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Channel log from 30 September 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<Kicer86>
question: i've set X_MODE_0 to 1024x768 and all clients respect it except one. In it's /etx/X11/xorg.conf i see 1024x768, but ldm starts at 800x600. This PC has old monitor but it's resolution can be set at 1024x768 (windows could set it). Graphics card is nvidia geforce 2 mx400.
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<alkisg>
Kicer86: you need to specify X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH for that one.
02:30
Which distro/version?
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<Kicer86>
distro.. it may be a problem, i'm using mandriva, but there is no ltsp version for mandi so i've created debian chroot, installed ltsp inside and then copied /var/lib/tftpboot & /opr/ltsp to my mandriva ;)
02:32
ltsp is newest that lenny provides :)
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<alkisg>
Heh... ok, I was just wondering if you also needed "CONFIGURE_X=True", but maybe not
02:33
<Kicer86>
it's alreade set to true
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<Kicer86>
i can change X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH but hm... where to get correct values ?
02:35
<ogra>
from the handbook of your monitor
02:36
google might help :)
02:36
<Kicer86>
heh, i wonder if this monitor isn't too old to exist in google but i'll check, w8 ;)
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<Kicer86>
got it, testing...
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<Kicer86>
it took a while but works :) thx
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<alkisg_work>
Kicer86: sorry I had to go :)
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(actually I remembered the wrong time and I arrived at work 1 hour earlier :()
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<Tony1>
Anyone here who could help with a display problem?
08:24
One of the LTSP clients is not showing login screen
08:24
<alkisg>
Tony1: distro/version?
08:24
<Tony1>
Ubuntu Server
08:24
Latest
08:25
9.04
08:25
<alkisg>
Did you install using the server cd?
08:25
<Tony1>
No, manually
08:26
<alkisg>
Did you install using the desktop cd?
08:26
<Tony1>
I had it working on the previous server - and no it is a server
08:26
<alkisg>
(there are 3 different cds, the server, the desktop, and the alternate cd, which one did you use?)
08:26
<Tony1>
I installed using the respos - distro is Ubuntu Server 9.04
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<alkisg>
Are other clients booting fine?
08:27
<Tony1>
Everything is working up until the thin clients text based login
08:27
instead of graphical
08:27
screen flashes
08:28
showing X trying to start
08:28
<alkisg>
Are *other* clients booting fine?
08:28
<Tony1>
And the same thin clients were working perfectly fine with the previous server
08:29
I have no other clients to try...
08:29
<alkisg>
OK, let's try experimenting then. Do you have a /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file?
08:30
<Tony1>
yup
08:30
Ill put the file up for you to see
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one sec
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<alkisg>
Try putting XSERVER=vesa in it.
08:32
<Tony1>
this is what is currently looks like
08:32
http://cbskk.com/lts.conf
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<Tony1>
I already have it in up
08:33
<alkisg>
Hmmm try modifying the color depth to 16....
08:33
Also, what graphic cards do your clients have?
08:34
<Tony1>
How do you change the color depth?
08:34
<alkisg>
X_COLOR_DEPTH = 32 ==> change that to 16...
08:35
<Tony1>
It used to work with vesa
08:36
done that... waiting for thin client
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<Tony1>
its working
08:38
thank you
08:38
<alkisg>
Wait
08:38
Using vesa is only the last resort
08:38
<Tony1>
yes?
08:38
ok
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<alkisg>
Try to see if it works without it
08:38
<Tony1>
It doesn't
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<alkisg>
Put a # in front of that line, and reboot the client
08:38
Without the color depth=32
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(didn't you have color depth = 32 when you tried that?)
08:39
Use 16 now.
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<Tony1>
ok
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one sec
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<alkisg>
(what is your chipset, by the way?)
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<Tony1>
Its not working without vesa
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<alkisg>
What chipset do you have?
08:43
<Tony1>
have to check it's ancient
08:43
<alkisg>
Do that, maybe there's a known bug about it, which you could work around...
08:44
E.g. I need to put color depth=24 in my ancient nvidia tnt, otherwise it doesn't work.
