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Channel log from 17 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<petre>
jammcq: are you on (at this ridiculous hour)?
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<jammcq>
print 'SORTED: ' . $outrec->{hey
00:15
heh
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<petre>
I guess so ;-)
00:15
I got Barry Cisna's snd-sis7019 module from the k12 wiki
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<jammcq>
k
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<petre>
but when my ebox 2300 client boots up it says "FATAL: module snd_sis7019 could not be found"
00:16
why the underscore rather than the dash?
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<jammcq>
modprobe treats underscores and dashes the same
00:17
look at the manpage on modprobe
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<petre>
I tried running insmod snd-sis7019 at the shell but it says it can't find that
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<jammcq>
didn't barry include some docs about how to make it work?
00:17
insmod won't follow a path. with insmod, you need to specify the full pathanem of the module, including the .ko at the end
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<petre>
modprobe--which is what the rc.sound script uses I think--says it can't find snd_sis7019
00:18
yeah, his doc says put the file into...uh, hold on...
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<jammcq>
yeah, cuz snd_sis7019 isn't in your modules.dep file
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to use modprobe, the module needs to be in modules.dep, along with any dependencies
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<petre>
ah, that's a lead
00:19
so, do I need to modify some other file to tell it about the module?
00:19
<jammcq>
you need to regenerate the modules.dep file
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<vagrantc>
just update your modules.dep file
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<petre>
how do I do that?
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<jammcq>
man depmod
00:20* petre goes to manpage
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<jammcq>
unfortunately, the ebox folks have decided to use the sis7019 chipset, which isn't supported by the kernel, and the driver source code isn't gpl'd, so it can't be added to the distro
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there's no license information at all in the 7019 source files
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and i've been trying to hunt down someone at SiS to give me copyright/license information
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<petre>
so you can't include it until you get that, right?
00:21
<jammcq>
that's right
00:22
they basically wrote a driver, and threw it over the wall, without any licensing information
00:22
<IRCzito_home>
wheell Im so happy, now local devices it's work on ltsp-5 + slackware :D
00:23
<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: nice.
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<jammcq>
IRCzito_home: how did you do it?
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<petre>
they're a hardware co. for crying out loud, how hard can it be to release driver info
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<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: now you just need to make a native ltsp5 implementation for slackware :)
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<IRCzito_home>
it's the next step ;)
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<vagrantc>
the first diskless terminal system i wrote was based on slackware
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<vagrantc>
the precursor to lessdisks
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<IRCzito_home>
vagrantc: I make the script like /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltspfsd on (http://www.ubuntulinux.se/node/1496)
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<jammcq>
ooooh
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<vagrantc>
actually, it was looplinux, which was based on slackware
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<IRCzito_home>
and I get the python script ltspfsmounter in ltspfsd_0.4.3-0ubuntu4_i386.deb and put on the server
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<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: what do you mean? i mean, i know what that script is for ... but if you're using an ubuntu tarball, it should already be there.
00:26
ltspfsd is what gets installed to the thin-client chroot, not on the server itself
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<IRCzito_home>
the ltspfsmounter is a python script called by ssh i think
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<vagrantc>
if it's in the ltspfsd package, it *does not* belong on the server, but in the client chroot.
00:28
it's in the ltspfs package, though ... so yeah. it belongs on the server.
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the "ltspfs" package is the server parts, and the "ltspfsd" is the thin-client parts.
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<petre>
ok, so it looks like I need to run 'depmod -b /opt/ltsp/i386', right? Or do a specify the path all the way out to lib/modules/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1?
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<vagrantc>
oh wait, the /etc/init.d/ltspfs* stuff didn't really exist... it's been in my head all this time, and apparently on the ubunutlinux.se wiki
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<andrew_>
can anyone tell me where to download the LTSP utilities for .deb.
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<vagrantc>
andrew_: which distro?
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<jammcq>
andrew_: what version of LTSP ?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: we're out of sync tonight :)
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<MetztliXictli>
hi vagrantc
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<andrew_>
Ubuntu Server 6.1
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: yeah, it's late here
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<jammcq>
andrew_: what version of LTSP ?
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<andrew_>
LTSP-5
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<MetztliXictli>
jammcq: what's you distro?
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<jammcq>
you don't need the ltsp_utils for that
00:34
MetztliXictli: I love them all
00:34
<vagrantc>
!ubuntuquick
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<vagrantc>
andrew_: try that
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<andrew_>
Thank You
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<MetztliXictli>
jammcq: what is you distro run now?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: yeah right :P
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<jammcq>
MetztliXictli: debian on my server at home, ubuntu on my servers at the office, and ubuntu on my laptop. Redhat on some customer servers
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<jammcq>
but no novell anywhere
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<IRCzito_home>
vagrantc: for moment, its not 100% in my instalation, if i access from /tm/.$USER/cdrom that's ok, but is I use Desktop icon the device unmout automatic in seconds...
