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Channel log from 7 December 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:20
<mathesis>
what is server package from debian/unstable?
00:21
what is server debian unstable for ltsp5?
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00:39
<johnny>
lnxnubie, ltsp isn't a centralized authentication solution, it's a centralized desktop solution (for the most part)
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01:16
<sep>
mathesis, your question was hard to understand, but i hope the answer is ltsp-server package?
01:17
<mathesis>
i am remove ltsp-server and installing ltsp-server-standalone
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04:15
<MasterOne>
Damned, just recently I found a link to an edu-something site, which had the recent version of libflashsupport as a .deb package, but I am unable to find that site again. The version from vdbonline.net is over 1 year old, and a recent version is supposed to operate more stable. Anyone seen the site I mean?
04:19
<sep>
libflash ?
04:20
you dont mean flashplugin-nonfree ?
04:21
<MasterOne>
sep, libflashsupport is a lib you need to get audio working with flash-nonfree (at least in latest 7.10 *ubuntu versions)
04:21
same is for Edubuntu Gutsy LTSP5 server
04:22
I just don't remember, where I found that link to the mentioned download site
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04:46
<ogra>
MasterOne, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ ?
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05:04
<MasterOne>
ogra, there is only the link to that old version
05:05
found it again :)
05:05
rercola.acm.jhu.edu/packages/libflashsupport
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06:56
<Joris_>
I have something strange
06:56
in.tftpd[30024]: RRQ from 192.168.0.152 filename /ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.0\377
06:56
in.tftpd[30024]: sending NAK (1, File not found) to 192.168.0.152
06:56
some pxe cards have this problem
06:57
most don't
06:57
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07:00
<mhterres>
hey guys
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07:00
<mhterres>
sbalneav, are you there ?
07:00
:-)
07:01
I have a suggestion to LTSP 5
07:02
a little on
07:02
one
07:04
<vaisarger>
ogra: I studied LTSPClientShutdownReboot... compliments for clever way... but, isn't there a multi-client problem?
07:05
<ogra>
indeed, the fif would need to be named ...
07:05
*fifo
07:05
<vaisarger>
yes
07:07
and... are you thinking about a frontend to "echo shutdown 1> ${HOME}./ltsp_socket" ?
07:07
<ogra>
indeed i do
07:08
but tak to Gadi, he suggested to rather use xatoms via the ssh tunnel (i didnt talk furher to him about that) instead of havinf a fifo
07:08
*having
07:09
<vaisarger>
For ltsp project, do you prefere a "gtk" frontend or is it ok also, e.g, xmessage?
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07:12
<ogra>
for ubuntu i perfer a proper integration with the desktop (patches to the logout dialogs of gnome and kde)
07:12
for upstream probably zenity or qtdialog would be good, no idea
07:13
<vaisarger>
Acknowledge
07:14
may you explain a little "xatoms way", because I don't know about it...
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07:19
<daduke>
ogra: I get the 'failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied' message, but I cannot add the users to the fuse group (LDAP etc) - I found a workaround once, but cannot recall. Can you remember?
07:21
ogra: it's not chmod o+rw /dev/fuse, that doesn't do it.
07:22
<ogra>
vaisarger, see http://ltspthinclient.blogspot.com/2007/11/local-apps-2-next-morning.html, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ltsp-localapps and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ltsp/+spec/ltsp-localapps
07:23
<vaisarger>
ok... a moment please...
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07:31
<vaisarger>
ogra: but those links you gave me are about xatoms ?
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07:32
<ogra>
about the localapps implementation we will use at some point, pieces of it are implemented in xatoms ... read the docs (and code) :)
07:33
<jammcq>
g'morning friends
07:33
<vaisarger>
good morning
07:34
<ogra>
hey jammcq
07:35
<vaisarger>
ok... ltsp is "like chinese boxes"...phieww. So "fifo way" is deprecated?
07:41
<ogra>
fifo way is a wrokaround for the time where we dont have localapps yet
07:47
<vaisarger>
last question: in ltsp philosophy, what does it mean "chroot"? It's about client or server?
07:47
<ogra>
chroot is the filsesystem thats used by the client
07:47
its usually the systemroot under /opt/ltsp/i386
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07:48
<vaisarger>
Understood. Well... in few days I go oh holiday, and I decided to not bring with me any PCs
07:48
*on
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07:51
<vaisarger>
I think I will not so "useful" to lts project until next year, even if it's an attractive challenge
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07:54
<ogra>
well, print out the docs and learn about it during your holiday ;)
07:56
<vaisarger>
Eh, eh :) ... well... happy Christmas holidays to everybody... See you new year!
07:58
<ogra>
see you
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08:38
<fgiraldeau>
hi johnny
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09:24
<fgiraldeau>
johnny: I did updated the bug report about the bad behavior I encountered yesterday
09:24
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/174585
09:24
<daduke>
ogra: do you have some minutes?