08:44
<Tony1>
ok
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<alkisg>
The bios should be reporting the card when you boot the client
08:44
<Tony1>
ok
08:45
STD Nitro 3d or similar
08:45
Sorry STB
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<alkisg>
Do try with color depth=24...
08:46
<Tony1>
kk
08:46
<alkisg>
I think my stb velocity also had the same problem
08:48
<Tony1>
no tisn't working
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<alkisg>
OK leave it at vesa + color depth 16...
08:49
<Tony1>
is there no other way?
08:49
<alkisg>
Can that client boot with an ubuntu live cd?
08:50
<Tony1>
Nope
08:50
No CD drive
08:50
<alkisg>
You can boot the ubuntu live cd from the network... does it have enough ram for that?
08:50
<Tony1>
and I don't think a PII would manage it
08:50
128mb
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<alkisg>
When you tried with color depth=24, did you comment out the vesa line?
08:51
<Tony1>
yes
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<alkisg>
OK... leave it with vesa, I don't think the nv driver would be much better for such an old card in any case
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<alkisg>
If you had something not nvidia based, then it would be worth looking to make it work better, but now I don't think it's worth it.
08:52
<Tony1>
ok Thank You very Much!
08:52
<alkisg>
*Maybe* you'll see in 10.04 that it'll use the nouveau driver and it'll have acceleration
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But don't keep your hopes up... :)
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<Tony1>
thank you! Bye...
08:53
<alkisg>
Bye
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09:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
morning all
09:33
shawnp0wers: how was ohio linux fest?
09:33
<shawnp0wers>
It was awesome
09:33
and since you said hi -- NOW I have questions for you. mwahaahhahaha
09:34
firefox/flash as local app -- why do you shut sound off in lts.conf?
09:34
It seems to work with SOUND=True
09:34
and not so much with SOUND=False
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<shawnp0wers>
BUT, youtube seems to crash after a few minutes
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and crashes ugly
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<jayson>
oooh, I got a pretty easy question :-)
09:37
if I setup an LTSP server, can I use virtualbox to test a 'client' connecting to the LTSP?
09:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
sorry, was distracted
09:37* _UsUrPeR_ reads question
09:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, just read
09:38
if you do not shut off sound=true in lts.conf, the server will consider itself the sound processor
09:39
because of that, anything run via localapps (considered running independently of the server), will not have sound because the server's sound output is considered the "prime candidate" for sound output
09:40
so if you do not shut off sound output via LTS, the sound output will always be considered to be coming from the server. That will allow system sounds to work properly, but none of the localapps have access to the server's sound output
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shawnp0wers: ^^^
09:42
<cyberorg>
jayson, yes
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<shawnp0wers>
_UsUrPeR_: That's what I thought (and taught!) but in practice it seems to not be the case
09:43
with Sound=True, local apps have sound
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and if I set LTS to have sound=false, no sound at all, local apps or not
09:44
I even tried to add pulseaudio packages to the chroot environment, to get the local sound server on the TC to work
09:44
but no beans
09:45
with the sound=true, and local apps, youtube seems to work great, but after a few minutes puke out and crash firefox bad
09:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
shawnp0wers: hmm. That may have changed for sound output
09:45
<cyberorg>
SOUND=False will not start pulseaudio on the client so no sound at all
09:45
<shawnp0wers>
brb, support call
09:45
:)
09:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
I know, for a fact, that getting ekiga to work on clients requires sound=false
09:45
at least in 8.10 it did :)
09:45
that's an issue with recording devices, mind you
09:46* _UsUrPeR_ backtracks out the door
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<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, yeah because pa sucked with any voip client :)
09:46
probably it still does
09:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
pa?
09:46
<cyberorg>
pulseaudio
09:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
naw, ahh
09:47
we actually have it working pretty will in ekiga w/localapps.
09:47
legible conversation, for sure
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<_UsUrPeR_>
that's via a USB headset or a normal audio input
09:53
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, how do you get ekiga as localapp? doesn't it need gconf daemon running?
