then boot a client, hit ctrl-alt-f2 after it booted and you are in a shell locally on the client
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then have a look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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and compare the two differet releases
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<KeviM>
ok
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<Nuba1>
there were serious problems with firefox 3 beta 5... well documented freezes and crashes
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<ogra>
beta5 is gone since quite some time afaik
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<Nuba1>
though its been fixed since then, checking to see if firefox 2 causes the same issues was an idea
04:34
he's running beta 5
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that's y I suggested it
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<ogra>
3.0~rc1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 is what he should run
04:35
<Nuba1>
yeah maybe just doing an upgrade could fix t all
04:35
<KeviM>
nope, on my notebook its still 3b5... no upgrade found
04:35
<ogra>
oh, crap
04:35
thats only in -proposed yet
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<Nuba1>
:-)
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<KeviM>
hehe....
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<ogra>
(the curese of being developer ... haing to run the test packages before they go to -updates)
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sorry
04:36
you can temporary enable -proposed in your software sources dialog and pull the ff3 update
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(then disable it again)
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<KeviM>
ok
04:38
ff2 in hardy is ok
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will check ff3rc1 now
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<ogra>
ok as in massively faster than ff3 ?
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<KeviM>
yes
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scrolling is nearly perfect
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<KeviM>
hmmm, i just add the proposed in sources.list. but when i run upgrade, there are only updates for desktop-file-utils and libgnome-desktop-2
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<Nuba1>
if it works for ff2, just wait until rc1 hits the normal repos
04:46
I've got both rc1 and ff2 installed, and ff2 is still faster
04:47
I had the same problems as you KeviM
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<KeviM>
ok... so the last issue.... dragging windows around. It is ok when only one window is on the desktop. But when i have one fullscreen window an a smaller windows is shown. its very lagging. (dragging the smaller one around). it takes up to a second to rebuild the screen
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<alkisg>
KeviM, the larger window is firefox?
04:51
<KeviM>
no, the large is maybe arbi-word or openoffice, the small one is firefox
04:51
<alkisg>
if you use gedit=fullscreen window and gedit=small window, does it also lag?
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<KeviM>
i am using xfce.... but it is also lagging a bit with terminal windows...
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<KeviM>
maybe its the 100Mbit problem
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<alkisg>
KeviM, sorry, never used xfce, maybe it requests whole-window-updates even if it is not required?
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<KeviM>
same with gnome
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now i will buy a gbit switch.... maybe it solve some problems....
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<alkisg>
Hmm... With 100Mbps I didn't have lagging problems (for a couple of clients at least) neither with 7.04, 7.10 nor 8.04... I don't know what could be causing it.
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<KeviM>
hmm. when i have a small window and double-click it (resize to fullscreen) it takes also half-a-second... on a quite good thin-client (533 Mhz, 256 MB Ram)
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<KeviM>
thats strange... i installed firefox 3rc1 from poposed.... but: firefox --version shows me Mozilla Firefox 3.0b5, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
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<ogra>
did you log out ?
05:15
ogra@osiris:~/Devel/mobile/desktoplauncher$ firefox --version
05:15
Mozilla Firefox 3.0, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2008 mozilla.org
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<inaru>
help here plz
05:50
my thin client can't get connected
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i'm using ubuntu hardy heron
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<masus>
hi all, have installed ltsp on debian etch (with no desktop), i can boot the client and come to the login screen and after i type the username and password i come back to the login screen again. do i need to install kde or gnome is that the problem ? Thanks a lot ...
05:53
<ogra>
masus, yes
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the desktop sessions run n the server
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*on
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<masus>
ogra: do i ave to install the desktop KDE or gnome on the whole server or only to ltsp
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<ogra>
on the server
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<masus>
after the installation have i to do something ?
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<ogra>
you need something that provides x-session-manager ... can be gnome, kde, xfce icewm or whatever debian sets that option for
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<masus>
do i need to restart ltsp ?