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11:23
<cliebow__>
¸.·´¯`·.¸ ><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸ rock'n roll ¸.·´¯`·.¸ <º))))>< ¸.·´¯`·.¸
11:24
<sutula>
cliebow__: A bit bored today, are we?
11:25
<johnny>
ogra, have you been familiar with virtualbox yourself?
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12:14
<mathesis>
hola vagrantc
12:14
<vagrantc>
buenos tardes
12:15
er
12:15
buenas tardes
12:15
er ...
12:15* vagrantc forgets
12:16
<mathesis>
vagrantc, hay una imagen etherboot que sirve para todas las tarjetas de red
12:16
de un tal peter
12:18
<vagrantc>
!bootfloppy
12:18
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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12:19
<vagrantc>
mathesis: tengo un proyecto tambien: bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/netbootcd/
12:20
mathesis: pero, solo imagenes de floppy o CD
12:20
<mathesis>
ok
12:20
voy a ver
12:24
<fgiraldeau>
vagrantc: hi
12:24
Hope that you're fine
12:24
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: alright
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12:25
<fgiraldeau>
I would like to know if it's a feature, in ltspfs, that local harddisks are available?
12:25
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: yes, local hard-disks are made available.
12:25
fgiraldeau: there is a request to make that optional ...
12:25
<mathesis>
vagrantc, no hay nada en tu netbootcd
12:26
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: http://bugs.debian.org/432024
12:26
<fgiraldeau>
Ok, I look at it
12:26
<vagrantc>
mathesis: necesita usar "bzr"
12:26
<fgiraldeau>
vagrantc: I tried something a bit wired and discovered a bug I think
12:27
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/174703
12:27
<johnny>
yes..optional would be awesome
12:27
because i like it for some
12:27
and not others
12:27
on the public terminals it would be possibly useful
12:27
<mathesis>
vagrantc, its boot with cd
12:28
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: i'm wondering if the device is maybe reporting a name with a space in it or something like that?
12:29
<mathesis>
bzr: ERROR: Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar Branch Format 6 (bzr 0.15)\n'
12:29
<vagrantc>
mathesis: lo siento ... necesita usar bzr 0.15+
12:30
mathesis: voy a subir a pastebot
12:30
<fgiraldeau>
vagrantc: doesn't seems to. There is a file with env from booth add_fstab_entry that shows the variables
12:30
<mathesis>
ok
12:31
<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "makenetbootcd" (142 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/384
12:31
<fgiraldeau>
vagrantc: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10786682/env_add_fstab_entry.txt
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12:32
<vagrantc>
Gadi: do you still use ltspfs with rdesktop and such?
12:32
<Gadi>
vagrantc: yeah, I actually got that going this past week again in ltsp5
12:32
with a little more hackery than inthe past ;)
12:32
<vagrantc>
Gadi: ah good. i mentioned that recently in a discussion with ogra
12:33
<Gadi>
I was emailing with a guy who was gonna work on it and then gave up and used autofs
12:33
but, I am partial to our own brew
12:33
:)
12:33
even if it does have a million layers of security reqs
12:33
;)
12:34
<vagrantc>
http://bugs.debian.org/454478
12:34
<Gadi>
glad to know my pocket-porn is safe
12:35
<mcfloppy_>
cliebow_ are u here?
12:36
<Gadi>
vagrantc: that's a lot of reading
12:36
:)
12:36
<fgiraldeau>
vagrantc: gosh, ltspfs code is not the same in gutsy... I will look at debian-edu sources.
12:36
<vagrantc>
Gadi: should we make a readers digest version?
12:36
<Gadi>
prolly
12:37
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: debian-edu's ltspfs is very old
12:37
<Gadi>
I have taken to running some sessions on *my* TCOS as user rather than root, so I needed some additional hackery to get udev+ltspfs stuff going
12:37
<vagrantc>
that would jsut be the tv-ication of bug reports
12:38
<Gadi>
but, once you understand all the tokens and such, it becomes straightforward
12:38
<mathesis>
vagrantc, i back
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12:38
<vagrantc>
Gadi: your TCOS ?
12:38
<Gadi>
vagrantc: I add on to the LTSP chrrot a bunch these days
12:38
er, chroot
12:39
I pack it full of all sorts of fun things
12:39
:)
12:39* vagrantc holds the use of the word traitor for another time
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12:39
<Gadi>
nah
12:39
I build off the base
12:39
but not all my users want to conect to a Linux server
12:39
<vagrantc>
actually, i think tcos does some good stuff
12:39
<Gadi>
:)
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12:41
<Gadi>
btw, vagrantc, while I have you, was the symlink betw /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts done for debian or ubuntu?
