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Channel log from 16 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<sbalneav>
Night all
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<BlackDark>
hi guys
08:20
is there an howto somewhere for the setup of local apps with ltsp 5.0 ?
08:21
ltsp.org has the documentation for LTSP 4.2, wondering if the local app thing is much different with 5.0
08:22
<sbalneav>
BlackDark: We haven't got localapps working yet in 5.0 If you wanted to set it up manually, should be pretty much the same.
08:23
It was a fairly manual process in 4.2 anyway.
08:23
<BlackDark>
okok
08:23
actually I'd like to make skype work
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<BlackDark>
problem is the sound
08:25
pulse can't capture sound yet, so I was thinking of running skype as a local application
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<BlackDark>
is it something planned for 7.10 ?
08:28
I meant ubuntu 7.10
08:29
<sbalneav>
Well, we've planned it for the last 2 releases, but getting the server team to get ldap in a working state seems to be the holdup
08:29
so I have know idea if we'll get it done.
08:30
<ogra>
sbalneav, hey, fond the reason for compiz not working
08:30
*found
08:30
<BlackDark>
sbalneav: thks,
08:31
<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri && sudo ltsp-update-image
08:31
:P
08:31
<BlackDark>
actually it's only to know if I put the time on my actuall installation to make it work by myself or I wait for 7.10
08:31
<ogra>
sill ymissing package
08:33
<sbalneav>
Morning ogra!
08:33
<ogra>
sbalneav, and you were totally right, 915resolution isnt needed at all (XSERVER=intel is needed for the classmate though, defaulting to i810 breaks the resolution)
08:33
hey
08:33
<sbalneav>
Hey, guess what!
08:33
I got the new cdpinger going
08:33
from udev
08:33
<ogra>
yeah saw that in the backlog
08:34
<BlackDark>
brb
08:34
<sbalneav>
plus, now, cdroms read the volname, so when you put in the cd, you'll get "Ubuntu_6.10" instead of "cdrom0"
08:34
<ogra>
so we have a little problem now ... compiz works great as in feisty with that package installed ...
08:34
but libgl1-mesa-dri is 16M big
08:35
that wont really help downsizig the edubuntu CD
08:35
<jammcq>
jeez, you guys get to work early, eh?
08:35
<sbalneav>
Look who's talking :)
08:35
<ogra>
3:30pm here
08:35
:)
08:36
<sbalneav>
ogra: So, here's the question: do you want me to integrate the new cdpinger into the ltspfs package?
08:36
<ogra>
for hardy, yes
08:36
<sbalneav>
ok, for gutsy then, we'll stand pat?
08:36
<ogra>
well
08:37
beta freeze is in 4 days ...
08:37
changing a whole app now is pretty risky i think
08:37
and we still have a good bunch of bugs to find i bet
08:38
(in the existing code)
08:38
<sbalneav>
I can go either way. Hairy's the real prize we're after, and things are already improved so much. Yes, I agree. Lets leave things the way they are for now, and we'll get it in early for Hairy.
08:38
<ogra>
also i'm seeing some weird unionfs things over here with the recent kernel ....
08:39
did you notice something like that in your logs ?
08:39
<sbalneav>
I've seen some unionfs messages, it doesn't appear to affect anything that I can see.
08:39
<ogra>
well, it looks like oppses ... that would be pretty bad
08:40
hmm, what do i do with libgl1-mesa-dri
08:41
<sbalneav>
Document it.
08:41
<ogra>
i386 iso is at 736M already :/
08:42
and i dont know hw much oo.o will give us back if its finally fixed
08:42
<jammcq>
you could always throw out evolution :)
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<ogra>
might be 30 or only 3M
08:42
<sbalneav>
right. Leave it off, and I can add a section in the handboook on it.
08:42
is it in main, or in uni?
08:42
<ogra>
well, then compiz wont work in *any* edubuntu install
08:42
its a requirement
08:43
<sbalneav>
Oh, we don't have it in the base cd.
