IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 4 November 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<mwright1>
hello
01:53
just wandering if anyone here has tried ltsp server with a xen kernel
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<cyberorg>
vagrantc, hi, scrolled up yesterdays discussion, tarballs break up look good
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<vagrantc>
cyberorg: cool
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<cyberorg>
vagrantc, you pinged?
05:11
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: just wanted to make sure all the active folks working on ltsp knew that that important conversation was happening
05:12
<cyberorg>
we would only know if it is best when we have first tarballs, we can always improve if required :)
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<Q-FUNK>
re
12:13
how was the meeting in Maine?
12:16
<cliebow>
Q-FUNK, tight now it is just three of us..Gadi warren and I
12:16
others are out riding around
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<Q-FUNK>
ok
12:16
any interesting developments?
12:17
<vagrantc>
depends on what you mean by interesting
12:17
<cliebow>
well..mostly ironing out how to set up ltsp as upstream
12:17* vagrantc finds that very interesting
12:17
<cliebow>
it is but no earthshattering discoveries 8~(
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)
12:18
my job is to listen a lot..
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<Q-FUNK>
so RH and the others could have amore clear set of upstream tarballs to package?
12:50
<vagrantc>
that's part of it
12:51
it's also splitting out different code bases into separate tarballs
12:52
i.e. split ldm out of the ltsp code
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<Q-FUNK>
I think that's of secondary importance
12:58
for instance, RH's main complaint was that there doesn't seem to be regular upstream tarball releases at ltsp.org anymore, because everything is SO ubuntu-centric
12:59
<vagrantc>
sure
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<vagrantc>
it's even been an issue at times with debian/ubuntu relations, even though they're much closer
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<stgraber>
hi sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
Afternoon all
13:19
Hey stgraber!
13:19
Are you still in Boston?
13:19
<stgraber>
nope, back in Switzerland
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<sbalneav>
Cool! Good flight?
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<stgraber>
yes, I even have my baggage this time :)
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<sbalneav>
Bonus!
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<warren>
sbalneav, http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/ltsp-upstream.tar.bz2
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<masus>
hi all , new debian ezch ltsp-server installation with next-server but the clients cant login
13:53
can anybody help
13:53
"login failed"
13:54
<vagrantc>
masus: i can help in a few minutes
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<masus>
ok thanks
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<jammcq>
hello kidz
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<masus>
hi jammcq
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<jammcq>
masus: hey
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<sbalneav>
jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14:02
Dude, where the heck are you!
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
We've been looking for you for hours!!!!
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<jammcq>
i've been BUSY
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<davidj>
ha!
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<vagrantc>
masus: ok ... so ... what version of ltsp do you have installed: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
14:06
<masus>
ii ltsp-server 0.99debian11 Basic LTSP server environment
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pbx:~#
14:06* vagrantc turns the mental clock back a year ...
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<vagrantc>
masus: have you run ltsp-update-sshkeys ?
14:07
<masus>
yes i have
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<vagrantc>
masus: you get a message saying "login failed" ?
14:07
<masus>
yes
14:08
i have add these -> next-server 10.0.0.1; option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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<vagrantc>
masus: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 ldm 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
14:08
masus: if you're getting a login screen, dhcp is working fine.
14:09
<masus>
i get a long message
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<vagrantc>
masus: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 ldm 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
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<masus>
Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
14:10
this is the last lint of the message
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<vagrantc>
masus: where are you seeing this message ?
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<masus>
dpkg: need an action option
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<vagrantc>
masus: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
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sorry
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<masus>
ii ldm 0.99debian11 LTSP display manager
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ii ltsp-client 0.99debian11 LTSP client environment
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<vagrantc>
masus: do you have an /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
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<masus>
no
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<vagrantc>
ok.
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masus: i really don't ever recall that version of ldm reporting any error messages ...
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<masus>
i see the kdm login page
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<vagrantc>
ah.
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<masus>
but always after i type my user and pass
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<vagrantc>
that's clearer
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<masus>
i get the message login failed
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<vagrantc>
masus: did you install kdm ?
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<masus>
yes
14:13
may i miss something ?
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<vagrantc>
masus: are you trying to log into the thin client or the server ?
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<masus>
client
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<vagrantc>
masus: or rather, why did you install kdm ... ?
