IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 13 November 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
whee
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<andygraybeal>
aalloo ;)
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<Hyperbyte>
Hi hi!
15:01
<andygraybeal>
hi Hyperbyte :))
15:01
my lady and i are both at work on sunday :) she is doing some web updates. i'm installing a nutritional analysis program, gourmet - we have to move a db from the old system to the new. plus i am about to install zentyal 2.2 to play with it.
15:02
what'r you up to?
15:02
oh and i'm rnuning a full backup because the backups have been funky for the past few days
15:03
havnig a ldap server with user db is da-bomb
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<matrix3000>
andygraybeal: i hate zentyal....
16:43
<andygraybeal>
hah :)
16:43
matrix3000, well your much smarter than me.. so it's okay.
16:43
<matrix3000>
andygraybeal: it doesn't do redundant ldap
16:43
<andygraybeal>
i know we had t his converstaion before.
16:43
<matrix3000>
so if your master zentyal server dies, no bueno
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oh did we
16:44
when?
16:44
lol
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but other than that, it is awesome
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<andygraybeal>
yes, while ago.. you even told me what project you were using to easily implement directory server
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<matrix3000>
dude, i have the memory of a dinasaur
16:44
<andygraybeal>
i forget the project, but it looked awesome.. and it looked like it could get some years under it's belt before someone l ik eme co uld use it.. ably.
16:44
<matrix3000>
dinosaur*
16:45
<andygraybeal>
well i smoke weed and drink constantly so.. :)
16:45
<matrix3000>
ahaha
16:45
it was FusionDirectory, and I guess they are working on a new version as well to help manage LTSP from within the LDAP directory
16:45
<andygraybeal>
yes yes fusion.
16:45
<matrix3000>
I don't know how exactly but it would be cool to see
16:45
<andygraybeal>
aah nice, ltsp with ldap.. yes.
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<matrix3000>
he was saying being able to choose and specify which pc's use which ltsp servers
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and which boot images
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but, ha, im scared to even try it
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im just sticking with ldap for user authentication for now
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hell, im eager for the new version of LTSP that is being worked on
16:48
is it ltsp6?
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or just LTSP5. something
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<andygraybeal>
yea, i have no idea
16:54
yes, ldap just for user auth for now would be fine.
16:54
i am using zentyal for some user auth...
16:54
but not with zentyal
16:54
so i have like two user db's right now.. one for zentyal dir and one for ltsp...
16:55
<lifeboy>
Hi all! I'm trying to load a video kernel module for my client (the vortex one I've been working on recently) and just need a bit of help in finding the right directories and module config files
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<Matrix3000-Home>
where would you put it normally?
16:55
if it wasn't a thin client
16:55
lifeboy*
16:55
<lifeboy>
I don't do this normally! ;-)
16:56
<Matrix3000-Home>
well you would do it the same as if you put it on ubuntu itself
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<Matrix3000-Home>
if you have fat clients you put it in /opt/ltsp/i386/ somewhere
16:56
or even if you want it on the client locally
16:56
<lifeboy>
in /lib/modules/(mykernel)/kernel/drivers/video
16:56
<Matrix3000-Home>
ah ok
16:57
so if you need it on the client itself
16:57
<lifeboy>
in the /opt/ltsp/i386 of course
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<Matrix3000-Home>
so then you have it on /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/(mykernel)/kernel/drivers/video
16:58
do you have it in the /lib/modules/(mykernel)/kernel/drivers/video as well
16:58
<lifeboy>
it's there, and I put it in /etc/modules as rdc_drv, like I have my ethernet module which loads, but the video doesn't.
16:58
<Matrix3000-Home>
ok, did you try ltsp-update-kernel
16:58
or something like that
16:59
ltsp-update-kernels
16:59
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/ltsp-update-kernels.8.html
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<vagrantc>
!seen alkisg
16:59
<ltsp>
vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 16 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <alkisg> With SSL + reconnections + inside the X session etc
17:00
<Matrix3000-Home>
!ltsp-update-kernels
17:00
<ltsp>
Matrix3000-Home: Error: "ltsp-update-kernels" is not a valid command.
