IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 March 2012   (all times are UTC)

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00:55
<AliNarcis1>
hello
00:55
i have a question
00:56
a beginner type question
00:56
wen i sign in with a client in ltsp
00:56
my client has the same ip as my server has
00:56
anybody knows y ?
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01:08
<Llama_be>
AliNarcis: when you sign in into an LTSP client, you actually connect to the server and perform all actions on the server
01:08
so if you would check your ip address, you're actually checking the server ip address
01:16
<AliNarcis>
auuuuuuu
01:17
got it dude
01:17
thx
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04:25
<AliNarcis>
dudes, is there any irc channel for ltsp cluster 2 ?
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05:06
<alkisg>
There's no separate channel for ltsp cluster, this is it
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06:21
<AliNarcis>
dudes i am so new in using linux
06:21
and i want to migrate to linux from windows
06:21
but there are some win apps that i wanna use in linux
06:22
some apps that were not totally ok in wine
06:22
is there anybody who could help me ?
06:25
<alkisg>
AliNarcis: ask your specific question, and wait for an answer, don't ask if someone's available...
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06:44
<Alternativend>
Hello
06:44
anyone there?
06:45
I have a few simple questions and i hope that someone could help me :)
06:47
Does anyone know if it is possible to use the FatClient system with Debian?
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07:12
<Alternativend>
hmh
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07:22
<Alternativend>
no one here who could help me out?
07:23
<elias_a>
People are still asleep in Europe at this time :)
07:23
<alkisg>
Alternativend: yes it is possible, and it's easier on wheezy
07:23
<Alternativend>
ok what do i have to do?
07:23
<elias_a>
Alternativend: Should be but most who I know use Ubuntu.
07:24
<Alternativend>
and yes Im using wheezy allready, because of ltsp 5
07:24
<elias_a>
alkisg: Sorry to assume you were still sleeping :)
07:24
<alkisg>
elias_a: haha no worries I'm not the only person responding anyway :)
07:24
<Alternativend>
;)
07:25
So how do I prepare the chroot envireoment?
07:25
<alkisg>
Alternativend: let me see how recent is ltsp in wheezy...
07:26
5.3.4-1?
07:27
<Alternativend>
right
07:27
<alkisg>
Good enough. How would you prefer to install it? With ltsp-build-client or by a normal installation in a real client or in a vbox?
07:27
<elias_a>
alkisg: I never asked this but how much do the local education administrative bodies know about FLOSS in Greece?
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07:28
<Alternativend>
greece?
07:28
<alkisg>
elias_a: there are some that actually promote it. And there are some that don't even know that software is :)
07:28
*what
07:28
<Alternativend>
However whats the best option to do it?
07:28
<elias_a>
alkisg: Well - that is all the same all around the world.
07:29
<alkisg>
Alternativend: go with the standard method, run ltsp-build-client and install some desktop environment in your chroot
07:29
<elias_a>
alkisg: If you know people who are interested in joining the FSFE Education list, please let me know.
07:30
<Alternativend>
Nothing special about the FAT-Client option to do?
07:30
<alkisg>
Alternativend: in the past a fat plugin was required to disable network manager etc etc
07:30
But in recent ltsp versions all that is done automatically
07:30
<Alternativend>
So it will be enough to do the following?
07:30
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install htop openarena stellarium vlc
07:31
<alkisg>
No, that doesn't give you a desktop environment
07:31
<Alternativend>
ok ok
07:31
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install htop openarena stellarium vlc xfce4
07:31
;)
07:31
<alkisg>
Right
07:31
<Alternativend>
What to do with the lts.conf?
07:31
<alkisg>
From ltsp 5.3.6 your chroot will automatically detect that it's a fat cone
07:31
*one
07:31
<Alternativend>
cool
07:31
<alkisg>
For now, you'll need LTSP_FATCLIENT=True in lts.conf
07:32
<Alternativend>
so Im adding this line
07:32
<alkisg>
[Default] on top too
07:32
<Alternativend>
right
07:32
<alkisg>
That should be all... if it isn't, ask again :)
07:33
<Alternativend>
And that´s all? After that my "ThinClients" are FatClients? Would be really amazing.
07:33
<alkisg>
Yup
07:33
<Alternativend>
I cant wait to see what the performance will be like.
07:33
<alkisg>
And if you remote the lts.conf line, they're thin again
07:33
Like local installations, like if they were booting from an external usb disk (not flash stick, a real fast one)
07:34
<Alternativend>
So youtube for instance would work?
07:34
<alkisg>
Of course
07:34
<Alternativend>
I have to manage a few schools and well videos are quite popular
07:34
<alkisg>
Exactly like local installations, even the memory requirements are the same
07:35
Me too, 250 schools, that's why I spent so much coding the fat clients code ;)
07:35
<Alternativend>
For us this could be a great way to deploy Linux as a second option, without having trouble managing everything
07:35
Do you use LDAP?
