IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 18 November 2011   (all times are UTC)

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00:50
<alkisg>
Gadi: if an ltsp client doesn't have a sound card, it can't play videos, because it lacks a default sink
00:50
`pactl load-module module-always-sink` fixes that, maybe we should include a default sink by... default?
00:50
It's there on standalone installations
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09:35
<rickogden>
morning all
09:44
<alkisg>
Good morning
09:44
<muppis>
Morning.
09:54
<rickogden>
I've suddenly started getting connection refused from the nbd server
09:54
and when I do /etc/init.d/nbd-server restart it says " Could not parse config file: Could not open config file /etc/nbd-server/config.", turns out the config file doesn't exist
09:55
I don't think it has ever existed
09:55
<alkisg>
Yes, nbd is started from /etc/inetd.conf
09:56
<rickogden>
ahh
09:58
that's strange, there's no port 2000, I'll create one for it
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09:59
<Guest34754>
hi guys
09:59
if i run a ltsp server
10:01
anyone trys to boot a client with to a static server without dhcp?
10:01
or any ideas+
10:03
whats to be the best solution
10:03
<alkisg>
Guest34754: to use gpxe, and put an embedded script with the networking info
10:03
!gpxe
10:03
<ltsp>
alkisg: gpxe: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
10:04
<Guest34754>
i use this
10:04
<Hyperbyte>
Guest34754, or if you just want the clients to always have the same IP addresses, you can make your DHCP server hand out static IP addresses as well.
10:05
<Guest34754>
i have accually the problem that i don`t want the ltsp sends out dhcps
10:05
so i loaded the gpxe loader
10:05
but anyone of you tried to boot static
10:05
<alkisg>
Yes, I told you the solution above
10:05
<Guest34754>
because i have loaded image rom-o-matic dhcp works fine
10:06
<alkisg>
You don't need a dhcp server at all to boot with gpxe AND an embedded script
10:06
<rickogden>
Guest34754: http://www.rickogden.com/2010/06/ltsp-part-1-gpxe/
10:06
<alkisg>
If you don't know what an embedded script is, use google translate on this message: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=1451.msg24373#msg24373
10:06
<rickogden>
ignore the solution to the problem (it's outdated)
10:07
<Guest34754>
o my greek is not so good at the moment
10:08
<alkisg>
That's why I said "use google translate", please read my messages :)
10:08
bbl
10:08
<Guest34754>
if i try to create an image on website romomatic with embedded script
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10:08
<Guest34754>
and can set it up if i put it there
10:11
<rickogden>
Guest34754: what I ended up doing was building my own image from a script
10:11
found it easier than rom-o-matic
10:14
<Guest34754>
aha
10:14
so you load tarball
10:15
and compile it?
10:15
<rickogden>
yep
10:15
my script does: dhcp eth0
10:15
<Guest34754>
with static.boot gpxe..
10:15
Ok thanks I`ll try this
10:15
but for 99% we will here us
10:15
again
10:16
<rickogden>
kernel tftp://{server-ip}/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz nbdroot={server-ip}:2000 nbd_proxy=false
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initrd tftp://{server-ip}/ltsp/i386/initrd.img
10:17
boot vmlinuz
10:17
that's my script
10:18
the only down side to this is I have to use the lts.conf file which is in the chroot as opposed to the tftp directory (so I have to update the image each time)
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11:49
<chrisjrob>
i am running debian lenny, and wanted to build a second chroot using debian squeeze. i felt fairly comfortable to use ltsp-build-client to do this, but are there any gotchas in running a different distribution on the client and server?
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<Roasted>
hello!
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<chrisjrob>
ah well, no response. I went ahead and installed the second chroot, and added lines for options root-path and filename in dhcpd.conf and it Just Worked
14:06
and better still my new atom clients have all now spring into life
14:06
ltsp++
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<matrix3000>
morning guys
14:14
morking alkisg
14:14
<alkisg>
Hi matrix3000
14:17
<matrix3000>
chrisjrob: that's cause no one was in here haha
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<chrisjrob>
the only answer is that we should all live on UCT forthwith
14:19
pass the word around
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14:21
<matrix3000>
ha
14:21
nope
14:31
<mistik1>
What is ltsp currently using to provide audio on the thin-clients?