12:41
we are gonna want to get rid of that, if we can
12:42
not sure why ltsp-build-client sets that up
12:42
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i forget what even does it
12:42
<Gadi>
its in ltsp-build-client
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12:42
<Gadi>
but, I'm not sure why
12:42
it causes some things to break - I guess most devs aren't expecting it
12:44
<janet>
newb network question. I have all of my thin clients on 10.0.0.x they can all access the net just fine. I have a client that needs a windows box as well and if she is assigned a network address of 10.0.0.x she can't see the internet or ping the gateway 192.168.0.1 what do i need to change in my dhcp server to make her able to get out to the net but be in the 10.0.0.x network?
12:44
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i think it is because /etc/mtab needs to be writeable unless it's symlinked to /proc/mounts
12:45
Gadi: though i don't remember what all is affected by it
12:45
<Gadi>
vagrantc: with unionfs, I guess that req goes away
12:45
<vagrantc>
Gadi: for configurations using unionfs
12:46
<janet>
i'm sure it's something simple... well i'm hoping it is anyway...
12:46
<Gadi>
janet: You need to setup NAT on your server, and tell the thin client to use the server as the gateway
12:46
<vagrantc>
Gadi: doesn't sound like fedora will use it, and it'll take a bit of work for debian to do so
12:46
<Gadi>
vagrantc: ah, yes
12:46* Gadi recalls that
12:47
<janet>
Gadi, the thin clients can access the internet just fine. it's the windows client that is assigned a 10.0.0.x ip that can't
12:47
<Gadi>
perhaps a bind-mount instead then would be better
12:47
<janet>
i'm on a thin client new
12:47
<Gadi>
janet: right, but the thin clients' web browser is actually running on the server
12:47
janet: your Windows box is another level removed
12:48
you need to do the following:
12:48
1. in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf set option routers <IP-of-LTSP-box>
12:48
2. restart dhcp on LTSP
12:48
<vagrantc>
Gadi: bind-mounting /etc/mtab doesn't really work, because then mount expects /etc to be writeable
12:48
Gadi: and tries to write /etc/mtab~
12:49
<Gadi>
3. on LTSP server, echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
12:49
(actually do that as root)
12:49
4. (also as root) iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE -o eth1
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5. (as root) iptables-save
12:50
<janet>
Gadi, in step 1 do i put the 10.0.0.x address of the server?
12:50
<cliebow__>
sutula:heh..i got a bonus check from my boating job...seemed appropriate..
12:50
<Gadi>
6. (as root) edit /etc/sysctl.conf and set ipv4/ip_forward = 1
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12:50
<Gadi>
janet: yes, the th0 address
12:50
er, eth0
12:50
<sutula>
cliebow__: I was wondering whether it was a "happy dance" :) ...well, good for you!
12:50
<Gadi>
once you get all that setup, reboot the Windows box
12:51
vagrantc: gotcha
12:51
vagrantc: well, one thing that breaks is sshfs
12:51
for our LOCAL_APP idea
12:51
<vagrantc>
:(
12:52
<Gadi>
so, we should find a solution
12:52
<vagrantc>
indeed
12:52* vagrantc really liked the simplicity of the latest LOCAL_APP ideas
12:52
<Gadi>
also, maybe ltspfs - I forget
12:52
(ie when it runs locally)
12:53
<janet>
thx Gadi trying it now.
12:53
<Gadi>
janet: np
12:53
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i'm sure ogra will happily remove the plugin that does the symlink for ubuntu
12:53
<Gadi>
some of those steps were to make it come up again on reboot
12:53
vagrantc: thats ok - that's why its OSS
12:53
:)
12:53
<ogra>
i think there was another reason we dont have it
12:53
(the mounted mtab)
12:54* ogra checks
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<ogra>
ah, right, we can chaneg that ... it was originally started by an initscript that also mounts tons of other filesystems (l-r-m for example)
12:55
*change
12:56
now it has an mtab.sh initscript on its own ... and apparently only tmpfs'es that dont eat ram in there
12:56
<janet>
Gadi, do i need to restart any services on server after i add line to /etc/sysctl.conf?
12:59
Gadi, i am able to now ping 192.168.0.3 (server eth0) but not 192.168.0.1 (gateway)
13:01
<ltsppbot>
"janet" pasted "Gadi, here is my dhcpd.conf" (22 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/385
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<janet>
eth0 on server 192.168.0.3 eth1 = 10.0.0.1
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gateway is 192.168.0.1
13:03
client ip is 10.0.0.248
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13:05* ogra has a properly running libflashsupport that uses tls :)
13:05* ogra dances
13:07
<Gadi>
janet: somethings backwards
13:07
janet: do your thin clients boot from eth1?
