IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 18 April 2016   (all times are UTC)

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05:39
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: heya
05:39
Do you have anywhere to host ltsp.org? It's really problematic now...
05:40
I was thinking of providing a forum there, but with the current server issues, noone would ever have the patience to visit and ask questions there...
05:42
vagrantc: hi to you as well :)
05:43
I was thinking that ltsp users do need a lot of quirks, like e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/1512002
05:44
The problem there is an authentication dialog that pops up, and the workaround is to change a policykit file
05:45
...can we provide a collection of scripts that would help users maintain such workarounds in their servers?
05:46
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i don't see any reason why not
05:46
<alkisg>
E.g. `ltsp-config gnome-flashback` or `ltsp-config workarounds`, things like that
05:46
The problem is that they would be a moving target, that bug may be solved in policykit later on
05:46
So our workaround should handle that gracefully
05:47
<vagrantc>
alkisg: what kind of system requirements would ltsp.org need?
05:47
<alkisg>
php + mysql, I guess
05:47
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i might be able to host
05:48
<alkisg>
Cool, I'll bring it up to ltsp-developers then so that jammcq is notified
05:49
<vagrantc>
as long as it can run on debian ... ideally the framework be supported via debian security updates ...
05:49
<alkisg>
Sure
05:49
<vagrantc>
is it just a php one-off custom thing, or some standard framework?
05:50
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: ^
05:50
?
05:51
I think the site is based on Hyperbyte's templates, the wiki is mediawiki, and we could also add an smf forum for questions, to complement the mailing lists...
05:52
apache, php and mysql would be supported by debian's updates, while the rest, manually or with their own means
05:52
<vagrantc>
and now with letsencrypt, i could actually add https support :)
05:52
<alkisg>
E.g. smf ships security updates as installable modules
05:54
<vagrantc>
seems like mediawiki isn't supported in future versions of debian
05:54
<alkisg>
Some of those php frameworks are best handled by their own teams, they don't integrate well with the debian packaging system
05:54
<vagrantc>
yeah, i know.
05:57
honestly, what about a static site generator instead of php with a sql backend?
05:57
<alkisg>
You can't have a forum that way
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05:57
<vagrantc>
ikiwiki can do that
05:58
<alkisg>
https://ikiwiki.info/forum/ vs http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php
05:58
...nah :)
05:59
<vagrantc>
one looks useable, the other doesn't.
05:59
<alkisg>
Really, when you're looking for a user interface that actually aims to help users, don't ask a debian guy :D
06:00
<vagrantc>
well, there's a reason nobody maintained the launchpad bugs all those years
06:00
<alkisg>
I've been a computer engineer for 25 years now and I still don't like the *.debian.org/* UIs!
06:00
LTSP is mainly maintained on launchpad
06:00
<vagrantc>
only because alkisg maintains it
06:01
<alkisg>
The other projects that don't use launchpad are of course not maintained there
06:01
So if one decides to file kernel bugs on launchpad, well...
06:01
It's the same in the debian bug tracker as well
06:01
upstream bugs belong upstream, and distro-specific ones to the distro trackers, but that's not related to the UIs
06:02
<vagrantc>
well, most web UIs are unusable.
06:02
<alkisg>
The only difference there is that a new user can actually use the launchpad UI and file bugs (even if noone processes them), while he can't do it on the debian bug tracker,
06:02
so launchpad has more unprocessed bugs than debian due to its better ui
06:02
<vagrantc>
how about the launchpad wiki pages for LTSP?
06:03
<alkisg>
I was looking for a way to reuse mailing list answers
06:03
<vagrantc>
or the ltsp.org wiki pages?
