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Channel log from 3 August 2012   (all times are UTC)

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09:10
<alkisg>
!flash | echo Hyperbyte:
09:10
<ltsp`>
Hyperbyte: flash: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
09:11
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: this does the same without an external application
09:11
So CPU usage drops from 100% to e.g. 10%
09:11
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, but getting Firefox plugins for all users is a bit of a problem isn't it?
09:12
<alkisg>
True, but I thought you only had a few users
09:12
<Hyperbyte>
I would like some solution that doesn't require me to change user profiles
09:12
I have about ~80
09:12
<alkisg>
Ah, ok then. Well, better clients is the best solution :D
09:12
<Hyperbyte>
Lots of different volunteers at the radio station. :)
09:12
Heheh
09:12
Right
09:12
<alkisg>
Or packaging the addon to a real ubuntu package
09:12
<Hyperbyte>
I'll keep that in mind. :)
09:12
Well this "Minitube" thing looks very promising, but I don't see why it won't work with Pulseaudio
09:13
<alkisg>
Totem also has a "youtube search/playback" mode
09:13
<Hyperbyte>
Try it, it's in the repositories
09:13
Oh?
09:13
<alkisg>
Yeah, since 9.10 or so
09:13
Also consider switching to html5 playback + google chrome
09:14
<Hyperbyte>
Chrome defaults to html5?
09:14
<alkisg>
That's still per user, but you might be able to automate it
09:14
<Hyperbyte>
Meh...
09:14
<alkisg>
I don't think it does
09:14
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
09:14
I'll see about Totem.
09:14
<alkisg>
I don't know if youtube supports defaulting to html5 for e.g. a range of IPs
09:15
<Hyperbyte>
Since we sometimes use YouTube to play music on-air, I'd prefer doing it via a real media player than via web browser anyways.
09:15
<alkisg>
Any other issues?
09:15
<Hyperbyte>
One last question
09:15
I have a few Windows applications which I run via RDP
09:16
Works great and all - but thereĊ› an annoying border (from Windows) around the application, which allows me to close the application and/or move it outside of the desktop
09:16
You don't know of any hack that will let me disable the window border I assume?
09:16
<alkisg>
Do you mean that you launch them in "seamless rdp" mode?
09:16
<Hyperbyte>
I know there's SeamlessRDP, but last time I tried it, it wasn't very stable.
09:17
No, at the moment I'm just launching the whole desktop, with the application maximized
09:17
See VNC
09:18
<alkisg>
So you want to remove the PC2 - magic etc toolbar?
09:18
<Hyperbyte>
Yep.
09:18
<alkisg>
Is it only for this app, or you mean in general?
09:19
<Hyperbyte>
(this is our telephone hybrid control software... if you click "ON AIR" here, and enter your telephone number, you'll be live on the air. :P)
09:19
I'm only running one app per RDP desktop (one virtual machine per application)
09:19
So only for this app or in general, either way is fine
09:19
<alkisg>
Well, one way would be to patch this app to be a real fullscreen app
09:20
Or even to use it instead of the windows login manager
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09:20
<alkisg>
Another method would be to use a seamless rdp solution, I think even xfreevnc supports that now
09:20
Finally, are you sure that this app doesn't run via wine?
09:21
*xfreerdp
09:21
<Hyperbyte>
I don't really wanna go that route... licensing for these things is quite strict... the telephone hybrid mainframe detects how many client connections there are, and where from, etc...
09:22
If there would be one app still running somewhere, it could cause entire programs to derail, and I'd need to do a lot of per-user configuration again
09:22
<alkisg>
Whatever suits you best, but imho it's easier to restrict things on linux than on windows
09:22
<Hyperbyte>
I was actually hoping there was some Windows application that would enable me to launch any application in full screen
09:23
<alkisg>
Sure, there might be
09:23
<Hyperbyte>
Right.
09:23
:)
09:23
Okay, thanks
09:23
Oh maybe one more thing
09:23
Could you run a ps aux on the fat client?
09:23
See if there's something I maybe could get rid of?
09:23
<alkisg>
I haven't really used windows since 2008 though, so...
09:23
OK
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09:28
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: for 512 mb ram, i'd use localapps or lubuntu
09:28
You can disable network manager, inetd and some other services
09:28
<Hyperbyte>
It's running okay though
09:28
But, I have more powerful clients
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09:28
<Hyperbyte>
These are computers for our editors... they do web surfing and openoffice
09:29
<alkisg>
start with those
09:29
(RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES=...)
09:30
<Hyperbyte>
NetworkManager too?
09:30
<alkisg>
Yup
09:30
<Hyperbyte>
<3
09:30
<alkisg>
Unless you're using a VPN from the clients
09:30
<Hyperbyte>
atd can also go right?
09:31
<alkisg>
Yup
09:31
Hyperbyte: cron, not crond
09:31
ls /etc/init*/name* gets you the service name
09:33
<Hyperbyte>
Looks like that's it. :) Useful, saves me some resources.
09:33
Oh, you said acpid as well - doesn't that mess up dpms?
09:34
<alkisg>
Try it, too many things try to handle dpms to be sure...
09:34
<Hyperbyte>
:-)
09:34
Okay
09:34
Well thank you very much. :)
09:34
<alkisg>
np :)
09:34
<Hyperbyte>
I'll give this client a reboot to see the damage. :-D
09:35
<alkisg>
bb!
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09:39
<Hyperbyte>
No more audio! :)
09:39
Isn't dbus required for pulseaudio? ;-)
09:40
<alkisg>
Ah wait it's a fat not a thin... yeah put dbus back :D
09:40
Thins do get audio without dbus :)
09:41
<Hyperbyte>
That could also be why it takes very long to log in? :P
09:41
<alkisg>
No, that's still the humble client :D
09:41
<Hyperbyte>
Nononono! It takes longer than before. :P
09:41
And I can't shut down without DBUS. :-D
09:41
<alkisg>
Logout first..