07:37
Is it possible to use LTSP so that the pupils are able to logon with there "normal" Windows users?
07:37
<elias_a>
alkisg: Are you managing 250 schools? :O
07:37
<alkisg>
elias_a: yup, writing manuals, providing repositories with software etc... some 100+ of them are listed here: http://goo.gl/maps/nOoQ
07:38
Alternativend: no I'm not using LDAP
07:38
To login with the normal windows accounts, I think likewise open can be used
07:38
Or just plain samba, haven't done it
07:38
I'd prefer the opposite ;)
07:38
To manage all the accounts on linux and have windows workstations authenticate against samba
07:38
<Alternativend>
Yes but Linux would be only the second option here :(
07:39
<elias_a>
alkisg: You are FLOSS-hero :)
07:39
<Alternativend>
RIGHT!
07:40
I do have an ActiveDirectory here and a Windows Domain
07:40
<alkisg>
Alternativend: in the future I'll write an ltsp screen script to launch windows VMs on top of ltsp fat clients
07:40
<Alternativend>
What would you say.. how to give them a chance to logon with their "normal" users?
07:40
<alkisg>
The result will be that you'll be able to server e.g. windows 7 professional in all your school from a single VM, without needing a domain
07:41
<elias_a>
alkisg: What you do is so interesting and large scale that somebody should interview you and write an article about what you do.
07:41
<alkisg>
And authentication and user homes will be in linux, but the users will only see windows
07:41
<Alternativend>
Would be GREAT!
07:41
But for now on??
07:41
<alkisg>
Since that's so much easier to maintain than windows server + a lot of different windows client installations, I hope it will help migrating more schools to linux
07:42
<elias_a>
alkisg: Have you thought what that means licencewise?
07:42
<alkisg>
It requires a corporate win 7 license
07:42
(I think)
07:42
<elias_a>
What about CALs?
07:43
Client Access Licence, that is.
07:43
<alkisg>
There's no server
07:43
So I don't think any CALs are necessary
07:43
You just maintain the client disks in a single VM on the linux server
07:43
<Alternativend>
hmh
07:43
So thats too fast for me...
07:44
<alkisg>
Alternativend: for now you can either offer local booting, or rdesktop from ltsp, or you can manually create VMs in ltsp too
07:44
<Alternativend>
I dont understand how do you do it right now?
07:44
<alkisg>
Whatever matches your situation
07:44
<Alternativend>
Yes but I think you dont udnerstand my problem :)
07:45
Guess I have a Linux server with fat clients
07:45
and I have a Windows 2003 R2 server with a fully working Active Directory, Usernames and so on...
07:45
How do I link this?
07:46
<elias_a>
alkisg: Oh - you plan having as many VM:s and licenced Windowses enough for all users?
07:46
<Alternativend>
For the beginning I do need a method to give everybody the chance to logon with their normal user
07:46
<alkisg>
Logon to linux or to windows?
07:46
<Alternativend>
Booting LTSP
07:47
Login with Windows credentials
07:47
<alkisg>
elias_a: no, a single VM that can be reused by any number of ltsp clients/windows users
07:47
Alternativend: and your session would be linux or windows?
07:47
<Alternativend>
Linux
07:47
<alkisg>
OK, yeah, that's what I understood, see my first answer
07:48
<Alternativend>
It´sjust about the username, password and files
07:48
<alkisg>
(09:38:21 πμ) alkisg: To login with the normal windows accounts, I think likewise open can be used
07:48
(09:38:27 πμ) alkisg: Or just plain samba, haven't done it
07:48
<elias_a>
Alternativend: One alternative would be to boot the clients first to Linux. Then there would be an icon on the desktop that would start a winblows-session.
07:48
<alkisg>
He wants a linux session, not a windows one
07:49
<Alternativend>
Yes
07:49
<alkisg>
Just to be able to authenticate using the windows credentials
07:49
<Alternativend>
right
07:49
<alkisg>
That's what likewise and samba/winbind etc are for
07:49
But as I said, I haven't done it
07:49
<elias_a>
Ok, just using the existing AD as LDAP?
07:49
<alkisg>
I don't want to invest on windows servers
07:49
Yes, something like that
07:49
<Alternativend>
exactly
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07:50
<elias_a>
I know it is doable as it is quite common in Finland. The sad thing is I do not know how it is done.
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07:50
<Alternativend>
hmh
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07:51
<Alternativend>
that´s a challenge I gues
07:54
So my first step now is to test the FAT-Client option. The second one is finding a way to give them a chance to logon with Windows username and password.