17:00
<lifeboy>
Here's what I did:root@Ashton:/# ltsp-chroot --arch=i386
17:00
root@Ashton:/# mount -t proc proc /proc
17:00
root@Ashton:/# update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.32.44+drm33.19gts
17:00
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32.44+drm33.19gts
17:00
root@Ashton:/# umount proc
17:00
root@Ashton:/# exit
17:00
exit
17:00
root@Ashton:/# ltsp-update-kernels
17:01
Updating /var/lib/tftpboot directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386
17:01
root@Ashton:/# ltsp-update-image -
17:01
sorry, not the '-' after the last command
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<Matrix3000-Home>
could you use pastebin?
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<lifeboy>
Uh, sorry, I will do in future. (use pastebin)
17:02
<Matrix3000-Home>
i just had a bit of trouble trying to follow your commands
17:02
lol
17:03
but yea, that looks like it if that doesn't work, id wait till alkisg can answer
17:03
<lifeboy>
The sequence is what I always do if I've made a change, just to ensure everything gets "picked up"
17:04
!ltsp-update-kernel
17:04
<ltsp>
lifeboy: Error: "ltsp-update-kernel" is not a valid command.
17:05
<lifeboy>
ok, I'll keep digging around in the meantime
17:06
<Matrix3000-Home>
yea there's no entry yet
17:06
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/ltsp-update-kernels.8.html
17:06
<vagrantc>
what's the question?
17:06
<Matrix3000-Home>
but that tells you what ltsp-update-kernels does
17:07
lifeboy: Hi all! I'm trying to load a video kernel module for my client (the vortex one I've been working on recently) and just need a bit of help in finding the right directories and module config files
17:07
<andygraybeal>
i thought all video stuff was handled with lts.conf ?
17:07
but i'm an idiot, so pay no attn to me.
17:07
<vagrantc>
if it really is a kernel module, it would happen much earlier
17:08
<Matrix3000-Home>
like right at PXE boot right?
17:08
when it first grabs the image
17:08
<vagrantc>
probably from the initramfs
17:08
<Matrix3000-Home>
from my understanding
17:08
<lifeboy>
Ah, I think it may have to go into /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules instead
17:08
vagrantc, yes.
17:09
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: so the module is present in the initramfs, just not getting loaded?
17:09
<lifeboy>
no, when I do modprobe -l | grep rdc on the client (in busybox), it's not there
17:10
<vagrantc>
that sounds like an answer to the latter question
17:10
is it present in /lib/modules/$version/...
17:11
when you've booted the initramfs
17:11
or lsinitramfs /path/to/initrd.img-$version | egrep rdc
17:11
<lifeboy>
vagrantc: Yes, it's in /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.32.44+drm33.19gts/kernel/drivers/video
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<vagrantc>
lifeboy: yes, but is it in the initramfs image itself...
17:12
lifeboy: you have lsinitramfs?
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<lifeboy>
Oh, wait, I but rebuild initramfs if I put something in i386/etc/initramfs-tools/modules, right?
17:12
yes, I do.
17:13
sorry
17:13
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: lsinitramfs /path/to/initrd.img-$version | egrep rdc
17:14
just putting it in etc/initramfs-tools/modules won't include it in the image, it just tells it to load the module (which won't work if it's not present) ... not all modules go into the initramfs, typically.
17:14
!initramfs
17:14
<ltsp>
vagrantc: Error: "initramfs" is not a valid command.
17:14
<vagrantc>
!initramfs-tools
17:14
<ltsp>
vagrantc: Error: "initramfs-tools" is not a valid command.
17:14
<vagrantc>
!search initramfs
17:14
<ltsp>
vagrantc: There were no matching configuration variables.
17:15
<lifeboy>
vagrantc: lsinitramfs /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/initrd.img | egrep rdc returns nothing (initrd.img symlinks to actual initrd-$version)
17:15
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: so it's not included in the image...
17:16
<lifeboy>
I copied it into kernel/drivers/video by hand after compiling it. Could it be the wrong dir?
17:16
Shouldn't it be in the image if I copied it in and rebuilt the image?
17:17
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: probably ... i'm not really familiar with hand-built modules ... everything i ever work with is just part of the kernel initrd/initramfs for the last 7 years or so
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<vagrantc>
lifeboy: only certain modules are included in the initramfs by default
17:18
<lifeboy>
I had to build the ethernet and display drivers for the vortex86 processor based client
17:18
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: so you need to tell your initramfs to include that module...
