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Channel log from 7 March 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:14
<warren>
LTSP5 on Fedora testing details: http://wtogami.livejournal.com/23648.html
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<cyberorg>
warren, congrats, now i can learn some stuff from you :)
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00:52
<warren>
cyberorg, look at the directory structure that I began to transform in ltsp-trunk
00:52
cyberorg, I still want to move things around to create some truly common parts and other parts that are distro specific
00:52
<cyberorg>
warren, yeah, we have put more efforts in ltsp-server-initialize
00:53
that part of kiwi-ltsp-setup script works perfectly for us
00:53
<warren>
cyberorg, that part maybe we can share, due to how debian packages things they are entirely different from us
00:54
I've been pulling all nighters for 2 weeks straight
00:54
I will likely take it easy a few days and get back at this
00:54
I'll look at your codebase to see commonality
00:54
<cyberorg>
https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/branches/suse-11.0/suse-11.0/kiwi-ltsp-functions.sh?revision=73&view=markup
00:55
in that we have all the functions that configure required services
00:56
<warren>
you find it easier to maintain in a single file?
00:57
I would think it is better to define what to do for each service in a separate file
00:57
<cyberorg>
yeah, and all the configuration options are switches to one command
00:57
so for example kiwi-ltsp-setup -d sets up dhcp server
00:57
<warren>
cyberorg, that might work fine if you support only one distro with your script
00:58
cyberorg, did you implement plugins for ltsp-build-client?
00:58
<cyberorg>
warren, it should be easy to extend it to other distros too, we'll have to add some more variables
00:59
<warren>
cyberorg, that's assuming the implementations are the same on all distros
00:59
cyberorg, and if htey aren't it can quickly grow into spaghetti
00:59
conditional that
00:59
conditional this
00:59
difficult to follow codepaths
00:59
<cyberorg>
tftp, nfs, nbd, dhcpd servers would be same?
01:00
<warren>
not necessarily
01:00
it seems that Ubuntu's version of dhcpd for example behaves slightly differently
01:00
and there is a big push in Fedora to get rid of dhcpd and use dnsmasq instead
01:00
<cyberorg>
right, they have two dhcpd.conf :(
01:00
<warren>
cyberorg, I think the approach used by ltsp-build-client is the right one.
01:01
cyberorg, define common plugins, and where necessary override them with distro-specific plugins
01:01
<cyberorg>
warren, i'll start adapting all your changes for opensuse 11
01:01
<johnny>
what dhcp clients are you guys using?
01:01
<warren>
cyberorg, please consider using ltsp-build-client and writing opensuse plugins for it.
01:02
<cyberorg>
warren, yup
01:02
<johnny>
trying to isolate a problem with enabling dnsmasq
01:02
<warren>
cyberorg, get familiar with the plugin structure of ltsp-build-client (there are TONS of examples between debian, ubuntu, fedora and gentoo)
01:02
cyberorg, because I think doing the same plugin structure for ltsp-server-initialize is the right move.
01:02
(might rename it ltsp-server-setup or whatever name we as upstream together agree upon)
01:02
<cyberorg>
warren, fedora is something i may be able to understand, as it is quite similar to suse
01:03
<warren>
I tried suse *once*
01:03
found it really weird that rpms had no versions in filenames
01:03
and gave up
01:03
cyberorg, are you a Novell employee?
01:03
<cyberorg>
ofcourse they have
01:03
nope, community guy :)
01:03
<warren>
cyberorg, this was a long time ago, I never looked into why it was that way
01:04
cyberorg, I suspected that suse was obfuscating their mirrors to make it more difficult to know what was what, and you had to use yast to really know the versions.
01:04
I didn't put any effort into investigating how suse worked
01:04
<cyberorg>
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/ltsp/openSUSE_10.3/i586/
01:04
those are my packages
01:05
<warren>
wow
01:05
versions and releases
01:05
I might be able to understand this
01:05
=)
01:05
<cyberorg>
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/i586/
01:05
all packages have those
01:06
<warren>
cyberorg, did you implement ltsp-build-client plugins for installing your chroot?