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<alkisg>
jayson: sure, you can use a vbox client
10:00
<jayson>
alkisg: sweet! Im installing ltsp right now on a server, we might push to use the ltsp for our training rooms, instead of having 10 high end desktops that only use web interfaces
10:00
<alkisg>
Sure, ltsp will be fine for that
10:01
<jayson>
alkisg: you know of a good google link (tried googling earlier, but maybe I have the syntax wrong) on setting up vbox for pxe boot over the network?
10:01
<alkisg>
jayson: just use bridged networking and select boot from lan
10:01
Nothing to setup :)
10:01
<jayson>
sweet
10:01
<alkisg>
(at least in jaunty, I don't know what version do you use...)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: sorry, just looked at my notes about ekiga. No, no need to install gconf daemon on ubuntu 9.04
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<cyberorg>
hmm ok, will give it a try again, twinkle was easy to set up
10:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
cyberorg: remember as a localapp that forwarding has to be set up like with Firefox
10:11
<cyberorg>
_UsUrPeR_, yeah, we handle forwarding very early when setting up networking on openSUSE :)
10:12
just one checkbox to set that up
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<Mighty-D>
Hi
10:39
im having a bad day with some thin clients using nvidia cards
10:40
i managed to install the nvidia driver
10:40
on the chroot enviroment, i can even get the module up and ldm displays a nice resolution, however when i log into gnome screen turns black with the mouse pointer only
10:41
what can be causing this behaviour?
10:41
please help me.
10:41
Thanks beforehand
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<alkisg>
Do you see anything in ~/.xsession-errors?
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<Mighty-D>
that should be in the chroot?, or in the server?
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<alkisg>
In the server, in the user directory
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<Mighty-D>
ok
10:44
i see a lot of info there
10:44
currently
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im using the vesa driver
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: a sabayon question for you if you have a moment.
10:44
<Mighty-D>
im going to restart with nvidia and be back in a while
10:44
thanks alkisg
10:44
ill let you know whatever i see under xsession-errors
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<Mighty-D>
alkisg: ok, i have some xsession-error messages
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do you want to take a look at it?
10:49
<alkisg>
Paste them to pastebot:
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"Mighty-D" pasted "xsession-errors" (61 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/564
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<Mighty-D>
the weird thing, is that if i set xterm alone session
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i can see everything alright
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<alkisg>
Could you log on to the server with that user, then go to system > preferences > appearance (or something like that, I have greek menus) and select "none" in the visual effects tab,
10:53
and then logoff from the server and try to logon on the client with the same user?
10:53
(i.e. disable compiz)
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<Mighty-D>
it is already set that way
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<alkisg>
The "none" is checked? Or nothing is checked?
10:55
Becuse it tries to load compiz...
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<Mighty-D>
ok, in the thin client none is checked
10:55
however
10:55
ill check at the server
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<alkisg>
No no it's a user setting
10:55
Per user
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<Mighty-D>
alksig, i understand. On the thin client the user has none as visual effects
10:56
is there something that we can set at xorg.conf to make compiz disabled
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<alkisg>
OK, I believe you :) I wonder why that is, though: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/home/rarango/.compiz/session/102706cdea420d3d77125432573616400900000271680019"
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<Mighty-D>
yeah. thats weird
10:57
can i uninstall compiz with apt?
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<alkisg>
Mighty-D: another thing I can think of, is that nvidia uses patched opengl libs... I wonder what happens if the server doesn't have those patched libs...
10:58
(your server doesn't have nvidia, right?)
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<Mighty-D>
no
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but
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when i was running kubuntu 8.04 it worked
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same hardware
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<alkisg>
Did it have 3d effects etc enabled?
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<Mighty-D>
no
10:58
we dont want 3d effects
10:59
we just want a nice resolution
10:59
it is at 800x600 right now
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<alkisg>
I don't know, just guessing here, but I wonder if it only happens when the window manager tries to use opengl...
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<Mighty-D>
is there a way to disable opengl from xorg.conf?
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<alkisg>
Sorry, I don't know, wait for some other to answer :)
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<Mighty-D>
alkisg: ok, thanks a lot
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<alkisg>
Yw, sorry for not being able to help more.