17:18
lifeboy: i know, i'm just saying i'm way out of practice with this sort of thing :)
17:19
lifeboy: egrep rdc /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/$version/modules.dep
17:19
<lifeboy>
It turned out Ubuntu 10.04 actually has a r6040 module, it's just not compiled in by default, but the rdc_drv is not in it
17:20
vagrantc: :-)
17:21
egrep rdc /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.32.44+drm33.19gts/modules.dep
17:21
kernel/drivers/ata/pata_rdc.ko:
17:21
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: a whole different tack ... have you tried using the vesa driver?
17:22
<lifeboy>
Yes, it's on by default in 10.04
17:22
but it doesn't work.
17:22
<vagrantc>
it doesn't work, or it's not good enough?
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<lifeboy>
the client in (initramfs) says: Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30. No init found.
17:23
and then drops me to busybox
17:23
<vagrantc>
this seems like a bigger problem
17:24
<lifeboy>
you think I may have disabled too much in the kernel config before compiling?
17:24
<vagrantc>
it sounds like it's failing to mount your root filesystem
17:24
is there anything in /root ?
17:25
<lifeboy>
It actually says: "Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30. No init found. Try passing init= bootarg."
17:25
gimme a sec
17:25
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: do you have NBD and squashfs, aufs and tmpfs filesystems?
17:25
<lifeboy>
ls /root shows cow, rofs and var
17:26
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: what's mount say ...
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17:26* vagrantc is a little weak with ubuntu's setup
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<lifeboy>
I'll have to type is over... from the client screen... takes time :-)
17:27
type it over...
17:27
mount says
17:28* vagrantc is most interested in the /root, /cow and /rofs mounts
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<vagrantc>
my hunch is aufs is missing
17:30
<lifeboy>
It has / type rootfs (rw) /sys type sysfs (rw...) /cow type tempfs /dev/dnb0 /dev /dev/pts and /proc
17:30
no /aufs
17:30
<vagrantc>
looking for a type aufs
17:30
or unionfs ... ?
17:30
<lifeboy>
none
17:30
what is aufs?
17:30
<vagrantc>
another unionfs :)
17:31
lifeboy: grep AUFS /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/config-*
17:32
<lifeboy>
vagrantc: :-) ye, actually should have asked what is it for
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<vagrantc>
lifeboy: it's for layering filesystems together
17:33
lifeboy: it's how the read-only NBD is shared across multiple thin clients, by putting a writeable layer on top of the NBD
17:34
<lifeboy>
vagrantc: AUFS result http://pastebin.com/JE9xv2gT
17:34
sorry, that's for the wrong kernel...
17:34
let me do it again
17:35
<vagrantc>
heh
17:36
lifeboy: where's your kernel config?
17:36
<lifeboy>
O, I see, there's no AUFS in my kernel config,
17:36
<vagrantc>
that'd do it.
17:36
<lifeboy>
hence grep doesn't show it
17:36
So I didn't compile aufs in?
17:36
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: remember when i said you shouldn't change the kernel config?
17:36
lifeboy: only add what you need, don't disable stuff to "save time"
17:37
<lifeboy>
:-( Yes, I do
17:37
<vagrantc>
computer time is cheap compared to troubleshooting time
17:37
<lifeboy>
:-) Why do I have to (sometimes/always) learn that lesson again
17:37
?
17:38
<vagrantc>
in order to really burn it in :)
17:38
fail faster, fail better, so i hear
17:38
<lifeboy>
Yes, curiosity killed the cat!
17:38
what would happen if I...
17:38
?
17:39
<vagrantc>
no dead cats just yet
17:39
<lifeboy>
Let me redo that. Fortunately I have a nice server so compiling the kernel takes 10 minutes
17:39
<vagrantc>
lifeboy: so, go back, rebuild your kernel with the ubuntu defaults, add the few extra things you need, and try again
17:39
<lifeboy>
will do
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<lifeboy>
thanks for you patience!
17:39
your patience
17:43
vagrantc: Before I redo this, can I add the rdc_drv into Ubuntu easily and compile it in?