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<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: yes, that's why you don't want to manually mount it.
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IRCzito_home: because it auto-un-mounts every second or two
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so you want automatic mounting
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<jammcq>
i'm sleepy. bed time for jammcq
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<MetztliXictli>
jammcq: whats is you distro for ltsp?
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<petre>
am I supposed to run depmod on the client?
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<jammcq>
"distro for ltsp' ?
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<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: this is the last time i will say it, you should build your ltspfs package from the ubuntu sources, as it's *very* different from what's in cvs
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<petre>
If I run it at the server it keeps looking for the version directory that matches the server OS, not the ltsp kernel
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<jammcq>
petre: read the manpage on depmod again
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<vagrantc>
IRCzito_home: the tarball's ltspfs relies on that.
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<jammcq>
you can tell it what kernel version you are using
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<vagrantc>
petre: you'll probably want something like ... chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 depmod -option1 -option2
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<jammcq>
shouldn't need to chroot it
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<vagrantc>
really?
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<jammcq>
depmod accepts -b pathname
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to tell it where your root is
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<vagrantc>
ah well.
00:40
it's getting late here too :)
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<IRCzito_home>
vagrantc: I go study these scripts to see what I can make
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<petre>
is that the -v switch to specify the version? it's missing in the explanation in the man page
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<jammcq>
no
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<IRCzito_home>
thanks good night
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<jammcq>
-v == verbose
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<MetztliXictli>
vagrantc: tienes tiempo esta noche?
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<jammcq>
depmod -b /opt/ltsp/i386 2.6.17-ltsp-1
00:41* vagrantc likes to use chroot because then you're using the tools appropriate to the distro
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<jammcq>
something like that. adjust version as necessary
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vagrantc: but he's using ltsp-4.2, no tools available :(
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: no ... voy a dormir en un momento
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<petre>
right, i see now (yes, it is late)
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: you guys are weird :P
00:42
<jammcq>
getting weirder all the time
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g'nite all
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<petre>
that produced a modules.dep of a different size, so I'll test it out and let you know.
00:44
Thanks for the help
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<andrew_>
Is there any documentation to administer the LTSP server. A control panel?
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<bgomes>
andrew_: there are somo tools
01:12
<andrew_>
explain
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<bgomes>
andrew_: on wiki page have many explain of this
01:13
<andrew_>
I will lake a look. I am new to this!!!
01:13
<mistik1>
Its AA
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<bgomes>
andrew_: I am link of ltsp-thinadmin
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<mistik1>
Another Andrew
01:14
<bgomes>
I am like of ltsp-thinadmin
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<andrew_>
OK
01:14
Nice to meet you
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<bgomes>
andrew_: there are webmin module, there are webaplication
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<andrew_>
What would you sugest for a beginer
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<IRCzito_home>
Good Night guys, now i will go sleep :D
01:17
<bgomes>
IRCzito_home: :)
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andrew_: ltsp-thinadmin is easy and complet
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<IRCzito_home>
Im so happy, local device works :D
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<serentiy>
on some thinclient i m getting ltsp nfs server not responding
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while others are wroking good
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thin client gets the ip and load kernel image too
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nfs server 192.168.0.254 not responding, still trying
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<lizk12>
I have a problem. When my second ethernet card is connected to the internet the terminals won't boot. If I deactivate eth1 they boot correctly.
03:19
Can anybody help me to solve that?
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By the way, when I start the server eth1 is not active although I had activated it and saved the changes the prevoius session.
03:21
Is anybody there?
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<lizk12>
Can you help me? I'm running K12Ltsp (Fedora 6) and I'm starting with Linux...
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<lizk12>
Can you help me
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<IRCzito>
jammcq: Good morning
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jammcq: Are you here?
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<liljohnpenguin>
hello all
10:33
its been a long time since I visited
10:34
I am running ubutu in a VM and trying to boot pxe from another virtual machine
10:34
getting a tftp error
10:34
I dont think I have the diskless images setup correctly does this sound correct
10:34* jammcq wonders why so many people are trying to do the vmware virtual server/client thing
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<liljohnpenguin>
portablility
10:35
D/R planning it makes sense
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but for the intents of this senario I am using it simply because of hardware availability is limited at the moment
10:36
<jammcq>
it does work. I've been using vmware for developing LTSP for 5 or 6 years
10:36
so I know for sure, it can work
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<liljohnpenguin>
ok
10:36
good
10:37
can you point me to a tutorial or documentation that explains the boot process that occurs from the client side
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<jammcq>
which version of ltsp ?
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<liljohnpenguin>
just downloaded 5
10:38
using Ubuntu
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<jammcq>
hmm, documentation is pretty sparse at the moment for ltsp-5
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<liljohnpenguin>
should I back-off and use 4?