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<ogra>
if you log in then in ldm it will just fire up the session
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<masus>
after the installation of gnome or kde
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<ogra>
no need to reboot the clients
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<masus>
ok i'll try thanks
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<ogra>
ltsp essentially runs: ssh -X user@host /etc/X11/Xsession ... if you log in ...
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so the only important thing is that you have something the /etc/X11/Xsession script can execute
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<masus>
ok thanks
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<|Paradox|>
the server can still run command line
06:01
just needs the windowing systems installed
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<ogra>
it wont by default
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you can select xterm as a session in ldm if xterm is installed on the server
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<masus>
ogra: is it possible that the clients have its own ip so that i dont need to change the iptable rules.
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<|Paradox|>
way back when I ran mine, I ran it completely headless and accessed it by telnet over serial port, heck, the video card in it wouldn't run X windows (or whatever it is now) if I wanted it too.
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<ogra>
masus, which iptable rules ?
06:04
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: when can we renamed the output of mkelfimage to elf.img, as it should be called, since it's not an nbi binary?
06:04
<masus>
i have server with iptables and for same ip's ther are rules
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<ogra>
|Paradox|, thats still possible but needs manual setup ...
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<masus>
for security and so on
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, ergh
06:05
Q-FUNK, i hope never as that requires a ton of other changes
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<masus>
and if i use thin clients there have the ip from the server itself right ?
06:05
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: not that many changes. and the filename is totally misleading.
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, updating users dhcpd.conf files is not really something i'm after ... we should test if a symlink can do
06:06
masus, well, in a perfect setup your server has tw network cards, one for the TC net and one for the outbound connection ... in ubuntu thats our default setup with no routing between these two networks
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s/tw/two/
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: it's not like I didn't ask about changing it at the same time as we upgraded the scripts from mknbi to mkelfimage :)
06:08
<masus>
i have 2 network cards right , but i dont understand how to setup the rules know
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, and i belive i said the same back then
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i wont touch dhcpd.conf if any possible
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<inaru>
ogra: the lan card that is facing the thin-client network should be set up with static ip or in roaming mode?
06:08
<ogra>
inaru, static
06:08
<inaru>
ogra: what is roaming mode?
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<ogra>
with an IP from the range defined in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<inaru>
ogra: i've set it to static, done ifdown and ifup to the eth0 which is for the tc network
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<ogra>
inaru, a term from wireless networking, not sure how you get to that term for a wired network card
06:09
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: migt be a good idea to at least produce new releases with a comment in dhcpd.conf and the dnsmasq equivalent that the nbi image really is a bios-free elf image.
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<inaru>
ogra: but the client still failed to connect
06:10
ogra: is it something wrong with the dhcp? how to configure dhcp in linux?
06:10
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, we can put a comment n for sure and call the image itself differently as well by using a symling in the tftp dir
06:10* inaru try to restarting the os as well
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<inaru>
ogra: the client already able to show the log in screen. but, it say that "this workstation isn't authorize to connect to server" even with correct user id and password. why is that?
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<ogra>
inaru, you changed the IP after you set up ltsp
06:19
run the following commands:
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sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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if both is done (the second one takes a while) reboot the clients and log in happily
06:20
<inaru>
ogra: thanks
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<ogra>
best to note that down if you change the IP again :)
06:21
<inaru>
so everytime the ip change i just enter those 2 commands
06:21
sure
06:21
i'm logging all the chat
06:21
:)
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<ogra>
ldm uses ssh to establish the connection, it needs the right keys in place for that
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and the keys are bound to the IP
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if you had set up the IP before running ltsp-build-client you would have been able to log in right away
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<inaru>
ok, i'll try to learn that
06:23
thanks for the information
06:23
done, it's logged on already
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<inaru>
ogra: there's no sound on youtube.com, but there's sound when you play a music from a usb that is plug in to the client
06:57
ogra: how to make the sound enable on youtube.com?
