IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 May 2013   (all times are UTC)

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06:52
<Piscuek>
Hi all. After install gnome-media as localapp, when I try to launch it I get Jack server not found, but if I run it not using localapps I can get sound normally. Edubuntu is running on Vmware ESXi
06:52
any idea?
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09:22
<Joanet>
problem solved installing gstreamer0.10-x and gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio plugins
09:22
bye
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10:39* DJUnreal mutters about tapes and how stupidly long the inner tape itself is
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13:27
<lifeboy>
All you people that run Debian LTSP servers, what else does one do to built a client except "ltsp-build-client -a i386"?
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13:32
<unkmar>
Hi, good morning.
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13:33
<unkmar>
lifeboy: What are you going for?
13:34
What is your network setup? you doing DHCP, dnsmasq, tftp, ltsp, and all on one system?
13:37
<lifeboy>
All that works. A 64bit Ubuntu Precise server, with LTSP. My clients don't support 'cmov' so Alkisg: suggested I build a 'wheezy' chroot and copy it to Ubuntu, run "ltsp-update-image -a i386" (which fixes the NFS of debain to use NBD of Ubuntu) and that works. The clients boot, but only to a Debian command line logon prompt
13:38
unkmar: Yes all one server.
13:50* unkmar holds back sarcasm about Ubuntu.
13:51
<unkmar>
I haven't done an All in One install. My DHCP was via pfsense. However, Looks like you have most of everything workin.
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14:17
<unkmar>
ok, Was on phone with bro.
14:21
ltsp-chroot dpkg --get-selections
14:21
NO
14:21
ltsp-chroot dpkg --get-selections | grep xorg
14:22
I'm wanting to know if X is installed on the clients.
14:26* DJUnreal grins
14:26* DJUnreal sits back and pets his Debian 7.0 build
14:27
<unkmar>
DJUnreal: yeah, bite me. I gotta fix my Debian desktop system. :( miserably failed upgrade ):
14:27
At least Wheezy is working wonderfully for the ltsp server. :)
14:28
Fresh install. No upgrade happened there.
14:28* DJUnreal bites unkmar on the neck
14:28
<unkmar>
LOL
14:28* DJUnreal recommends NEVER doing an upgrade... back up files, flatten and reinstall and then restore files
14:28
<unkmar>
Will that turn me into an unreal boy? Sorta like pinnochio?
14:28
<DJUnreal>
no... but it may make things a little fuzzy
14:29
especially as the blood drains
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14:30
<DJUnreal>
For What It's Worth i have a build of debian just running ltsp-server-standalone (and the associated gumph you get with it)
14:30
<unkmar>
DJUnreal: I tend to chant that same sentiment despite the other geniuses telling me they have never had upgrade problems. I guess they've either done hundreds on nearly identical setups or a handful in the wild.
14:30
<DJUnreal>
now i've got no issue with an apt-get dist-upgrade
14:30
that works well usually
14:30
but i've only ever done it between minor revisions
14:30
<unkmar>
That is what I attempted and... it didn't work for me. :(
14:30
<DJUnreal>
ie squeeze to squeeze
14:31
i've never done anything like wheezy to squeeze, for example
14:31
<unkmar>
OH, well, I was trying to move from squeeze to wheezy.
14:31
<DJUnreal>
that's /always/ a fresh build
14:31
i'm more than happy to do dist-upgrade for kernel releases etc
14:32
<unkmar>
So, how do you like the new default Window Manager or whatever that is?
14:32* DJUnreal hasn't looked at it enough to know yet
14:32
<DJUnreal>
but then we have a very particular way of doing things with our 'play' environment
14:32
incidentally... LTSP for me is a hobby/project rather than a job
14:32
<unkmar>
It doesn't feel impossible to use to me. Just really weird. Kind of like switching from Windows to mac. But that is definately not like a mac.
14:33
<DJUnreal>
and yet i'm still on enterprise class infrastructure
14:33* DJUnreal needs to work out how to add a second server into the mix
14:33
<DJUnreal>
i've got NIS and NFS set up to work
14:33
and by work, I mean NFS shares out /home as well as /opt/ltsp
14:33
NIS is working nicely
14:34
secondary server has a /local_home for the local admin account
14:34
and mounts /home via NFS from the primary server for the client accounts
14:34* unkmar googles NIS.
