IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)


Channel log from 2 June 2017   (all times are UTC)

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12:46
<Eric2>
Hi there
12:47
i'm trying to configure LTSP on ubuntu 16.04.2 lts, and would like to install gnome instead of unity
12:48
What option shoud i use for FAT_CLIENT_DESKTOP in ltsp-build-client.conf to install gnome instead of unity
12:48
?
13:55
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
13:55
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
13:55
<alkisg>
Eric2: this ^ is the best guide for fat clients ;)
13:55
It also chooses mate over unity/gnome-flashback, which works better
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13:56
<alkisg>
Now if you insist on flashback, just run sudo ltsp-chroot -ma apt install gnome-panel after the chroot creation
13:57
<Eric2>
thank you i didn't understand ltsp-pnp vs classic way : thought i was an deprecated stuff. I will read more about it. Thank you !
13:57
<alkisg>
Eric2: nah, it's the recommented way to install ltsp nowadays
13:58
<Eric2>
oups .. thank you again
14:02
alkisg : there is still a generated client img using pnp, but it duplicates the whole system minus exclusions ?
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14:16
<alkisg>
Eric2: exactly
14:17
<Eric2>
clear for me now ! thank you
14:17
<alkisg>
So it makes it possible to maintain a "server" normally, with synaptic or software-center etc, without chroots and lots of command line
14:18
<Eric2>
This is interesting
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: https://git.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/+git/ltsp-manager :)
16:52
...although for some reason `git am patch` omitted the [i18n] at the start of the commit message
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<vagrantc>
git am patch?
16:54
i mean, why were you using "git am patch" ?
16:56
alkisg: hmmm.... that patch had a lot of whitespace changes, i think ... presumably some tool was used to update it?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: yes, it was the same file that was sent initially in the outreachy ml, and glade was used to create it
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It's normal for glade to change a lot of things inside the ui files
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vagrantc: how would I merge a patch?
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Google says "Use git-am[1] to create commits from patches generated by git-format-patch[1] and/or received by email."
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: heh. i guess i've never called it with the patch argument :)
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17:20
<alkisg>
vagrantc: did you read my mail about `ltsp-workarounds`?
17:21
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, i was chewing on it in the back of my mind a bit
17:21
<alkisg>
Ah we can talk about it some other time if you're not ready yet
17:22
<vagrantc>
alkisg: in general, you're right about moving the workarounds from postinst to a separate script/GUI/etc.
17:23
alkisg: the purge question is an interesting one
17:23
<alkisg>
And every script will have proper "documentation", description, apply function, remove function etc
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<vagrantc>
it actually poses the same question for ltsp-config, in a lot of ways
17:24
alkisg: overall, it sounds good
17:24
<alkisg>
Before we go to purging, is it OK if they're implemented that way?
17:24
Cool
17:25
vagrantc: do you think I should put them to ltsp-manager, or directly into ltsp?
17:25
<vagrantc>
alkisg: some of them would be generally useful in ltsp installations, right?
17:26
<alkisg>
Yes, most of them
17:26
E.g. we'll have some for mate desktop on ubuntu 16.04. None of those is school specific
17:26
Some, for xfce on debian, etc etc
17:26
And they'll all have proper test functions to see if they apply to this installation or not
17:27
<vagrantc>
but i can see it as being advantageous to have the workarounds distributed separately from the core of ltsp ... so you could update just the workarounds for an LTS release without having to update LTSP
17:27
<alkisg>
Ah, this would be a separate package from ltsp-manager then? Isn't that too farfetched?
17:27
<vagrantc>
upgrading workarounds is also an interesting question
17:28
*maybe* something separate ... haven't thought it over fully
17:28
<alkisg>
Currently workarounds are implemented with "#specific comment stanzas - old line contents follow", or with dpkg-divert
17:28
So they're pretty easy to upgrade/remove
17:30
Anyways since we agree on the basics, I can start something and we can finetune it afterwards
17:30
<vagrantc>
on the other hand, i find it hard to imagine Debian being ok with having a source package which the sole purpose is to workaround bugs in other packages...
17:30
<alkisg>
Haha
17:30
<vagrantc>
so it might make more sense to integrate with something else that has other functionality
17:30
<alkisg>
Well we can claim that some of those are specific to ltsp
17:30
E.g. "hide the shutdown button on the menu"
17:30
<vagrantc>
some of them...
17:31
<alkisg>
I'll put them in ltsp-manager initially, and we'll see if we want to move them to ltsp afterwards
17:32
<vagrantc>
makes sense for now ... though if we ever do switch where they're managed, it makes for complicated package dependencies...
17:33
does ltsp-config have any sort of a plugin infrastructure?
17:33
it really does seem to belong there
17:34
<alkisg>
ltsp-config does support plugins, but I think it'll get overloaded if we put workarounds into that too
17:34
E.g. `ltsp-config workarounds list`
17:34
`ltsp-config workarounds apply xxx`
17:34
It gets kinda long...
17:34
Although some of the functionality is similar, yes
17:34
<vagrantc>
ltsp-workarounds is long enough
17:35
but mostly people will access this via a GUI anyways, so ...
17:35
<alkisg>
That's true
17:35
OK, I can put it to ltsp-config if you prefer
17:35
It sounds fine to me
17:36
We can also include it as an "undocumented" script for now, in /usr/share/ltsp-manager/ltsp-workarounds, so that then we won't have issues if the code gets duplicated in a newer ltsp package in /usr/share/ltsp/workarounds
17:36
Whatever you prefer
17:36
<vagrantc>
alkisg: that sounds like a good approach to just move forward
17:37
<alkisg>
Nice, will do it that way for now
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