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Channel log from 28 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<elias_a>
Good after christmas life, folks!
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<elias_a>
ls
06:39
oops...
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<Nerrey>
Русские есть тут ?
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<Appiah>
hmm
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<Appiah>
in english?
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<alkisg>
google translate says: "Russian is here"
08:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
08:27
that makes it tough
08:27
<alkisg>
Nerrey: Большинство людей здесь говорят только на английском языке
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<alkisg>
(I hope google translate works well... :P)
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<Appiah>
:D
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<_UsUrPeR_>
heh
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:49
<alkisg>
Hi sbalneav
09:49
<highvoltage>
hi sbalneav and alkisg
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<alkisg>
Hi highvoltage, good to see you in #ltsp :P :D
09:50
<highvoltage>
:)
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<cliebow>
anyone elaborate on cdrtools...xcdroast..in karmic?
12:17
<johnny>
?
12:17
what kinda question is that?
12:17
xcdroast should be dead by now right?
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<cliebow>
it is surely dead here
12:21
i didnt get the newsflash
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<johnny>
it's way outmoded
12:23
not sure what you mean about cdrtools?
12:23
cdrtools was replaced by cdrkit awhile ago as well
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altho some distros might have gone back to cdrtools. hard to say
12:24
had to do with the original author being weird.. and the potential relicensing to CDDL
12:24
cliebow, this stuff happened in the last 3 years..
12:24
so. it's been awhile
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<cliebow>
yeah i been reading abvout the forks and knives
12:25
<johnny>
cliebow, so yeah.. use brasero on gnome or k3b on kde..
12:25
pretend to forget you ever knew about xcdroast
12:25
<cliebow>
yep.. i just made a coaster..gonna try again..
12:26
it worked awesome for me.. i burned the cd for karmic on it..
12:26
so no wonder it is scrapped..
12:27
<johnny>
from what distro?
12:27
i'm suprised distros had it even as recently as hardy
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<cliebow>
ohh this is karmic
12:27
easy enough to install
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<johnny>
?
12:28
i thought xcdroast disappeard before hardy is what i mean..
12:28
brasero has been the default for a long time
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<cliebow>
i just apt-get install xcdroast and there it was
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<johnny>
i use it pretty often myself..
12:28
altho for burning isos.. i just right click em
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and choose burn
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<cliebow>
freaking thing locked up..
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<vagrantc>
wahooo!
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with qemu-user-static installed from debian/sid, and ltsp from debian/squeeze, you can install an armel LTSP chroot from other architectures out of the box.
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<johnny>
and the same for ppc right?
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<vagrantc>
well, almost out of the box. you still have to specify an appropriate kernel.
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johnny: i haven't found any architectures that work other than armel, though the theory is the same.
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johnny: it's a limitation in qemu... as soon as other architectures work with qemu, the same technique should work.
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<johnny>
ah..
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i thought ppc did work with qemu..
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tha'ts sad
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but i guess people care more about arm now
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<vagrantc>
i'd most like to see powerpc and mips* support working, but it's a bit over my head to figure out what's wrong.
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i'd really like to get my hands on an armel thin client and/or netbook to test it for real.
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<johnny>
what does armel mean to debian anyways?
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<vagrantc>
the proof of concept for this i did with a sheevaplug
14:47
johnny: ?
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<johnny>
does armel just mean arm?
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or what?
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don't they have different arm arches?
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vagrantc, if it means any arm.. i'd recommend that you get yourself a beagleboard or the like
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<vagrantc>
it's little-endian, which i guess all newer arm and most older arm hardware supports
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<johnny>
or get ogra to swipe something from canonical :)
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<vagrantc>
but i'd guess ogra_ would know better than i
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<moldy>
hi
15:59
from the ltsp server, i want to run a program on the x display of a logged in user. is this possible?
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when i try to run e.g. zenity with the --display option, i get a "cannot open display" error
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<sbalneav>
Are you using LDM_DIRECTX?
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<moldy>
sbalneav: no
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is ssh standing in my way here?
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<sbalneav>
Then no, I don't think you'll be able to.
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<moldy>
but with ldm_directx, it will work?
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<sbalneav>
You'll want to use the notification system.
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moldy: Well, if you modify the terminal's access rights with xhost, it will
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<moldy>
which one? how does the notification system do its job?
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<sbalneav>
This has been answered several times on the ltsp-discussed lists.
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have a look in the ltsp-discuss archives.
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<moldy>
ok, i will, thank you. any hints on what terms i should search for?
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<alkisg>
moldy: wouldn't localapps do the job here?
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<moldy>
i need a "generic" solution
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<alkisg>
Is that for tcm-ng?
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<moldy>
yep
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<alkisg>
Is that only for logged on users?
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<moldy>
i am just beginning to look at this problem. yes, only for logged on users
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i thought "zenity --display" would do the job
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<alkisg>
Weren't we talking some months ago about the /proc/environ grepping for display etc?
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<moldy>
yes, i think so
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<alkisg>
Other than that (which works fine), a listener would probably be the best choice..
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<moldy>
i havn't worked on tcm for a long time, until yesterday... now i did some major overhauling and am just looking at that stuff again
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<alkisg>
I've changed that code to look for dbus, so that it supposedly works in other DEs as well
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<sbalneav>
GOOGLE IS SO HARD!!!
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http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36833.html
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bingo
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<moldy>
sbalneav: i was fighting with the sourceforge list archives interface :)
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<alkisg>
pid=$(pgrep -u $user dbus-daemon)
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display=$(sudo cat /proc/$pid/environ | tr "\000" "\n" | sed -n 's/^DISPLAY=//p')
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That works better for me...
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dbus-daemon instead of metacity
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And the user list: users=$(users | xargs -n 1 echo | uniq | grep -v $(whoami))
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<moldy>
no success yet, i am still missing something it seems
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<alkisg>
moldy: give the commands and their output one by one
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Did you get $display correctly?
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<moldy>
rebooting the client at the moment to double-check ldm_directx
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ltsp-update-image inside virtualbox is kinda slow ;)
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<alkisg>
Why do you need to run ltsp-update-image?
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To change directx?!!!
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<moldy>
i am running it to enable root login via ssh so i can verify that lts.conf is being picked up ;)
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<alkisg>
You can run "ltsp-localapps xterm" for that
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<vagrantc>
or SCREEN_07=shell
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<alkisg>
Or even set SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm
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<vagrantc>
if it pops up LDM, then it's definitely not reading lts.conf
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<alkisg>
(agh vagrantc got me I typed more stuff :P)
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<moldy>
alkisg: yeah, but i don't have localapps enabled yet, nor xterm installed i think :)
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but it has lts.conf, just checked
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<alkisg>
localapps are enabled by default
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xterm is also installed by default
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(you're on ubuntu, right?)
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<moldy>
yep, 9.10
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ah, didn't know that
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i get 2 pids for metacity, maybe that is the problem
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<alkisg>
Try dbus-daemon
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It works better for me
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<moldy>
gives 2 pids as well, but well, no problem :)
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<alkisg>
You've logged on twice?
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Ah, you rebooted the client and the processes weren't killed...
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<moldy>
maybe, the utmp-related stuff only shows the user once though
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alright, it seems to work now... thanks, that should get me going
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<mgariepy>
hi everybody
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<stgraber>
hey mgariepy
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