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<masus>
what i have to install ?
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<vagrantc>
what are you trying to do ?
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<masus>
hmmm
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how to explain
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<vagrantc>
a "normal" ltsp5 install uses ldm to log into the server. so why did you install kdm ?
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<masus>
oooh
14:14
so i have to install ldm ?
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<vagrantc>
masus: sounds like ldm is installed, but kdm will take priority if it's installed and you haven't told it to use ldm
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<masus>
it"s not important fopr me kde gnome or xfce
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or ldm
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<vagrantc>
masus: did you do anything else to the chroot ?
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<masus>
no
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only to /etc/exports
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<vagrantc>
masus: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get remove kdm
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masus: and reboot your thin client
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<warren>
sbalneav, http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/Makefile
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sbalneav, non-functional example to insert for now.
14:16
<masus>
ok i'll try
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<vagrantc>
warren: what are these *.spec files ?
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<warren>
vagrantc, that's the rpm spec file, the actual Makefile would pull it from some file in dist/
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<vagrantc>
warren: ah, got it.
14:32
<masus>
vagrantc: after i remove kde , i can login but not a desktop
14:32
howto with kde desktop ?
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<vagrantc>
masus: on the *server*, apt-get install kde
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<masus>
first chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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or without
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<vagrantc>
NO.
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<masus>
hmmm
14:34
ok
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<vagrantc>
i always am explicit if something needs to be done in the chroot.
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unless you're doing something weird, you usually don't install anything in the chroot
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only thing you mess with in the chroot are occasionally configuration files
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like lts.conf
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<masus>
vagrantc: thanks
15:12
it's working fine now
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by all
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<jammcq>
laprag: hey
15:34
how are we feeling today?
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<laprag>
we have been feeling better
15:34
apt punishment though
15:34
<jammcq>
you missed a wonderful breakfast and sight-seeing tour
15:35
<laprag>
yeah
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apt-get install feelbetter
15:35
<jammcq>
file not found
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<laprag>
so are we doing something organised?
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<jammcq>
ummm
15:37
well, some of us are working (or thinking about working) on printing
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we're also thinking about ordering the pizza
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<laprag>
ok, i'll read up on the webpage about status of printing
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<jammcq>
I'm not sure it's even there
15:38
<laprag>
oh
15:38
<Gadi>
there's a webpage?
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<laprag>
yes?
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<jammcq>
there's a webpage ?
15:42
who wants pizza ?
15:42* jammcq proposes that all bts guys not on irc get no pizza
15:42
<jammcq>
sbalneav: you there?
15:43* laprag seconds jammcq
15:44* laprag supports pizza
15:44
<sbalneav>
Present!
15:44
<laprag>
scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: you getting hungry?
15:44
<sbalneav>
Yes
15:44
Pizza
15:44* Gadi 's kingdom for a decent monitor
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<sbalneav>
apt-get install pizza
15:45
<Gadi>
sbalneav: do you have ur classmate around?
15:45* Gadi doesnt mean jammcq
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<jammcq>
moquist: hey, you want pizza?
15:48
<aep>
pizza? oO
15:50
<laprag>
sbalneav: is there a bot in the channel these days?
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<Gadi>
!s
15:53
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:54
<Gadi>
laprag: yes
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:)
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<Q-FUNK>
pizzaa!!!!
15:56
<laprag>
Gadi: OK!
15:56
!s
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<ltspbot>
laprag: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<laprag>
!h
15:56
<ltspbot>
laprag: Error: "h" is not a valid command.
15:56
<laprag>
ltspbot: ping
15:56
<ltspbot>
pong
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<laprag>
ltspbot: help
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<ltspbot>
laprag: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids --search values
16:01
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: No keys matched that query.
16:01
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
16:01
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', (1 more message)
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<jammcq>
ogra: hey
16:23
did you make it to the bus on time?
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<moquist>
jammcq: mmm, pizza sounds good.
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<jammcq>
zackly what I was thinking
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<moquist>
sbalneav: ldm isn't segfaulting for me after 3 bad password attempts. Or, if it IS SEGFAULTing, I don't know how to tell. The greeter is relaunching, in any case.