14:34
<DJUnreal>
kinda like LDAP etc but smaller and simpler
14:34
just means that the secondary server authenticates user logins against the primary
14:34
instead of against its local database
14:40
<unkmar>
Ah. That is why I like asking people. They can usually summarize the only summaries into geek speak. :)
14:40
*the online summaries
14:41
Greatly reducing research time.
14:45* DJUnreal agrees
14:45
<DJUnreal>
you can run multiple NIS slave servers if you need to
14:45
almost like 'repeaters
14:45
'
14:45
but they all update based on the NIS master
14:46
all i need to do now though... is get my head around what i need to do to prepare my secondary server for LTSP serving
14:46
<muppis>
Which distro still supports NIS? Afaik it was dropped from Ubuntu while ago?
14:47
<DJUnreal>
works fine in debian 7
14:47
works fine in CentOS too
14:47
and RedHat
14:47
and therefore probably Fedora as well
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14:55
<muppis>
It still works in Ubuntu fine as well, no question from that. :) I just installed new Ubuntu -server with NIS last week. Canonical just does not longer support it officially.
14:55
<DJUnreal>
ahh
14:55
well that's just canonical being g!ts
14:55
<muppis>
Looks like. :)
14:55
<DJUnreal>
NIS is a very good and simple way of doing things on a small scale
14:56
<muppis>
So we can think small scale is not what Canonical has in mind.
14:56
<DJUnreal>
nah...
14:57
Canonical are trying to save themselves as much work as possible
14:57
hence their dropping of >6 months of support on non-LTR versions
14:57
<muppis>
Who wouldn't.
14:59
<DJUnreal>
true
14:59
but it's gonna piss off a bunch of users
14:59
mostly those who don't wish to upgrade every 6 months and spend hours messing about reconfiguring all their settings
14:59
<muppis>
Sure thing.
15:00
That's why we still got servers running 8.04 at work.
15:00
<DJUnreal>
ok... that /is/ bad
15:00
<muppis>
I'm working on it to get rid of them.
15:01
<DJUnreal>
good man
15:01
or woman
15:01
or non-descript-other-entity
15:01
<muppis>
Man. :D
15:01
<lifeboy>
unkmar: I don't have the last step working, the GUI part that should connect to the server and allow the client to log in. :-(
15:03
<DJUnreal>
muppis: you may be able to help me actually (although I can't do my testing for another couple of hours)
15:04
<muppis>
DJUnreal, shoot.
15:04* DJUnreal has built a nice happy LTSP master server, which hands out images fine and allows clients to boot (customisation of THAT baby will come later)
15:04
<DJUnreal>
i've exported /home as well as /opt/ltsp through NFS, set up NIS appropriately, and got my users created
15:05
got my second server built and configured to mount /home from the primary server, pick up users through NIS, and given it a local home for the admin user just so i've got a failsafe
15:05
it also mounts /opt/ltsp from the primary server
15:05
how much of LTSP do i need to actually install on the second server to get it to act as an extra 'login server'?
15:06* DJUnreal couldn't see anything about exactly what steps need taking to make it happen in the LTSP manual
15:07
<muppis>
Are looking for a load or client balacing?
15:07
<lifeboy>
unkmar: Sorry, missed your earlier question: yes, X is installed. http://pastebin.com/TiZkgtMh
15:08
<DJUnreal>
muppis: ideally load balancing, although I fully expect the users will max out both servers anyway
15:08
basically... we run cybercafes for kids using LTSP
15:08
and we usually end up running about 20 machines
15:09
which severely upsets a single server, even with dual hyperthreaded x64 CPUs and 5GB RAM
15:09
so I need to add another server to the mix to stop the kids killing it so easily
15:10
<muppis>
DJUnreal, client balacing might be little easier to do. Load bacaling comes a little bit of side effect of that.
