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Channel log from 15 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<nubae>
cyberorg: yeah, I know easy-ltsp works on all distros, but on openSUSE it is far more integrated
04:10
anyway... I was thinking about some more additions u can make to the DVD yesterday... but I'll mention that in kiwi-ltsp
04:10
<cyberorg>
nubae, it was designed in such a way that each distros can write their module for required configuration, lts.conf module is kept generic
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04:41
<Appiah>
Umm I forgot
04:41
How do I enable ssh on the clients?
04:42
so I can ssh to the client and troubleshoot
04:42
or use the console
04:42
screen shell something in lts.conf?
04:44
<nubae>
SCREEN_04=shell for example
04:44
<Appiah>
ah
04:44
but how can I ssh to the client?
04:44
<nubae>
and create a user and pass in the chroot
04:51
<Drakonen>
wth, i have a user on a mac (german) who is connecting with rdp to xrdp
04:51
the suer cannot type certain numbers
04:51
literally, he presses they key, and it doesnt appear
04:51
the 1 works, the 2 doesnt
04:51
<nubae>
hmmm, borken keyboard?
04:52
sorry, have to ask :-)
04:52
<Drakonen>
works when entering the ip address
04:52
its kiwi ltsp
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<Drakonen>
im gonna try the windows fix, reboot!
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<cyberorg>
Drakonen, check man rdesktop, -k option ;)
05:15
<dmarkey>
stgraber: ping
05:15
or anyone, how do i get the fx160 to work
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<Drakonen>
cyberorg: but its FROM a mac
05:17
wiull look into it anyway :
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<cyberorg>
mac might have different keyboard layout, use -k option to pass the correct layout
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05:29
<Drakonen>
so setup the correct layout on the mac client
05:47
<dmarkey>
no tips on the FX160 then? its an SIS gfx chip
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<davidj>
rjune rjune_ : ping
07:21
<rjune>
davidj: http://jl.bravegnuworld.com/page/Main_Page
07:22
<davidj>
rjune: thx
07:22
<rjune>
is still pretty rough
07:23
couple of questions for you though
07:23
the original is based on a fixd width of ~ 1200 px
07:23
do youwant that? or do you want a relative width based on %?
07:23
<davidj>
Let's chat in the hallway, no sense annoying Jim.
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<yoshi__>
hi everyone
07:31
ping
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<dmaran>
Anyone know where/(if) the release notes for the upcoming LTSP Jaunty release are located on the web?
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<maginot>
hey guys.... what have changed in ubuntu8.10 for printing on clients? I cant connect to the printer... the printer is on lpt1 (PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 and PRINTER_0_TYPE=P)
08:57
Im using jetdirect with the client ip and port 9100 but Im receiving a message that the printer may be offline...
08:57
I notice that now there are two similar packages for cups (cups-something and cupsys-something) should I install anything else ?
09:07
anyone?
09:08
<Appiah>
have yet to touch printers
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<_UsUrPeR___>
jeez. Must have been disconnected
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<ogra>
maginot, it should a) work without PRINTER_0_TYPE (thats determined by the device name) and b) you shouldnt install anything, the default cups stuff thats installed should just work ...
09:12
maginot, though gadi and sbalneav changed a lot on my old jetpipe script and made it a lot more complex
09:14
<maginot>
ogra, well... I can took off the PRINTER_0_TYPE parameter (on 7.10 this was working) but I don't know if it will solve this issue... do you have an ubuntu install on anybox close to you?
09:14
<ogra>
maginot, first thing i'd check would be if /dev/lp0 actually exists, boot with SCREEN_02=shell, SCREEN_07=ldm
09:14
<maginot>
I think that sending an echo to /dev/lp0 if all is right it should print ...
09:14
<ogra>
and check in the shell
09:15
<maginot>
yes, Im going to check this now... maybe something changin in the device address ... lets see
09:15
<ogra>
PRINTER_0_TYPE is just ignored (it was on 7.10 as well, jetpipe never used it)
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<maginot>
ogra, so... echo "test" > /dev/lp0 work... printing with echo "test" | lp -d printer_name return an error that printer my be disconected (but this on cups gui applet, on shell nothing is returned)... I notice that I dont have lpr on chroot, I can install it, but together there are a lot of packages
09:40
<ogra>
is jetpipe running ?
