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cyberorg: yeah, I know easy-ltsp works on all distros, but on openSUSE it is far more integrated
anyway... I was thinking about some more additions u can make to the DVD yesterday... but I'll mention that in kiwi-ltsp
nubae, it was designed in such a way that each distros can write their module for required configuration, lts.conf module is kept generic
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Umm I forgot
How do I enable ssh on the clients?
so I can ssh to the client and troubleshoot
or use the console
screen shell something in lts.conf?
SCREEN_04=shell for example
but how can I ssh to the client?
and create a user and pass in the chroot
wth, i have a user on a mac (german) who is connecting with rdp to xrdp
the suer cannot type certain numbers
literally, he presses they key, and it doesnt appear
the 1 works, the 2 doesnt
hmmm, borken keyboard?
sorry, have to ask :-)
works when entering the ip address
its kiwi ltsp
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im gonna try the windows fix, reboot!
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Drakonen, check man rdesktop, -k option ;)
or anyone, how do i get the fx160 to work
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cyberorg: but its FROM a mac
wiull look into it anyway :
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mac might have different keyboard layout, use -k option to pass the correct layout
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so setup the correct layout on the mac client
no tips on the FX160 then? its an SIS gfx chip
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rjune rjune_ : ping
is still pretty rough
couple of questions for you though
the original is based on a fixd width of ~ 1200 px
do youwant that? or do you want a relative width based on %?
Let's chat in the hallway, no sense annoying Jim.
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Anyone know where/(if) the release notes for the upcoming LTSP Jaunty release are located on the web?
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hey guys.... what have changed in ubuntu8.10 for printing on clients? I cant connect to the printer... the printer is on lpt1 (PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0 and PRINTER_0_TYPE=P)
Im using jetdirect with the client ip and port 9100 but Im receiving a message that the printer may be offline...
I notice that now there are two similar packages for cups (cups-something and cupsys-something) should I install anything else ?
have yet to touch printers
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jeez. Must have been disconnected
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maginot, it should a) work without PRINTER_0_TYPE (thats determined by the device name) and b) you shouldnt install anything, the default cups stuff thats installed should just work ...
maginot, though gadi and sbalneav changed a lot on my old jetpipe script and made it a lot more complex
ogra, well... I can took off the PRINTER_0_TYPE parameter (on 7.10 this was working) but I don't know if it will solve this issue... do you have an ubuntu install on anybox close to you?
maginot, first thing i'd check would be if /dev/lp0 actually exists, boot with SCREEN_02=shell, SCREEN_07=ldm
I think that sending an echo to /dev/lp0 if all is right it should print ...
and check in the shell
yes, Im going to check this now... maybe something changin in the device address ... lets see
PRINTER_0_TYPE is just ignored (it was on 7.10 as well, jetpipe never used it)
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ogra, so... echo "test" > /dev/lp0 work... printing with echo "test" | lp -d printer_name return an error that printer my be disconected (but this on cups gui applet, on shell nothing is returned)... I notice that I dont have lpr on chroot, I can install it, but together there are a lot of packages
is jetpipe running ?
you shouldnt install anything in the chroot, the installed packages should completely suffice to get you a printer on a thin client session
if echo "test" > /dev/lp0 prints something your driver, the kernel and the rest of the low level is fine
ogra, I thought that too.. I remember from a previously installation that lpr was on chroot, now I dont know why is missing... and I can print to my HP network printers with no problem, so I suppose the problem is on chroot
jetpipe just does the same, it forwards all data recieving on 9100 to /dev/lp0 directly
thats identical to echo "test" > /dev/lp0 ...
I thought it was using lpr to print in the client ...
it just forwards the binary data
kiwi doesnt seem to like it that the dhcp server is on an other server then the tftp/ltsp server
ogra, Hmmm what should I do then? something is happening in the middle way, from the client I can print sending data direct to the device, but I cant print if I try to use lp, or from the server...