06:58
<ogra>
instal libflashsupport
06:58
but note that its not 100% stable
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<inaru>
ok
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<Blinny>
Definitely not 100% stable. I uninstalled it b/c of so many crashes. I can't wait to transfer to amd64 just so I'm using ndiswrapper. Note bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453
07:02
Oh. Crap. S/he left.
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<ogra>
itym nspluginwrapper :)
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<Blinny>
ohyeh. Thanks ogras
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<ogra>
it wont help you with the flash crashes though ... it just makes sure to not tear down ff with it if flash crashes
07:08
and i heard positive feedback for lfash 10 working fine with pulse (even without libflashsupport)
07:08
<Blinny>
Yeh I think that is mentioned in one of the bugs.
07:09
For me, sound is not that important. I have much bigger priorities with this box.
07:09
<ogra>
ah, i didnt look for a while
07:09
<Blinny>
..like the load always staying around 1, even when not used as an ltsp box
07:09
I think that's the PAE/bigmem workarounds doing their thing.
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<inaru>
ogra: thx again, the youtube.com playing sound now
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<Blinny>
inaru: ´╗┐Definitely not 100% stable. I uninstalled it b/c of so many crashes. I can't wait to transfer to amd64 just so I'm using ndiswrapper. Note bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/192888 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/198453
07:43
er, nspluginwrapper
07:43
(; ogra
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<KeviM>
how can i enable local sound? in lts SOUND=True is set. On clientside, pulseaudio is running, but no sound :-(
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<KeviM>
are there any docs for troubleshooting?
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<puesto0>
hi there
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<aruiz>
has anyone configured an ltsp environment on ubuntu with an additional rdesktop session in the thin clients?
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<daduke>
aruiz: I'm working on this in Debian etch right now
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<aruiz>
brb
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<Blinny>
Boy FF3b5 is choking something fierce on gmail's javascript
09:28
s--ll--ooo--wwwww
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<Nuba2>
ogra just mentioned that rc1 is in -proposed
09:32
<Q-FUNK>
Blinny: use the older display mode. it works better
09:32
<Blinny>
Q-FUNK: Yeah I know. Problem is it doesn't integrate calendar, chat etc, which I got used to and enjoyed in FF1.5 on my Fedora box.
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<puesto0>
daduke: any luck?
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<daduke>
aruiz: to a certain degree. sound and USB are not yet working, and we also have the problem that Windows Server 2008 resets the login screen every 30 s which causes the virtual console to jump to 8 each time.
09:36
<ogra>
for the latter i'd suspect rdesktop to be at fault
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<ogra>
did you try to package a newer upstream
09:36
?
09:37
<majikins>
hi - I would like to know where I can find information on server hardware specs for a school environment 25 terminal
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<majikins>
can someone provide recommendations?
09:37
pls
09:37
<ogra>
majikins, general rule of thumb: 256M for the server to run plus 128M per attached client session
09:38
<majikins>
cpu?
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<ogra>
as many cores as you can get :)
09:38
<majikins>
clients will run flash intensive apps
09:38
<ogra>
hmm
09:38
<stgraber>
so you'll need big CPUs :)
09:38
<majikins>
I believe the latest ltsp has no problems on sound
09:38
<ogra>
yeah
09:38
<majikins>
?
09:39
<stgraber>
you just need libflashsupport and you'll get sound with flash
09:39
<majikins>
define big cpu's!
09:39
<aruiz>
majikins: why don't you setup a small environment with a few virtual machines and check yourself the requirements?
09:40
<majikins>
aruiz: how would I do that?
09:40
<stgraber>
well, two quadcores would rock :) not sure how expensive that's now (so you could have 8 processus running at the same time)
09:40
<majikins>
running in 64bit right?