09:41
you shouldnt install anything in the chroot, the installed packages should completely suffice to get you a printer on a thin client session
09:42
if echo "test" > /dev/lp0 prints something your driver, the kernel and the rest of the low level is fine
09:42
<maginot>
ogra, I thought that too.. I remember from a previously installation that lpr was on chroot, now I dont know why is missing... and I can print to my HP network printers with no problem, so I suppose the problem is on chroot
09:43
<ogra>
jetpipe just does the same, it forwards all data recieving on 9100 to /dev/lp0 directly
09:43
thats identical to echo "test" > /dev/lp0 ...
09:44
<maginot>
I thought it was using lpr to print in the client ...
09:45
<ogra>
no
09:45
it just forwards the binary data
09:46
<Drakonen>
kiwi doesnt seem to like it that the dhcp server is on an other server then the tftp/ltsp server
09:47
<maginot>
ogra, Hmmm what should I do then? something is happening in the middle way, from the client I can print sending data direct to the device, but I cant print if I try to use lp, or from the server...
09:47
=/
09:47
<ogra>
Drakonen, #kiwi-ltsp might be of help, kiwi doesnt use the standard ltsp setup
09:47
<Drakonen>
ah, i see
09:47
<ogra>
Drakonen, afaik you need some very kiwi specific commands to set it up
09:47
<maginot>
and what Im thinking odd is the fact that I have 3 hp network printers that I print from clients and are installed in the server using jetdirect too
09:48
<cyberorg>
ogra, hi there, just one "kiwi-ltsp-setup" :)
09:48
<ogra>
cyberorg, with a lot of changes to a config file, no ?
09:48
<cyberorg>
no
09:49
config file is filled up with auto detected values, it can be customized of course if requried
09:50
<maginot>
Im thinking about backing up /opt/ltsp and then install lpr on chroot to see what happen... if nothing good happen I cant just mv back the backup
09:50
<cyberorg>
ogra, don't resist trying out live DVD :D
09:51
ogra, you will like what we have done, i promise :)
09:51
<ogra>
cyberorg, please stop nagging me about it, i dont have time for this
09:51
<maginot>
is anyone here in the channel with an untouched ubuntu 8.10 ltsp install ? (like with an untouched chroot)
09:52
<ogra>
i havent even been able to test ubuntus ltsp since the beginning of intrepid
09:52
<cyberorg>
ogra, it's not just you, i keep pimping it whenever i can ;)
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
10:26
<ogra>
evening jammcq
10:26
<jammcq>
hey ogra
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<dmaran>
Little nudge: ´╗┐Anyone know where/(if) the release notes for the upcoming LTSP Jaunty release are located on the web?
11:30
<maginot>
how do I specify other folder them /opt/i386/ltsp to be used to build the image?
11:31
ok
11:31
I got it
11:31
=)
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<maginot>
Hmm pendrives are not mouting =/
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<maginot>
I forgot to add the users to the right groups argh
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<maginot__>
hi ... isn't to the client have an 9100 open port ?
13:07
hi ... isn't to the client have an 9100 open port ?
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<maginot>
so ... lets see if someone can help me with that. I cant print on printers connected on clients. From client I can "echo 'test' > /dev/lp0' and its printing. From server I cant print in the client.
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<Lns>
maginot: have you configured lts.conf to reflect the printer?
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<maginot>
Lns, yeah, lts.conf have PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0, in the client I have /dev/lp0 printing in the printer (I can test with echo "test" > /dev/lp0) in /etc/group of the client I can see the user logged in the lp group. I think the problem is on the client to receive the request. nmap on the client doesnt show any 9100 open port
14:13
<ogra>
maginot, so did you check jetpipe runs (i asked you that this morning)
14:14
<maginot>
ogra, Hmm sorry, I have forgot I was just thinking of who was receiving the request, where do I check jetpipe? can I ps to see if it up of must I use lsof ?
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<ogra>
ps ax|grep jetpipe
14:14
<maginot>
ok
14:15
if is not, any advice of what to do?
14:16
<ogra>
well, it should run if PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set and the device you point to in that var is existing
14:16
<loather>
jetpipe. there's a new lp_server ? :)
14:16* loather investigates
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<maginot>
this two things I can garantee that are okay. /dev/lp0 prints to the printer and lts.conf is well set ... I will go to the client know to see what up there
14:17
<ogra>
loather, thats the old one that wasnt licensed, someone took over upstream
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<ogra>
loather, jetpipe only exists because the old one wasnt distributable
14:19
<loather>
ah. well, it's not like the protocol is terribly difficult or anything -- glad we've got one that's "ours" now :)
14:19
<ogra>
well, that app is only doing 9100 -> /dev/lp0 essentially anyway :)
14:20
<loather>
yeah. if you want bidirectional stuff it's a bit more complex, but as the main use case is sending preformatted output straight to a printer ...