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<Mighty-D>
no, i appreciate your help
11:03
im uninstalling compiz right now
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and see if brute force does it
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<Mighty-D>
alkisg: uninstalling compiz did the magic
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:)
11:05
thanks a lot
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after all you were of much help
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:)
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<alkisg>
Heh... go figure :)
11:06
Just for the fun of if, try to run glxgears
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<Mighty-D>
ok
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<alkisg>
...to see if it'll crach it :)
11:06
*crash
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<ogra>
most likely
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<Mighty-D>
yeah, it crashes
11:06* alkisg used nvidia clients *and* nvidia server, and everything worked fine...
11:07
<ogra>
nvidia ships theit own GL libs ... if they are not installed on the server as well you have a discrepancy between client and server X
11:07
<alkisg>
Mighty-D: maybe you should also put an nvidia card on the server :)
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<Mighty-D>
alksig, im not sure the owner of this deployment will pay for it, but ill ask
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:)
11:07
thanks to you all
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btw
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the only thing i need to do is to set X_CONFIG at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/lts.conf per MAC ADDRESS?
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i think this wasnt working yesterday
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ogra, can you help me with this?
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<ogra>
i'm currently very busy (testing and fixing ubuntu beta images), alkisg or many other people in here should be able to help with lts.conf setup
11:14
<alkisg>
Sure, a moment to finish something...
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<Mighty-D>
ogra: thanks a lot anyway
11:14
alkisg: ok, ill wait :)
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
Mighty-D: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<alkisg>
Mighty-D: it's not X_CONFIG, it's X_CONF, but why do you need it per mac address? You only have a few nvidia clients?
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<Mighty-D>
yes
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<ltsppbot>
"MIGHTY-D" pasted "CURRENT lts.conf" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/565
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<Mighty-D>
this is what i have
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Then i set [MA::CA::DD::RE::SS] LIKE=NVIDIA
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<alkisg>
Uhm... you shouldn't need any of those in [default]
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XKBLAYOUT uses the default from console-setup, so you can change it there, to have "es" on the console as well,
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the rest are default values, you don't need them
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<Mighty-D>
ok
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<alkisg>
Now, the X_CONFIG directive doesn't exist; it's X_CONF
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So I wonder why that works for you
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<Mighty-D>
ok
11:24
i just changed it, let me make a reboot and see if it works
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<alkisg>
What are you using again? Jaunty?
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<Mighty-D>
yes
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9.04
11:24
not so good with names, it is jaunty right?
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<alkisg>
You should be able to load the nvidia driver by using lts.conf directives, you shouldn't need a seperate xorg.conf...
11:25
Yup, 9.04 = jaunty
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<Mighty-D>
ok, which directives should i use?
11:25* alkisg looks, it's been a long time since I tried nvidia in the chroot...
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<Mighty-D>
ok, im going to try this settings and be back in 2 minutes at most...
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brb
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<Mighty-D>
alkisg: it didnt work
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back under 800x600 screen :P
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<alkisg>
And you're saying that some time it actually worked, and the nvidia driver was loaded?
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<Mighty-D>
now it works if i write xorg.conf
11:29
it is working
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<alkisg>
Using what, X_CONFIG?!!!
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<Mighty-D>
lts.conf is what isnt
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X_CONF
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let me paste what i used this time
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<alkisg>
I lost you
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<ltsppbot>
"MIGHTY-D" pasted "################ [default] XKB" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/566
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<Mighty-D>
ok, the card is working well
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but lts.conf isnt telling it to use the xorg.conf.nvidia to my system, so i ended up using vesa
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<alkisg>
Heh
11:32
If it's using vesa, then it's not working correctly :)
11:32
You could have made it work with vesa with no lts.conf at all :)
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<Mighty-D>
yes, what i dont understand is why it doesnt uses xorg.conf.nvidia
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<alkisg>
Anyway, remove the X_CONF line completely, and try those:
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<Mighty-D>
ok
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<alkisg>
XSERVER=nvidia
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MODULE_01=nvidia
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X4_MODULE_01=glx
11:33
johnny says that the last one isn't needed; so try with or without the last one
11:34
Put those under the default section
11:34
I'm not quite sure that your mac address section is correct...
11:34
<johnny>
i said it?
11:34
<Mighty-D>
but what happens to the other clients?
11:34
<alkisg>
johnny: yup, a month or so ago...