01:06
<cyberorg>
it is <name>-<version>-<release>.<arch>.rpm
01:06
<warren>
cyberorg, even if your entire kiwi-whatever chroot builder goes entirely into one plugin, that's fine.
01:06
<cyberorg>
warren, we use kiwi to build chroot
01:07
<warren>
cyberorg, we use a poorly named livecd-tools to build chroots. ltsp-build-client is only a wrapper around it.
01:07
cyberorg, "upstream documentation compat layer"
01:07
cyberorg, upstream documentation tells people to run ltsp-build-client and it does whatever distro-specific thing
01:07
<cyberorg>
oh, ok, here it is https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/kiwi-ltsp/trunk/upstream-plugin/
01:08
<warren>
ah
01:08
heh
01:08
why don't you create a plugin directory and add this upstream?
01:09
I'm pushing 99% of Fedora's LTSP upstream
01:10
cyberorg, if I install opensuse 10.3 I can try your packages?
01:10
<cyberorg>
warren, it works really well on better client hardwares :)
01:11
<warren>
cyberorg, anything works better on better hardware =)
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01:11
<cyberorg>
sound, local disks, nbdroot everything is setup
01:11
who do i send request to get the plugin in?
01:11
<warren>
cyberorg, you use pulseaudio?
01:11
cyberorg, talk to ogra
01:11
<cyberorg>
on 10.3 i used esound, as that was default, no 11, i'd be using pa
01:12
*on
01:12
<warren>
cyberorg, are you the primary (only?) person doing LTSP in opensuse?
01:12
I'm the only Fedora LTSP person =(
01:12
<cyberorg>
me and captain_magnus
01:12
he helps me with all the scripting, as i can't code :(
01:13
<warren>
oh
01:13
what is captain_magnus' role?
01:14
<cyberorg>
he is novell staffer, helping me with writing scripts in his personal time
01:15
i wrote initial script that set up everything, he wrote it in a proper way and added many functions like checking installation source, package requirements etc
01:18
warren, follow the instructions here when you want to try 10.3 http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
01:20* warren sleep
01:20
<cyberorg>
'night :)
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01:44
<tarzeau>
HELP
01:44
how can i run stuff for the ldm login screen (without user logging in), say xset stuff (for dpms)
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02:44
<jamey>
Can anyone recommend a good supplier for complete thin clients systems in the UK?
02:50
jammcq, someone told me that you would be the one to know about thin client suppliers?
02:53
<cyberorg>
jamey, see http://disklessworkstations.com/
02:54
<jamey>
thanks but was looking for a UK supplier
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04:21
<ogra_cmpc>
warren, could we please use a higher version number ? its the second iteration of code thats been used for 2.5 years out there, imho we're *at least* at version 1.5
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05:12
<tarzeau>
can someone get firefox+alsa+flash to work on ltsp on www.youtube.com?
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05:12
<ogra_cmpc>
why shouldnt we ?
05:14
tarzeau, do you mean you dont get sound to work ?
05:14
<tarzeau>
ogra_cmpc: yes
05:14
<ogra_cmpc>
you neeed libflashsupport for that
05:14
<tarzeau>
what's that?
05:15
apt-cache search libflashsupport returns nothing
05:15
<ogra_cmpc>
flash doesnt properly close its sockets, thats something the alsa pulse plugin in the backend dies on ... since adobe doesnt react to the prob since 2years, someones wrote libflashsupport to work around that prob
05:16
<tarzeau>
where do i get this?
05:16
<ogra_cmpc>
yeah, i dont think its in debian
05:16
<tarzeau>
i want sound
05:16
it's free software? i can make a package
05:16
<ogra_cmpc>
look on the ubuntu wiki for the EdubuntuFAQ page
05:16
<tarzeau>
thanks
05:16
<ogra_cmpc>
it links to a download ressorce (not sure how good that works on debian though, only teatsed it on ubuntu)
05:17
alternatively you could grab it from the ubuntu archive and recompile it on debian
05:17
its in the hardy repos
05:17
(probably the better choice, the other one is outdated)
05:18
i guess someone shold poke vagrantc about it so he gets it into sid at least
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05:23
<deavid>
hi, a question.... anyone knows some providers for cheap thin clients in Europe for run a LTSP client?