08:43
ah
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<ogra>
yeah, thats the prob and was the initial reason for me to not have it in the ltsp-client deps
08:43
(back in the beginning of gutsy)
08:44
no GL will work without it
08:44
so we kind of need it
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<sbalneav>
I oo.o what made the huge cd oversizes?
08:52
Heading upstairs to make breakfast.
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<joebob777as7>
ok sbalneav can you give me a quick hand on making wine replicatable for all future users?
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<sbalneav>
You'll just have to create a drive for wine with a link in the drives folder, and install the app there. Make sure the dir's a shared dir. However, if the app sets a lot of whacky registry stuff, it may or may not work.
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<joebob777as7>
ok i created a drive so i go into my .wine folder and find drive_d and share it?
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<Q-FUNK>
creating a symbolic link to the wine tap sounds quite tipsy alright. :D
11:32
<sbalneav>
OT for this channel anyway.
11:33
Better to ask in #wine, I'm not an expert by any means.
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<joebob777as7>
ok i'll look there first.
11:38
sbalneav, do you think it would work if I just logged in as each user on the server and installed the app individually for them?
11:38
<sbalneav>
That would work for sure.
11:38
<joebob777as7>
just a huge waste of space....
11:39
<sbalneav>
assuming the app works under wine.
11:39
<joebob777as7>
could i install it and then remove it's dir and make a link to the shared dir and bypass the registry stuff?
11:39
it does i just tested it
11:40
or do you think that would create use errors if more than one person was using it at the same time/
11:40
?
11:40
<sbalneav>
Here's an idea for you...
11:40
why don't you TRY it?
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<joebob777as7>
ok sorry
11:42
<sbalneav>
It'll depend completely on the app, and seeing as how you haven't even told me what the app IS, I have no idea if it will work.
11:43
<joebob777as7>
ies4linux (internet explorer) and office 2000
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<sbalneav>
Only apps I've ever run under wine have been Childview, Warcraft III (for the kids) and Fallout.
11:45
I've never run IE, and I've never used word, so I'm unqualified to say.
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<joebob777as7>
ok skip the wine questions i did notice on my tablet when i used the same xorg.conf on my x60-tablet my tablet portion didn't work? any idea on this? i know i'm out of what ltsp was meant to do i'm just wondering...
11:46
<sbalneav>
Probably something in the xorg.conf, or the driver for the tablet isn't installed in the chroot.
11:46
<joebob777as7>
ok
11:48
<sbalneav>
Well, heading out for the day with the family. AFK for a bit
11:48
<joebob777as7>
ok have fun sbalneav !
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<george719>
i'm really stuck with a pxe-e32: tftp open timeout
16:55
new install of ltsp4.1
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on mepis 6.0.2
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dhcpd gets ip ok
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<StylusEater>
hello. I just installed ltsp using the etch4.0 quick howto, configured my dhcp server, rebooted my pxe enabled client and it doesn't boot. The client finds the proper tftp root /ltsp/i386/ but it cycles through every pxelinux.cfg option without choosing one. At the end it states cannot find configuration file.
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<vagrantc>
StylusEater: is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default present ?
17:16
<StylusEater>
yes
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<vagrantc>
StylusEater: dpkg -l '*tftpd*'
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StylusEater: dpkg -l '*tftpd*' | egrep ^ii
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<StylusEater>
I even copied the default to 01-'insert mac addr here' in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/
17:17
where you would like the output?
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<vagrantc>
if you do the second, it should only be one line, no ?
17:18
<StylusEater>
ii tftpd-hpa 0.43-1.1 HPA's tftp server
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<vagrantc>
ok
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grep ^tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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<dniel>
StylusEater: I have Debian Lenny and for install LTSP-5 I followed this instruction
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StylusEater: http://linuxagora.com/vbforum/showthread.php?p=4156
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vagrantc: hi!