11:34
<johnny>
oh
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<alkisg>
Mighty-D: are they booting right now?
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<johnny>
nvidia should pull in glx
11:35
<Mighty-D>
no
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<alkisg>
Mighty-D: I mean only temporarily, to see if it works..
11:35
<Mighty-D>
ahh ok
11:35
<alkisg>
Then we'll look at your mac address section
11:35
<johnny>
i just use nouveau now.. altho it isn't perfect.. still better than vesa
11:35
<alkisg>
johnny: I use that too, fills my needs except that it crashes sometimes...
11:35
<johnny>
i get perfect 1680x1050 res both on boot, and in X :)
11:35
it has yet to crash on me..
11:35
<alkisg>
...and also has xv for video
11:36
<johnny>
but yours is probably older than mine
11:36
<alkisg>
...but no 3d for me :(
11:36
<johnny>
probably recent fixes
11:36
<Mighty-D>
ok, be back in a while
11:36
<alkisg>
Mighty-D: ok
11:36
<johnny>
i'm running f12 alpha (soon to be beta)
11:36
<alkisg>
johnny: yeah I last tried it with karmic alpha 1 I think...
11:36
<johnny>
lots of things have changed since then
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<alkisg>
johnny: "both on boot and in X" ==> kms?
11:37
<johnny>
yes
11:37
<alkisg>
Wow... haven't seen that yet
11:37
I might just try it on my laptop :)
11:37
johnny: how would you compare fedora to ubuntu?
11:37
<johnny>
the beta should be coming soon.. i think around the 10th
11:37
but you could have a snap if you wanted..
11:38
compare in what way?
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<alkisg>
Which things are better in fedora, which in Ubuntu etc
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<johnny>
i'm a bleeding edge kinda person.. and fedora is usually there before ubuntu
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<Mighty-D>
alkisg: ok, it worked :)
11:38
back on 1280 res
11:38
<johnny>
alkisg, mostly because many of the upstream developers are actually employees of redhat
11:39
<alkisg>
Mighty-D: and `xvinfo` shows a list of things? or "no adaptor present" ?
11:39
<johnny>
so i got the devicekit-disks and palimpest ui first.. which worked nice
11:39
it was cool to be able to change my encrypted partition password through gui easily..
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<Mighty-D>
a list of things
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<alkisg>
Mighty-D: nice, enjoy :)
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<Mighty-D>
so, i just move that to the per mac settings?
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<johnny>
the ui isn't perfect, but getting better, and you get smart reports too..
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<alkisg>
johnny: and rpm vs deb? Any drawbacks there?
11:40
<johnny>
not for me.. it ends up being about the same for the most part
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<alkisg>
Mighty-D: yup, but do post a mac address entry here, for us to see if it's ok...
11:40
<Mighty-D>
ok
11:40
<johnny>
yum install vs apt-get install
11:41
<alkisg>
OK for the easy stuff, but for more difficult dependencies or removals? No problems there?
11:41
<johnny>
altho i think that some of the command in rpm should also be in yum :(
11:41
<ltsppbot>
"Mighty-D" pasted "MAC SETTING" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/567
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<johnny>
removals.. haven't really tried
11:41
deps seem ok
11:41
altho i do miss the "recommended" options i think
11:41
<alkisg>
Mighty-D: seems fine to me, go ahead :)
11:42
<johnny>
but i guess i haven't really needed them
11:42
<Mighty-D>
Ok..
11:42
back in a while
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<alkisg>
Thanks johnny....
11:42
/me has to leave, bbl...
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<Mighty-D>
ok, alkisg thanks for all your time
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<alkisg>
np
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11:42* Lns wonders why some people don't get the /me command executed
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<johnny>
hmm?