13:07
looks like they do
13:07
<janet>
yes
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<Gadi>
so, cahnge option router to the 10.0.0x eth1 address
13:07
er, 10.0.01
13:07
er, you know what I mean
13:08
<cliebow__>
i dp
13:08
or do
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<Gadi>
then, we have to change some other things
13:08
retype that iptables command I gave you, but do -D instead of -A
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then, do another -A one but with -o eth0
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instead of -o eth1
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(I was going under the assumption that eth0 was thin client subnet)
13:09
also, when you make the change to dhcpd.conf, restart dhcp
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and once iptables works, do another: iptables-save
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<janet>
ok trying now
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<janet>
yay gadi's a genius!
13:12
<Gadi>
nah, just a plumber
13:13
<mcfloppy_>
cliebow_ you have n2200 or?
13:13
<cliebow__>
yep..piles of em
13:14
<mcfloppy_>
have u a ltsp 4.1 running?
13:14* cliebow__ cliebow hides face in shame
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<cliebow__>
yes
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<mcfloppy_>
can you give me the tarball?
13:14
<cliebow__>
sure..just a sec
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<mcfloppy_>
i dont found it in the www
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<cliebow__>
169.244.3.137/i386.4.1.tar.gz
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http://
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did you read the wiki?
13:17
<mcfloppy_>
105 mb?
13:17
<cliebow__>
ummm
13:17
<mcfloppy_>
partially
13:18
<cliebow__>
yes about
13:18
<mcfloppy_>
why do you ask?
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<cliebow__>
they are fluky..becasue the kernel must reside at the root of the chroot
13:19
you using gutsy..or ubuntu?
13:19
<mcfloppy_>
debian etch
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<cliebow__>
the filesystem needs to go somewhere below the tftp chroot
13:20
<mcfloppy_>
i know
13:21
cliebow_ are the n2200 fast?
13:21
at the moment i load the linux2200 with pxe into the netvistas and then i run a X -query server...
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<cliebow__>
not bad really..for a 200 meg client
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host netvista1{
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hardware ethernet 00:60:94:2a:89:fe;
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fixed-address 192.168.0.19;
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filename "/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1/vmlinux-2.4.19-LTSP-IBMNC";
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option root-path "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/i386.4.1";
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<mcfloppy_>
with this setup you cant work. the mouse bucking and so on
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<cliebow__>
never any mouse bucking here...the video card can be flaky
13:24
<mcfloppy_>
hmmm
13:24
but what is the difference? ltsp 4.1 also uses xdmcp, or?
13:24
<cliebow__>
xdmcp
13:25
<mcfloppy_>
what?
13:25
<cliebow__>
uses xdmcp..
13:26
<mcfloppy_>
ok... but why is the ltsp4.1 faster then the linux2200 version?
13:27
<cliebow__>
i never tried linuxbios..
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<mcfloppy_>
cliebow_ can i simply untar the tarball in the tftpboot and config the n2200 clients seperate in dhcpd.conf?
13:29
cause i run also a ltsp 5.0
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<cliebow__>
yes...i think there is a kernel there..
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<cliebow__>
ogra:shouldnt be asny diff between a 2.6.14-22-powerpc built on a g3 from a g4??
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav, ogra, warren, jammcq: i was debating weather the screen.d and ldm/rc.d scripts should be shipped with the packages that they're geared towards, or the package that they're written for
14:22
i.e. screen.d/ldm should maybe be a part of the ldm package rather than the ltsp-client* package(s)
14:22
<ogra>
right
14:22
ldm/rc.d might get a bit trickier ...
14:22
<vagrantc>
ldm/rc.d/S10-delayed-mounter should actually be in ltspfs
14:22
<ogra>
there will surely be scripts that apply generally
14:23
<vagrantc>
actually, all the current ldm/rc.d scripts seem like they belong in ltspfs
14:23
<ogra>
i agree about delayed-mounter (even thogh scott had a dynamic solution iirc)
14:23
<vagrantc>
it just seems like if the required software isn't included, then best not have the script installed at all..
14:23
<ogra>
i had one to disable compiz during gutsy develoment for example
14:24
<vagrantc>
sure
14:24
<ogra>
if people want to use my fifo approach in gutsy for client sutdown these scripts would go there
14:24
so i think we'll always have some that wont fit anywhere
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<vagrantc>
i'm not saying to relocate the scripts or their functionality, merely which package actually installs them
14:25
<ogra>
right, i'm just wondering what to do with the ones we cant categorize
14:25
<vagrantc>
leave them where they are :)
14:25
<ogra>
hmm
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<vagrantc>
like, the startx/xdmcp screen.d script (which i know is your favorite) is really part of ltsp ... though the ldm *might* make more sense in the ldm package ...
14:26
<ogra>
it does ...
14:27
as long as we have the ltsp-client/-core split thats fine
14:27
<vagrantc>
well, i always had the philosophy that ltsp-client-core contained all the shipped code
14:28
<ogra>
i mean because of the deps :)
14:28
<vagrantc>
it's just which pieces get activated
14:28
<ogra>
as long as i can depend on ldm they can be where they want ...