14:32
<ogra_>
pulse
14:32
<mistik1>
hrmm
14:33
ogra_: Do you know if anyone has done experiments with netjack?
14:33
<ogra_>
no idea
14:33
pulse is used since 5 years now without many probs
14:34
<mistik1>
I have a project comming up where I think I'll need to provide the thin client with realtime audio
14:34
<ogra_>
then you should consider local apps for the audio stuff
14:34
and probably run jack locally
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14:35
<ogra_>
realtime audio via network wont really be real time :)
14:35
<mistik1>
sure it will
14:35
<ogra_>
(note that the pulse setup ltsp uses streams from the server)
14:36
<mistik1>
In my situation I'll have samples and applications on the server
14:36
<ogra_>
well, then network latency might kill your realtime dream
14:36
<mistik1>
I'm thinking jack running on the thin-client acting as a netjack slave to the server
14:37
<ogra_>
you will still have a saturated network if you use graphical stuff
14:37
<mistik1>
ogra_: Its not something I would attempt in a busy net
14:37
This is more like two machines on an audio server
14:37
<ogra_>
ah, yeah, that might be okayish ... though still not realtime
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<mistik1>
realtime is a bit of a misnomer in this situation, jack timestamps everthing so even if there is some latency its compensated for and everything still plays in the correct order, if you know what I mean
14:39
btw, We already have very good operation with netjack hooking up different sample boxes to DAW box
14:40
<ogra_>
well, if nobody changed the code since i added pulse you should still be able to specify a different sound server ...
14:40
though i guess the code changed a lot since :)
14:40
<mistik1>
heh
14:40
<ogra_>
(havent touched ltsp for 4 years now)
14:41
<mistik1>
ogra_: Remember I used to do the sound server stuff, that was before yours so I dont even want to guess at what I would see, which is why I asked :)
14:42
<ogra_>
before mine ? that was ltsp 4.2 then :)
14:42
<mistik1>
yep
14:42
<ogra_>
didnt that use esound ?
14:42
<mistik1>
I've not touched 5 series at all
14:42
back then it was esound or arts
14:43
there was also another one....nsd or something like that
14:43
nasd
14:43
<ogra_>
well, pulse isnt worse than esd when it comes to network streaming
14:43
yeah, never touched nasd and i think it was even dead upstream when i started with 5
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14:46* mistik1 dreams of building an audio processing cluster one day.
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
15:11
<mistik1>
Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<mgariepy>
good morning
15:30
hey sbalneav the other day you where wondering what you would put in front of your users, what's about xfce ?
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<jason00>
Hello! Quick question... a colleague (tech teacher) wants me to demo some projects I've worked on. I agreed to load up FOG and LTSP on a spare system to show Windows imaging as well as Linux thin clients. The only question I have is FOG and LTSP both utilize DHCP from the server, however LTSP's "DHCP" resides elsewhere. Can FOG and LTSP co-exist and both run DHCP-Server without issue on the same box with the same nic?
15:46
<Hyperbyte>
You can only have one DHCP server in a network.
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15:46
<Hyperbyte>
However, LTSP can work with any DHCP server, as long as it sends the correct boot options along with the DHCP lease.
15:47
It doesn't matter at all if the DHCP server is on the same host as the LTSP server; in my network I have a seperate network server, which hands out the IP addresses, for example.
15:47
<jason00>
Hyperbyte: there IS only one DHCP server...
15:47
I just want to make sure FOG and LTSP can co-exist on the same DHCP Server.
15:47
<Hyperbyte>
I don't see why they couldn't.
15:47
I don't know what FOG does
15:47
<jason00>
The only reason I bring it up is FOG uses /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
15:47
whereas LTSP is different
15:47
/etc/ltsp or whatever
15:48
<Hyperbyte>
But if it uses PXE boot, you'll have to configure per mac address which client gets LTSP and which one gets FOG (assuming FOG PXE boots)
15:48
<jason00>
Have you heard of Norton Ghost?