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<StylusEater>
tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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dniel: thx
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<vagrantc>
StylusEater: ps aux | egrep inetd
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<StylusEater>
root 2660 0.0 0.1 1748 568 ? Ss 17:53 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
17:22
if that weren't up I wouldn't be here I think... :-)
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<dniel>
vagrantc: did you write this tutorial? --> http://linuxagora.com/vbforum/showthread.php?p=4156
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<vagrantc>
dniel: no
17:23
dniel: reading it now
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<StylusEater>
that tutorial is almost the same as the one listed on the ltsp site...
17:23
but the ltsp site doesn't mention a boot disk b/c it's pxe loading and using tftp
17:23
I'll check that out though...
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vagrantc: I'm not sure what's wrong b/c I've checked the config for tftp, inetd.conf and my config
17:24
tcpdump isn't showing much activity either
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<vagrantc>
StylusEater: have a firewall ?
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<StylusEater>
that's my next question, but I'm not typically a debian user
17:25
/etc/init.d/ <--- no firewall script or anything there...
17:25
I would assume iptables?
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<dniel>
vagrantc: I thought it was you because the surnames are similars
17:26
<StylusEater>
meh... iptables -L shows all accept
17:26
I'm gonna get some foo then come back and look some more. thx for the ideas vagrantc and dniel.
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<dniel>
StylusEater: ok byes!
17:28
vagrantc: when are you comming to argentina?
17:28
vagrantc: have you got any plans?
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<vagrantc>
dniel: next year, for the debian conference
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dniel: in august
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<dniel>
vagrantc: that's great! And if you want you can come and visit Cordoba.
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<vagrantc_>
dniel: i hope to spend several months there, if i can :)
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<StylusEater>
GOT IT!!!
17:59
I needed next-server 'my dhcp server IP'; in my dhcpd.conf file
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<vagrantc_>
oh, yeah.
18:03
sorry that didn't make it into etch
18:03
it's fixed in lenny
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next-server used to be optional, but upstream dhcp developers decided it wasn't proper behavior to assume next-server...
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<StylusEater>
vagrantc: it's ok. I've just started using debian (moving over from fedora).
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<ari_stress>
morning
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<joebob777as7>
which processor is going to give me the best server speed and quality to clients? Am I looking for an amd opteron or xeon? also how much memory is too much for 10 clients?
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<ari_stress>
hi guys, i'm told that everything in unix/linux has a symbol in filesystem, such as /dev/lp0 for printer, what i cannot find is the symbol for keyboard and mouse. what is it?
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<joebob777as7>
ari_stress, /dev/input?
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<ari_stress>
joebob777as7:
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[root@server1 ~]# ls -l /dev/input/
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event0 event1 mice mouse0
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<betolley>
Does rdesktop work with vista over a wireless connection for anyone here? It works greate over a wireless for me with 1.5.0 but wireless runs and freezes every few seconds.
21:26
great over a wired...sorry
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<ari_stress>
betolley: you can try to reduce the quality of the rdesktop
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<betolley>
runs fine at 256 colors...crap at 16 bit or higher.
21:27
but I can connect to xp system no problem.
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<george719>
how can i veryfy that tftpd is running corrctly? i get a ip but timeout on pxe tftp, logs show no activity after ip is accepted
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<joebob777as7>
george719 add SERVER=<serverip> in the lts.conf file under [default]
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tell me if that fixes it..
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<sbalneav>
george719: If you type: netstat -an | grep :69 what do yoou get?
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joebob777as7: That won't help tftp
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<joebob777as7>
isn't that the same thing that happened to me?
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<sbalneav>
no
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<joebob777as7>
oh ok
21:50
which processor do you think would be best an opteron or xeon?
21:50
is amd support better?
21:51
also what amount of ram is too much for 10 clients?
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<sbalneav>
!sizing
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: Error: "sizing" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
!serversizing
21:52
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: Error: "serversizing" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
!topics
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "topics" is To get a list of topics, type ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<sbalneav>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
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ltspbot`: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
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<sbalneav>
ah
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!serversize
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "serversize" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ServerSizing
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<sbalneav>
Or, the edubuntu handbook has a section on it as well.
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<vagrantc>
you can never have too much ram.