05:25
<daduke>
deavid: pcengines.ch
05:25
deavid: we use alix1c, work great
05:26
deavid: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch/news/1204219612/index_html
05:29
<ogra_cmpc>
funny case
05:29
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: biggy ups to our workshop ppl!
05:30
ogra_cmpc: not sure it's CE compliant tho ;)
05:30
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
05:30
you should point out the powersaving a bit more ;)
05:31
not many people grasp that this is the biggest cost saving factor of all :)
05:31
at least if you have a serious setup with more than ten clients
05:32
maddog hall held a talk at the last ubuntulive conference with really impressive numbers
05:32
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: unfortunately, at ETH this realization is not very wide-spread.. everything is running 24/7
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05:32
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: URL?
05:32
<ogra_cmpc>
even the desktops ?
05:32
thats odd
05:32
hmm, not sure he put that online, let me dig
05:33
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: almost everything. Office lights, crystal growth ovens (we're talking multi-kW here..), you name it.
05:33
<ogra_cmpc>
grmpf .... ubuntulive.com points to the new one already
05:34
and oreilly seems not to provide an archive for it :(
05:35
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: archive.org?
05:35
<ogra_cmpc>
nothing for ubuntulive
05:36
<daduke>
:(
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05:37
<ogra_cmpc>
the prob is that ubuntulive is a subpage on the orilley homepage, there is a direct recirect in place
05:37
*redirect
05:37
<daduke>
I see
05:38
<ogra_cmpc>
i'll likely meet him in prague in 8 weeks, i'll ask him to put it on the ltsp wiki
05:38
<daduke>
Prague rules!
05:38
<ogra_cmpc>
he's working on a project with the brazilian government to suppli several 100000 thin clients in sao paolo
05:39
putting ltsp setups in every skyscraper so every flat has a terminal
05:39
<daduke>
several 10^12? respect!
05:39
<tarzeau>
ok i have a libflashsupport , i should put the /usr/lib/libflashsupport.so to the firefox plugin dir?
05:39
ogra_cmpc:
05:39
<ogra_cmpc>
no, its a system lib
05:39
<tarzeau>
i see, so it just magically works?
05:40
<ogra_cmpc>
let me check where it ends up for me
05:40
<tarzeau>
here's my stuff if you want it too: http://krum.ethz.ch/backports/pulseaudio/ and http://krum.ethz.ch/debian/libflashsupport/ (for etch)
05:40
building it for our i386 ltsp server now
05:40
<ogra_cmpc>
/usr/lib/libflashsupport.so
05:41
i dont need it :) i'm maintaining ubuntu, not debian, we have that stuff already, but thanks :)
05:41
<daduke>
tarzeau: that would be vagrantc
05:41
<ogra_cmpc>
yeah
05:42* daduke could've just looked to his right where tarzeau is sitting ;)
05:42
<ogra_cmpc>
ubuntu is the piecemeal free ltsp :P
05:42
<daduke>
about 2 m away..
05:43
ogra_cmpc: has anybody had a look into the X access issue already?
05:44
<ogra_cmpc>
warren made a comment i think
05:44
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436230
05:46
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: thanks. blocker for LTSP in F9, hm? what about debian/ubuntu? ;)
05:46
<ogra_cmpc>
well, seems i have to look into it for ubuntu
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05:47
<ogra_cmpc>
but since it sounds like an upstream X problem any patch anyone of the distro people does will help
05:47
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: agree
05:47
<ogra_cmpc>
even though i dont really understand the issue, we create the cookie way before we start X
05:47
so the explanation is a bit confusing
05:49
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: the -ac flag might also be a lead...
05:49
<ogra_cmpc>
yes
05:49
did you try without it ?
05:49
oh, wait you are using etch
05:50
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: how's this related?
05:50* ogra_cmpc tries to remember if that had the python ldm or already the C impelmentation
05:50
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: C
05:50
ogra_cmpc: at least it's binary
05:50
<ogra_cmpc>
ah, whats the version number of the ldm package ?