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<Lns>
johnny: for instance when you do the /me command i just see /me, not the action
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<johnny>
ooh.. problem in my transport then
11:50
<Lns>
For anyone who's interested, I've started doing some HOWTO videos on youtube regarding LTSP - there's only a few up right now but I plan on doing a bunch more now that I got the hang of xvidcap ;) http://www.youtube.com/user/logicalnetworkingnet
11:50
<johnny>
Lns, i don't connect with a standard irc client, i use a jabber only client
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<Lns>
ah, gotcha
11:50
that could be why
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<johnny>
Lns, i don't think so.. the problem is the transport acting as the irc client
11:51
i think it has bug
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12:10
<jayson>
does anyone know if the k12ltsp live, have the ltsp-vmclient installed on it? I want to test some settings running the k123ltsp in virtualbox and run a connection to it without screwing with our dhcp server on the network
12:10
and without having to run it on a physical machine with a switch
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<Lns>
jayson: not sure, but good luck with the network settings in vbox ;) just worked with that the other day, its kind of a pain when you need a separate network of virtual machines that talk to each other
12:14
i still don't think i have it right but i don't think i really need it at this point
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<jayson>
I still have some reading to do I guess. If I want to deploy this to the training room, no other machine on the network should be getting a dhcp address from the ltsp server, but the training room machines should still be allowed to get on the internet
12:16
hehe, maybe I should fire up the server, do a quick connect of a client, and then disable dhcpd once the client is connected.....just in case
12:17
<cg_uira>
Hi, I have a problem to boot a ltsp client with nic isa 3c509
12:18
I'm trying with: option option-129 "NIC=3c509"; in dhcpd.conf
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but I have de follow error: unknown option dhcp.option-129
12:20
Someone know how I need to configure this nic?
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<johnny>
why would you need a dhcp option for that?
12:21
just load it in lts.conf
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<cg_uira>
I don't know exactly, I found it in the web
12:21
<johnny>
MODULE_01=3c509
12:21
<cg_uira>
how?
12:21
<johnny>
or something like that..
12:22
read lts-paramters.txt.gz
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<cg_uira>
ok, I will try
12:23
I think that I need load the module in ltsp server too, because last time, was a kernel panic in the client try to load de image
12:23
I need load a module for 3c509 in ltsp server?
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<johnny>
no
12:26
it might mean you need to rebuild the initramfs to include that driver tho
12:26
but won't know until you try probing it
12:26
<cg_uira>
ok
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<cg_uira>
johnny: I tryed with MODULE_01=3c509 in lts.conf
12:51
but, not work
12:51
<johnny>
it could be that your module isn't in the initramfs
12:51
so it can't be loaded
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<cg_uira>
how I can load it
12:52
<johnny>
i don't know how to fix up the initramfs exactly.. on your distro
12:52
but you could make sure it exists to be loaded like this
12:52
<cg_uira>
it's ubuntu
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<johnny>
find /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules -iname '3c509*'
12:53
do that command
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<cg_uira>
johnny: the output was /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.ko
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<johnny>
ok cool
12:58
so you probably do need to rebuild your initramfs
12:58
i'm not sure how tho.. somebod else will tho
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<cg_uira>
thanks, I'll search how to rebuild initramfs
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<johnny>
rebuild it after adding your module of course
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<cg_uira>
sure
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<alkisg>
jayson: what exactly are you looking for? to have a virtual ltsp lab over a physical lab? :D
13:05
<wesblake>
Hello all. I have what seems like a small issue with finalizing my fatclient. I run a network of about 20 ltsp clients here. Right now they are thin clients, and Im getting speed complaints. Everyone's "thin client" is actually a full blown desktop, so I've built a fatclient image using the following script: http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid . Script works (Im on an Ubuntu 9.04 server) but
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: ping?
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<alkisg>
wesblake: your message was cut in "Script works (Im on an Ubuntu 9.04 server) but ", you may want to post the rest of it.
13:11
<wesblake>
Script works (Im on an Ubuntu 9.04 server) but when you boot up a client and try to login you get "Your home directory is listed as :"/home/userdir/" but it doesn't appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the / (root) directory as your home directory? It is unlikely anything will work unless you use a failsafe session." The NFS /home share is not mounting apparently despite me creating the nfs share AND triple-checking the nfsmounts.sh script on the client,
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<johnny>
you need ctrl + alt +f# to move away, and then alt + f# to move between
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<wesblake>
Doh! I think I got it, will let you know after a reboot, but I think both the Ubuntu LTSP docs and the Nubae script are missing sudo before the mount command!
