you ever tried to do a 7.1 install on older server hardware? I have an IBM eServer 235 which the network is not working properly.
I think I am just going to add a nic to it, and see if that fixes it.
pretty much exclusively do server installs via network boot
so the first issue to resolve is networking ... usually only a matter of loading the firmware from usb
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that was it :) and I accidentally plugged into the RS-485 port ;)
I was reaching behind the machine in a tight corner
you ever deal with xen?
in the process of getting rid of the last of our xen servers today, actually :)
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vagrantc: we had some nice Aikido sessions here with some DDs...
actually, tomorrow is the next one...
vagrantc: Did you see what I had posted earlier about the sound issue, and how it was fixed by restarting the pulseserver on the client (temporary fix, but without the -L fix involved)
oops: vagrantc has quit...
bah.. I just noticed that as well
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bedtime here at DebConf13-Switzerland...
Someone was looking for you earlier, but cant recall who now
How is it going?
tired! Local time is 2:44 and I have been working on packaging MATE the whole night.
I love MATE (both the DE and the drink)
I am drinking my gourd now
MATE works really smooth in X2Go and so it also probably does in LTSP.
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yes, it is very smooth in ltsp
have a good time
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we are using it on our mint 15 server
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Using Debian stable and Fat Clients, how do I get local USB-connected printers to work? They are not automatically recognized.
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engblom: you have cups and all the needed drivers (foomatic, hpijs, etc) installed in the chroot?
quick question for everyone... If I want the lightest weight DE in debian, would it be KDE, LXDE or Xfce? (I know it isn't gnome3)
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probably lxde. last time I used xfce it wasn't much lighter than gnome2, and while kde is good at trimming itself down in low ram situations, it's still not that light
it's been a long time since I tried lxde though
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Is anyone else here using mint / ltsp?
||cw: Yes, I have everything installed.
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how long does dpkg-scanpackages take to run on a full deb 7.1 repo?
i mean, what are you trying to do?
bennabiy: there are many tools to generate apt repositories, i would not reccommend doing it manually
I am about to do an assortment of various deb installs, and I pulled all the .deb files to make a local repository. I am generating the Packages.gz file
That way I can do each install over the local network, rather than pulling from the inet each time
I was looking for you earlier to see if that was the best way to do it, but you werent here. ;)
i'd reccommend using reprepro
Can that be run on mint 15?
alternately, approx or maybe apt-cacher-ng
bennabiy: how would i know? :p
That is my issue... All my machines in the office are mint or kubuntu based .. and I am about to set up about 4 or 5 deb servers
I feel bad about communicating about non-ltsp specific things in here, is there a better way to reach you?
i would e surprised if any of those wasn't available for mint
have you ever used MATE on debian?
no need to reach me specifically
i have not
i prefer to stick with debian and not use external repositories
saves a lot of headache
that makes sense
but i prefer to help people in public channels... more people benefit that way
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Just some channels are very much devoted to sticking to the topic of the channel, so other questions are not so advised.
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If you install the packages you want in one server, they get cached in /var/cache/apt/archives, and then if you just copy them to other servers before installing those packages, they will be read from the cache instead of pulled from the internet
there are some features like --mount-package-cache and --mount-package-lists and such to help
alkisg! would that work if I want different things installed to each?
Sure, you only need to have the debs in that folder
Additional debs don't cause problems
And apt-get clean after installation deletes them, if you want to save space
What happens if I run apt-get update? would those packages in that folder be upgraded if there are new version and I run the upgrade?
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Hi vagrantc :)
btw, alkisg: I finally got the audio fixed...
If newer debs are available on the internet, those will be downloaded in the cache instead of the stored ones
Yup I saw it in the mailing list
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Is there a way I could go about getting a ltsp for mint setup, so I could post specific fixes which need to apply for mint?
at the moment, my build client has to build from ubuntu, but I think I could make a mint specific
I noticed on https://code.launchpad.net/ltsp I could download the codebase, but where would I go from there?
bennabiy: is ltsp-server available n mint?
the packages... they just don't work?
it is the build client scripts which are not
probably just a few minor tweaks in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
I have to do some magic redirection to cause it to pull the files for the client image and chroot from ubuntu instead of mint
that is what I thought
but it hasnt been done yet
and I do not want to have to keep doing it
what does lsb_release say?
on the client?
or on my server?
on a mint comuter
er. mint install
No LSB modules are available
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Generally you can just file bug reports on ltsp to add simple things like supporting mint...
ltsp-bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
$ lsb_release -sa
No LSB modules are available.