10:38
4.x
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<vagrantc>
but the pxe/etherboot booting is pretty much the same
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<jammcq>
well, that's totally up to you. both work with vmware
10:39
2 weeks ago, I tested all of the ltsp-5 images using vmware
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<liljohnpenguin>
ok so use docs from earlier version then for 5?
10:39
should point me in correct direction/
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?
10:39
<jammcq>
what problem are you having?
10:39
<liljohnpenguin>
TFTP Error
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<jammcq>
that's it? nothing more?
10:40
<liljohnpenguin>
well
10:40
thats as far as it gets on the client side
10:40
<jammcq>
what else does the error say?
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<liljohnpenguin>
gets an IP from my ltsp DHCP server
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then TFTP, File not found
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<jammcq>
well...... that tells us alot more
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what do you have for 'filename' in your dhcpd.conf ?
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<liljohnpenguin>
PXE-T01: File not found
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PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - file not found
10:41
OS not found etc
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<jammcq>
what do you have for 'filename' in your dhcpd.conf ?
10:41
this'll go a whole lot faster, if you answer the questions we ask
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<liljohnpenguin>
pxelinux.0
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<jammcq>
that's it? just 'pxelinux.0' ?
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<vagrantc>
grep filename /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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er.
10:43
grep filename /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<liljohnpenguin>
what the heck
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<jammcq>
exactly
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<liljohnpenguin>
"/ltsp/pxelinux.0"
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<jammcq>
ah, there ya go
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<liljohnpenguin>
should be opt
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<jammcq>
no
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is the virtual ubuntu server acting as your dhcp server?
10:44
<liljohnpenguin>
yes
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<jammcq>
did you run: ltsp-update-kernels ?
10:45
<liljohnpenguin>
nope
10:45
<jammcq>
how did you install ltsp-5 ?
10:45
<liljohnpenguin>
sudo apt-get install
10:45
<vagrantc>
!ubuntuquick
10:45
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
10:45
<jammcq>
did you run ltsp-build-client ?
10:45
<liljohnpenguin>
yes
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<jammcq>
ok, on your virtual server, do this: ls -lR /var/lib/tftpboot
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<liljohnpenguin>
"/var/lib/tftpboot:
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total 4
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-05-25 17:45 ltsp
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/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp:
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total 0
10:47
"
10:47
<vagrantc>
jammcq: ltsp-build-client runs ltsp-update-kernels, so that's not something that normally gets run manually.
10:47
course, it's harmless to run again
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: yeah, I know, but if he installed from tarballs, he'd need to run it
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: ah.
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<jammcq>
and apparently, he's got an empyt /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp directory
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<vagrantc>
indeed
10:47
<jammcq>
liljohnpenguin: run this: ltsp-update-kernels
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<liljohnpenguin>
so run ltsp-update-kernels?
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: we should make an ltsp-build-client for the tarballs
10:48
<liljohnpenguin>
ok
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: the tarballs are the RESULT of ltsp-build-client
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: or something similar
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<jammcq>
or at least most of the result
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: yes, i know. but when they're installing from a tarball, it would be nice to have a single script to call to handle some of the tasks like ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-kernels, maybe others
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<jammcq>
yeah, I agree
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<liljohnpenguin>
is that the syntax?
10:49
<jammcq>
liljohnpenguin: yep
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ltsp-update-kernels
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<liljohnpenguin>
hmmm
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<MetztliXictli>
hi speak spanish
10:50
<jammcq>
liljohnpenguin: do this: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: un poco
10:50
<liljohnpenguin>
cp: cannot stat `/opt/ltsp/*/boot/vmlinuz*': No such file or directory
10:50
ok
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<vagrantc>
that'll do it.
10:50* jammcq thinks ltsp-build-client didn't work
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<MetztliXictli>
tengo un ltsp4.2 corriendo en debian etch y tengo problemas con un cliente
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<liljohnpenguin>
"total 72
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:02 bin
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:02 boot
10:51
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:03 dev
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drwxr-xr-x 41 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:03 etc
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-05-22 10:00 home
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:01 initrd
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drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:02 lib
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:01 media
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<jammcq>
hmm
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<liljohnpenguin>
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-05-22 10:00 mnt
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:01 opt
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: please use the pastbot
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<liljohnpenguin>
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-05-22 10:00 proc
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<vagrantc>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:51
<liljohnpenguin>
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:01 root
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:40 sbin
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:01 srv
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-05-21 14:46 sys
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drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:02 tmp
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drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:01 usr
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drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4096 2007-03-16 15:01 var
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"
10:51
<vagrantc>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:51
<liljohnpenguin>
ok
10:51
sorry
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: que problemas?
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<jammcq>
liljohnpenguin: do this: ls -l /opt/ltsp/i386/boot
10:52
just tell me how many files are in that listing
10:52
<ltsppbot>
"liljohnpenguin" pasted "jammcq" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/53
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<liljohnpenguin>
"total 100
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-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 94760 2005-10-25 05:32 memtest86+.bin
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"
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<jammcq>
that's all ? just 1 file ?