14:19
<_UsUrPeR_>
anyone in here familiar with pam?
14:19
ldap-specific....
14:19
not a girl named pam...
14:20
<Gadi>
There once was a girl named Pam,
14:20* _UsUrPeR_ facepalms
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<Gadi>
Who found herself caught in a jam,
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she searched all around
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and finally found
14:21
a date with our own CAN-o-SPAM
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;)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
...
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14:22
<Gadi>
hehe - I know he enjoys a good limerick
14:22
;)
14:23
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: thanks. I needed that
14:23
<Gadi>
so, whats troubling you? belly up to th bar
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: having a problem with changing LDAP user passwords via passwd in terminal
14:24* CAN-o-SPAM 's ears are ringing
14:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
I am seeing that pam.d/common-password is the place to start looking
14:24
gadi: here's my common-password thus far
14:24
http://pastebin.com/m3d2ca93
14:26* alkisg wonders why noone made a libpam-sshfs yet... which would authenticate the users by ssh'ing to the server, and use that connection to mount /home/username with sshfs... That would make a really, really simple alternative to LDAP & NFS home dirs. :(
14:27
<Gadi>
alkisg: mention it to sbalneav and he'll whip it up for you in 30 minutes
14:27
:)
14:27
he's good like that
14:27
<alkisg>
Gadi: I did, yesterday, and today he's nowhere to be found... I wonder if that made him sick or something :D
14:27
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: not sure that passwd is supposed to update ldap records
14:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: right now, the error I am getting is "passwd: authentication information cannot be recovered". I could see how passwd should not be able to change a user's password, but how are ldap users supposed to change their passwords in a LDAP-run thinclient environment then?
14:31
<johnny>
you can make pam change passwords iirc.. as long as passwd knows how to talk to it
14:31
depends on what you have in /etc/pam.d/passwd
14:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: here's what I have: http://pastebin.com/m3d2ca93
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<johnny>
i don't know how :)
14:32
that won't help me
14:32
but try asking in a non ltsp channel
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<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: I take it back, you should be able ot use passwd
14:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: yeah, I'll go elsewhere. #ldap says they don't deal with pam
14:33
<Gadi>
but, the user needs to have access to his password entry in the ldap directory
14:33
<johnny>
no .. they don't :)
14:33
<_UsUrPeR_>
much to my chagrin
14:33
<johnny>
too bad there is no #linux-sysadmin channel..
14:33
that people talked about distro agnostic things like this
14:33
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: make sure the user has ability to read *and* write *his* password
14:33
<johnny>
as most of the distro channels are full of people asking regular usage questions
14:34
i've spent like 5 hours trying to figure out something really dumb
14:34
:(
14:34
i finally figured it out..
14:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: been there
14:35
<johnny>
i went from 100% of all tests failing to around 2% failing :)
14:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
for the record: is it ok to ask non-ltsp questions in here if the channel's dead?
14:37
<Gadi>
only in the form of a limerick ;)
14:38
_UsUrPeR_: at the end of the day, I suspect the problem is in slapd.conf
14:38
or slapd.conf.d these days
14:39
unless you are sure that a user has write perms on his own password
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<johnny>
_UsUrPeR_, sure .. it's just that many of the things you personally seem to have trouble with are seriously advanced cases that most people can't help with, and you can find better help elsewhere
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<Gadi>
but sometimes you wanna go where everybody knows ur name
14:40
and they're always glad u came
14:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: yeah, well not to toot the #ltsp horn, but this place is 100 times more responsive than some of the other places out there. Also: helpful
14:41
asking never hurts, after all
14:42
<Gadi>
unless you ask ogra why he's not wearing liederhosen
14:42
that kind of asking usually hurts
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<chrisinajar>
Anyone happen to know a quantifyable way to benchmark window manager performance?
14:47
doing it by eye right now, which for obvious reasons isn't a very good idea...
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<jayson>
dang, ltsp-build-client really does take forever like the how-to says
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<wesblake>
Ok ladys and gents. Adding sudo before the mount line of nfsmounts.sh did not work for me either. I can indeed boot the client, do ctrl + alt + F1, login, then run the script and the /home gets mounted, but the script fails at startup. As the startup messages passed by, I saw an error indicating something about mounting, but it goes too fast to read it. Is there some log file I can look at that shows the text that scroll by when the thin client boots up?