15:10
<DJUnreal>
that works
15:11
i'm good for either really... i just need to split some of the stuff off the master server
15:12
but there's no clear guide that i could find on how to add another server to the cluster
15:12
<muppis>
You need set two LTSP enviroments and use client mac addresses to point them to specific server. You can use common /opt/ltsp as you're already set up.
15:13
<DJUnreal>
okay... so i need to install the ltsp server stuff on the second machine then
15:13
<muppis>
Yes.
15:13
<DJUnreal>
but not DHCP or TFTP as they come from the primary?
15:13
or do i still need TFTP anyway?
15:14
<muppis>
No really, but would be easier and failsafe to make them only share users.
15:16
Can be overdoing, but replacting home dirs with DRBD could be nice thing to do, if there's are data which need to be saved.
15:16
Replicating..
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15:20
<muppis>
But basically you need to set up two enviroments for easy to maintain. It can sound stupid keep two separate enviroments in same room, but it gives up failsafe.
15:24* muppis now heads to house keeping jobs..
15:24
<unkmar>
muppis: unfortunately I still have a server running 6.06 and another running 8.04 :(
15:28
lifeboy: you have a gui installed, you are able to login via the cli, but you never see a GUI login?
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<DJUnreal>
muppis: thanks for that. I'm kinda thinking that keeping TFTP and DHCP on one host only is the safest way, and just redirecting clients to one or the other server for their logins will be the most sensible way. I'll have a play tonight!
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15:47
<anivair>
Morning. Anyone know why ltsp is currently using ics-dhcp-server? I'm not familiar with it, but I saw that it didn't try to start when I installed the ltsp-server-standalone
15:47
should I install dhcp3, or just work with this as is?
16:02
<DJUnreal>
isc-dhcp-server is the replacement for dhcp3
16:02
it's effectively the same thing under a different name
16:03
<anivair>
Fair. I'll go ahead with it, then.
16:05
<DJUnreal>
works fine and has been like that for a year now
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<muppis>
DJUnreal, good luck.
16:19
<anivair>
so I've modified /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf. Do I also need to modify /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf? I can't get the dhcp server to start./
16:24
<muppis>
You shouldn't need to. Startup script/conf checks exitens of /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and uses it instead of /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf. Maybe there something else which prevents starting like in file /etc/default/dhcp or similar.
16:24
/etc/default/dhcpd
16:24
<anivair>
I'll check
16:29
<unkmar>
I have 3 problems. I need to setup printers. I don't know how to. And I don't want to know how to. :(
16:29
<anivair>
hehehe
16:30
I hate printers
16:30
<muppis>
>)
16:30
<unkmar>
The last 2 conflict with the first one. :P
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16:32
<unkmar>
The printers are already on the network. I just have to add them to the fat-clients
16:32
<anivair>
only this in /etc/default/ics-dhcp-server is INTERFACES="eth0"
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16:32
<muppis>
anivair, what's error when starting the daemon?
16:33
<anivair>
.... umm .... it just started when i tried to see the error.
16:33
I literally made no changes
16:34
stupid computers
16:34
<muppis>
Welcome aboard. :)
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16:45
<James_Epp>
Has anyone ever got iTALC to work with LTSP?
16:46
<vagrantc>
it has happened, but some people wrote epoptes instead
16:46
!epoptes
16:46
<ltsp>
epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
16:48
<James_Epp>
vagrantc: Thank you muchly! A true gentleman and a scholar!
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17:12
<unkmar>
vagrantc: Any chance of helping me with adding printers to the fat clients?
17:12
Really, just one printer for them all.
17:13
<muppis>
unkmar, configure it to one client and then copy cups.conf to chroot, rebuild image.
17:13
<unkmar>
Network printer. Not local printer.
17:13
muppis: soo.... A cups.conf will end up in the ~/location?
17:15
<muppis>
Usually /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
17:20
<lifeboy>
unkmar: Yes, on completing the boot process, the thin client only displays a debian login prompt
17:21
<unkmar>
is that a GUI login or CLI.
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<anivair>
does anyone know if the disklessworkstations thin clients care if I build the environment with arch i386 or not?