14:28
<vagrantc>
:)
14:31
<ogra>
sigh, oh how i hate autofoo
14:32
<vagrantc>
what's bringing on the hate now?
14:32
<ogra>
libflashsupport
14:33
packaging up the git stuff means auto$%/& involved
14:33
<johnny>
poor autotfoo..so much hate
14:34
<ogra>
HA !
14:34* ogra thwaps autoconf over the head
14:34
<ogra>
got it :)
14:34
<vagrantc>
ogra: can i just push a branch to launchpad?
14:34
ogra: a new branch
14:34
or is there some other creation process involved?
14:35
<ogra>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto "Pushing the first version"
14:36
bzr+ssh://$USER@bazaar.launchpad.net/~$TEAM/$PRODUCT/$BRANCHNAME
14:36
if its your own branch TEAM=$USER
14:37
<vagrantc>
ogra: thanks
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<vagrantc>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltspfs-trunk
14:38
<ogra>
thats the new upstream code with all fixes ?
14:39
or just a copy of the one from scott ?
14:39
<vagrantc>
it's the branch from sbalneav + some fixes
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<vagrantc>
i didn't merge the single-mount stuff, since it seemed like there may be outstanding issues
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<ogra>
...
14:40
<mathesis>
vagrantc, hi
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<vagrantc>
ogra: ... what?
14:41
<mathesis>
no sirven mi unidad 3 1/2 "floppy"
14:41
<ogra>
single-mount :)
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<mathesis>
pero la maquina tiene soporta pxe
14:41
<ogra>
hmm
14:41
scott really needs to get more noisy in his entries
14:42
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, i think the single-mount stuff is still better than what we've been doing... but i'm not going to commit them to the upstream branch without more consensus on the matter
14:42
ogra: changelog entries?
14:42
<ogra>
yeah
14:44
<vagrantc>
otavio: i'm debating weather we should make a new upload of ldm (as a separate source package) to experimental or unstable ... since it will conflict with the current ltsp packages ... but if i upload ltsp without ldm, then ltsp will be broken ...
14:45
otavio: the other ugly option is to call the package names ldm2, and provide/conflict with ldm
14:46
<ogra>
cant you just make a full upload f everything
14:46
?
14:46
*of
14:46
thats what i did
14:46
<vagrantc>
ogra: ldm will get stuck in the NEW queue
14:46
<ogra>
meh
14:46
<vagrantc>
indeed.
14:46
<ogra>
how long does NEW take in debian ?
14:46
<vagrantc>
1-4 weeks, usually
14:46
<ogra>
ubuntu has a max time of two days ...
14:47
<mcfloppy_>
back
14:47
<ogra>
wow
14:47
<vagrantc>
it's painful
14:47
<ogra>
yeah
14:47
<cliebow__>
mcfloppy_, is it painful?
14:47
<mcfloppy_>
cliebow_ the client run now with 4.1, but it is also so slow
14:47
damnit
14:47
<ogra>
well, we have rotating archive admins every second day ...
14:47
<mcfloppy_>
the 233mhz dell optiplex are much faster
14:48
and icant screw up to 1024x768
14:48
<vagrantc>
looks like nothing is much over a week at the moment ... so it's either recently been processed, or their doing relatively well
14:49
<mcfloppy_>
cliebow_ how much ram have your n2200?
14:50
<vagrantc>
ogra: that's another reason why i'm resistant to adding ltspfsd-core ... though the main reason is i'm still not convinced it's really needed.
14:50
<mathesis>
how can i allow boot wint PXE in dhcpd.conf
14:51
<ogra>
vagrantc, we can have "ldm | whatevermariobuilds" in ltspfsd once he's done the split just makes it easier for devs
14:51
<vagrantc>
mathesis: paste your dhcpd.conf to the pastebot
14:51
!pastebot
14:51
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
14:52
<vagrantc>
ogra: i'm perfectly happy with ltsp-client depending on both ltspfs and ldm
14:52
<cliebow__>
mcfloppy_, 32 8~)
14:52
someare128
14:53
<vagrantc>
ogra: the only main reason i see for the split is the udev rules issues
14:53
which may in the end convince me ...
14:53
<ogra>
well, you make sure they are in nobodys way this way
14:54
<mcfloppy_>
cliebow_ hmm i have 288mb
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<mcfloppy_>
but what is the bottleneck?
14:54
<ogra>
if you want to use ltspfsd in a local loop or other werd stuff i bet that helps
14:54
<vagrantc>
maybe
14:55
<fgiraldeau>
vagrantc: I tried to add the ATTRS{removable}=="1" to udev rule to prevent static hard drives to be loaded, and it doesn't seems to brake cdrom
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<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: sure. but it would be nice if it were a configuration option for lts.conf instead
14:56
<fgiraldeau>
I worked well. What was the behavior you got?