05:51
if it has an epoch you can easily recompile it ... if the version has a 5 in it itsw part of the ltsp source (which makes irt a lot trickier to apply changes)
05:51
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: the alioth backports, 2:0.1~bzr20080219-1~40.etch.3
05:51
<ogra_cmpc>
/has a 5 in it/starts with a 5/
05:51
ah, great
05:52
get the source and drop the ac
05:52
<daduke>
tarzeau: your call!
05:52
<ogra_cmpc>
should be in srcd/ldm.c
05:52
err
05:52
src/ldm.c indeed
05:52
<tarzeau>
daduke: what?
05:52
<ogra_cmpc>
tarzeau, apt-get source ldm :)
05:53
<tarzeau>
ogra_cmpc: from where? sid?
05:53
<daduke>
tarzeau: compile ldm w/o -ac flag... might help against the X hole
05:53* tarzeau prefers dget urls (to dsc files)
05:53
<daduke>
tarzeau: alioth backports
05:53
<ogra_cmpc>
tarzeau, 2:0.1~bzr20080219-1~40.etch.3 is what you use atm
05:53
the backports repo should have the source
05:54
<tarzeau>
URL PLEASE
05:54
<ogra_cmpc>
i dont do debian
05:54
\i dont have debian package urls :)
05:54
sorry
05:54
<cyberorg>
mkdst --testrpm just sits there without output and taking over 50% cpu, how do i find out what it is doing?
05:54
<ogra_cmpc>
if you usde it you should have the repo in your sources.lisyt already
05:54
<tarzeau>
any dsc url is fine
05:54
ogra_cmpc: ubuntu package urls?
05:54
i just want source packages
05:55
<ogra_cmpc>
no, take the debian one
05:55
<tarzeau>
i don't rape my sources.list
05:55
<ogra_cmpc>
we differ in versioning with ldm
05:55
that would break upgradeabiluty for you
05:55
<tarzeau>
ogra_cmpc: that is not your problem
05:55
<ogra_cmpc>
!debian
05:55
<tarzeau>
i don't care, i want source packages
05:55
<ltspbot`>
ogra_cmpc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
05:55
<tarzeau>
ogra_cmpc: oh please, i use debian since 1999
05:55
<ogra_cmpc>
the wikipage should have urls i think
05:55
<tarzeau>
ogra_cmpc: i know what i do. just give me source package urls
05:56
ogra_cmpc: we run our own repository here
05:56
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc, tarzeau: pipe down fellas, I'll find something for ya
05:56
<tarzeau>
what's the url to THE wiki page?
05:56
<ogra_cmpc>
it was spit out by the bot 5 lines ago
05:57
<daduke>
tarzeau: http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ldm/
05:57
<ogra_cmpc>
in my code its line 205 in ldm.c
05:58
dropping that line will either secure it or prevent any action ... so keep the old binary ;)
05:58
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: we just decided to set up a test LTSP server. too many clients out there already...
05:59
<ogra_cmpc>
yeah, dont do it in production :)
05:59
<daduke>
we'll keep you posted. What's this thing about vagrantc on a 3 day train ride?
06:00
<ogra_cmpc>
no idea, he has his name for a reason :)
06:00
<daduke>
;-)
06:00
<ogra_cmpc>
i know he likes to travel to .mx
06:00
<daduke>
by train? from OR? all right...
06:00
<ogra_cmpc>
probably he's on his way portland->.mx
06:01
even though i think he prefers the bus for this tour usually
06:01
<daduke>
if only somebody invented a 'plane'...
06:01
<ogra_cmpc>
he doesnt like them
06:01
<daduke>
good luck for the next .eu trip then.
06:01
<ogra_cmpc>
took me a while to convince him to come to a ubuntu conference in spain a year ago :)
06:01
oh, he uses them
06:01
he just doesnt like them
06:02
<daduke>
fair enough
06:02
<ogra_cmpc>
i totally agree
06:02
you completely loose the relation to distances if you fly to much
06:02
<daduke>
got a point here
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06:15
<tarzeau>
IT WORKS!