14:20
<maginot>
ogra, before I go test, just answer me this, isnt to the client have a 9100 open port ?
14:20
<ogra>
the first implementation until gadi added support for serial printers was 50 lines of python code ... 30 of them were the gpl license snippet
14:21
<loather>
haha, sounds about right :)
14:21
<ogra>
i implemented it in less than 1h
14:21
<Lns>
stupid gpl license bloating our software... =p
14:21
<ogra>
heh
14:21
maginot, yes, if you see jetpipe running there should be a jetdirect port open
14:22* Lns looks at the win32/Virut infested system scanning on his workbench
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<maginot>
ogra, well, this I can tell you that isnt happening, nmap localhost in the client shell didnt show any 9100 port, nothing on lsof or netstat too
14:23
<ogra>
check if jetpipe is running ...
14:23
you said its 8.10, right ?
14:24
<maginot>
yep
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<ogra>
gadi touched the code after me, he might have more info
14:24
i know there were packaging issues with the initial 8.04 release
14:24
<maginot>
sorry for havent check jetpipe yet, but Im trying to see any posibility before going to the client (its not at my site)
14:24
<ogra>
but 8.10 should just work
14:24
<maginot>
Hmm
14:25
okay, I will go now to see that.
14:25* ogra goes out and calls it a day
14:27
<Lns>
cheers ogra
14:35
<maginot>
ogra, now I know what is happening. And why is so odd. jetpipe isnt running, when trying to execute it I receive a fatal error when trying to load serial module (module not found) and this is happening cause my Kernel was customized and like I havent any serial device running I took off serial support. =)
14:48
<vagrantc>
people and their pesky customizations
14:48
:)
14:48
<maginot>
aff I try ;)
14:49* maginot looking for the serial module in kernel ....
15:02
<Lns>
hahaha...and you wonder why things break when you stray from the path.. ;)
15:03
<vagrantc>
follow the yellow brick road
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<maginot>
haha wel
15:03
but
15:03
I hate the but
15:04
I cant find a serial modules, and those inside char of kernel are all selected... and I was just thinking, if the module serial is required by client, so Its the client chroot that is missing the serial module
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<maginot>
mabe ltsp-update-kernel could solve this?
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<vagrantc>
doubtful
15:08
sounds like you simply need to compile your kernel with serial support, either built in or as a module...
15:09
<Lns>
maginot: are you modifying your chroot kernel or the server kernel?
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<maginot>
vagrantc, Im checking in menuconfig but seens to be there already, for what I reading here http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-16.html
15:10
Lns, I only changed the server kernel ...
15:10
<vagrantc>
that shouldn't affect it at all, then.
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<maginot>
thats why I said about ltsp-update-kernels .. I dont know what to do... jetpipe isnt running on the client, when I try to run to see what output it shows me Fatal error, module serial no found
15:14
I can only think about getting serial module in the chroot... well, strange.
15:17
<Lns>
maginot: would it be out of the question to simply rebuild your chroot?
15:19
<maginot>
Lns, I though about that sooner this afternoon... I did some changes, like firefox and evince local, but this I could do again. Maybe worth a try
15:20
<Lns>
maginot: you can always revert to your old one
15:20
<maginot>
yeah, I will keep a copy
15:22
whats the time where you are?
15:24
(Lns, vagrantc ^ =D)
15:24
<Lns>
~1:20pm ?
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<maginot>
Hmmm that why most times you guys only show up late afternoon here
15:25
lol
15:25
good to know
15:25
=)
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<vagrantc>
-0700 here.
15:29
timezone, that is
15:30
<maginot>
guys, thanks for the help, sorry if I bother anyone... tomorrow I will rebuild the chroot and see if it helps. cya
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<Guest60212>
hi everyone got a question, we have student and offcourse teachers, we have a classroom 1A with 3 terminals for the students, ist it possible to let the 3 terminals log in as the same user and use the same home directory ? or do we have to give it 3 different logins, ifso how can we maken it so that it points to the same Home dir, namely 1A
15:31
byby maginot
15:31
<vagrantc>
Guest60212: 3 different logins, different home dirs.
15:32
<Guest60212>
no possiblity to let them put their files under 1 global 1A home dir ?
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<vagrantc>
not a home dir, but another dir that they all have write access to
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<alkisg>
Guest60212: you mean home dir or a "documents folder" ?
15:33
<Guest60212>
documents folder
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<vagrantc>
things like firefox and gnome maintain information about running processes, so you can't have multiple people using the same home dir.