16:44
sbalneav: I don't see anything suspicious in ldm.log on the client or syslog on the server.
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sbalneav: this is a totally stock gutsy edubuntu install.
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<GNet-User>
hello to everyonee
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i came here for info i've read a magazine and it says that i can come here
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what is a thin client?
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how much it costs?
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noone available? what's going on?
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ok thanks for the nothing! bye
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<vagrantc>
a thin client is a simple computer that boots off the network
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pfft.
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<cliebow>
vagrantc: take this pizza..
17:18
<ogra>
mmm, pizza
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<vagrantc>
all i have is vegetables and eggs.
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<ogra>
jammcq, nope, we decided to not get in a hurry and rather rearrange the luggage to fit the drum kit in
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and in the end we were in plymouth 30min before the bus :)
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<jammcq>
heh
17:20
was the bus at 1pm or 4pm ?
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<ogra>
2
17:23* ogra needs to go downstairs, they are meeting up for dinner ...
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<ogra>
bbl
17:23
...
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: If all you've got is veegetables and eggs, I smell a vegetarian omlette in the making!
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<jammcq>
hmm, salmonchanted omlette ?
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<jammcq>
GodFather: BOO !!!
17:30
<GodFather>
hi
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i attempted a fritatta, but ended up with scramble
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<sbalneav>
GodFather: Boo!
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vagrantc: Either way, you got a meal.
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<davidj>
"Holy $%%&, I got it right the first time" -- Scotty
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<moquist>
Gadi: tfile=`tempfile`; echo /usr/bin/ssh -S $control_file \$* > $tfile; ... rm $tfile
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<moquist>
cliebow: !!!!!!!
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<cliebow>
Hay!1
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<Gadi>
moquist: eh. I still like mattssh ;)
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<warren>
http://f3dora.org/paste/407
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<vagrantc>
warren: nice! i've been meaning to figure out how to set up that sort of thing with qemu
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<warren>
instead of qemu-kvm, the same syntax works with qemu
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<vagrantc>
i figured
20:33
i've used the slirp-style networking for years, but it doesn't really test the full configuration
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<otavio>
vagrantc: hi
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<laprag>
i made it just a little late into irc, could you please repost warren?
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<vagrantc>
otavio: sounds like we're finally getting some real upstream tarballs and such for ltsp :)
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<Gadi>
http://f3dora.org/paste/407
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(thats for u, laprag)
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<otavio>
vagrantc: WOW! Finally
20:37
vagrantc: awesome!
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<vagrantc>
:)
20:38
some of it's a little over my head- i'm not real swift when it comes to Makefiles
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<otavio>
?
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<vagrantc>
i'm not real good with make
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otavio: and i'll really have to figure out dpatch or quilt now :)
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<otavio>
vagrantc: it's easy
20:41
vagrantc: :-)
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vagrantc: ask for help if need
20:43* otavio is not good with perl
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<vagrantc>
otavio: i'm really hoping to see ltsp 5.0.39debian1 hit lenny before we do the major package split ... but the buildd's keep changing state ... or build the package but never upload it ...
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<otavio>
vagrantc: which arch?
20:50
<vagrantc>
otavio: arm has been built twice now (once today, and once about a week ago), and hppa finished building on october 26th ... and powerpc keeps moving back into dep-wait
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otavio: even though the package that the buildd is waiting on has already progressed into lenny
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otavio: as far as i can read from the logs, nothing looks bad on any of the arm/hppa builds ...
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otavio: http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=ltsp
20:53
m68k is slow, but that's not an issue for lenny
20:54* vagrantc wonders if we shouldn't ignore some architectures
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<vagrantc>
otavio: i guess we can upload the package split to experimental first ...
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<sbalneav>
otavio: You're gonna have to repackage everything though.
20:56
bzr get http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/jetpipe
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: but it will be so much nicer :)
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<sbalneav>
bzr get http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/ldm
20:56
bzr get http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/ltsp
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bzr get http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/ltspfs
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: did you just start totally new branches ?
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<sbalneav>
Everything's broken ATM, but structure
20:57
s there.
20:57
Heck no.
20:57
I ruddy spent most of my day doing bzr mv bzr del
20:57
<vagrantc>
so you forked off the existing branches ?