10:53
<liljohnpenguin>
I was going to ask if there is a new minimum memory requirement for the client
10:54
<MetztliXictli>
vagrantc: i back
10:54
<liljohnpenguin>
the last time I did this I booted from a 486 w/8mb of ram
10:54
yes
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<jammcq>
that won't fly with ltsp-5
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: you can get it to work with 32mb, but you're better off with 48mb
10:54
<liljohnpenguin>
should I try to re-run ltsp client setup?
10:54
<jammcq>
looks like something failed during ltsp-build-client
10:54
liljohnpenguin: you didn't run out of space on your disk, did you?
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: que problemas con los clientes?
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<liljohnpenguin>
I bet I may have
10:56
hold
10:56
<gepatino>
hi, about the memory requirements for the client, is that related to the new ssh approach?
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<vagrantc>
gepatino: partially. but partially because the binaries are not as finely tuned
10:57
<jammcq>
(yet)
10:57
<gepatino>
I had some problems yesterday installing a ltsp server (ubuntu edgy) with 32mb clients
10:57* vagrantc suspects it will be hard for each and every distro to tweak their binaries
10:57
<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq: nah, I did build a 20gb vm so thats fine
10:57
<jammcq>
vagrantc: yeah, I agree
10:58
<gepatino>
should i get better performance if run X --query, without ldm?
10:58
<liljohnpenguin>
I am running the ltsp-build-client again
10:58
<jammcq>
liljohnpenguin: welp, i'd blow away /opt/ltsp, and run ltsp-build-client again
10:58
<vagrantc>
i already feel a little uncomfortable at how many init scripts we don't run.
10:58
<jammcq>
vagrantc: and I feel uncomfortable at how many we DO run :)
10:58
<vagrantc>
gepatino: probably better performance, but you'll loose some features.
10:59
<gepatino>
i get that, but some terminals we have are 'really' old
10:59
<vagrantc>
jammcq: it's just removing so many init scripts means it's more likely to do something weird from the distro perspective
10:59
<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq: do you provide pro support
10:59
?
10:59
<vagrantc>
jammcq: it deviates more from "normal" behavior
10:59
<jammcq>
but having so many, means its doing things a thin client really doesn't need to do
10:59
<gepatino>
is there a developers forum or something like that? maybe i could help doing something
10:59
<vagrantc>
right. that's the trade-off. more standard, or more customized
10:59
<jammcq>
liljohnpenguin: my company http://www.DisklessWorkstatiosn.com provides professional support
11:00
<liljohnpenguin>
can you discuss rates?
11:00
<jammcq>
it's on the website
11:00
<liljohnpenguin>
is it annual or hourly?
11:00
ok
11:00
thanks
11:00
<jammcq>
hourly
11:00
<gepatino>
i use ltsp since version 3 (maybe before)
11:01
and have some experience
11:02
and, no offense, yesterday i fell that ubuntu-ltsp is something where i could give a hand
11:02
<jammcq>
it needs lots of hands
11:02
<gepatino>
at least in edgy, it's not that clear how it works, at first sight
11:02
<jammcq>
i'm not even sure how it works
11:02* vagrantc has a pretty good idea
11:03
<vagrantc>
"how it works" is pretty broad sweeping, though.
11:03
<jammcq>
"works well" is an answer
11:03
<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq: where are you based?
11:04
<jammcq>
liljohnpenguin: about 30 miles nw of Detroit, Michigan
11:04
<liljohnpenguin>
in the stix eh?
11:04
<jammcq>
the beautiful stix
11:04
<vagrantc>
gepatino: what exactly is unclear? the only thing thats really significantly different is how you build the ltsp environment.
11:04
gepatino: and, i guess, LDM
11:05
<gepatino>
that... ldm
11:05
<vagrantc>
LDM is a frontend for "ssh -X"
11:05
<jammcq>
vagrantc: under the hood, there's lots of changes
11:05
<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq: I would really like to talk to you offline sometime
11:05
<gepatino>
is it still possible to change ldm for some custom scritp, like the old screen.d directory?
11:05
<jammcq>
where are you located?
11:05
<vagrantc>
jammcq: yes, but it "works" largely the same. there's no huge conceptual changes in NFS, TFTP, DHCP, etc. configuration
11:05
<liljohnpenguin>
Memphis, TN
11:06
<vagrantc>
gepatino: yes, it supports screen.d scripts
11:06
<jammcq>
vagrantc: well, yeah, I'll agree with that
11:06
<gepatino>
Buenos Aires, Argentina :P
11:06
<jammcq>
gepatino: wow, how's your summer going?
11:07
<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq: one thing I wanted know, can you boot this across VPN yet im sure a MetroE would work fine, but what about slower links
11:07
<gepatino>
it was quite hot, now we're entering autumm... 16-25 degress, rain...