14:56
<vagrantc>
haven't tried it for a long time
14:56
<mcfloppy_>
what clients work with ltsp 5.0, are cheap and slient?
14:56
<fgiraldeau>
Yeah, I understand... Because udev rules can't load such variables, so we have to do it the add_fstab_entry script...
14:57
<vagrantc>
fgiraldeau: we could probably pass the ATTRS{removable} values into the *fstab_entry scripts
14:57
<fgiraldeau>
yes, I will look to this side.
14:58
<ltsppbot>
"mathesis" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (31 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/386
15:01
<vagrantc>
mathesis: ip de servidor es 192.168.0.1 ?
15:02
<mathesis>
si
15:02
eth1 : 192.168.0.1
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<cliebow__>
see y'all from home
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<mathesis>
i have 2 dhcpd.conf
15:05
/etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf and /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
15:05
<vagrantc>
mathesis: if there's no "include" line in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ... then it only reads that one.
15:05
mathesis: which did you paste?
15:06
<mathesis>
i want boot with PXE
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: entiendo, pero ... cual archivo es http://pastebot.ltsp.org/386 .... /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf o /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ?
15:07
<mathesis>
/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: grep include /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
15:10
<mathesis>
agrego include /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf en /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
15:10
¿?
15:10
<vagrantc>
mathesis: echo include '"/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf"' >> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ; invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
15:11
<ogra>
vagrantc, never do that on an ubuntu :)
15:11
<vagrantc>
ogra: mathesis they're not on ubuntu
15:11
<mathesis>
i have debian etch
15:11
<ogra>
vagrantc, just wanted to point that out
15:11
<vagrantc>
ogra: well aware
15:12
<ogra>
i grokked he wasnt on ubuntu :)
15:12
<mathesis>
invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "restart" failed.
15:12
<ogra>
i think the host declaration should sit inside the subnet
15:12
<vagrantc>
mathesis: ve /var/log/syslog
15:12
ogra: maybe so ...
15:12
or just be removed
15:13
<ogra>
well, just move the bracket and test :)
15:13
<ltsppbot>
"mathesis" pasted "invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/387
15:13
<vagrantc>
mathesis: entiende que ogra dice ?
15:14
<ogra>
woah ... cdbs automatically removes .la files :)
15:14* ogra didnt know that
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<ltsppbot>
"mathesis" pasted "tail /var/log/syslog" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/388
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: hay muchos problemas.
15:16
mathesis: paste /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
15:18
<mathesis>
ok
15:20
<ltsppbot>
"mathesis" pasted "/etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/389
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: no necesita la linea de: include
15:23
<mathesis>
ok
15:24
<vagrantc>
otra vez: invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
15:25
<mathesis>
ok
15:25
ya se reinicio correctamente
15:25
<vagrantc>
mathesis: ahora ...
15:25
bueno
15:25
<mcfloppy_>
hmmm
15:25
what clients work with ltsp 5.0, are cheap and slient?
15:25
:)
15:25
again...
15:26
<mathesis>
vagrantc, ahora yo quiero boot con PXE
15:26* vagrantc gets free computers, but doesn't know about "slient"
15:26
<vagrantc>
mathesis: si ...
15:26
mathesis: olvida /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ...
15:27
<mathesis>
ok
15:27
solo trabajo con /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf :) !!! ¿verdad?
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<vagrantc>
si
15:28
<mcfloppy_>
vagrantc i mean fanless
15:28
<vagrantc>
mcfloppy_: i think you meant silent :P
15:28
<ltsppbot>
"mathesis" pasted "tail /var/log/syslog" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/390
15:29
"vagrantc" pasted "dhcpd.conf solo con PXE" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/391
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<mcfloppy_>
vagrantc its up to you ;)
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<mcfloppy_>
but i want noiseless clients ;)
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: trata la nuevo configuracion
15:31
mathesis: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/391
15:32
mathesis: regresso en un momento
15:32
<ltsppbot>
"mathesis" pasted "cliente ltsp" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/392
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: necesita un nuevo vercion de PXE ...
15:37
mathesis: para la tarjeta
15:37
<mathesis>
upgradear bios?
15:38
<vagrantc>
si
15:38
<mathesis>
your bootcd?
15:38
<vagrantc>
es possible
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<mathesis>
how can i use bootcd?
15:39
<vagrantc>
mathesis: makenetbootcd creates a cd image ... you burn it to a CD ... and boot with the CD
15:39
<mathesis>
where i can download ?
15:41
<vagrantc>
http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/ebmulti.iso
15:41
<mathesis>
wow
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<mathesis>
vagrantc, para bootcd == la configuracion que floppyboot
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: ?
15:58
<mathesis>
vagrantc, como puedo correr qemu+ltsp5
15:59
<vagrantc>
mathesis: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/qemu-ltsp
16:00
it's possible to do a more complete emulation, but that tests the basics
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<lns>
wassup all
16:30
Is there a grub boot option in Ubuntu/Edubuntu Gutsy to boot the server kernel directly? I need this for correct hardware detection for my Proliant servers...