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17:41
<unkmar>
you choose your arch for your clients separate from the server itself using --arch amd64 OR i386.
17:42
man cups sucks
17:42
<muppis>
Use https://localhost:631
17:42
<unkmar>
muppis: isn't working in the client. Tried that.
17:43
<alkisg>
unkmar: on your server, you add the printer via GUI, and check "share printers" again in the CUPS GUI...
17:43
No configuration is needed on the client side
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17:43
<unkmar>
alkisg: sounds great. WHERE IN TH... sorry. Where in the gui.
17:43
<alkisg>
Which desktop environment are you using?
17:43
<unkmar>
lxde
17:44
<catpig_work>
quick question, anyone happen to know how quickly the ML archive at marc.info updates? I sent a message about 5 or 6h ago and it's not showing up there, getting worried it may have gotten lost along the way ;)
17:44
<alkisg>
unkmar: In gnome, it's `system-config-printer`, no idea about lxde, maybe https://localhost:631 on the server will work, otherwise use cupsctl
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17:45
<alkisg>
catpig_work: marc.info? about ltsp-discuss? why not check the sourceforge archive instead?
17:45
<catpig_work>
alkisg, good idea
17:45
<alkisg>
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=ltsp-discuss
17:46
<catpig_work>
i used marc.info because that's what's linked at the ltsp site
17:46
ty
17:46
<alkisg>
Really? We should change that, then...
17:46
<catpig_work>
assuming ltsp.org is indeed the official site
17:46
<alkisg>
It is... Hyperbyte ^
17:47
http://www.ltsp.org/support/ => Search the Archives => point to sf
17:49
<unkmar>
so
17:50
I have httpP://localhost:631 and it want user and pass.
17:50
<alkisg>
Try the root pass
17:50
<anivair>
building environment now. Wish me luck. I built this machine from scratch, so I feel obligated to ensure it runs optimally
17:51* DJUnreal stretches from the comfort of his living room
17:51
<anivair>
(and yes, the localhost:631 should play nice with the root password)
17:51
(on ubuntu or debian, you may actually have to temporarily set a root password and then remove it afterward)
17:51
<unkmar>
root doesn't have a password, root doesn't have an account. Using sudo -s So..
17:52
<alkisg>
Set a root password then
17:52
<anivair>
I manage it locally by temporarily setting a root password
17:52
<unkmar>
May have to hack as in. I hate printers
17:52
Linus is right. people have gotten printer controls All wrong.
17:53
<anivair>
printers are garbage
17:54
<muppis>
And where we would be without CUPS?
17:54
<unkmar>
for some reason, companies like to pass little pieces of paper with text on it around.
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<unkmar>
while true; do echo 'CUPS password protection is stupid'; done
18:01
<muppis>
So you want your users to be able mess up with cups settings?
18:01
<unkmar>
My users don't even know what CUPS is
18:01
How can mess with something they don't know exists?
18:01
<muppis>
They will, when they start printing..
18:02
<unkmar>
No they won't. They will happily click a little print button and collect there pretty paper.
18:02
when it doesn't work. They'll come to me.
18:03
<muppis>
I was just writing about that. :)
18:08
<DJUnreal>
Dear LAN switch stack, please stop failing to boot and actually work properly. I'd really prefer it if I could avoid needing to load a serial console or warm-reset the system every time I want you to work. Yours Sincerely, DJUnreal
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<DJUnreal>
ahh
18:27
least my uplinks are working nicely
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18:48
<DJUnreal>
argh
18:48
for pete's sake
18:48
looks like i just cooked a VRM
18:55
<unkmar>
Really? the only user reachable by remote is root?
18:55
Looks like this system WILL have a root password.
18:57
<alkisg>
You can remove it after a few minutes... or you can use cupsctl
19:02
<lifeboy>
needs to check the IRC screen more often...
19:02
sorry, wrong channel!
19:03
<alkisg>
lifeboy: how did you copy your chroot? are the file/devices permissions correct?