11:07
<jammcq>
vpn isn't something that LTSP does
11:08
<gepatino>
does anyone know what enhancements are we getting in feisty, related to ltsp?
11:08
<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq: no I mean if there is an existing IPSEC tunnel and a DHCP server in Detroit and I wanted to Boot at the other end here in memphis for EXAMPLE
11:08
<jammcq>
running NFS over a WAN isn't a good idea
11:08
<liljohnpenguin>
haha
11:09
<jammcq>
sure it can be done
11:09
but who's got the time?
11:09
<vagrantc>
gepatino: apparently, not a huge number of changes from edgy to feisty.
11:09
i guess a huge version bump.
11:09
<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq: ran the ltsp-build-client and my screen is booting
11:10
<jammcq>
cool
11:10
<gepatino>
liljohnpenguin: i guess you could install all the client packages in a machine (with a disk, of course) and then connect it to the remote server
11:10
i think that should work
11:10
<liljohnpenguin>
hmmm
11:10
<gepatino>
vagrantc: and when you update the ltsp server to feisty, it's neccesary to rebuild the client, i'm wrong?
11:11
<vagrantc>
gepatino: i think that's what they would recommend, though you could try just upgrading the client chroot
11:11
<gepatino>
vagrantc: ok, thanks
11:12
are you developers of ltsp?
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<vagrantc>
gepatino: i work on ltsp in debian, and work closely with ogra, who works on ltsp in ubuntu
11:13
<liljohnpenguin>
"IP-Config: eth0 hardware address 00:0c:29:71:98:6f mtu 1500 DHCP RARP"
11:13
hung here on boot
11:14
<gepatino>
on monday i'm doing some more testing, after that i would like to help as far as i have some time
11:14
does developers meet here?
11:14
<vagrantc>
largely
11:14
<gepatino>
or is it some other channel?
11:14
<jammcq>
"meet" here? we "live" here
11:14
<gepatino>
jaja
11:14
<cliebow>
8`)
11:15
<gepatino>
ok, i'll bring some pizza and beers
11:15
<cliebow>
This is our social life
11:16
gepatino:please genuflect when jammcq speaks 8~)
11:17
<gepatino>
genuflect? ... i'll go for my dictionary...
11:17
<jammcq>
me too
11:17
<liljohnpenguin>
ok I remember having this problem before, fails at mounting nfs
11:17
<gepatino>
To bend the knee, as in worship.
11:17
<cliebow>
that is the one
11:18
<gepatino>
i thought it was some kind of cliebow's fetish :)
11:18
(english is not my first languagge)
11:18
<cliebow>
probasbly so..jammcq pulled me from the black hole..five years ago
11:19
<jammcq>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genuflect
11:19
and now, cliebow is a fine example of an LTSPer
11:19
<cliebow>
i try 8~)
11:19* vagrantc didn't know jammcq had the power to subvert black holes
11:20* jammcq prefers donut holes
11:21
<cliebow>
have lappie..will trsvel
11:21
have laptop...will type
11:22
<gepatino>
well people.. see you later
11:22
hope i could help some time
11:22
<vagrantc>
look forward to it :)
11:22
<cliebow>
do!
11:23
wireless ibooks are subverting my ltsp..
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<liljohnpenguin>
fo ubuntu I am not able to "sudo apt-get install mknbi" no available packages
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: that's odd, http://packages.ubuntu.com/mknbi lists it as present in edgy and feisty in main
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<liljohnpenguin>
ill add that to sources list, hope thats all it is
11:27
<vagrantc>
that's not a sources.list entry ...
11:27
and how you would have an ubuntu install without a main repository is beyond me
11:27
so what i'm saying is, it's very strange that you don't have mknbi available
11:27
<cliebow>
liljohnpenguin, perhaps pastebot your sources.list
11:28
!p[astebot
11:28
<ltspbot>
cliebow: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
11:28
<cliebow>
GAH..beat you
11:29
balls
11:29
!pastebot
11:29
<ltspbot>
cliebow: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"liljohnpenguin" pasted "sudo apt-get install mknbi says package referred to by another name" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/54
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: "package referred to by another name" ? could you paste the exact text of the error message?
11:46
<ltsppbot>
"liljohnpenguin" pasted "mknbi error" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/55
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: hrm.
11:47
liljohnpenguin: ah!
11:47
liljohnpenguin: you're on dapper.
11:47
liljohnpenguin: uncomment your "universe" lines in sources.list
11:48
liljohnpenguin: oh... you have ... have you run apt-get update after including the universe lines?
11:48
<PMantis>
HI guys
11:48
<liljohnpenguin>
will try again
11:48* PMantis sips a cup of coffee and cracks eyes
11:50
<liljohnpenguin>
dang I never did the apt update
11:50
thanks!
11:50
works
11:53
<vagrantc>
heh.
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<cliebow>
PMantis1!!