15:33
<alkisg>
As vagrantc said, it's easy to have a shortcut on their desktops that points to a common directory.
15:34
You may even use a common Desktop or Documents directory, but why?
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<Guest60212>
kids have to save their work under the class document folder
15:34
1A and the teacher can look into it
15:34
and also put things in it
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<alkisg>
In my 1st grade (12 y.o.) I just have a common directory on their desktops, and that suffices.
15:35
<Guest60212>
ok tx :)
15:35
<alkisg>
When I want to send them things, I put them in this folder
15:35
When I want to look at their documents, I go to their documents (different account for each student)
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<Guest60212>
and so you made it so that they cant browse with nautilus to the home directories created for the users
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<alkisg>
I didn't have to do anything, this is by default so.
15:36
<Guest60212>
we are testing ltsp now for the first time and i have to say its wonderfulle really :)
15:36
<alkisg>
Installing once for all PCs and navigating to the whole lab in the same hard disk is really wonderful :)
15:37
<Guest60212>
how you mean you didn't have to do anything is by defautl so ?
15:37
<alkisg>
Yes
15:37
I mean that if you create a user, you have read access to his documents
15:37
by default
15:38
<Guest60212>
aa yes
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<alkisg>
If I *really* need to modify their documents, I "sudo" it.
15:38
<Guest60212>
ok didn't understand :)
15:38
we are thinking about using ACL
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for the teachers and so on
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for access to certain folders
15:39
local apps is also very nice
15:39
and works like a charme
15:39
charm
15:39
jesus my english is rusty :)
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<alkisg>
I don't know about ACL. I didn't find a need for them yet, groups are enough for me.
15:40
<Guest60212>
and what are your experiances with locking the gnome desktop ?
15:40
so the kids and offcourse the teachers can temper with things
15:40
are you using gconf ?
15:40
<alkisg>
Well... I tried locking it, and it locks fine, but I don't really need it because it's easy to undo any changes
15:41
<Guest60212>
Lns gave me the tip of using gconf :)
15:41
<alkisg>
With a single command you may revert the panel changes for all students, so... why locking? :)
15:41
<Guest60212>
seems nice
15:41
whats that command ?
15:42
because our kids realy screw up things and also the teacher als always tempering with stuff. we want one nice uniform enviroment
15:42
<alkisg>
I use: for f in $users; do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel; done; killall gnome-panel.
15:43
I do want my students to experiment so that they're not afraid of PCs.
15:43
<Guest60212>
interesting vision
15:44
but teacher complain constantly if something is not familiar with us
15:44
<alkisg>
I want to make an application with common tasks per user,
15:44
<Guest60212>
we already changed their idea of not able to live without microsoft office
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<alkisg>
that would enable the teacher to select his class and e.g. reset all the panels with two mouse clicks. That would make it easy...
15:45
<Guest60212>
mm that would be nice indeed
15:45
<alkisg>
...but I don't know when I'll find the time for it. :(*
15:45
<Guest60212>
also teacher can select then if they have another group of students
15:45
like in high schools
15:46
what is the command to change my nick here in this channel :)
15:46
<alkisg>
Yes, move students into different classes (=groups), reset their desktop, create a bunch of new accounts for new students etc.
15:46
<Guest60212>
normaly my nick is yoshi_
15:46
<alkisg>
/nick yournewnickname
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<Guest60212>
yoshi_ki
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<yoshi_ki>
aaah
15:47
it has been 7 years since i was on irc :)
15:47
so i forget things to fast
15:48
ok thanks alkisg for all your help and insights :)
15:48
we are gonna try out some stuff we learned
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<alkisg>
Yw, I don't know if any of it will help you, but that's what I use.. :)
15:48
<yoshi_ki>
tx and greetz from belgium :)
15:48
i surely helps
15:49
i = it
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:)
15:49
<alkisg>
Goodnight from Greece :)
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<warren>
I need to tag ltsp-trunk
17:44
anybody?
17:45
tagged
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<vagrantc>
pfft.
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warren... *sigh*
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<MasterShrek>
hello, looking for the source code so i can compile this on slamd64, is it available?
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<vagrantc>
MasterShrek: source code for what?
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https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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?
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<vagrantc>
LTSP5 is build using the host distro's packages, so you'd just have to find a distro that supports the architecture, processor, or whatever.
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<jdu>
what is the best ltsp management software. Ie. something that would allow one manage clients, see their screens, etc.
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I did already look a little at Italc but I haven't tried it out yet.
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