09:42
<Hyperbyte>
Hehe
09:42
I did ctrl+alt+f1 ctrl+alt+del :-D
09:42
<alkisg>
dbus is needed for quite a few things on fat clients, for a moment I thought it was thin
09:42
<Hyperbyte>
Is there yet a solution to automatically shut down idle clients?
09:42
Like, say, I haven't touched it for two hours, it shuts down?
09:42
<alkisg>
Define idle...
09:43
And what happens if I have an open unsaved document
09:43
?
09:43
<Hyperbyte>
Delete!
09:43
Your own fault. :P
09:43
<alkisg>
Well you can easily write a cron job that runs xprintidle and calls epoptes' endsession script
09:43
That even prompts to save the unsaved files on gnome
09:44
<Hyperbyte>
Okay, so xprintidle can tell me how long a machine has been idle?
09:44
<alkisg>
Yup
09:45
<Hyperbyte>
Useful!
09:45
Yeah, then I can figure out the rest myself. :)
09:47
Thanks again
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12:02
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, does ltsp-pnp or ltsp do anything special with Cups' printers.conf?
12:02
Because I configured my printer in my LTSP server cups, but on the fat client it isn't there.
12:04
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: how do you share your printer? With cups or with lts.conf?
12:05
<Hyperbyte>
It's a network printer. I just need to configure it in cups.
12:09
Basically if LTSP would leave my /etc/cups/ folder alone it'd all be fine
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12:14
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: yeah that ltsp cups meddling got on my nerves too until I discovered the logic behind it
12:14
Anyway, putting CUPS_SERVER=localhost in lts.conf should give you what you need...
12:21
<Hyperbyte>
It's still screwing up my printers.conf
12:21
What if I put CUPS_SERVER=server ?
12:21
Will that make all fat clients use the CUPSD running on the terminal server?
12:23
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: cat /usr/share/ltsp/cleanup.d/50-printers-conf
12:23
That erases your printers.conf, which is a sane thing to do when someone has e.g. usb printers
12:23
For network printers, ltsp-pnp could keep them, if it was sophisticated enough (patches welcome :))
12:26
Hyperbyte: CUPS_SERVER=server is the default for LTSP
12:27
<Hyperbyte>
Well, with CUPS_SERVER=localhost or CUPS_SERVER=server LTSP still doesn't show the printer that works fine on the server
12:28
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: do you publish the printer from the server?
12:28
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm, maybe not.
12:28
<alkisg>
If not, then you need to comment out that 50-printers-conf so that your printers.conf is kept in the chroot
12:28
Or, just share it and use CUPS
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12:36
<Hyperbyte>
Even when sharing is enabled it still doesn't show.
12:36
I'll figure it out though...
12:36
<alkisg>
And is "view published printers" checked on the client?
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12:47
<alkisg>
Meh... this channel is missing some high voltage... :-/
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13:12
<ogra_>
alkisg, he used a transformer and is now jocarter
13:13
<alkisg>
Got it, was just kidding... I got used to his old nickname... I hope we won't lose Hyperbyte in the future too! :D
13:13
<ogra_>
heh
13:14
<jocarter>
hi alkisg :)
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17:02
<roasted_>
hello!
17:03
question for the incredibly intelligent users of LTSP...
17:03
Each time the clients boot, they hang at tftp..., and eventually time out. If I reboot tftp right then, they get to the ltsp login screen fine. eh?
17:12
<||cw>
"reboot tftp"?
17:12
<muppis>
I think meant reastart.
17:14
<||cw>
restart tftpd?
17:23
<dead_inside>
is this a stand alone ltsp server? and what distro/version
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17:50
<roasted_>
||cw, yes
17:50
restart the tftphpa service
17:50
or whatever it is
17:50
tftp-hpa?
17:57
yeah it's still happening
17:58
it's insanely frustrating. once I reboot tftp-hpa, things work great
17:58
<alkisg>
Is it running before you restart it?
17:58
<roasted_>
yes
17:58
if I do "start" it says already running
17:58
so I do restart, and we have a winner
17:59
<alkisg>
Just try downloading something from some client before you restart it, and if it fails, file a bug request about it - maybe one already exists
17:59
!tftp
17:59
<ltsp`>
alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
17:59
<alkisg>
See the section about using an external tftp client there
18:01
<roasted_>
this is the 2nd server this has happenedt o me to. I'm wondering if configs somewhere are borked.
18:03
I wonder if option-routers has anything to do with it?
18:03
mine was set to 10.52.0.1 when I'm on a 10.52.20.x network....
18:04
<alkisg>
Well if you follow my advice above you'll be absolute sure if it's a dhcp problem or not
18:05
If the tftp server doesn't work on boot, and it works on restart, it's a tftp bug
18:06
<roasted_>
if it's a bug, I wonder how I can best work around this then.
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18:10
<roasted__>
sweet. power loss.
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18:13
<roasted__>
yep. reboot tftpd-hpa, and suddenly the client boots
18:13
I wonder if I should create an upstart job to work around this
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18:17
<roasted__>
I wonder if I could just set a script to sleep for 30 seconds after boot, restart the tftpd-hpa service, and cron it for startup?
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<damormino_>
Is there a Mode called "Install and LTSP server" on Ubuntu 12.04? It seems the installer changed from 10.04, and I cannot find where to press F4 on the Alternate CD. I want to install an LTSP server on 12.04.
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Disregard above. I believe I just found it on the 12.04 Alternate CD.
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