06:03
but you're right, never ask my opinions on web UIs
06:03
:)
06:03
<alkisg>
Our wiki is fine afaik, it doesn't need a new software, it does need new people writing documentation but that's another story
06:04
<vagrantc>
my favorite ones use VCS for a backend
06:04
that's my idea of a UI
06:05
<alkisg>
There's a reason why forums are more popular for new users rather than mailing lists. We already have a mailing list, no issue there, and I was thinking of adding a forum
06:05
<vagrantc>
alkisg: what i don't get is why there aren't mailing list softwares that integrate with forums
06:05
<alkisg>
One can reply to launchpad either via web or via mail
06:05
<vagrantc>
we're constantly repeating things on the mailing list that are answered in the wiki and so on
06:05
<alkisg>
And they always get the answers in their mail boxes
06:05
So, about that. I'm using wiki + forum for supporting greek teachers
06:06
And exactly because it works like a charm, is why I want to do the same for all ltsp users
06:06
If something is asked once, I reply to the forum
06:06
<vagrantc>
yeah, launchpad's minimal email support makes some things workable that would otherwise be rather difficult
06:06
<alkisg>
Twice, I give them the link to the previous answer
06:06
3 times, I write a wiki page and point them there
06:06
After 4-5 times, other people answer the same link instead of me
06:07
<vagrantc>
yay!
06:07
sounds good, i guess.
06:07
if the backend could just interface to a VCS, i don't care what the web interface looks like ...
06:08
<alkisg>
I've been running that forum for 15 years now, it has 11 million hits etc. I never needed a VCS backend...
06:09
If people want to make sure that what they reply to will remain intact, they quote it
06:09
And administrators move the deleted posts elsewhere so they're around even after deletion
06:11* vagrantc had a lot of hope for ikiwiki being able to do both web and VCS interface, but it never quite manifested
06:11
<vagrantc>
too hard to manage
06:11
<alkisg>
Other than that, people are allowed to make mistakes and delete them without having them in a global history. A permanent history can sometimes be intimidating...
06:11
Forums also have to manage permissions, and it would be rather hard to have a VCS with history + permissions...
06:12
like, `bzr log` where one would only see the history he's permitted to see
06:16* vagrantc won't get into it
06:16* vagrantc said too much
06:17
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ah, one last thing...
06:17
forum vs stackexchange?
06:17
Which one would you participate more in?
06:17
<vagrantc>
doubtful i'd participate in either
06:17
<alkisg>
Hmm I wonder if it'd be best for me to just start participating in ubuntu forums then :D
06:18
OK I'll start with the server mail and see how it goes
06:18
<vagrantc>
the main issue for me is i have so many thngs to work on, things that don't fit my workflow just don't happen
06:19
<alkisg>
In the past I had decided not to participate in the ltsp mailing lists because I don't like mailing lists
06:19
<vagrantc>
i hear you :)
06:19
<alkisg>
But they do needed some input at some times
06:19
So if I'm going to participate, I was thinking to do it in a forum...
06:19
OK, we'll see
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09:45
<shanther>
anyone actually here?
09:46
you all suck dick
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10:47
<highvoltage>
that attitude won't get you much help here
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13:54
<Darkend>
hi people.
13:54
join
13:55
I have a little problem with my ltsp server.
13:56
I configure everything but when i started trhe clients my users can not see the usb memory.
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13:57
<Darkend>
I add the users to the fuse, plugdev group and nothing hapen.
13:57
i edit the /opt/etc/lts.conf file and make a ltsp-update sshkeys and ltsp-update -image.
13:57
I need help please.
13:58
what can i do to solve this problem???
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15:17
<alkisg>
Hi Darkend, what are you client specs? CPU/RAM?
15:46
<Darkend>
cpu i3 4GB RAM DDR3
15:58
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp | echo Darkend:
15:58
<ltsp`>
Darkend: ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
15:59
<alkisg>
Darkend: your clients are good enough to be used as ltsp diskless fat clients
15:59
That means that you won't have to use ltspfs etc anymore, it'll work like normal installations
16:03
<Darkend>
how can i do the image for this method???
16:04
<alkisg>
Follow the wiki page
16:05
<Darkend>
sorry i see them..thank´s
16:05
give me the url please...
16:06
well i will try and latter a talk you.
16:14
<alkisg>
Darkend: the URL is 7 lines above
16:14
I told the ltsp bot to paste it for you
16:14
See again here:
16:15
!ltsp-pnp
16:15
<ltsp`>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
16:17
<Darkend>
ok
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