19:03
E.g. pastebin the output of this: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/wheezy/ ls -lha /dev
19:07
<anivair>
hrm .... PXE-T01: File Not Found ..... that's a bother
19:07
I just installed the build client
19:08
"ltsp-build-client"
19:08
looks like it ran just fine
19:10
<alkisg>
anivair: distro/version?
19:10
<anivair>
ubuntu 12.04. I'm testing on some of hte old red diskless workstations clients
19:11
<alkisg>
On the server: sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
19:11
And pastebin the output...
19:12
<anivair>
IP-Config: eth0 hardware address 30:85:a9:a5:a1:5a mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
19:13
now it's sort of hanging
19:13
I'll start the clients again
19:13
<unkmar>
do I need to reboot for it to work?
19:13
<anivair>
( I assume this is showing me log data?)
19:14
<alkisg>
anivair: no, it should show a possible dhcp lease
19:14
Are you using 2 NICs?
19:14
<anivair>
I am
19:14
100.100.100.1 and 100.100.100.4
19:14
<alkisg>
Then put eth1 there instead
19:14
<anivair>
I can pull one
19:14
<alkisg>
Ctrl+C the previous one...
19:14
<anivair>
I've never used 2 nics on a server before. I was trying something new
19:14
<DJUnreal>
bah
19:14
VRM is properly cooked
19:15
<alkisg>
anivair: we're looking for the filename part, e.g.: IP-Config: wlan0 complete (from 192.168.1.254):
19:15
... rootserver: 192.168.1.254 rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i386
19:15
filename : /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
19:15
<anivair>
^Crossman@ltsp:~$ sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth1
19:15
IP-Config: eth1 hardware address 30:85:a9:a5:a1:5b mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
19:15
IP-Config: eth1 complete (from 100.100.100.1):
19:15
address: 100.100.100.122 broadcast: 100.100.100.255 netmask: 255.255.255.0
19:15
gateway: 100.100.100.254 dns0 : 100.100.100.1 dns1 : 0.0.0.0
19:15
domain : ltsp
19:15
rootserver: 100.100.100.1 rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i386
19:15
filename : /ltsp/i386/nbi.img
19:15
<alkisg>
nbi is broken
19:15
Also, did you build an i386 chroot, or an amd64 one?
19:15
<anivair>
I built sans arch
19:16
ltsp-build-client
19:16
<alkisg>
ls -lha /opt/ltsp/images will tell you
19:16
Do you see i386.img there, or amd64.img?
19:16
<anivair>
should be 64
19:16
... it is
19:16
<alkisg>
Then, update your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match your arch
19:16
..and, remove the if ... filename=nbi.img part
19:16
Force pxelinux.0 instead, because nbi is broken
19:17
If the client is too old, it might not work with amd64 though...
19:17
...in that case you'll need to rebuild with --arch=i386
19:19
<anivair>
how would you pull nbi? Just have both options default to pxe, or rewrite the whole if else statement?
19:20
<alkisg>
comment out all the if statement, except for the filename=pxelinux part
19:20
You can also make both options default to pxelinux, that would work too...
19:21
Remember to restart dhcpd after the edit
19:21
<anivair>
okay .... restarted. Here goes again
19:22
<lifeboy>
alkisg: I tarred the directory, copied it and untarred it. http://pastebin.com/pQVuyVRs
19:23
<anivair>
yeah, still no file found. My guess is that they will need the i386
19:23
<alkisg>
lifeboy: seems ok, try with just SCREEN_07=shell, and inside the terminal there, startx
19:23
<anivair>
I'll rebuild
19:23
<alkisg>
anivair: no
19:23
The error message would be "kernel not supported by processor" or similar
19:23
Pastebin your dhcpd.conf
19:23
!pastebin
19:23
<ltsp>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
19:25
<anivair>
sure
19:26
http://pastebin.com/aVzzBt04
19:27
<alkisg>
anivair: line 14, change i386 to amd64
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19:27
<anivair>
! derp .... why did I not see that?
19:27
<ltsp>
Error: "derp" is not a valid command.
19:27
<anivair>
derp derp
19:28
I'm dumb
19:29
<alkisg>
What does the client say now?