Linux Mint 15 Olivia
although there's debian and ubuntu based mint, just tokeep it difficult
This is Ubuntu based
The debian-based might report LMDE in lsb_release... we'll have to check
that'd be good
to make the distinction
For starters, you could try symlinking /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu to /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/LinuxMint
when i have some free time i could set up vm and try it
alkisg that is what I do
you'll need a different 00base or whatever it's called
for the mirror defaults
and then when you build the client you need to specify architecture as well as release ( using the ubuntu release codename)
maybe a handfull of others
Are the mint mirrors compatible or the same with the ubuntu ones?
Pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list ...
bennabiy: but you should be able to use mint mirrors and codenames
I know. but it has not been set up yet.
that is why I am wanting to set it up, and then have it available worldwide, because I am not the only mint user who does ltsp, although mint support of ltsp is not very well documented
In your case it's worse, it's a mixed setup, mint server, ubuntu chroot
It is because the script has not been set up to pull actual mint chroot, but I think it is possible, and am willing to try it, if I know how to post my results when I do it
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ltsp-build-client --copy-souceslist might be interesting
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hmm. isnt there an option to tell ltsp where to put the new build?
so I do not mess up my current setup
yanu was last seen in #ltsp 35 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <yanu> fuzai: this is what I saved once :http://pastebin.com/Snt1tK4s
ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp_new --copy-sources
that's another way to do it
but then you'll need to reconfigure NFS or NBD to use the alternate location
I could make a special rule for my mac address to issue that image instead
yes, you'll have to configure dhcp in either case
ltsp-update-kernels with an alternate --base will probably break...
i.e. delete the kernels and initrd images
true.. perhaps I could just make a copy of the image files, remove them, and then try it... all else fails, move it back in place
those images only are needed to boot the client, right? So once the client is booted, those images can disappear and be replaced
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looks like i got disconnected...
bennabiy: what did i miss? :)
umm... not much... I am trying to consider the best approach to testing this out.
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hrm.. where else would a deb based os pull apt sources from?
/etc/apt/sources.list is all commented out, but my system pulls many sources
let me check
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where is the documentation for that option?
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should also handle the .d dirs
does /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts contain your release codename?
i think olivia?
it has raring, which is a link to gutsy
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I give up trying to run my own repository for debian!
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bennabiy: approx is really easy to set up
it's not strictly a mirror... it caches packages as you request them, so the second try is local
apt-cacher-ng is similar, but i haven't used it
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I know, but I want to run it on a diff system...
vagrantc: Do you know how much memory wheezy needs to be dom0 for xen?
I tried 3096, but it kernel crashed
bah, it is amazing what one letter does for a setting... I did 3096, not 3096M for grub
i've never needed more than 512M for dom0, but haven't run xen with wheezy
also always use dom0 for xend only, and run all services in domU
though i don't imagine it needs any more thanetch, lenny ot squeeze
bennabiy: why not kvm? no hardware support?
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1024 crashes wheezy
I gave wheezy 2048 and it is fine.
exactly what are you setting?
etc/default/grub -> GRUB_CMDLINE_XEN="dom0_mem=1024M" and then adding the same thing in xend-config.sdx
I mean the same number for dom0_mem
just without the M on it
i wouldn't change xend-config.sdx
I am just following https://wiki.debian.org/Xen
I turned off ballooning and hard enabled the dom0 memory
those are my only changes
hm. guess wheezy is a bit different
bennabiy: good luck
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alkisg: I am about to try to build a mint client... any thoughts on the best way to go about it?
Try --copy-sources-list and symlink Ubuntu to LinuxMint...
Not sure what else is needed
Also --mount-package-cache for speedup
I am thinking I should use the --chroot to differentiate between the ubuntu clients I already have and the new attempt
does the order of arguments matter?
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Now, the current clients are already symlinked to Ubuntu... Is there a way I could actually make a LinuxMint genuine folder?
What do you mean symlinked to Ubuntu?
ls -l /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
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I already have the directory symlinked
that is how I made the client in the first place
but then when building the client, I needed to specify --dist=raring or it would not build, so it built a raring client
but I want to see if I can make an olivia client
Does that make sense?
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