20:57
<sbalneav>
yup
20:57
<vagrantc>
heh
20:58
<sbalneav>
ldm was the biggest pain in the ass
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<vagrantc>
yeah, i already ran through some of that
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<sbalneav>
since I had to fork the ltsp tree as a whole, and delete everything non ldm related.
20:59
All upstream stuff
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is in the "dist" directory
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make dist in all of them makes a tarball
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"debian" dir is there, but either unpopulated or wrong for all four
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so there's a metric sh*tpot of work left to do.
21:01* vagrantc notes the need to merge the debian branch
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<sbalneav>
You'll not be wanting to merge anything for a while.
21:03
part of localapps has landed in ltsp as well: xrexecd
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gtkgreeter and ldm got merged together,
21:05
vagrantc: how fast could you do an example debian rules thingy in, say, jetpipe?
21:05
Which is pretty simple.
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<otavio>
wow
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: quickest way would be to use cdbs, probably
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pwd
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ls
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<sbalneav>
If you could show me that one, I could probably split up the peices from the "old" ltsptree, and split out ldm, and patch things up for ltspfs, ldm, etc.
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<vagrantc>
but i know some people express reservations about cdbs
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<sbalneav>
I'm tired, and my back hurts. Wahhh
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I know I know
21:08
"Want a little cheese to go with that whine?"
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:)
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<jammcq>
heh
21:08* vagrantc spent an extra 4 hours thinking vagrantc broke freegeek's mailing lists only to discover something else broke mail altogether at the same time
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<otavio>
vagrantc: I like cdbs a lot
21:09
<vagrantc>
otavio: me too.
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<otavio>
vagrantc: and personally use it here at work a lot
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<sbalneav>
What's cdbs
21:09
<otavio>
vagrantc: personally I'd be ok to use it for all ltsp related packages if you don't mind to
21:10
sbalneav: a layer above debhelper to packaging Debian source
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<sbalneav>
Will that be ok with Oli?
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<vagrantc>
otavio: i'd be happy to do so for debian, but i'd like to try and check in with the ubuntu crowd if there are objections
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<sbalneav>
ogra: You there?
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<otavio>
sbalneav: you could see it as: dpkg-* -> debhelper -> cdbs
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<otavio>
ogra: :-)
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: it's essentially a kitchen-sink of building debian packages
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<davidj>
warren: ping
21:11
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: rather than all that craziness in debian/rules you normally see, you can trim it down to just a few lines
21:11
<sbalneav>
OK, so enlighten me. Do it in jetpipe.
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<otavio>
sbalneav: the nicest thing about cdbs is that it's very powerful and easy to use for teams since we can write "helpers" that fit well on it and makes all set of policies possible without much hassle
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<warren>
davidj, ?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so ... to get a source tarball ... ?
21:12
<sbalneav>
make dist in the root repo
21:13
<vagrantc>
wow, .bz2 makes a big difference
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<jammcq>
Gadi: ping
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<otavio>
sbalneav: what's jetpipe?
21:13
<vagrantc>
half the size
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<vagrantc>
otavio: for supporting printing with thin clients
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<Gadi>
jammcq: pong 1 serving 0
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<otavio>
ah
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<davidj>
query warren
21:13
ping
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<sbalneav>
it's the little hpjetdirect widget we supply to make a printer appear on the network.
21:14
might be useful for something else, so packaged separately.
21:14
<vagrantc>
also, hopefully we'll only update it once in a great while ...
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<sbalneav>
right.
21:15
it's fairly simple
21:15
so the Debian stuff should go in the "debian" dir in the root of the repo
21:15
<otavio>
sbalneav: I'd say to _not_ put debian/ theer
21:16
<vagrantc>
otavio: it won't be in the tarball
21:16
<otavio>
sbalneav: leave it outside and on debian/ubuntu only
21:16
<vagrantc>
otavio: just in the bzr repo
21:16
<sbalneav>
it won't be in the tarball that way.
21:16
<otavio>
vagrantc: neither on it
21:16
<davidj>
warren: BUS=="usb", SYSFS{product}=="Palm Handheld*|Handspring *", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", NAME="ttyUSB%n", SYMLINK="pilot", GROUP="usb", MODE="0666"
21:16
<otavio>
vagrantc: keep it separated
21:16
upstream / distros
21:16
<sbalneav>
I want it in there.