06:15
<ogra_cmpc>
indeed :)
06:15
<tarzeau>
BLING BLING. I AM SO COOL! http://www.magmypic.com/mags/view/5445678
06:15
<ogra_cmpc>
but sadly that wont make the pictures snappier
06:15
<tarzeau>
who cares, i want the music
06:15
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
06:17
intresting url
06:17
Vom PC-Ratgeber wurde Linux erkannt
06:17
Ihr PC ist bereit f?r eine zweimin?tig zu konfigurierende
06:17
Leitungsverbesserung. Um zu starten klicken Sie bitte auf 'Weiter'
06:17
lol
06:18* ogra_cmpc is tempted to click ...
06:19
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: I dare you!
06:19* tarzeau is testing the youtube on ltsp now
06:19
<ogra_cmpc>
flash video is really bad usually
06:20
mplayer slightly works though, if you dont saturate your network
06:21
... shoveling 24frames per sec in true color uncompressed over a network ....
06:21
<johnny>
hmm... gotta be a better way :(
06:21
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: funny thing is, mplayer can play VGA fullscreen no prob
06:22
<ogra_cmpc>
right
06:22
its not embedded in a browser win :)
06:22
<daduke>
mplayer-plugin?
06:23
<ogra_cmpc>
never tried that
06:23
<daduke>
have it on my notebook, F8, works fine.
06:24
<ogra_cmpc>
ubuntu defaults to totem .... which even slightly works as plugin if you set gstreamer to sdl output
06:24
(on ltsp i mean)
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<daduke>
have it on my notebook, F8, works fine.
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07:30
<jamey>
Is it possible to use more of the processor and RAM of a thin client so that computing is sped up on the LTSP server?
07:30
<cliebow_>
you can use localapps..it is in development i believe..
07:31
in ltsp5
07:31
<jamey>
awesome, thank you
07:31
<ogra_cmpc>
unlikely to be ready before autumn though
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08:53
<ogra_cmpc>
the one and only Gadi
08:53
hi
08:53
<Q-FUNK>
the ogra and gadi shooooooooooooooooow!
08:53
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
08:53
<Q-FUNK>
*rimshot*
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09:07
<Pascal_1>
hello
09:07
what are the protocoles used on thin client with debian etch ?
09:10
<Gadi>
morning
09:10
sorry - bit slow on the uptake
09:10
:P
09:10
<Pascal_1>
and do i have to enable [xdmcp]
09:10
#Enable=true in gdm.conf ?
09:11
<Gadi>
Pascal_1: what version of ltsp?
09:12
<Pascal_1>
what is the what is the way to know wich version is installed on a debian etch with apt-get? i think it's the version 5
09:12
<Gadi>
did you run ltsp-build-client?
09:12
to create it?
09:12
if yes, then it is version 5
09:12
and no, you need not enable xdmcp in gdm
09:13
all is done through ssh
09:13
<Pascal_1>
i run ltsp-build-client !!
09:13
then it's version 5
09:13
great answer !!!!!
09:13
thanks a lot
09:14
<Gadi>
np
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09:46
<rjune_>
!G
09:46
<ltspbot`>
rjune_: "G" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:46
<rjune_>
how goes your snmp work?
09:54
<Gadi>
its less work and more educational play ;)
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<rjune_>
LOL
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<bjorn>
on ubuntu 7.10 ltsp, i'm trying to specify a custom xorg.conf in server:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, but the client persists in using /etc/X11/xorg.conf, which seems to be auto-generated somehow
12:10
is there some magic step in addition to editing server:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf?
12:13
<cliebow_>
bjorn, i was hoping the "Maaster might step in here
12:16
<laga>
bjorn: what did you put in there?
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<bjorn>
laga: [default]
12:17
LTSP_VERSION=5.0.39
12:17
XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/X11/xorg.conf-ws002
12:18* laga can't check right now if that's correct because hardy took away his keyboard
12:22
<sutula>
bjorn: use X_CONF instead of XF86CONFIG_FILE
12:22
They changed the names
12:24
<bjorn>
sutula: still no workey. client still used /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:25
<laga>
i wonder how the client pulls the new xorg.conf
12:25
does it have to be in the squashfs? or in /var/lib/tftpboot?