07:55
What is about aptitude upgrade?
07:56
I would have to rebuild with ltsp-build-client when xfce or iceweasel do have an update, right?
07:57
<elias_a>
Alternativend: Are you aware of the LTSP LinkedIn-group? http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Linux-Terminal-Server-Project-LTSP-1412517
07:57
That could be a good place to ask, too.
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07:58
<Alternativend>
So what ist linkedin?
07:59
<elias_a>
LinkedIn is a social media service for "professionals".
07:59
<Alternativend>
Or you dont want to have me here anymore?
07:59
<elias_a>
Alternativend: No - please stay here.
07:59
<Alternativend>
;)
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08:00
<elias_a>
I am just saying that there are people out there doing beatiful things but don't use IRC.
08:00
<Alternativend>
This is my first real chance to offer Linux for schools here
08:00
<elias_a>
Alternativend: Where are you?
08:00
<Alternativend>
Germany
08:00
you?
08:00
<elias_a>
Wo in Deutschland?
08:00
Ich bin hier in Finnland.
08:00
<Alternativend>
Nähe von Bielefeld
08:01
<elias_a>
Ok :)
08:01
<Alternativend>
Deutscher?
08:01
oder deutsch gelernt?
08:01
<elias_a>
Nein, doch nicht.
08:01
Ja in Schule.
08:02
<Alternativend>
Ich wusste nicht das man in Finnland deutsch in der Schule lernt
08:02
great!
08:02
<elias_a>
Well it was even more popular 20 years back.
08:02
<Alternativend>
anyway ;)
08:03
back to topic
08:03
<elias_a>
Alternativend: Have you found any other activists near you?
08:04
I know some people who would possibly be of help.
08:04
Alternativend: And just to check - do you know the Skolelinux project the Norwegians run?
08:05
http://www.slx.no/
08:05
<Alternativend>
Yes I do know it
08:06
and no I haven´t heard of similar things here..
08:06
<elias_a>
Ok.
08:06
<Alternativend>
Well Skolelinux is quite nice, but it dont fits for us.
08:06
<elias_a>
Have you heard of the Munich case?
08:06
<Alternativend>
Yes of course!
08:07
I really hope that this guys will have success
08:07
<elias_a>
What you could do is to have a chat with them. They did some mistakes that led to resistance.
08:08
I know one of the guys as a name on a mailing list.
08:08
I can introduce you two if you want to.
08:09
alkisg: You see - even I am not that good in tech things, I can do these things... :)
08:09
<alkisg>
elias_a: sometimes these are even more valuable ;)
08:09
<elias_a>
I am a FLOSS pimp ;-)
08:10
<Alternativend>
:)
08:10
Lobbyist
08:10
<elias_a>
alkisg: I force nerds to talk to each other, too. :9
08:10
Alternativend: You got that right. I actually get paid for that and that is why I try to help you, too.
08:11
<Alternativend>
Thank you very much
08:11
thats really kind
08:12
Unfortunately I don´t have anymore time today.
08:12
So lets do the following
08:13
<elias_a>
Alternativend: This is the man: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf-Dieter_Zimmermann
08:13
<Alternativend>
On Monday I will test the FAT-Client installtion of xfce, iceweassel, vlc and so on..
08:14
If the performance is good enoguh I will go on and test the winbind things
08:15
<elias_a>
I don't know if he is a good contact. You can tell him that I told you to contact him.
08:15
He is retired but seems to be quite active.
08:15
<Alternativend>
cool
08:16
<elias_a>
My real name is Elias Aarnio if you wish to say hello ;)
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08:17
<Alternativend>
If the winbind things work I will go on and show my work to the responsible people in one school.
08:18
But no matter what the result will be I will inform you about that
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08:20
<Alternativend>
At the moment my ltsp runs on a virtualbox, and I guess the performance on a real server would be better.
08:26
For now I would like to sy a big THANK YOU for putting me into the right direction! I will look closer into it on Monday and Im quite sure that I will have further questions.
08:27
<alkisg>
Good luck!
08:27
<Alternativend>
Thank you!
08:28
I hope thats ok to ask further questions here :)
08:30
Have a great Weekend! We will see us on Monday, goodbye!
08:35
<elias_a>
alkisg: I would like to write a few lines about your activities to my blog. I link to the map but is there also some URL I could point to?
08:35
<alkisg>
The entry page is http://ts.sch.gr/ellak
08:35
(in greek)
08:37
<Alternativend>
Whats the address of your blog?
08:38
Would love to read it.
08:40
<elias_a>
Alternativend: It is only in Finnish :(
08:40
So far.