15:48
Yes, FOG PXE boots. Dang I didn't think of that.
15:48
Then it won't know whether to go to the FOG menu or boot as a thin client.
15:48
<Hyperbyte>
jason00, /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is the same sort of file as /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf...
15:48
<jason00>
That's what I thought, but like I said, just wanted to make sure. :D
15:49
<Hyperbyte>
LTSP uses /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf so it doesn't conflict with existing dhcpd configuration.
15:49
<jason00>
But the PXE thing is a far greater concern... I forgot that....
15:49
Maybe it would be easier to toss in a PCI NIC and set up two networks.
15:49
After all, this is just a demo PC.
15:50
I just want this single box to have the capability to demo two awesome products for both linux and windows networks.
15:52
<chrisjrob>
jason00: as you won't need fog on the ltsp network - a twin network card approach might uit
15:52
*suit
15:53
i.e. the ltsp server sits on the "fog" network, but the clients sit on a sub-network served by it's own dhcp network
15:53
(on the ltsp server)
15:54
<jason00>
not sure I follow, but I figured I would just set up two networks. 192.168.1.1, and 192.168.0.1
15:54
0.1 being LTSP, 1.1 being FOG
15:54
/24 and they'd be segregated
15:54
not sure if I just re-worded what you were trying to say?
15:55
<chrisjrob>
i have't explained myself well
15:55
you have your main network, served by the fog dhcp, on which the ltsp server sits
15:55
and then a second network card in the ltsp server
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which serves up dhcp to a secondary network
15:56
can't see why that wouldn't work
15:57
would mean a separate switch or vlan
15:57
others here would know better, I'm quite sure
15:58
<jason00>
on my old FOG server, I would have two NICs in it. One used by FOG, the other set up to use DHCP for external access. I don't see why I couldn't mimic that setup but dump LTSP in that place.
15:58
LTSP 0.1, 1.1 being FOG.
15:58
The only question is, do I have to set up /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf for FOG and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf for LTSP?
15:58
Or does the /ltsp/dhcpd.conf existing negate use for /dhcp3/dhcpd.conf?
16:00
<chrisjrob>
a single dhcpd.conf file can serve multiple networks
16:00
if that answers your question
16:01
don't know fog at all sadly
16:01
<Hyperbyte>
jason00, yes. Look in the init script for the dhcpd server in /etc/init.d
16:01
You'll see a line which says "if /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf exists, use that file rather than the default config"
16:02
So you need to use one config file, or the other.
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<veloutin>
eh I did setxkbmap us intl altgr
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<veloutin>
woops, bad window
16:06
<stgraber>
veloutin: bah, I'm in both anyway
16:07
<veloutin>
stgraber: I know ^^
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<jason00>
Hyperbyte: so I could just set up two scopes in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, one for FOG, one for LTSP, and call it a day...
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16:40
<sbalneav>
mgariepy: Yeah, that's what I'm settling on.
16:40
Now I just need to figure out how to do "enterprise" deployments:
16:40
i.e. predefine some panel defaults, menu defaults, etc.
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<chrisjrob>
sbalneav: but is there a lock-down editor for XFCE? kiosk-tool for KDE, pessalus for Gnome, never heard of one for XFCE
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<sbalneav>
chrisjrob: doubt it. I'm not worried about a lockdown editor.
16:52
<chrisjrob>
ah good
16:52
<sbalneav>
I just want sane defaults when the user launches their desktop for the first time
16:53
after that, if they bugger up their desktop, I just do a "rm -rf .xfce*" and get them back to defaults and tell them "Fool around with settings at your own risk" :)
16:54
<chrisjrob>
http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/kiosk_mode
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<sbalneav>
chrisjrob: thanks. Bookmarked.
16:57
<chrisjrob>
i have the same problem coming up fast
16:57
we're currently using kde 3.5
16:57
need to decide whether we go kde4 or gnome3
16:57
*sigh*
16:58
<sbalneav>
Gnome 3's simply "too different" for our users.