21:55
i'd be much more worried about too little
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<sbalneav>
More = better
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<joebob777as7>
vagrantc, if i put 4 gigs of ram in an opteron bases system isn't processor going to dictate how fast apps will open? where do you think it will get to a point that i won't notice the difference with 10 clients?
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: a lot of the time, your limitation is disk speed ... and having way too much ram helps that out a lot because linux will just use extra ram as disk cache
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<joebob777as7>
is there a way to make it all run in memory once it's loaded?
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: and it HIGHLY depends on what you're doing where the point of noticing is
21:59
joebob777as7: yes, but that's a waste of ram. linux can pretty intelligently figure out what should stay cached vs. what you only access once in a blue moon
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<joebob777as7>
well not much actually just web browsing maybe a little picture manipulation and inkscape maybe watch a movie at the same time
22:00
movie will be xvid
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: the only real answer is: try it out and figure it out for yourself.
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<joebob777as7>
yeah i'm only going to buy a processor once though that's my real question... is an AMD Dual-Core Opteron 275 Italy 2.2GHz going to be good? or should i go bigger?
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: the guidelines mentioned on the ServerSizing page are ... guidelines. in practice, you just have to experiment and try it out.
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<joebob777as7>
ok
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<dniel>
vagrantc: one question! Cual es la pagina esa en la cual participas? www.freegeek.org?
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<vagrantc>
dniel: si
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<dniel>
vagrantc: thanks!
22:05
vagrantc: i will watch that!
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vagrantc: which is the configuration in a thin client to use a serial mouse?
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vagrantc: it must be configured in lts.conf?
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<vagrantc>
dniel: which version of ltsp ?
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dniel: X_MOUSE_DEVICE=/dev/ttyS0
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dniel: X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL=ms
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oh wait
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dniel: X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL=microsoft
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think ms was XFree86 3.x
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<dniel>
vagrantc: which version of ltsp ? -> LTSP-5
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<vagrantc>
dniel: well, those should work with any version of LTSP
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<dniel>
vagrantc: okey thaks!
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<vagrantc>
dniel: with ltsp5 on debian etch, you might also want to install the joystick package
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dniel: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install joystick
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<dniel>
vagrantc: ohh! it's good!
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<vagrantc>
dniel: are most serial mice, or only some ?
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mouse protocol is different if you install joystick though ...
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<dniel>
vagrantc: the most serial mice
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vagrantc: the most is serial mice
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vagrantc: X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL=ms or X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL=microsoft?
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I use xorg
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<vagrantc>
dniel: 2 or 3 button ?
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<chris_punches>
IMPS/2
22:55
jesus.
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<vagrantc>
for a serial mouse ?
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<dniel>
vagrantc: 3 button
22:55* jammcq wonders why people don't just TRY IT to see what works
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<chris_punches>
oh shoot, im so sorry, i was distracted
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<vagrantc>
dniel: if you use joystick, use X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL=ms
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<jammcq>
surely it's easier to try both of them, than it is to interrupt a developer who is busy trying to add features or fix bugs
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<dniel>
vagrantc: and if I don't use jostick?
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<vagrantc>
it's exceptionally confusing
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because if you use joystick, it's a different protocol
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<dniel>
vagrantc: and if I don't use joystick, I use X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL=microsoft?
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<vagrantc>
i *think* so
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but it's better to use joystick
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oh dear
22:59
but if you use joystick, then X_MOUSE_DEVICE=/dev/input/mice
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<dniel>
vagrantc: Conclusion: If I use Joystick and serial mice, then I use X_MOUSE_DEVICE=/dev/input/mice and X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL=ms and if I don't use Joystick but I use serial mice then I use X_MOUSE_DEVICE=/dev/ttyS0 and X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL=microsoft
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vagrantc: that is correct?
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<vagrantc>
think so
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try it and find out
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<dniel>
vagrantc: okey! I will prove it
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vagrantc: thanks again!
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<dniel>
vagrantc: okey I will go to sleep! ZzzZzZ It's to late! Byes
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