21:16
<otavio>
sbalneav: why?
21:16
<vagrantc>
as an example
21:16
<sbalneav>
Because.
21:17
That's where I want it.
21:17* vagrantc kind of likes the idea
21:17
<otavio>
sbalneav: you'll be able to merge the branch there .. see no problem
21:17
sbalneav: usually, isn't good to have packaging files on upstream repository
21:18
sbalneav: mostly since it can get outdated
21:18
sbalneav: and so it lose its value
21:18
sbalneav: besides, it confuses who gets the source
21:18
<sbalneav>
We discussed this yesterday between vagrantc, ogra, warren togami, jammcq, and mysel
21:18
<otavio>
sbalneav: since it looksto be part of it
21:18
<sbalneav>
it's an upstream decision
21:18
and that's the way it's gonna be.
21:18
You wanted upstream
21:18
you got it.
21:19
<otavio>
sbalneav: oh .. :(
21:19
sbalneav: I would like to have been invited to this discussion
21:19
<davidj>
I think there's going to be a "fedora" directory, too
21:19
<warren>
otavio, there will be a fedora directory
21:20
otavio, although within dist, not outside it like debian.
21:20
<vagrantc>
within dist ?
21:20
<warren>
(ogra wanted it outside for some reason)
21:20
<sbalneav>
You weren't around, vagrantc was.
21:20* vagrantc would like it outside
21:20
<otavio>
well ... it has been decided without me so I doesn't look that I'm helping discussing it
21:21* otavio goes to something else
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
21:21
<warren>
otavio, what exactly do you dislike about this?
21:22
<vagrantc>
warren: i definitely don't like the idea of some distros including code in dist and some outside ...
21:22
<otavio>
warren: the plugins dirs I agree since they're required to be used all around the distros but _packaging_ is really _specific_ so it ought to not be on upstream
21:22
warren: and you'll end up diverging the code anyway
21:23
<warren>
otavio, LTSP-5 is useless on all distros without distro-specific plugins within the upstream tarball.
21:23
<otavio>
warren: since in sometime in future you'll disaagree with upstream and keep patches
21:23
<warren>
otavio, without those plugins it can't do anything.
21:23
<otavio>
warren: plugins is OK
21:23
warren: packaging and specific things no
21:23
<warren>
oh
21:23
<vagrantc>
warren: packaging and plugins are totally different
21:23
<warren>
otavio, you mean the debian directory shouldn't be here
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<otavio>
warren: neither fedora .spec
21:23
warren: neither what ever _not_ part of tarball
21:24
<warren>
otavio, I think I understand
21:24
<otavio>
warren: upstream repository _need_ to reflect what's the tarball
21:24
sbalneav: sorry but this is the way _I_ see it
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<otavio>
sbalneav: as you said, _you_ are the upstream ... do whatever you want
21:25
<warren>
otavio, I think there is a disconnect here
21:25* jammcq thinks so too
21:25
<otavio>
sbalneav: and wasn't polite to decide it without even talking to me
21:25
<warren>
otavio, yes, .spec wont be in upstream's bzr
21:25
otavio, the equivalent debian/ubuntu to rpm's .spec probably shouldn't either.
21:26
<otavio>
sbalneav: I think I had some important participation on what's now LTSP 5
21:26
sbalneav: it would be repect to ping me
21:26
<warren>
otavio, however I think ogra failed to make a distinction between the packaging recipe and distro specific plugins.
21:26
<sbalneav>
otavio: It was well publicized we were going to be doing this this weekend.
21:26
<otavio>
sbalneav: since we have been asking for it for more then a year
21:26
<warren>
otavio, ogra is the one that wanted the debian directory out of dist
21:26
<sbalneav>
And vagrantc was aware, I assume that debian developers communicate.
21:26
<warren>
otavio, I suspect *a* debian directory containing debian/ubuntu specific plugins belongs in dist
21:26
<otavio>
warren: plugins or packaging?
21:27
<warren>
otavio, but the packaging recipe doesn't belong upstream
21:27
<sbalneav>
And vagrantc WAS there, and was in on this decision, so Debian was represented.