16:31
<vagrantc>
lns: maybe ask in #edubuntu/#ubuntu ?
16:32
<lns>
well, i guess it doesn't matter that they're ltsp servers... ;) ok
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<mathesis>
zodman, yo run qemu client under lstp?
17:20
*you
17:20* vagrantc runs qemu clients under ltsp
17:21
<vagrantc>
though i'd say virtualbox is easier
17:22
<mathesis>
vagrantc, how can i configure eth0, for rus qemu client under ltsp?
17:22
<vagrantc>
mathesis: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/qemu-ltsp
17:24
mathesis: though, that doesn't actually test dhcp and tftp
17:24
mathesis: if you want to test dhcp and tftp and such, it's moderately complicated
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<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "/etc/network/interfaces for qemu tun/tap setup" (15 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/393
17:27
<vagrantc>
mathesis: you'll have to change "vagrant" to your username, and set the ip address for your server
17:28
mathesis: this is on debian etch?
17:28
<mathesis>
yes
17:28
i have debian etch
17:28
<vagrantc>
mathesis: you can use the ebmulti.iso image to boot it ...
17:29
<mathesis>
yes
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<vagrantc>
qemu -cdrom ebmulti.iso -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0,script=/bin/true
17:30
mathesis: you'll also have to configure dhcpd.conf to listen on ltspbr0
17:31
oops
17:31
qemu -cdrom ebmulti.iso -net nic -net tap,ifname=ltsp0,script=/bin/true
17:32
<mathesis>
no i have configure dhcpd.conf to lisnten en ltspbro
17:32
<vagrantc>
ltspbr0
17:33
<zodman>
im boot ltsp client with interface bridge
17:33
brctl
17:33
<vagrantc>
yes, this uses brctl too
17:33
<mathesis>
dhbrctl addbr br0
17:34
configure in dhcpd.conf ltspbr0
17:34
<vagrantc>
mathesis: in /etc/default/dhcp3-server
17:35
mathesis: i would recommend to start out, use a different network for it
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: but it is much simpler to just use the qemu-ltsp script
17:40
<mathesis>
se queda bloqueado
17:43
vagrantc, http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazowi4.png
17:45
<vagrantc>
mathesis: configurar dhcpd.conf solo con PXE ?
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/391
17:51
<mathesis>
asi lo tengo
17:52
<vagrantc>
grep nfs /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
17:53
<mathesis>
DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp
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<vagrantc>
mathesis: ah, si.
18:02
mathesis: --rootdev=/dev/nfs
18:02
mathesis: qemu-ltsp --rootdev=/dev/nfs
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<mathesis>
./qemu-ltsp -rootdev=/dev/nfs
18:10
qemu: invalid option -- '-rootdev=/dev/nfs'
18:12
<vagrantc>
./qemu-ltsp --rootdev=/dev/nfs
18:12
con dos '-'
18:13
<mathesis>
./qemu -rootdev /dev/nfs
18:13
<vagrantc>
no
18:13
./qemu-ltsp --rootdev=/dev/nfs
18:14
er
18:14
lo siento ..
18:14
./qemu-ltsp --rootdev /dev/nfs
18:16
<mathesis>
hay un cilco al configurar la eth0
18:18
<vagrantc>
mathesis: cilco ?
18:19
<mathesis>
al configurar la tarjeta de red le da otras ip
18:19
<vagrantc>
no es posible con ltsp ... necesita usar "bridge-utils"
18:20
mathesis: ve http://pastebot.ltsp.org/393 ?
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<mathesis>
http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ciclori1.png
18:22
<vagrantc>
mathesis: ah, si ...
18:22
<zodman>
mathesis: im back
18:22
<vagrantc>
mathesis: en /etc/exports: /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async,insecure,no_subtree_check)
18:22
mathesis: invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server restart
18:23
<mathesis>
ok
18:23
<vagrantc>
yo olvido
18:23
<mathesis>
vagrantc, en /etc/network/interfaces hay que meter las lineas que me pasteaste?
18:24
<vagrantc>
mathesis: no es necesario con "qemu-ltsp"
18:25
<zodman>
mathesis: problem with nfs mount ?
18:25
<vagrantc>
mathesis: se usted quiere un otra via ... es mas dificil
18:25
<mathesis>
cual?
18:25
<vagrantc>
zodman: the qemu-ltsp script uses qemu's userspace networking ... which needs to use higher ports for nfs
18:26
<zodman>
yeap
18:27
<vagrantc>
but is otherwise much simpler to configure
18:27
<zodman>
nfs need liberate permission to moutn with tahta higher ports
18:27
<mathesis>
vagrantc, no te preocupes
18:27
solamente voy a boot con bootcd
18:28
<vagrantc>
mathesis: entonces la via mas dificil ... :)
18:29
<mathesis>
si
18:29
<vagrantc>
mathesis: yo no hablo espanol suficiente para la via mas dificil ...