09:40
<aruiz>
majikins: install VirtualBox and create two virtual machines, one with for an ubuntu ltsp server and another one for the thin client
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<ogra>
!ubuntu
09:41
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
09:41
<ogra>
^^^ instructions and CD link
09:41
<majikins>
cool I will try that
09:41
<aruiz>
majikins: you can measure how much memory the client needs and how much cpu does the server consumes so you can predict how much do you need
09:42
!rdesktop
09:42
<ltspbot`>
aruiz: Error: "rdesktop" is not a valid command.
09:42
<aruiz>
:(
09:42
<daduke>
ogra: Gadi said he has something for Ubuntu, I will talk to vagrantc about that...
09:43
<ogra>
since rdesktop doesnt run by default i'll happily add patches to its screen script as needed
09:43
(if they are not to weird)
09:43
<majikins>
whats the preference - amd or intel? :-)
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<daduke>
ogra: for Debian? wasn't vagrantc supposed to do that?
09:43
<aruiz>
majikins: I'd go for Intel
09:44
<ogra>
daduke, well, he often takes what i take as well
09:44
<daduke>
ogra: good choice ;)
09:44
<aruiz>
majikins: and make sure all the motherboard components are intel as well, they have much better support than VIA/nVidia chipsets
09:44
specially graphic cards
09:44
<ogra>
++
09:45
<daduke>
ogra: anyway, we sorta agreed on having a look at it in July, after my trip and around their hackfest
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<ogra>
daduke, do you plan to come too ?
09:45
<majikins>
ok - the bigger the xeon processor the better right?
09:45
<aruiz>
ogra: do you know where can I find docs on how to setup an additional rdesktop session for ubuntu 8.04's ltsp?
09:45
<daduke>
ogra: unfortunately I can't
09:45
<ogra>
sad
09:45
<aruiz>
majikins: the more cores the better, the Ghz are not _that_ relevant
09:45
<majikins>
oh
09:46
<aruiz>
majikins: I'd rather invest in RAM than in a few extra Mhz
09:46
<ogra>
aruiz, sorry, Gadi is your best bet here, he's the rdesktop specialist
09:46
<aruiz>
ogra: gotcha
09:46
thanks
09:46
<ogra>
i dont even own any windows newer than 98 ... hard to test :)
09:46
<daduke>
ogra: lucky you
09:47
<aruiz>
heh
09:47
I'm actually setting up a W2003 server to get rid of 6 virtual windows 98 machines
09:48
<daduke>
aruiz: what's your problem now?
09:48
<stgraber>
ogra: I can send you a vista business edition if you want :) Received one from HP as a gift ... (my lappy came with freedos)
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<ogra>
stgraber, ah, no thanks ... then i would have to fix rdesktop :P
09:49
<aruiz>
daduke: I'm a ltsp 3.x guy, it seems that lts.conf is gone now, a lot of things have changed, I basically want a second VT with an rdesktop session to a given IP
09:49
<ogra>
its not gone
09:49
just not needed by default
09:49
<aruiz>
oh
09:49
so where should I place it?
09:49
<ogra>
you can still create it and it will get used
09:49
<daduke>
!pastebot
09:49
<ltspbot`>
daduke: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ogra>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
09:50
<aruiz>
oh
09:50
don't know if you're the right person to ask this for, but a file with comments and basic examples instead of no file at all would avoid a lot of confusion
09:50
<ogra>
you can put it in the chroot in /etc/lts.conf ... but depending on your distro you need to re-roll the squashfs image for every change
09:50
<ltsppbot>
"daduke" pasted "lts.conf entries for aruiz" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/537
09:50
<aruiz>
maybe I should file a bug on launchpad
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<ogra>
there is /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
09:51
and there is a file in /etc/ in the chroot telling you where it has to go now
09:52
<aruiz>
daduke: does it needs some sort of [Global] header or something?
09:52
or would that work out of the box?