12:25
<sutula>
bjorn: Are you putting the xorg.conf-ws002 in /opt/ltsp/i368/etc/X11?
12:26
It works for me :)
12:26
<bjorn>
sutula: yes: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5897 2008-03-06 21:51 /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf-ws002
12:27
<sutula>
bjorn: I have:
12:27
<bjorn>
i see this server:/opt/ltsp/images/i386.img thing, but dunno what it is. do i have to update it somehow?
12:28
<sutula>
[192.168.1.133]
12:28
X_CONF = /etc/X11/xorg.conf.kitchen
12:31
bjorn: Strange, I know it's using my xorg.conf.kitchen because the touchscreen is working (and wouldn't otherwise), but the Xorg.log file says it uses xorg.conf as the config file. Maybe there's magic going on.
12:31
<ogra_cmpc>
bjorn, right, sudo ltsp-update-image
12:32
<laga>
sutula: yes, "cp" does some magic there :)
12:33
<sutula>
bjorn: So the Xorg.log may be giving you misinformation...it might be using your new file
12:34
<ogra_cmpc>
sutula, only if he updated the image
12:34
ubuntu uses a squashfs, not nfs
12:35
so changes to the chroot (i.e. adding a file) only take effect if you recompress the image
12:36* sutula confirms, looking at the log, that it uses the new conf file, but the beginning of the log definitely lies :)
12:37
<ogra_cmpc>
XF86CONFIG_FILE and X_CONF work both btw, we're backwards compatible ;)
12:37* sutula files that away for future reference :)
12:40
<laga>
yay, evdev gave me mz keyboard back.
12:40
<ogra_cmpc>
but the wrong kezmap
12:41
:P
12:41
<laga>
yes
12:41
working on it :)
12:41
<ogra_cmpc>
apt-get remove scim
12:41
they are fiddling with the scim defaults in hardy atm
12:42
<laga>
no, i will just modify it in the kde control centre
12:42
<ogra_cmpc>
i just removed it for now until they are done
12:42
<laga>
yay, all worky.
12:43* laga is _really_ annoyed because the new xserver-xorg-input-evdev package does not work with old config options anymore.
12:43
<laga>
but hey, who needs backwards compatibility for stuff like keyboards. i still have my LIRC remote. </rant>
12:43
<ogra_cmpc>
heh, wait for intrepid ...
12:43
if we switch to hal input completely
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for keyboards mice etc
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<laga>
why? will .. ah, i thought stuff was going to break _completely_ there :)
12:44
i depend on evdev for my multiseat setup, so i can't wait :)
12:44
<ogra_cmpc>
yeah it will and you will use xorg without config
12:45
<laga>
no, i won't :) but i can see the benefits
12:45
<ogra_cmpc>
the future is automated hardware heaven
12:45
no fiddling with configs, xorg settings that apply on the fly without restarting etc
12:46
<laga>
yeah. and hell is going to freeze over.
12:46
<ogra_cmpc>
well, thats the upstream roadmap for x
12:47
<warren>
ogra_cmpc, I don't really understand how xauth is supposed to work
12:47
it is clear that ldm is doing something real funny though
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<warren>
ogra_cmpc, on F-8 it fails to write .Xauthority but it still works fine
12:47
<ogra_cmpc>
warren, do you have the -ac in your code ?
12:47
<warren>
-ac where?
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<ogra_cmpc>
we just discovered that
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<laga>
ogra_cmpc: if they can make it work. i'd expect that a lot of (display) hardware needs tweaks in xorg.conf.
12:47
<ogra_cmpc>
ldm.c
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as parameter to the X call
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<bjorn>
ogra_cmpc: ok, so i should move /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf and run ltsp-update-image. right?
12:48
<ogra_cmpc>
bjorn, no
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<warren>
ogra_cmpc, i'm using whatever is ldm-trunk
12:48* laga stops complaining
12:48
<ogra_cmpc>
bjorn, just run ltsp-update-image to make the new xorg config file availavble in the image
12:49
<warren>
ogra_cmpc, <ogra_cmpc> warren, could we please use a higher version number ? its the second iteration of code thats been used for 2.5 years out there, imho we're *at least* at version 1.5
12:49
ogra_cmpc, sure, call it version 500 for all I care.