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15:35
<johnny>
wesblake, same as normal? look in /var/log
15:35
<wesblake>
Thanks, tried that. Most of the logs (messages, boot) are empty. :(
15:37
<johnny>
try hitting scrolllock..
15:38
wesblake, perhaps you should post to the list so nubae can read it..
15:38
<wesblake>
You mean hit scrolllock while booting up?
15:40
<johnny>
yes
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<wesblake>
Cool, I'll try that. Man, that's the last hurdle. If I run the script like you said after booting up, then login just to test, the fatclient is WAY faster than our thin clients, the users are going to love this!
15:42
<johnny>
of course it's going to be faster :)
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<wesblake>
Ok, I think scrolllock helps a lot. The two lines that show up where the script is running are:
15:47
mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking.
15:47
mount.nfs: Either use '-o nolock' to keep locks local, or start statd
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<wesblake>
I'm going to try to just add the nolock option then to the script, do you think that would cause any issues in the long run?
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<johnny>
how about just adding rpc.statd
15:58
to start up
15:58
lol
15:59
or whatever other nfs scripts you have in /etc/init.d.. it might just be nfslock or somethin
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<wesblake>
Ok, I'll try that first. Thanks. :)
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<alkisg>
Doesn't the latest LTSP have some fat client support?
15:59
Or is that too experimental?
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<wesblake>
I think it does, the other guide where I got the fatclient script, but it required LDAP and I found that way too complicated for me to figure out. The fatclient script doesnt need LDAP.
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<alkisg>
Really? I thought it used the users from the server, no ldap or other stuff... Are we talking about the same thing?
16:01
I think that new fat client support only got here a few weeks ago, didn't it?
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<wesblake>
I used the docs here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
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The first way is the fatclient script I'm trying to use, the second 2 require LDAP
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<alkisg>
Nope, I'm talking about *upstream* support
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<wesblake>
Perhaps these methods are outdated though.
16:02
<johnny>
alkisg, i don't think it is jaunty tho is it?
16:02
it might be in karmic when it comes out tho
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<alkisg>
johnny: no, but he could surely use stgraber's ppa
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It has backports for jaunty there
16:03
<johnny>
ah
16:03
<alkisg>
(the same version as in karmic)
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<johnny>
well wesblake compare the one in there vs the one that you got from that wikipage
16:03
<alkisg>
I've even seen some fixes after the initial implementation, so someone is testing it... I don't know if it's production ready, though...
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<wesblake>
I'm not aware of what stgrabber's ppa is?
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<alkisg>
It's the repository of the ubuntu developer that's part of the ltsp developers team
16:05
So it has the latest ltsp versions there for ubuntu
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!stgraber-ppa
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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<wesblake>
I see. I'll have to look into that, thanks.
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<alkisg>
I think you'll find some info in the ltsp mailing list
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<wesblake>
I think I've figure out this one though. Looks like statd is started by /etc/init.d/nfs-common which is running RIGHT after the nfsmounts.sh script. I'm adding that into the script so it starts before. If it works, I'll be sure to at least post it on the Nubae site.
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<alkisg>
Finally!!! Automatically (=from pxelinux) detect amd64 clients: http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/Ifcpu64.c32
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<Pulga1>
where can I find books about ltsp??
16:34
books or periodics?
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<johnny>
there are no books arethere?
16:36
i don't think so
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!docs
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<ltspbot>
johnny: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<johnny>
that's the closest thing we have to a book
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<Pulga1>
scientific researches??
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aout it
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about
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<johnny>
nope
16:38
you can be the first
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altho i'm not sure what information you would get tho..
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not sure if it is worth doing anyways
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<Pulga1>
I need books explainig its arquitetura
16:41
arquiteture
16:41
authors
16:41
something I read that has a author
16:41
internet doesnt
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<johnny>
our docs do..
16:45
they have authors.. you can even read the history
16:45
read the docs
16:45
they are good
16:45
<Pulga1>
ok
16:45
iam getting graduated and I need these
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