09:52
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "default lts.conf" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/538
09:52
<daduke>
aruiz: if you put it under [Default] it's valid for all hosts
09:53
<aruiz>
cool
09:53
thanks
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<nate66s>
howdy all.. does anyone on here have any experience with the old jammin 125?
09:54
<daduke>
aruiz: let me know whether you encounter the same problem: windows logon screen restarting every 30 s. Might be a Server 2008 thing.
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<aruiz>
daduke: does that happens if you don't login at all?
09:57
daduke: or despite being logged on
09:57
<DawnLight>
where is pxelinux.0 supposed to be?
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<aruiz>
DawnLight: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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<daduke>
aruiz: it only happens when not logged into windows. makes us believe it's thought of as a feature, not a bug (TM)
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<DawnLight>
aruiz: it is there. and the dhcp server is pointing at it and the client is looking for it there and it times out
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<aruiz>
brb
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<DawnLight>
i don't get it
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<nate66s>
anyone able to help me with the jammin 125?
10:07
<johnny>
i've enver even heard of that
10:07
so i doubt it :)
10:08
<nate66s>
old client that disklessworkstations.com sold
10:08
<johnny>
yeah.. no idea
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<DawnLight>
gPXE times out on the pxelinux.0... help?
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<aruiz>
daduke: it worked!! thanks
10:15
now I need to add an extra session with X
10:16
should I use startx as usual?
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<DawnLight>
help?
10:16
<aruiz>
DawnLight: ?
10:16
<daduke>
aruiz: welcome
10:16
<DawnLight>
gPXE times out on the pxelinux.0...
10:17
<aruiz>
DawnLight: check that tftp-hpa is up and running
10:17
<DawnLight>
aruiz: it isn't. it is via portmap
10:17
<aruiz>
it should be in inetd or xinetd
10:18
<daduke>
aruiz: SCREEN_07 = ldm
10:18
<DawnLight>
"tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot" is the line for it in inetd.conf
10:20
aruiz: i don't know how to work with inetd. what should i check?
10:20
inetd isn't running, actually
10:21
muahaha. it is magick!
10:21
<nate66s>
DawnLight: which distro are you using?
10:22
<DawnLight>
nate66s: debian etch
10:22
now i'm troubleshooting why it doesn't mount the nfs export
10:23
is the nfs-kernel-server supposed to be running as a daemon?
10:23
<nate66s>
DawnLight: i had a similar issue before and had to set RUN_DAEMON="yes" in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
10:24
<DawnLight>
nate66s: i prefer it to be via portmap
10:24
and it works now
10:24
<nate66s>
oh yeah, i see that.. lol
10:25
as for nfs, i don't think ltsp5 is using nfs by default
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<DawnLight>
it suddenly works
10:26
i'll reboot to see it working again :)
10:28
<ogra>
nate66s, in debian it is
10:29
(sadly)
10:29
<nate66s>
ogra, ok, but not in ubuntu?
10:29
<ogra>
right
10:29
<nate66s>
ok
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<nate66s>
okay, since no one here knows about jammin 125s, let me try a different approach.. i have an old thin client terminal with etherboot 5.0.5 -- using a fresh install of ubuntu 8.04, the client looks up after loading the kernel image (nbi.img). does anyone know what's going on or how to fix it?
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<x86>
bitte ein bier, schnell!
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<x86>
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-raccoon-subprime-mortgage.jpg
11:07
total win
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<laga>
heh
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<x86>
;)
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<x86>
http://xrl.us/bmjzo
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<x86>
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-technical-support-cat.jpg
11:14
lol
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<x86>
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/funny-pictures-kid-makes-offer-to-coitus-kangaroos.jpg
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<user1>
hey all
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<user1>
are there anyways that could create a user with spesific specification and apply those specification to all other users?
11:25
say user1 with all the addons on the firefox and apply those the same addons to other 9 users
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<user1>
without having to apply the addons on each user over and over again?
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<DawnLight>
ltsp rules!