16:58
<chrisjrob>
actually not sure kiosktool has been updated yet for kde4, seems to be something of a work in progress
16:58
<sbalneav>
And, bluntly, it doesn't work on our hardware. Our thin clients don't do hardware accelleration.
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<mgariepy>
chrisjrob, there is a simple way to lock stuff in xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/kiosk_mode
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18:05
<chrisjrob>
mgariepy: thanks, i found that afterward, and posted it to sbalneav
18:06
<mgariepy>
ha ;)
18:06
<chrisjrob>
but theres no GUI how will we cope?
18:06
<mgariepy>
i didn't read all the channel.. ;)
18:06
<chrisjrob>
wise man
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or woman
18:07
<mgariepy>
if you are talking about me, man ;P
18:07
<chrisjrob>
so difficult to tell in irc
18:07
sadly "man" is a fair assumption
18:07
<mgariepy>
indeed.
18:08
i need to do some testing with edubuntu-menu-editor to see if i can apply about the same in xfce and gnome 2.x
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18:12* chrisjrob watches a test client prompt with a 5 minute warning to shutdown
18:12
<chrisjrob>
yay, it works
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20:17
<knipwim>
alkisg: i made some changes to debian's ltsp-chroot script
20:18
so it also works on gentoo
20:18
and leaving it intact for debian
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not sure whether to merge the changes tough
20:21
hmm, i see ubuntu also uses this
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<chrisjrob>
never noticed the ltsp-chroot script before
20:49
pity you can't specify an alternative chroot, e.g. ltsp-chroot --chroot /opt/ltsp/alt
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20:53
<knipwim>
chrisjrob: ltsp-chroot --base /opt/ltsp/alt :)
20:54
<chrisjrob>
knipwim: does that work?
20:54
<knipwim>
you got have an arch in the alt dir
20:55
like /opt/ltsp/alt/i386
20:55
<chrisjrob>
ah, no
20:55
<knipwim>
the chroot in the script is made from --base and --arch
20:55
<chrisjrob>
it is not a base
20:55
i have i386 in /opt/ltsp, and another chroot "i386-squeeze"
20:55
which is based on debian squeeze instead of lenny
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<knipwim>
id, that doesn't work
20:56
i use different bases for that, in your case, a /opt/ltsp-squeeze/i386 and an /opt/ltsp-lenny/i386
20:57
<chrisjrob>
ah
20:57
*sigh*
20:57
i think that falls under the category of "it's working"
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<knipwim>
:)
20:58
i was really glad i found it
20:58
was using a much less elegant way of chrooting
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<mgariepy>
root@ltsp-lab:~# ltsp-chroot -p -a lucid
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knipwim, what changes did you made ?
21:03
i would like to change the prompt when inside a chroot
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<knipwim>
mgariepy: depending on the distro (from lsb_release) perform different package mounts and umounts basically
21:05
my version now supports Ubuntu and Debian for the previous behaviour, and added Gentoo's
21:05
all other distro's only have proc mounting and basic chrooting
21:05
<mgariepy>
this way you would know what you are changing. and also i would like to add some locking so it's not possible to be 2 editing the same chroot at the same time.
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<chrisjrob>
is there a serious problem with just using chroot, and mounting and umounting proc and sys as required?
21:07
<knipwim>
you wouldn't want the chroot inside a production environment
21:07
unless you know what you're doing
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<mgariepy>
it's not a serious problem but using ltps-chroot you only have 1 command to execute instead of 3 or 4..
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<mgariepy>
i always use ""ltsp-chroot -p""
21:08
<knipwim>
same here (in my old script anyways)
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21:08
<knipwim>
chroot, do some maintanance, exit and unmount
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<chrisjrob>
I'm pretty sure ltsp-chroot didn't exist when I started with ltsp
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21:15
<knipwim>
released 2009-10-12
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21:18
<chrisjrob>
a recent innovation then :)
21:42
<abeehc>
things move fast
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<alkisg>
knipwim: hi! Can you pastebin the new ltsp-chroot code?
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