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<ogra_cmpc>
:)
12:49
<bjorn>
ogra_cmpc: oh, any time i change the chroot, i need to run ltsp-update-image?
12:49
<ogra_cmpc>
well, scottie called the C code ldm 2
12:49
bjorn, exactly
12:50
bjorn, thats why lts.conf sits somewhere else, so you dont need to do it for *every* config change
12:52
<bjorn>
ogra_cmpc: ah yes, i think i figured that out a few months ago, but forgot it
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<warren>
ogra_cmpc, what was the -ac?
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<ogra_cmpc>
allow unauthenticated
12:53
<warren>
that doesn't sound good!
12:53
<ogra_cmpc>
right
12:53
<warren>
anybody can screw your with your server
12:53
<ogra_cmpc>
thats likely the reason why it works for you
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<ogra_cmpc>
no
12:53
with the client
12:53
not with the server
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<warren>
X server
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<ogra_cmpc>
right
12:54
heh
12:54
<warren>
how the heck did -ac get in there?
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<ogra_cmpc>
confusion
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<ogra_cmpc>
i think that inherits from early ltspfs setups
12:55
its quite embarassing
12:55
at least four pairs of eyes look at this code constantly since years ...
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<warren>
wait... -ac allowed anybody to connect?
13:00
removing that will break F-8
13:00
which is a good thing because ldm needs to be fixed to properly use xauth anyway
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<ogra_cmpc>
it does
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<warren>
I don't really understand how xauth works
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<ogra_cmpc>
xauth generates a cookie that then gets tied to the display
13:01
you run it before you start the X server, then point the X server with the -auth parameter to the file
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the cookie is bound to the host apps that want to display something need to provide that cookie
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s/host/host, /
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warren, xauth list
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try that in a gnome terminal
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<warren>
oh
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host apps?
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<ogra_cmpc>
s/host/host, /
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... host, apps ....
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typo
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<warren>
You mean any X clients that want to connect to the X server needs their host listed and to present the cookie?
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<ogra_cmpc>
no, th ecookie is generated with the hostname and tied to it
13:06
well, yes
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thats actually waht xhost does
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<ogra_cmpc>
the initial cookie is host bound though
13:08
@classmate:~$ xauth list
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classmate/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 084d9d761db9562af4c8dba1cb74b260
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the first column says there ais a unix domain socket on display 0 on the host classmate ... the auth method is a MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 with the key in the last column
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<edgar_>
Has anyone successfully used ltsp with e1000_ich9 driver?
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<jwz>
hey, where do I report ltsp bugs? I don't see a link to a bugzilla or anything.
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<sepski>
jwz, on your distros BTS i'd say.
17:19
<dberkholz>
if ltsp-5, distro would be a good place to start unless you've narrowed it down to something ltsp-specific like ltspfs or ldm
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<mnemoc>
do you plan to make any beta release (tarball) of ltsp-specific packages, or tagless and bzr-only ?
17:21
<jwz>
dberkholz: thanks. next dumb question: can it possibly be that ubuntu has no bugzilla either?
17:21
<dberkholz>
jwz: oh they use this "amazing" tool called launchpad instead
17:21
<mnemoc>
*cough*
17:21
<jwz>
um...
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<dberkholz>
mnemoc: that's a nice question mnemoc, i wouldn't mind knowing the answer too
17:22
<jwz>
let me try again... I'm using ubuntu. and ltsp-5. I have bugs to report. what would you like me to do with them?
17:22
<sepski>
jwz, http://bugs.ubuntu.com
17:23
<jwz>
cool, thanks. (I'll try to get past my shock that there seems to be no link to that on www.ubuntu.com)
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<sepski>
jwz, ubuntu does not want to scare the newbies
17:24
*chuckle* :)
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<mnemoc>
a simple google query leads you to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs as first link
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<mnemoc>
dberkholz: at least using tags would help people to know where to package for their distributions
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by wehre i mean which revision to use
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<cyberorg>
warren, here is the changes i had to make to ltsp.spec to get it working http://pastebin.ca/933262
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