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<puesto0>
DonSilver:
12:02
oops
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<aruiz>
daduke: u there?
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<lns>
Has anyone had the chance to try q-funk's 1 hour old geode packages?
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<Bengoa>
ogra: are u there?
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<nate66s>
ogra: would you be able to answer a question or two about the nbi tagged kernel images?
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<luisjose>
wich version of ltsp should i be using for Debian with sound/mic support ?
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<vagrantc>
luisjose: either etch with ltsp backports or just straight lenny, if you have the resources to maintain a not-yet-released system.
15:15
but i haven't really tested either
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<lns>
Q-FUNK, what's the good word buddy
17:01
i'm waiting on contact back from my on-site person to see if your newest ppa packages worked
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<Q-FUNK>
ok
17:05
please lemme know
17:06
if you install both geode and nsc from my ppa, things should finaly work.
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<lns>
Q-FUNK, awesome. I'll let you know. Do the newest packages fix the issue i was having yesterday with it not 'finding' the driver?
17:11
or do you think that's something else?
17:11
<Q-FUNK>
that should work
17:13
<lns>
coolio
17:13
<lmckayj1>
I'm curious if ltspfs / ltspfsd and FUSE is what I should be trying to get working for ltsp5... or if other local device mounting methods are what I need. Anybody have thoughts?
17:13
<Q-FUNK>
lns: you should upgrade from whatever I uploaded this morning, just to be safe
17:13
<lmckayj1>
I'm running RHEL5 and currently using the debian tarball
17:13
<ogra>
define "ther local device mounting methods"
17:13
*other
17:14
<lmckayj1>
NFS export from the client, for instance
17:14
<ogra>
you need to hack that up
17:14
but why dont you want to use ltspfs ?
17:14
<lns>
Q-FUNK, yeah i believe that's what I upgraded to earlier (latest that shows in your ppa, 6hrs ago)
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<Q-FUNK>
ok
17:15
well, as long as you upgraded both nsc and geode to my ppa versions, you should be fine
17:15
<lmckayj1>
I'm all for ltspfs, but since I only can find documentation re: ltsp4.2 I wasn't sure
17:15
<Q-FUNK>
anyhow.. 'night!
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<husimon>
hey I have ltsp5 running inside RHEL 5 with the debian tarball
18:33
if I have a user with an nfs home directory they can't logout
18:33
no error messages in the logs
18:33
just freeze at the background image and nothing on the screen
18:33
any ideas?
18:33
I have to restart X on the thin client to be able to log in agian
18:33
no errors in nfs server log, the ltsp server, or the ltsp client logs
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<husimon>
anyone?
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<vagrantc>
husimon: that tarball is so old i wish someone would delete it.
18:56
it was produced before debian etch was even released.
18:56
<husimon>
vagrantc, hmm
18:57
vagrantc, well then, how should I go about updating it?
18:57
<lns>
husimon, not sure - I've seen (lol vagrantc) this issue with older versions of Ubuntu.. like vagrantc mentioned, it's probably an old bug that's since been fixed
18:57
<husimon>
is there a better place to download an up to date tarball?
18:57
<vagrantc>
husimon: you might have better luck getting a fedora image somehow.
18:57
<husimon>
hmm
18:57
the fedora client image
18:57
<vagrantc>
i don't think there are tarballs, but at least it would be closer to a RHEL
18:58
<husimon>
true, got a link?
18:58
<vagrantc>
no links, like i said, i don't think there are tarballs
18:58
<husimon>
i meant to the fedora version
18:58
<vagrantc>
i know warren and others are working on ltsp5 for fedora ...
18:58
!fedora
18:58
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "fedora" is not a valid command.
18:58
<husimon>
ya trying to google it
18:58
<vagrantc>
guess nobody's added it
18:59
<husimon>
so you've heard of the log out failing like that?
19:02
can I just update the chroot environment with apititude or does that not update the ltsp bits that are in it.
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