18:31
mathesis: configurar /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf, y qemu -cdrom ebmulti.iso -net nic -net tap,ifname=ltsp0,script=/bin/true
18:32
mathesis: solo un via ...
18:32
hay mucho
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<zodman>
well im go out
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<mathesis>
vagrantc, i have problem electric
18:41
:(
18:42
<vagrantc>
electricidad?
18:42
<mathesis>
si
18:42
at home
18:43
<vagrantc>
you are somewhere else now
18:43
?
18:44
warren: ok, now i'm a sucker. mkdst in path is great.
18:44
warren: i put it in ~/bin
18:45
<mathesis>
vagrantc, ltsp funciona en VPN?
18:46
<vagrantc>
mathesis: creo que no ...
18:46
mathesis: es posible, pero malo
18:46
funciona malo ?
18:47
<mathesis>
funciona malo? ¿it's questions?
18:48
<vagrantc>
just asking for spanish help :)
19:09
<mathesis>
:)
19:12
<otavio>
vagrantc: upload both
19:12
vagrantc: NEW queue now is much faster
19:12
vagrantc: and unstable is know to be breakable sometimes
19:13
<vagrantc>
otavio: upload both what?
19:13
otavio: oh, both ltsp and ldm ?
19:22
<otavio>
yes
19:22
mathesis: no bein ;-)
19:22
mathesis: badly
19:22
:-)
19:23
<mathesis>
otavio, what is your languaje?
19:24
<vagrantc>
otavio: well, i've got the packages mostly working ... though the still hasn't been a release ... i could just do what ogra did with ubuntu and make a snapshot release from bzr ...
19:24
<otavio>
mathesis: portuguese
19:25
vagrantc: do that
19:25
vagrantc: people on sid is suppose to know how to survive to a breakage ;)
19:25
<vagrantc>
otavio: but i'm excited to no longer treat as a native debian package :)
19:25
<ogra>
++
19:25
<otavio>
vagrantc: yes! finally
19:25
ogra: :-)
19:26* otavio been too busy lately
19:26* ogra curses shlibs ...
19:26
<ogra>
*sigh* i wanted to stop hours ago
19:26
<otavio>
ogra: hehe i know the feeling
19:26
ogra: my gf just went home and then I come here to catch up with e-mails and go to bed.
19:26
<ogra>
i'm so near the end wit that package so i want to see that last bit of success
19:27
<otavio>
ogra: so I'm going to wake up early tomorrow to work
19:27
<ogra>
yeah, i kow what you mean
19:27
<otavio>
ogra: hehe I'm stuck with two blocker issues :-)
19:27
ogra: and both looks to go nowhere
19:27
<ogra>
i'll finish my week's work tomorrow and will fly to spain on sunday to attend a meeting on monday and fly back on tuesday morning
19:27
<otavio>
ogra: so tomorrow is going to be a busy day :-D
19:28
ogra: wow! that's really hot week
19:28
<ogra>
i got such a week once a month in average
19:28
<otavio>
ogra: i still want to get up with my backlog on d-i, apt, splashy and parted
19:29
ogra: have you noticed that dfb 1.0 went sid? it would be nice to ubuntu to move to it sonner then later
19:29
<ogra>
dfb ?
19:29
<otavio>
ogra: it has a lot of important fixed
19:29
ogra: direct frame buffer
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<ogra>
oh you mean d-i-gtk ?
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<otavio>
ogra: that'll be affected too
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<ogra>
i think we have a different way from debian to handle framebuffers ...
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to keep suspend/resume working properly
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<otavio>
ogra: on usplash, there's
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<ogra>
so i'm not sure we will
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<otavio>
ogra: well ubuntu usually do not uses the gtk d-i frontend
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ogra: that's not a big deal to you all
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<ogra>
we'll probaby switch at some point
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<otavio>
ogra: but for us, it's
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<ogra>
the server edition is being pushed a lot recently (now that we have a real server team) i suspect they will want eye candy as well at some point ;)
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<otavio>
probably
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well folks, i'm going bed
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was nice to talk to you all but i'm folling in peaces :-)
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<ogra>
enjoy your evening :)
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<otavio>
(or whatever way is the right spelling for it)
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falling, I think
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<vagrantc>
falling to pieces
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<otavio>
ogra: thanks... enjoy your "tunnel end" :-)
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vagrantc: thanks :-)
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vagrantc: call it a night :-) (I remembered it)
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<vagrantc>
otavio: :)
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<otavio>
good night
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<mathesis>
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!bootcd
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mathesis: Error: "bootcd" is not a valid command.
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!ltspbot bootcd
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!google bootcd
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