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08:41
<Alternativend>
hmh
08:41
ok
08:41
well I have to leave now, bye
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12:22
<srdjo>
is it safe to upgrade to 12.04 now ? Is anyone using it in production ?
12:25
<alkisg>
Have you ever used a beta version in production?
12:25
(a beta os version)
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<srdjo>
no :)
12:34
but I just cant wait to see whats new :)
12:34
<Llama_be>
then put it in a test virtual machine
12:37
ofcourse, it depends on what you mean by "in production"
12:38
if that means it is for you alone, and you don't mind having to figure out why certain problems arise, then it's something different than if 20 people are depending on the infrastructure
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<srdjo>
i mean are there some major bugs I should worry about - there is no point running LTSP server and client in VM - I will try it in the office with 5 clients - I hope all will work right - are there any major changes in 12.04 ?
13:27
<Llama_be>
srdjo: but if you would just like to see what's new in Ubuntu, you wouldn't need to run it on LTSP, would you?
13:43
<srdjo>
Llama_be, I am interested in LTSP changes not the Ubuntu ones. I dont use unity, so there is not much for me to see. Since I have Firefox and Chrome memory problems (disappearing browsers :) in Fat clients) on 11.10 I thought there might be some stability upgrades in 12.04.
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<xsl>
guys is it ok to have 20 users on a 8GB server (if they are thin clients)? (giving libreoffice and chromium on the server )
16:01
8GB RAM
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or is there a website with some performance/requisites charts i can check
16:16
<Llama_be>
knipwim: I found the issue why I was getting a grub install: I was stupidly using quickstart installer with kicktoo profile. Changed that, and it has built me a client now
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<knipwim>
Llama_be: hehe nice one
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<muppis>
!win32-loader
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<ltsp>
muppis: win32-loader: win32-loader.exe can be used to add a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses gPXE/iPXE for the network booting. You can download a binary from http://ts.sch.gr/docs/kanonismoi-diadikasies/doc_download/327-ltsp-loader - (if someone can write a wiki page about it it'd be nice :))
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19:13
<andygraybeal_>
aftenroon
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19:16
<knipwim>
hey andy
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<andygraybeal_>
hi knipwim
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<jg>
What's the recommended URL with the recipe to get LTSP running on Lubuntu 11.10?
19:59
<srdjo>
Dont know about Lubuntu, but see if you can use something from this Ubuntu guide http://mojotechblog.wordpress.com/2011/12/01/ubuntu-11-10-ltsp/
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<knipwim>
what, seriously, nbd boot says "Exported device is too big for me. Get a 64-bit machine"
20:08
<dead_inside>
lol
20:08
<knipwim>
but all my clients are 32 bit
20:08
<||cw>
how big?
20:08
<dead_inside>
is your nbd image over 4G?
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<||cw>
knipwim: my server is x64 and clients x32, it's not a problem
20:09
<dead_inside>
whats the size of the image....
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<knipwim>
hmm, the image is 350M but the nbd negotation says 4229768MB
20:09
<||cw>
it's a little obnoxious when 3rd party installers in the chroot see the x64 kernel and install the wrong libs, but otherwise it's been fine
20:11
<alkisg>
knipwim: ehhh I've seen that, it was a wrong configuration, let me see if I can remember what it was...
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...maybe it was trying to connect via named-based export, when the server was only listening for port-based exports, or vice-versa...
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<knipwim>
i do try to connect a namebased export
20:17
but i don't refer to a port, by default it's listening on 10809
20:17
<alkisg>
What's your nbd-server configuration like?
20:17
`grep -rv ^# /etc/nbd-server` or something...
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<knipwim>
http://dpaste.com/717556/
20:20
that's in /etc/nbd-server/config
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<alkisg>
Damn I can't remember well... it might also have been the sequence of the parameters of nbd-client
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<alkisg>
I.e. if the -N name was in the wrong place, it did that... maybe
20:26
knipwim: what's your nbd-client command line like?
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<knipwim>
nbd-client 192.168.0.1 -N ltsp /dev/nbd0
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<alkisg>
All look fine... sorry I can't remember what it was
20:30
<knipwim>
no worries
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<jg>
srdjo, Thx.
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21:31
<talntid>
anyone here ran thin clients over the web?
21:31
remote thin clients, that is
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<||cw>
probably would work OK for rdp or vnc, I woudln't want to try X
21:32
neatx/nxclient might be OK though
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<talntid>
hmm
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<vagrantc_>
!seen alkisg
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<ltsp>
vagrantc_: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 49 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <alkisg> All look fine... sorry I can't remember what it was
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<vagrantc_>
i guess no new epoptes today... :)
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<jg>
Any suggestions for which LTSP config file has the default client (LXDE) wallpaper? I'd like to change the initial new user client machine default wallpaper.
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