Drakonen, #kiwi-ltsp might be of help, kiwi doesnt use the standard ltsp setup
ah, i see
Drakonen, afaik you need some very kiwi specific commands to set it up
and what Im thinking odd is the fact that I have 3 hp network printers that I print from clients and are installed in the server using jetdirect too
ogra, hi there, just one "kiwi-ltsp-setup" :)
cyberorg, with a lot of changes to a config file, no ?
config file is filled up with auto detected values, it can be customized of course if requried
Im thinking about backing up /opt/ltsp and then install lpr on chroot to see what happen... if nothing good happen I cant just mv back the backup
ogra, don't resist trying out live DVD :D
ogra, you will like what we have done, i promise :)
cyberorg, please stop nagging me about it, i dont have time for this
is anyone here in the channel with an untouched ubuntu 8.10 ltsp install ? (like with an untouched chroot)
i havent even been able to test ubuntus ltsp since the beginning of intrepid
ogra, it's not just you, i keep pimping it whenever i can ;)
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good morning friends
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Little nudge: Anyone know where/(if) the release notes for the upcoming LTSP Jaunty release are located on the web?
how do I specify other folder them /opt/i386/ltsp to be used to build the image?
I got it
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Hmm pendrives are not mouting =/
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I forgot to add the users to the right groups argh
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hi ... isn't to the client have an 9100 open port ?
hi ... isn't to the client have an 9100 open port ?
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so ... lets see if someone can help me with that. I cant print on printers connected on clients. From client I can "echo 'test' > /dev/lp0' and its printing. From server I cant print in the client.
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maginot: have you configured lts.conf to reflect the printer?
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Lns, yeah, lts.conf have PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0, in the client I have /dev/lp0 printing in the printer (I can test with echo "test" > /dev/lp0) in /etc/group of the client I can see the user logged in the lp group. I think the problem is on the client to receive the request. nmap on the client doesnt show any 9100 open port
maginot, so did you check jetpipe runs (i asked you that this morning)
ogra, Hmm sorry, I have forgot I was just thinking of who was receiving the request, where do I check jetpipe? can I ps to see if it up of must I use lsof ?
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ps ax|grep jetpipe
if is not, any advice of what to do?
well, it should run if PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set and the device you point to in that var is existing
jetpipe. there's a new lp_server ? :)
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this two things I can garantee that are okay. /dev/lp0 prints to the printer and lts.conf is well set ... I will go to the client know to see what up there
loather, thats the old one that wasnt licensed, someone took over upstream
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loather, jetpipe only exists because the old one wasnt distributable
ah. well, it's not like the protocol is terribly difficult or anything -- glad we've got one that's "ours" now :)
well, that app is only doing 9100 -> /dev/lp0 essentially anyway :)
yeah. if you want bidirectional stuff it's a bit more complex, but as the main use case is sending preformatted output straight to a printer ...
ogra, before I go test, just answer me this, isnt to the client have a 9100 open port ?
the first implementation until gadi added support for serial printers was 50 lines of python code ... 30 of them were the gpl license snippet
haha, sounds about right :)
i implemented it in less than 1h
stupid gpl license bloating our software... =p
maginot, yes, if you see jetpipe running there should be a jetdirect port open
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ogra, well, this I can tell you that isnt happening, nmap localhost in the client shell didnt show any 9100 port, nothing on lsof or netstat too
check if jetpipe is running ...
you said its 8.10, right ?
gadi touched the code after me, he might have more info
i know there were packaging issues with the initial 8.04 release
sorry for havent check jetpipe yet, but Im trying to see any posibility before going to the client (its not at my site)
but 8.10 should just work
okay, I will go now to see that.
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ogra, now I know what is happening. And why is so odd. jetpipe isnt running, when trying to execute it I receive a fatal error when trying to load serial module (module not found) and this is happening cause my Kernel was customized and like I havent any serial device running I took off serial support. =)
people and their pesky customizations
aff I try ;)
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hahaha...and you wonder why things break when you stray from the path.. ;)
follow the yellow brick road
I hate the but
I cant find a serial modules, and those inside char of kernel are all selected... and I was just thinking, if the module serial is required by client, so Its the client chroot that is missing the serial module
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mabe ltsp-update-kernel could solve this?
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sounds like you simply need to compile your kernel with serial support, either built in or as a module...
maginot: are you modifying your chroot kernel or the server kernel?
vagrantc, Im checking in menuconfig but seens to be there already, for what I reading here http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-16.html
Lns, I only changed the server kernel ...
that shouldn't affect it at all, then.
thats why I said about ltsp-update-kernels .. I dont know what to do... jetpipe isnt running on the client, when I try to run to see what output it shows me Fatal error, module serial no found
I can only think about getting serial module in the chroot... well, strange.
maginot: would it be out of the question to simply rebuild your chroot?