21:27
<otavio>
warren: on plugins there're two: one for debian and another to ubuntu
21:27
sbalneav: it's not Debian
21:27
sbalneav: but upstream work
21:27
sbalneav: and some code was written by me and vagrant
21:28
sbalneav: so looks logical to at least send an e-mail or ask vagrant to ping me
21:28
warren: exactly
21:28
<warren>
otavio, I think the fundamental disconnect is made by ogra's misunderstanding, there is no need for anyone to be upset.
21:28
<vagrantc>
otavio: sorry, i should have told you sooner
21:28
<warren>
otavio, we simply need to disconnect the "debian" directory idea of plugins vs. packaging
21:28
plugins belong in dist, upstream
21:28
<jammcq>
otavio: ya know what.... I should have invited you to LTSP-bts-2007. I take full responsibility for you not knowing that we'd be working on this stuff this weekend
21:28
<warren>
packaging doesn't
21:29
<otavio>
warren: yes. you got it
21:29
<jammcq>
and for that, please accept my appology
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<otavio>
warren: plugins is distro support and it belongs to upstream
21:29
warren: packaging and specific patches doesn't
21:29
<warren>
right ok
21:29
<otavio>
warren: and specific patches _will exist_
21:29
<warren>
in the distro's packaging
21:29* vagrantc tries to get jetpipe to build
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<otavio>
warren: there're a bunch of rpm based distros that will use fedora with patches above
21:31
<warren>
otavio, or they are welcome to create their own distro-specific plugins dir in upstream's bzr
21:31
<otavio>
warren: yes
21:31
warren: but they'll first use fedora as basis
21:31
<warren>
muwhahahahha
21:31
<otavio>
warren: like ubuntu was done when we wrote it in 2006
21:31
<warren>
oh
21:31* warren quit.
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<otavio>
warren: it was first made as changes and then we split it in another plugin dir
21:33
<vagrantc>
the plugins allow for multiple distros to take a look at what other distros are doing, while still remain separate ...
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<otavio>
well .. I think I've make clear what I think ... now I'm gona work on debian-cd
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<otavio>
jammcq: ok, np
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ok, got a quick and dirty debian dir for jetpipe
21:45
sbalneav: it's got some templates left in it, but i think you get the idea
21:49
sbalneav: there's a bazillion other ways to do it
21:49
<sbalneav>
ok, lay it on me.
21:50
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/jetpipe-debian-dir
21:50
<sbalneav>
ldm is so broken.
21:50* vagrantc heads for a sauna
21:50
<jammcq>
you touched it last
21:50
<sbalneav>
Do I merge that with jetpipe? (just being clear)
21:50
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: it's just the debian dir ... not any of the dist stuff
21:51
sbalneav: so you could: bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/jetpipe-debian-dir debian
21:51
sbalneav: from within your unpacked source dir
21:51
<sbalneav>
ah, ok
21:52
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: here's a simple class i taught a while back: http://wiki.freegeek.org/index.php/Basic_Debian_Packaging
21:52
<cliebow>
v agrantc: thank you
21:54
<moquist>
Gadi: moquist@majen.net
21:54
<vagrantc>
we could maybe use the autotools cdbs rules ...
21:54
<otavio>
vagrantc: it's good since it uses it in cross compiling compatible ways and like
21:55
<vagrantc>
otavio: if i wasn't leaving in 5 minutes, i'd play with it a little more :)
21:55* vagrantc isn't real autotools savvy either
21:55
<vagrantc>
that's why there's things like cdbs :)
21:56
<moquist>
sbalneav: would you like a break to answer questions I have that you've probably already answered for yourself, or would that just be an unwelcome distraction?
21:56
<vagrantc>
night all
21:56* vagrantc waves
21:56
<Gadi>
moquist: sent
21:56
<jammcq>
g'nite
21:56
<moquist>
Gadi: k
21:56* Gadi waves to vagrantc
21:56
<Gadi>
and blows kisses
21:56* moquist does the wave
21:56
<Gadi>
and wishes you were here
21:56
<davidj>
vagrantc: 'night!
21:57
<moquist>
vagrantc: buh-bye
21:57
<vagrantc>
Gadi: another time...
21:57
<Gadi>
vagrantc: bring the sauna
21:57
;)
21:57
<vagrantc>
heh
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