12:02
?Hi
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<liljohnpenguin>
NBP is too big to fit in free base memory
12:08
hmmm?
12:13
<jammcq>
liljohnpenguin: sounds like you are using PXE to load a kernel. instead, you shouuld be using PXE to load pxelinux.0
12:13
and then pxelinux.0 loads a kernel
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<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq: i am using the ubuntu docs
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<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq: I changed my dhcp.conf back to load pxelinux.0 and I get what looks like a full boot and fails at nfs
12:26
<PMantis>
jammcq, I'm stuck on one more thing... I thinks it's my last hurdle
12:26
jammcq, with a perl system call, can I change the current directory before calling?
12:26
<liljohnpenguin>
"uncompressing linux.... OK, booting the kernel.
12:27
IP-config eth0 hardware address, ............ mtu 1500 DHCP RARP???
12:28
hangs
12:28
<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: maybe paste a copy of your pxelinux.cfg/default file, and your dhcpd.conf
12:30
<PMantis>
Hmmm, chdir might work
12:31
<ltsppbot>
"liljohnpenguin" pasted "both" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/56
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<jammcq>
PMantis: sure, chdir
12:33
<PMantis>
I found I had to call it before system...
12:33
system (cd /blah;./command) doesnt' work.
12:34
<liljohnpenguin>
vagrantc: did you see?
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: hmmm... so ... it gets to the IPConfig thing, and then sits there ?
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<MrChicken>
Hello
12:36
I'm using ltsp 4.2, however i cant get audio working on X
12:36
I guess its working on the shell...
12:36
<liljohnpenguin>
vagrantic
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<liljohnpenguin>
oops yes var
12:39
vagrantc: I see the ubuntu splash and loading vmlinuv, loading initrd.img, ready then that other stuff and hangs
12:40
<MrChicken>
I do esdplay chimes.wav on the shell and I can hear nothing
12:40
alkthough no error is produceed
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<cliebow>
liljohnpenguin so you are past first dhcp...
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<liljohnpenguin>
cliebow, yes
13:07
<MrChicken>
hello
13:10
I cant get X to play sounds... I can get sound on the shell (before typong startx)
13:11
can anybody help me?
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<cliebow>
liljohnpenguin i wonder if nfs is bothering..frst..in pxelinux.cfg is there an apend statement with splash and quiet enabled?
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<cliebow__>
liljohnpenguin..can you heasr me now?
13:13
<liljohnpenguin>
oops
13:13
yes
13:13
I can hear you
13:13
looking
13:15
<ltsppbot>
"liljohnpenguin" pasted "cliebow" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/57
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: you might be better off with ubuntu edgy or feisty with ltsp ...
13:15
<liljohnpenguin>
there is my pxelinux.cfg and dhcp.conf
13:15
<cliebow__>
yes
13:16
i have a pos windows bos..this one..just cam up
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<liljohnpenguin>
vagrantc: what are those varients?
13:17
<cliebow__>
if you can coment out quiet and spash you can better see where things are carrping out..maybe..but vagrantc is right..upgrade might very well be a help
13:17
<liljohnpenguin>
gotcha
13:17
<cliebow__>
splash gives you splash..quiet suppresses the messages you nedd
13:18
though i dont knw dapper at all..
13:20
i was thinking nfs..but sounds more like your card isnt well supportd in dapper?
13:20
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
13:20
if nfs
13:20
!nfs
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<ltspbot>
cliebow__: Error: "nfs" is not a valid command.
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<cliebow>
ltspbot
13:23
!ltspbot
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: Error: "ltspbot" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: they are newer versions of ubuntu
13:28
<liljohnpenguin>
ahh ok
13:28
is there a self contained ltsp distro I can install and bam done?
13:29
<cliebow__>
well..not exactly..you can d/l edgy iso or a feisty alpha iso..edgy is nice..
13:29
<vagrantc>
edubuntu should include ltsp by default
13:29
<liljohnpenguin>
gotcha
13:30
would be nice to have a vmdk file for download on the site
13:30
just download and open with vmware
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<cliebow__>
that too..edu is very nice..if i were you i'd stay away from vmware til you are familiar with ltsp
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<liljohnpenguin>
ok
13:31
<cliebow__>
there are some network gotchas i thinki n vmware..jammcq would know for sure..
13:33
or if you have broadband and feel adventurous you can upgrade to edgy pretty easily
13:33
by altering sources.list..apt-get update...apt-get -y dist-upgrade
13:34
several times usually
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<liljohnpenguin>
ok will try it
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<cliebow__>
if you cd /etc/apt
13:35
<liljohnpenguin>
jammcq says no prob with vmwaer
13:35
vmware
13:35
<cliebow__>
and do sed -e 's/edgy/feisty/g' -i sources.list
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<liljohnpenguin>
ok done
13:36
now?
13:36
update?