19:30
<anivair>
still working on it
19:30
I started the rebuild too early (jumped the gun) so I'll have to build it basck to amd64
19:30
<alkisg>
anivair: nah
19:30
stop any builds and just try the new dhcpd file
19:30
The client will have enough data to tell you if it supports amd64 and pxelinux
19:30
So that you don't do many tests without results...
19:31
(only /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/pxelinux.0 is needed to test the client...)
19:31
E.g. if the client is tooooo old, and doesn't support pxelinux.0 at all, then you'll need a much older version than 12.04, one that supports nbi... e.g. 8.04
19:32
Or, if it doesn't support amd64, you'll know that you need to build -a i386
19:32
<anivair>
they support pxe for sure. these are machines that currently work on my ltsp server
19:32
but i"ll let you know is a second
19:34
oh ... also I still have an amd64 image anyway
19:34
so that will help
19:37
that was a long way to walk to eat shit. Connecting fine, but the processors in those are i686, so it looks like I need to put all the i386 stuff back ... that said, once I do it should work
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19:38
<alkisg>
So the message was that the kernel doesn't support this processor? yup, go for i386 then
19:38
ltsp-build-client -a i386
19:38
<anivair>
yeah
19:38
but that is a vast improvement
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19:38
<anivair>
thanks for putting backup eyes on my lame typoes
19:39
<alkisg>
np :)
19:45
<anivair>
well ... that's a bother.
19:45
booted into Busybox screen
19:45
hrm
19:46
not sure what that's about
19:46
it did look like it was loading fine
19:46
<lifeboy>
alkisg: X starts, but into a very rudimentary X screen with a prompt: "roland@(non):~S"
19:47
<alkisg>
lifeboy: ok, then it's not an X issue. Try again with this:
19:47
!screen_08
19:47
<ltsp>
screen_08: To get a root shell on a Debian thin client, put SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_08=shell and SCREEN_DEFAULT=07 to lts.conf.
19:53
<anivair>
additional info: I tested one of the most recent boxes from disklessworkstations. It also booted to Busybox though a) with a cleaner interface and b) I had a different loading splashscreen
19:53
<DJUnreal>
double bah
19:54
now my server's playing silly
19:54
<anivair>
the old box gave me a 12.04 screen. this one says ubuntu normally
19:54
same result in both cases
19:54
so i'm guessing it's not an nbd isue (which I feared)
19:54
<lifeboy>
I only had SCREEN_07=ldm of those three. However, there is no SCREEN_07 (at least ctrl-alt-F7 doesn't switch to it, so could it be that /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf is not being "read" by the client?
19:55
alkisg:
19:56
<alkisg>
lifeboy: getltscfg -a on the client
19:58
<lifeboy>
LTSP_CONFIG="True"
19:58
SCREEN_07="ldm"
19:58
export LTSP_CONFIG
19:58
exports SCREEN_07
19:58
thanks all
19:58
thats all, I meant
19:59
<alkisg>
No SCREEN_08 part?
19:59
<lifeboy>
export SCREEN_07
19:59
no
19:59
<anivair>
hrm .... should I HAVE an lts.conf file?
19:59
<alkisg>
lifeboy: Pastebin your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf and /opt/ltsp/wheezy/etc/lts.conf
20:00
anivair: it's not required to boot clients, no
20:00
<anivair>
then i'm at a loss
20:00
sadly
20:00
busybox is pretty, but not ideal
20:00
<alkisg>
anivair: I didn't understand your current issue, are you trying with your older server, or the new ltsp-build-client -a i386 one?
20:00
<anivair>
I'm using the i386 on the new box (production server still works)
20:01
<alkisg>
anivair: output of cat /proc/cmdline in the busybox shell?
20:01
<anivair>
I made the changes before to i386. It tries to boot and gets data, but once everything loads it goes into busybox
20:01
<alkisg>
Did ltsp-build-client -a i386 finished so soon? weird..
20:01
It usually takes 20 minutes or so..
20:05
<lifeboy>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/dGzxQ1mC
20:06
<anivair>
ro initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/nbd0 init=sbin/init-ltsp quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handofef=7 nbdroot=:ltsp_i386 BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz
20:06
<lifeboy>
alkisg: it looks like it only reads the chroot lts.conf
20:06
<anivair>
(whew!)