Lns, I though about that sooner this afternoon... I did some changes, like firefox and evince local, but this I could do again. Maybe worth a try
maginot: you can always revert to your old one
yeah, I will keep a copy
whats the time where you are?
(Lns, vagrantc ^ =D)
Hmmm that why most times you guys only show up late afternoon here
good to know
timezone, that is
guys, thanks for the help, sorry if I bother anyone... tomorrow I will rebuild the chroot and see if it helps. cya
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hi everyone got a question, we have student and offcourse teachers, we have a classroom 1A with 3 terminals for the students, ist it possible to let the 3 terminals log in as the same user and use the same home directory ? or do we have to give it 3 different logins, ifso how can we maken it so that it points to the same Home dir, namely 1A
Guest60212: 3 different logins, different home dirs.
no possiblity to let them put their files under 1 global 1A home dir ?
not a home dir, but another dir that they all have write access to
Guest60212: you mean home dir or a "documents folder" ?
things like firefox and gnome maintain information about running processes, so you can't have multiple people using the same home dir.
As vagrantc said, it's easy to have a shortcut on their desktops that points to a common directory.
You may even use a common Desktop or Documents directory, but why?
kids have to save their work under the class document folder
1A and the teacher can look into it
and also put things in it
In my 1st grade (12 y.o.) I just have a common directory on their desktops, and that suffices.
ok tx :)
When I want to send them things, I put them in this folder
When I want to look at their documents, I go to their documents (different account for each student)
and so you made it so that they cant browse with nautilus to the home directories created for the users
I didn't have to do anything, this is by default so.
we are testing ltsp now for the first time and i have to say its wonderfulle really :)
Installing once for all PCs and navigating to the whole lab in the same hard disk is really wonderful :)
how you mean you didn't have to do anything is by defautl so ?
I mean that if you create a user, you have read access to his documents
If I *really* need to modify their documents, I "sudo" it.
ok didn't understand :)
we are thinking about using ACL
for the teachers and so on
for access to certain folders
local apps is also very nice
and works like a charme
jesus my english is rusty :)
I don't know about ACL. I didn't find a need for them yet, groups are enough for me.
and what are your experiances with locking the gnome desktop ?
so the kids and offcourse the teachers can temper with things
are you using gconf ?
Well... I tried locking it, and it locks fine, but I don't really need it because it's easy to undo any changes
Lns gave me the tip of using gconf :)
With a single command you may revert the panel changes for all students, so... why locking? :)
whats that command ?
because our kids realy screw up things and also the teacher als always tempering with stuff. we want one nice uniform enviroment
I use: for f in $users; do gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel; done; killall gnome-panel.
I do want my students to experiment so that they're not afraid of PCs.
but teacher complain constantly if something is not familiar with us
I want to make an application with common tasks per user,
we already changed their idea of not able to live without microsoft office
that would enable the teacher to select his class and e.g. reset all the panels with two mouse clicks. That would make it easy...
mm that would be nice indeed
...but I don't know when I'll find the time for it. :(*
also teacher can select then if they have another group of students
like in high schools
what is the command to change my nick here in this channel :)
Yes, move students into different classes (=groups), reset their desktop, create a bunch of new accounts for new students etc.
normaly my nick is yoshi_
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it has been 7 years since i was on irc :)
so i forget things to fast
ok thanks alkisg for all your help and insights :)
we are gonna try out some stuff we learned
Yw, I don't know if any of it will help you, but that's what I use.. :)
tx and greetz from belgium :)
i surely helps
i = it
Goodnight from Greece :)
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I need to tag ltsp-trunk
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hello, looking for the source code so i can compile this on slamd64, is it available?
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MasterShrek: source code for what?
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LTSP5 is build using the host distro's packages, so you'd just have to find a distro that supports the architecture, processor, or whatever.
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what is the best ltsp management software. Ie. something that would allow one manage clients, see their screens, etc.
I did already look a little at Italc but I haven't tried it out yet.
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