13:36
<cliebow__>
apt-get update
13:36
apt-get -y dist-upgrade..it will take a lot of time
13:38
please someeone slap me up side of the head if i am leading this gentleman astray
13:38
<liljohnpenguin>
SMACK!
13:38
lol
13:38
<cliebow__>
8!)
13:38
<liljohnpenguin>
who said I was gentle
13:39
<cliebow__>
well you arent spamming the channel to get attention like the last guy 8~)
13:39
<liljohnpenguin>
but I do think I did a dist upgrade before ltsp install
13:39
<cliebow__>
to whatever distro is specified in sources.list i am afraid
13:39
<liljohnpenguin>
oh i must have missed that
13:41
really looks like when it gets to mounting root file system is where it bombs out
13:41
ahhhhh
13:42
i think I know what it is!!!!!!!
13:42
<cliebow__>
so it seems to get address and root-path ..standing by
13:42
<liljohnpenguin>
do I need any client hard disk space at all
13:42
or all ram?
13:42
<cliebow__>
all ram
13:42
<liljohnpenguin>
oh ok
13:42
<cliebow__>
128 is nice
13:42
<liljohnpenguin>
im on 256
13:43
<cliebow__>
you can watch logs on your server and see if it does first dhcp which is obviously ok..then second dhcp response where root-path is specified
13:44
<liljohnpenguin>
hmmm ok
13:44
<cliebow__>
if you see all four packets on second dhcp..then nfs is at fault
13:45
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
13:46
that was for 4.2..but the idea is the same
13:46
<liljohnpenguin>
/opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
13:46
thats mine
13:46
<cliebow__>
great
13:47
<liljohnpenguin>
should it be /opt/ltsp/i386
13:47
<cliebow__>
no..
13:47
<liljohnpenguin>
ok sorry
13:47
<cliebow__>
cause you can put six different chroot filesystemes in ther if you like the way you have it
13:48
like /opt/ltsp/ppc /opt/ltsp/148-4.2
13:48
.
13:49
like /opt/ltsp/sparc
13:49
for clients of other persuasion
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<liljohnpenguin>
nfs isnt runnign
13:50
<cliebow__>
that might be a problem..8~)
13:51
ahhh..back to feisty..
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<ltsppbot>
"liljohnpenguin" pasted "bombs out at mounting root file system never says DONE" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/58
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i396 -l initramfs-tools
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<ltsppbot>
"liljohnpenguin" pasted "response" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/59
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<liljohnpenguin>
what is this?
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<MrChicken>
Hello
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: you've got a really old version of initramfs-tools ...
15:42
<liljohnpenguin>
man I just downloaded ubuntu iso and installed
15:42
i fugured it would be mostly up to date
15:42
guess not
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<vagrantc>
liljohnpenguin: well, you downloaded the long-term support version of ubuntu ... a lot of improvements to the LTSP code were made after that was released.
15:44
well, after it was feature-frozen, i think.
15:45
<liljohnpenguin>
i think im close to getting this working
15:45
but ok, ill try that
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<petre>
jammcq: ping?
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<PMantis>
jammcq, I got it finished! Now I just need to work on securing it.
16:13
jammcq, I'll tell you what it does, if you have time. :-)
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<petre>
I don't think jammcq is around
16:22
<PMantis>
heh
16:22* PMantis neither
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<PMantis>
jammcq, ping
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<PMantis>
HI ogra
19:20
ogra, Say... would you happen to know (of the top of your head) how much space a server install of Edgy takes?
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<cliebow>
PMantis:you use feisty...on a laptop..wireless?
19:30
<PMantis>
Nothing beta here... except Gaim
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<jammcq>
hey kids
19:35
<cliebow>
jammcq!!!!!!!!!!
19:36
<jammcq>
hey chucky
19:41* Lumiere hands chucky a butchers knife
19:42
<Lumiere>
I noticed sbalneav had a couple bugs in on gobby
19:42
got my first taste of it today
19:42
I think a permenent sobby server might show up at school
19:42
and my boss might be forced into using it
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<MetztliXictli>
hi vagrantc
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do you speak spanish?
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<MetztliXictli>
hi speak spanish
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<bgomes>
MetztliXictli: hi, I am speak in portugues, is very similar, what u do?
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<MetztliXictli>
bgomes: cuando intento hacer login en un terminal me repite los caracteres., ejemplo login:ccccllllliiiiiieeeeennnntttteee000001
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<bgomes>
MetztliXictli: eu já vi a solução disso em um forum brasileiro
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bgomes: http://www.ltsp-br.org/forum/
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<MetztliXictli>
ok
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<bgomes>
MetztliXictli: http://www.ltsp-br.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50
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<MetztliXictli>
ok
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miro
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: hola
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<MetztliXictli>
hi vagrantc
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tengo un problema con un think/client en ltsp4.2
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<bgomes>
MetztliXictli: qual o problema?