20:06
looks like I might have been wrong about it not being nbd
20:06
<alkisg>
lifeboy: yes, are you using any non-standard dhcp setup?
20:06
<lifeboy>
dnsmasq
20:06
<alkisg>
in proxy mode?
20:06
<lifeboy>
no
20:07
I'll pastebin my dnsmasq config file?
20:07
<alkisg>
The lts.conf location is calculated based on the boot filename, yeah ok do that ^
20:07
anivair: some of these options are inappropriate for debian chroots
20:07
Remove splash plymouth and vt.handoff
20:08
<anivair>
Yeah ... not sure where they came from
20:08
it's a brand new system. clean install and everything
20:08
<alkisg>
anivair: ah wait a second
20:08
Sorry I mixed your case with lifeboy's
20:08
<anivair>
heh
20:08
figured
20:08
it's an ubuntu system. 12.04
20:09
<alkisg>
!quietsplash
20:09
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'quietsplash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'quiet-splash'
20:09
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
20:09
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
20:09
<lifeboy>
alkisg: my dnsmasq config http://pastebin.com/VPq5VHui
20:09
<alkisg>
anivair: do that ^ and then check for errors before the busybox shell, e.g. nbd errors
20:10
lifeboy: tail -F /var/log/syslog, then reboot the client, and check where it searches for lts.conf
20:13
<lifeboy>
alkisg: "authenticated mount request from 172.16.0.20:936 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp/i386)". Is that what I'm looking for?
20:14
<alkisg>
lifeboy: ah sorry you're not using dnsmasq for the tftp server... are you using tftpd-hpa?
20:14
I think tftpd-hpa needs a "--verbose" option to enable logging...
20:14
<lifeboy>
yes
20:15
<anivair>
alkisg: here's the nbd stuff: Setting up nbd client: Error: Socket failed: Connection refused
20:15
<alkisg>
lifeboy: (or just remove tftpd-hpa and enable-tftp in dnsmasq)
20:15
anivair: ls -l /opt/ltsp/images ==> pastebin,
20:15
<anivair>
Also (if it matters): /scripts/init-bottom/ltsp: line 27: panic: not fouind
20:15
<alkisg>
and, sudo service nbd-server restart
20:16
<anivair>
http://pastebin.com/gZYfhSGE
20:17
http://pastebin.com/uRFgZmXm
20:17
<alkisg>
anivair: finally, grep -rv '^#|^$' /etc/nbd-server ==> pastebin
20:17
and reboot client...
20:18
<anivair>
http://pastebin.com/kDzFXWFR
20:18
rebooting
20:23
okay, progress. got to a login screen. Logged it. It gave me a desktop background, but no desktop interface
20:23
but a pretty screen is a step in the right direction, i guess
20:23
<lifeboy>
I'm not sure what I should be looking for? http://pastebin.com/cyy2CEkj
20:23
alkisg:
20:24
<alkisg>
!unity2d
20:24
<ltsp>
Error: "unity2d" is not a valid command.
20:24
<alkisg>
!unity
20:24
<ltsp>
Error: "unity" is not a valid command.
20:24
<alkisg>
!ubuntu2d
20:24
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'ubuntu2d', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ubuntu-2d', 'ubuntu'
20:24
<alkisg>
!ubuntu-2d
20:24
<ltsp>
ubuntu-2d: To select ubuntu-2d as your default session, put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
20:24
<alkisg>
anivair: probably a problem with unity, try this ^
20:25
<anivair>
hrm .... no lts.conf still
20:25
I can copy the old one over, though
20:25
nm, there it is
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<anivair>
should I create that lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 or just use the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc?
20:27
<alkisg>
tftpboot
20:27
<anivair>
deal
20:29
<alkisg>
lifeboy: do you have access to the client console? E.g. an unlocked root account to login to? If so, try this there: tftp server -c get /ltsp/i386/lts.conf /tmp/lts.conf
20:29
It appears that the client doesn't request an lts.conf at all, which is very weird
20:31
<lifeboy>
alkisg: I added my tftp config to that pastebin http://pastebin.com/cyy2CEkj
20:32
<alkisg>
lifeboy: and the output of ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
20:32
<lifeboy>
Maybe I should remove the whole of LTSP, clean the directories of any remnants and re-install it. The /opt/ltsp stays if I do that, doesn't it?