17:46
<vagrantc>
that i don't knnow
17:46
i haven't built anything out-of-tree in many, many moons
17:47
lifeboy: you might try figuring out how to use "dkms" ... i think that's the current way of handling out-of-tree modules ...
17:53
<lifeboy>
vagrantc: ok, will read up on it.
17:56
<vagrantc>
anyone here sucessfully used scotty's libpam-sshauth ?
17:56
i've got libnss-sshsock working, in some crude sense
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<highvoltage>
I'd like to try it out some time
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<andygraybeal>
so, i'm playing with 11.10 .. yes, i'm evil. i just want to see what it's like - i've installed the 'gnome-session-fallback' is there anything you'd recommend else? like totally removing the unity?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: epoptes is in a stable state right now, but it will be a bit more unstable for the next couple of weeks because Phantomas is implementing the "classroom editing" feature. Maybe it's a good time to tag a 0.4.0 release and push it to unstable?
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<andygraybeal>
alkisg, sounds like fun :) and exciting
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<alkisg>
It is, especially the "debugging x-server issues for the last 3 days" part :D
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<andygraybeal>
:)
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21:57
<markit>
hi, not ltsp related, but I'm trying to dual boot some teacher's PC, and I often troubles
21:57
the last is: Laptop that was born with vista, a teacher added XP (and now boots only with XP)
21:57
XP sees 4 partitions
21:57
gparted can't read the partition table!!!
21:57
<Hyperbyte>
markit, which distro?
21:57
<markit>
so I can't remove XP
21:58
Hyperbyte: I'm going to install kubuntu, since they have it at school, 11.04
21:58
but the problmes is at the beginning stage... can't remove XP partitions with gparted, sigh
21:58
<Hyperbyte>
markit, then (and I'm not saying this because I wanna get rid of you), I suggest you ask in #ubuntu
21:58
AFAIK, you don't have to. Ubuntu installer asks you about partitioning during install if memory serves.
21:59
<markit>
Hyperbyte: is a general question, I'm not even using ubuntu but gparted
21:59
Hyperbyte: I know, but I'm pretty sure it will not be able to read it too... but let's try
21:59
since now, gparted has never failed
21:59
seems like this issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29477/ubuntu-cannot-see-windows-7-partitions-on-install
21:59
<Hyperbyte>
Either way, I'm not suggesting you go over to #ubuntu because I think this is Ubuntu related per say, but because there's much more people there, and you can get much better help for general things like this there.
22:00
<markit>
but can't be otherwise XP would not boot, so I'm confused
22:00
Hyperbyte: I see :)
22:00
<Hyperbyte>
There are 53 people here... 1570 in #ubuntu :)
22:02
<andygraybeal>
your lying Hyperbyte
22:02
:P
22:03
<Hyperbyte>
andygraybeal, how much am I off?
22:03
I did check before saying. :P
22:03
<andygraybeal>
i wish i could simply answer to people, yes your problem is windows (insert version number). please get rid of it.
22:03
Hyperbyte, i'm just being stupid. this channel of course has more attendance than #ubuntu.
22:03
<Hyperbyte>
Although it's 1571, now that markit joined. :)
22:07
<andygraybeal>
never!
22:07
uhg, too much coffee
22:08
<Hyperbyte>
uhg!
22:08
;-)
22:10
<markit>
maybe I've found the explainatino
22:10
http://superuser.com/questions/293339/gparted-errors-on-mbr-disk-claims-its-gpt-its-mistaken-but-why
22:10
answer 1
22:11
<vagrantc>
alkisg: did you want to switch to ssvnc, or just stick with xvnc4viewer?
22:11
<alkisg>
vagrantc: if it works better for you 24bpp card, then no problem from me
22:11
They both have the same functionality
22:11
xvnc4viewer needs a bit less ram
22:11
*your
22:12
<vagrantc>
ah, i didn't notice you had made mmore commits
22:12
<alkisg>
Lots :)
22:12
Especially the newly discovered "x-server-side scaling" is quite significant
22:12
<vagrantc>
cool
22:12
i only tested with a single client
22:30
<lifeboy_>
vagrantc: I have done a lot of testing and searching, but I cannot find AUFS mentioned in the config file, not elsewhere. Where does this come in and how do I get support for it into the kernel?