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<MetztliXictli>
cuando inicia gdm hago login:ccccclllliiieeennnttteee000111
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: GDM o LDM ?
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<MetztliXictli>
este es el problema.,login:ccccclllliiieeennnttteee000111
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<bgomes>
MetztliXictli: viu o link q ti mandei? la tem a solucao
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<MetztliXictli>
GDM
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<vagrantc>
oh, si. GDM
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<bgomes>
(00:07:13) bgomes: MetztliXictli: http://www.ltsp-br.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: recuerdo este problema, pero no se reparar
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<bgomes>
vagrantc: só é preciso desligar o acpi via dhcp
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<vagrantc>
ah...
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<bgomes>
vagrantc: I am send link with the soluction of this problem
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: usa PXE o etherboot ?
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se PXE, es mas facil cambia pxelinux.cfg/default
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<MetztliXictli>
uso etherboot:img floppy?
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<bgomes>
vagrantc: look this ltsp-br.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50
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<MetztliXictli>
vagrantc: yo uso etherboot
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gracias bgomes problema solucionado
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<vagrantc>
si.
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<MetztliXictli>
si vagrantc
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ahora solo me falta activar LDA y sound in the thin-clients
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<vagrantc>
bgomes: we should document that on wiki.ltsp.org
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MetztliXictli: conoce ...
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!sound
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<vagrantc>
!checklist
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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<MetztliXictli>
vagrantc: If you're using assigned addressing (i.e. you have host {} entries), make sure you're specifying:
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no entiendo eso
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yo tengo ip statica pero no comprendo que quiere decir
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: miro ahora
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MetztliXictli: que pagina?
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<MetztliXictli>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting.
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: no se... usa "use-host-decl-names on ;" o "get-lease-hostnames true;"
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MetztliXictli: pero no los dos
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MetztliXictli: creo que usa "use-host-decl-names on;" , pero no estoy seguro
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<bogor>
i have ltsp 1.4 setup on debian sarge. I upgraded the tftp & tried chenging the conf files, now the clients are not bootng. They hang at vmlinux....Any solution?
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tftp is running
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<vagrantc>
ltsp 1.4 ?
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<bogor>
dhcp is also running
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<MetztliXictli>
ok vagrantc
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<bogor>
sorry 4.2
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<vagrantc>
bogor: which tftp server?
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<bogor>
tftpd, tftpd-hpa
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<vagrantc>
bogor: grep filename /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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bogor: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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<bogor>
vagrantc: i am currently away from the server, i need some pointer to where to look for troubleshooting
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what should i look for in inetd.conf & dhcpd.conf
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<vagrantc>
bogor: well, make sure your filename in dhcpd.conf is relative or full path, depending on how your tftp server is configured.
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bogor: or, are you saying it gets as far as downloading the kernel, but stops there ?
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probably easiest to get help if you can irc while you have access to the server, though.
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<bogor>
vagrantc: yes
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<vagrantc>
bogor: so ... are you using tftpd, or tftpd-hpa ?
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<bogor>
ok i will get to the server & then comeback, thanks vagrantc
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tftpd-hpa
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<vagrantc>
i would recommend avoiding plain tftpd ... tftpd-hpa or atftpd are much nicer.
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<bogor>
tftpd-hpa is what thats used
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<vagrantc>
yes... your first answer was a little unclear though :)
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<bogor>
ok
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<vagrantc>
bogor: there's probably a wiki page for tftp on wiki.ltsp.org
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!wiki
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "wiki" is the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
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<bogor>
the line in inetd.conf for tftpd ends like in.tftpd -s /tftpboot/
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dhcpd.conf has the line in host /lts/vmkernel<something here>
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<vagrantc>
that sounds about right ...
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<bogor>
what are the possible resaons that client could hang while bootstraping the kernel
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sorry booting the kernel
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<MetztliXictli>
vagrantc: yoi can helpme with its
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev-DebianEtch
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!sound
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: what help do you need?
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<MetztliXictli>
no entiendo como configurar el sonido en ltsp4.2
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: no entiendo como configurar el sonido en ltsp4.2 tambien
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<MetztliXictli>
pero tu sabes ingles
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<vagrantc>
ah, si.
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<MetztliXictli>
te presto la liga y me podrias ayudar
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: cual distro?
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<MetztliXictli>
debian etch
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<vagrantc>
hay mucho informacion
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por que no usa ltsp5 ? :P
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<MetztliXictli>
el arranque es mas rapido in ltsp 4.2
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: tiene SOUND=Y y SOUND_DAEMON=esd en lts.conf ?
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MetztliXictli: que tarjeta de sonido tiene?
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<MetztliXictli>
nop no tengo
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lo pongo
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: gadi entiende mas de sonido con ltsp 4.2 ...
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<MetztliXictli>
ok vagrantc
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eso no es prioridad por ahora
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gracias vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
de nada
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<MetztliXictli>
vagrantc: usas debian etch_