20:33
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/dGzxQ1mC
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20:33
<alkisg>
Not grep, ls
20:34
<anivair>
alkisg: sadly, no change.
20:34
<lifeboy>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1741 May 7 21:50 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
20:35
<alkisg>
lifeboy: I don't think reinstalling will help...
20:35
anivair: did you put [Default] on top of lts.conf ?
20:35
<anivair>
ahh .... of course not
20:35
thanks
20:36
<lifeboy>
I'm feel a bit like looking for needle in a haystack, but I suppose you have a better grasp on the various components of LTSP
20:36
<alkisg>
lifeboy: get a root shell on the client to debug this, e.g. by setting a root password in the chroot + running ltsp-update-image
20:36
<lifeboy>
I have that already
20:36
<alkisg>
Then what's the output of the tftp command I said above?
20:36
tftp server -c get /ltsp/i386/lts.conf /tmp/lts.conf
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<lifeboy>
sorry, didn't see that earlier
20:40
it seems to didn't set a root password... gimme a moment
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<anivair>
alkisg: I'm in on the new box. the old boxes are still giving me graphics problems, but I'm going ot table that till tomorrow because my eyes are about to bleed out of my skull
20:44
thanks for the help
20:44
<alkisg>
np, /me waves
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20:52
<lifeboy>
alkisg: I can't cut and paste from the client, but essentially it copied the file over correctly and it is the lts.conf that contains my settings
20:54* lifeboy also needs to continue tomorrow
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<DJUnreal>
woohoo!
21:36
an hour or so, a full chassis swap and a bit of software jiggery-pokery later, and I've got my second server back in the game!
21:38
<unkmar>
kill kill kill
21:38
Um,
21:39
I'm able to add printers but..... Nothing works right. In some cases the printer isn't seen.
21:39
In other cases, print jobs spit out gibberish. So, something is lost in translation.
21:40
And I've burned an entire day on this mess.
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<unkmar>
I'm done fighting linux lpr cupswrapper sort of supported printer driver hell.
22:24
They WILL buy a printer that is already listed. Not sorta kinda with coat hangers and duct tape.
22:25
Huge waste of my time and their money. Many other problems that I can't solve buy just throwing cash at it.
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<ltspuser_36>
nic /john_s
23:23
NIC/ john_s
23:23
hmm
23:23
<DJUnreal>
try /nick
23:24
<ltspuser_36>
I am too dumb to change my nick. oh well. I am hoping someone can tell me in a nut shell the difference between LTSP-Server_Standalone and LTSP-Server in debian?
23:24
<DJUnreal>
easy
23:24
ltsp-server is literally just ltsp
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23:24
<DJUnreal>
ltsp-server-standalone includes all the other packages, like isc-dhcp-server, which you need to run ltsp on a single machine
23:25
if you have dhcp servers on the network already, you want to use ltsp-server
23:25
similarly with a bunch of other bits 'n' bobs
23:25
but if you don't have anything on the network where you're running your clients
23:25
you'll want ltsp-server-standalone
23:25
capiche?
23:26
<john_s>
DJUnreal: thanks. I do already have a DHCP server, that was one of the reasons I was wondering. I saw some metion that pulse audio might not work with stand-alone
23:26
<DJUnreal>
No Problem
23:26
and on that note
23:26
i'ts my bedtime
23:26
so i'll leave you to enjoy the night
23:26* DJUnreal curls up under a blanket in the corner and snores quietly
23:28
<john_s>
I just spent a week trying to get LTSP to working properly on Ubuntu 12.04, so I thought I'd give debian a try
23:29
I
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I've been running LTSP on Ubuntu 8.04 and then 10.04 for the last 6 years or so. I couldn't even get a thin client to boot properly on 12.04. Hopefully more joy with Debian
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