22:42
Does anyone know how aufs is use in LTSP? I see it's the replacement unionfs in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS live CD, but there's not package aufs-modules-2.6 or similar in Ubunti 10.04.
22:43
ga, sorry for my poor typing. It's way past midnight here...
22:43
<alkisg>
What are you trying to do?
22:44
<lifeboy_>
alkisg: I'm still sorting out Ubuntu LTSP on my vortex client. vagrantc helped me troubleshoot earlier and we found that aufs or unionfs is not mounted in the client
22:45
<alkisg>
Wow, you'd buy 100 other clients with all the time you invested on this :)
22:46
<lifeboy_>
That's ok! Once I've got it all figured out, it will be worth it for large new installations... :-)
22:47
and if I'd bought the clients I would have learning nothing! ;-P
22:47
<alkisg>
So you have nbd properly mounted, and the problem is aufs?
22:47
<lifeboy_>
yes, nbd is there, but not aufs
22:47
<alkisg>
Then why did nbd-client failed when you tried it in the break=mount step?
22:47
<lifeboy_>
problem is I don't see aufs in the .config file
22:48
after switching to ubuntu, not xlinux anymore the nbd problem went away
22:49
So I'm using stock standard Ubuntu 10.04 now
22:49
<alkisg>
I think we were testing a couple of weeks ago, and with ubuntu 10.04 you tried break=mount, and I told you to run nbd-client to mount the disk, and that part suceeded,
22:49
but ls /mnt failed
22:49
That indicated a broken nbd module in your ubuntu 10.04
22:49
Has that changed?
22:50
(nbd or network driver or something)
22:50
<lifeboy_>
No, that was not with Ubuntu, it was with the vortex86 linux (xlinux) distro
22:51
<alkisg>
I'm pretty sure it was with Ubuntu, because I was telling you instructions to test inside the ubuntu initramfs
22:51
You can test again if you want
22:51
Just put break=mount in your pxelinux.cfg/default
22:51
Then run nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0
22:51
Then mount -o loop /dev/nbd0 /mnt
22:51
And then ls /mnt
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<alkisg>
If that works, your nbd module and network card is fine
22:52
<lifeboy_>
Ubuntu has a r6040 ethernet driver, but its not compiled by default. Yes, it's from an Ubuntu server, but nbd mounts fine
22:52
<alkisg>
And then your run the aufs command?
22:52
And it says what, module not found?
22:52
Try it up to there, and continue with tmpfs+aufs
22:53
<lifeboy_>
I get dropped to busybox and then, if I type aufs, it's says "not found"
22:53
<alkisg>
There's no aufs executable
22:53
Try what I said above, and I'll tell you the next commands after that.
22:54
<lifeboy_>
which is why I asked where aufs comes from, ie how to I get it into Ubuntu
22:54
<alkisg>
The command is called "mount"
22:54
mount -t aufs -o dirs=/cow=rw:/rofs=ro aufs ${rootmnt}
22:54
If you want help, do what I said above, and we'll continue after the nbd mounting
22:57
<lifeboy_>
I doing it, it just takes time, since I can't cut and paste from the client! :-)
23:00
nbd-client 172.16.0.1 2000 /dev/nbd0 says: Negotiation: ..size = 5502956KB (newline) bs=1024, sz=5502956
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mount shows the /dev/bnd0 mounted on /root/rofs type tmpfs
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that's /dev/nbd0, sorry
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<alkisg>
Did you put break=mount ?
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In pxelinux.cfg/default?
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<lifeboy_>
alkisg: before I get the break=mount (at least so it seems) on the client, I get dropped to a busybox shell. Here are the results: http://pastebin.com/j82mH9qA
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!seen alkisg
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<ltsp>
lifeboy_: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 29 minutes and 47 seconds ago: <alkisg> In pxelinux.cfg/default?
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<Matrix3000-Home>
!learn
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<ltsp>
Matrix3000-Home: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
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<Matrix3000-Home>
!ltsp-update-kernels
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<ltsp>
Matrix3000-Home: ltsp-update-kernels: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/ltsp-update-kernels.8.html
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<Matrix3000-Home>
!fat-client
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<ltsp>
Matrix3000-Home: I do not know about 'fat-client', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclients'
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<Matrix3000-Home>
!fatclients
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<ltsp>
Matrix3000-Home: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients