IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 January 2009   (all times are UTC)

00:03
<kc8pxy>
johnny: ?? i'm logged into the vbox client. i also have access to a chroot, but i'm not logged into that.
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00:09
<johnny>
logged into the vbox client as root?
00:20
<kc8pxy>
johnny: yeah.. i don't have any other user acct's i knew of.
00:21
<johnny>
that's fine.. just making sure you set the root pass and all
00:21
so.. # startx didn't work?
00:21
<kc8pxy>
yes
00:21
it did'nt find an xserver
00:22
<johnny>
it should try to start one.. so that makes no sense..
00:22
try X -configure
00:23
<kc8pxy>
X : command not found
00:24
xinit tossed a few errno's
00:24
2, then 111 then 3
00:24
when i ran startx.
00:24
X is not there.
00:25
johnny: gar :-( this should not be this hard :-(
00:26
<johnny>
then you're missing something..
00:26
i don't know how you ran into that problem.. that is for sure
00:26
you should have xorg-server installed right?
00:26
try emerge ldm -av
00:26
in the chroot
00:30
<kc8pxy>
wants to recompile ldm and pull in bzr(new)
00:32
johnny: that help??
00:32* kc8pxy thinks not
00:34
<johnny>
ok.. so that's ifne
00:34
xorg-server ?
00:41
<kc8pxy>
Total: 69 packages (69 new), Size of downloads: 0 kB
00:41
johnny: i'd say we have our cluprit :)
00:42
<johnny>
hmm.. i wonder why it didn't pull it in
00:42
i'm just gonna start packing up my chroots as a stage4 and distribute that :)
00:43
i really have been hoping to see some movement in the genkernel initrd issues
00:44
i'll have to poke agaffney again soon
00:44
<Ryan52>
ugh this makes me mad. I've been using a Fedora system a lot in the last month or so and I wrote a bunch of scripts for kvm on it that all worked perfectly. I copied them over to my Debian laptop and everything appears to work, but it doesn't. and the scripts were based off of an Ubuntu tutorial, too, so they should work :(. stuff is going through the bridge right now, so netowrking works...just not when I tell kvm to use a tap device (which is also part
00:45
kc8pxy, any ideas? since you are the one who taught me how to use all that fancy stuff...:)
00:45
<kc8pxy>
johnny: i second the stage4 stageballs for ltsp.
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00:46
<kc8pxy>
Ryan52: you cut off at "I tell kvm to use a tap device (which is also part" ........
00:47
<Ryan52>
of that bridge).
00:47
:)
00:47
(that was it)
00:48
<kc8pxy>
Ryan52: kk.. i ran into the issues with tap/bridge in ubuntu also. it's probably some "wonky" assumptions in /proc/sys/net/
00:49
Ryan52: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
00:49
<Ryan52>
my scripts accounts for that :)
00:49
echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
00:50
oh, and my networking just stopped there.
00:50
I had to delete the bridge and bring it up as usual.
00:50
(that also happens every hour or so when I use a bridge..
00:50
)
00:52
it works perfectly on my Fedora desktop machine...which pisses me off, because I already had to patch kvm to get arrow keys to work right, and the terminal displays stuff weird.
00:54
well, I guess I should just suck it up and use that.
00:58
<kc8pxy>
what??
00:58
my evolution just dies.
00:58
died
00:58
and won't start,
01:16
night guys,
01:16
<Ryan52>
bye
01:16
<kc8pxy>
I'll report on the effect of xorg-server in the morning.
01:17
what does gcharts do anyway, Ryan52 ?
01:17
<Ryan52>
it makes pretty charts..
01:17
and graphs..
01:17
and stuff.
01:17
<kc8pxy>
of what in fgdb?
01:17
<Ryan52>
reports over time.
01:17
a work in progress, that doesn't support much yet.
01:18
<kc8pxy>
kk
01:18* kc8pxy may have a nice use for that :)
01:18
<kc8pxy>
bught
01:18
night
01:18
<Ryan52>
g'nite
01:18
<kc8pxy>
see.. i can't even type straight :)
01:19
<Ryan52>
:)
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04:43
<alkisg>
I think my TCs hang due to a driver bug (r8169). I'm at school now, so I can test things. Is there anything I can test, like, loading a different module or passing some parameters to it or something? I just bought the gigabit TP-LINK cards, I don't want to buy others... :(
04:43
<Appiah>
=/
04:43
there are parameters to load with the module
04:44
you can pass them to autoload
04:44
<alkisg>
When the clients hang, and if I've switched to the console, I see a bunch of kernel errors, e.g. [ 1180.044635] [<c01378d4] ? irq_exit+0x44/0x90
04:44
Appiah: where can I find such parameters?
04:44
<Appiah>
hmm
04:44
try putting irqpoll in the clients boot parameter
04:44
<ogra>
ogra@osiris:~$ modinfo r8169|grep parm
04:44
parm: rx_copybreak:Copy breakpoint for copy-only-tiny-frames (int)
04:44
parm: use_dac:Enable PCI DAC. Unsafe on 32 bit PCI slot. (int)
04:44
parm: debug:Debug verbosity level (0=none, ..., 16=all) (int)
04:45
<alkisg>
thanks both, trying...
04:45* ogra would try debug for a start ... and enable syslog
04:47
<alkisg>
(sidenote: everything hangs, even REISUB doesn't work, but pulling the cable off and putting it on back again _does_ display messages on the console...!)
04:47
<ogra>
are you sure its the NIC driver ?
04:47
<alkisg>
I think I saw 8169 in some of the messages dumped on screen
04:48
and I can easily reproduce it by running netperf from the console, so I think it's the driver...
04:50
...and e.g. one of the messages I'm seeing now is: [1573.012341] [<addresss>] net_rx_action+0x180/0x230
04:50
net_rx => I guess network receive..
04:51
I think I'll try polling first
04:57
...netperf shows ~100 mbps instead of ~150 mbps, so irqpoll is in effect, lets see if it helps...
05:06
YEEEEEAH!!!!!! Thanks guys, irqpoll fixed it! :)
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06:11
<Appiah>
alkisg: nice
06:12
<alkisg>
I used the "irqpoll" kernel parameter to solve a hanging problem with the r8169 nic module (thanks Appiah!), but it came with a performance loss. Is it possible to use the driver from the realtek site instead of irqpoll?
06:14
...and more to the point, how?!! :) Here's the site: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=4&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true
06:14
I guess I can compile the driver, but then what? Override r8169.ko in the chroot with it?
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06:25
<Appiah>
download and compile it against your kernel
06:26
then remove the .ko and replace it with the new one
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06:26
<Appiah>
if you're running ubuntu you will need kernel source , kernel headers and build-essenstials
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06:30
<alkisg>
Appiah: in the source it says that "This driver is modified from r8169.c in Linux kernel 2.6.18" - so maybe they're just the same thing... :(
06:30
<Appiah>
=/
06:31
<alkisg>
Hm... it also says "This product is covered by one or more of the following patents: US5,307,459," - bah, I'm at a loss
06:31
<Appiah>
my own machine at home dont work so well without irqpoll, and my card uses the same NIC
06:31
<alkisg>
I guess I'll leave irqpoll and lose about ~50 mbps of bandwidth. Whatever.
06:31
<Appiah>
wonder what it really is causing it
06:31
<alkisg>
Bad irq handling, bad spin locks... who knows
06:33
I wonder how many people have this NIC and their PCs hang once in a while and don't know why... :P
06:33
<Appiah>
;)
06:33
My comp just booted veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slow
06:33
without irqpoll
06:34
<alkisg>
So, what cheap chipsets are well supported out there?
06:34
Aside from the expensive intel...
06:34
I don't know what to buy for the next lab! :)
06:35
<Appiah>
http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/3/29/103 (fixed) ?
06:36
<cyberorg>
alkisg, i recommend intel, peace of mind with little extra cost, it has most open source friendly hardware
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06:37
<alkisg>
cyberorg: I totally agree with you for the (cheap!) intel onboard vga cards, but for nics it's like 250 € instead of 60 €, and most schools here are on a very limited budget ...:(
06:39
<cyberorg>
alkisg, you can just get normal celeron+boards to build clients, they all have onboard nics that do pxe boot
06:40
<alkisg>
We're upgrading old labs, so we already have ancient celerons @450 - @600 MHz, we just upgrade them to gigabit at 7€ each! :)
06:47
<cyberorg>
ok :)
06:49
<alkisg>
Well, I guess I'll have to try "ASUS NX1101" with 8€ for the next lab.
06:51
<cyberorg>
next best thing is ATI+AMD boards
06:52
<alkisg>
ATI/AMD nic?
06:52
I'm only looking for nics... :)
06:53
<cyberorg>
i thought you were looking for whole box
06:54
<alkisg>
No, that's why I said that we're upgrading existing labs and we already have celerons (along with the box - I didn't say that... :))
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07:38
<rjune_>
alkisg: intel eepro 100 shouldn't be too expensive
07:43
<alkisg>
rjune_: isn't that 100Mbps? The cheapest intel I could find was at 26 € (INTEL PRO/1000 GT DESKTOP ADAPTER BULK), while TP-LINK TG-3269 is at 7 €...
07:44
<rjune_>
yeah, the eepro 100 is 100Mbps. I've not tried to look for one lately
07:44
<alkisg>
rjune_: thanks, I was looking to upgrade my existing 100 mbps NICs to gigabit...
07:45
<rjune_>
ah..
07:45
I missed that.
07:45
<alkisg>
np
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08:59
<sbalneav>
Wow
08:59
Landing a jet on the water.
09:00
As far as *I*'m aware, NO ONE's ever successfully managed that before.
09:00
Every water landing's resulted in the disintigration of the plane, and significant loss of life.
09:00
It's AMAZING he pulled it off. Guy's got some skills.
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09:40
<pmatulis>
sbalneav: you just have to start your descent early so your landing angle is shallow. i've done it before
09:40
<sbalneav>
You've ditched a jet plane in the water?
09:41
<pmatulis>
yup
09:41
<sbalneav>
You're a commercial airline pilot?
09:41
<pmatulis>
yessir
09:42
i've also landed a plane in the far north. that time i used the pine trees to slow me down. another easy maneuvre
09:42
<CAN-o-SPAM>
what did u do after you landed your plane in pine trees? walk home?
09:43
<sbalneav>
These are SMALL planes you're talking about though, right? Not 180 seaters?
09:43
<pmatulis>
no, the big boys
09:44
CAN-o-SPAM: the tips of the pine trees (must be yellow pine) just *slow* you down. at the end of course they get crushed
09:44
<sbalneav>
Wow, can you point me to a news article on the pine trees one? I'd love to read about it!
09:44
<pmatulis>
sbalneav: it's being kept hush-hush by the RCMP. not sure why
09:45
<CAN-o-SPAM>
RCMP?
09:45
<pmatulis>
i think they want to use my ideas
09:45
<CAN-o-SPAM>
royal canadian military police?
09:45
<pmatulis>
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/index-eng.htm
09:46
"mounted" as in "mount your horse"
09:47
<sbalneav>
So you're in Canada? Where you at?
09:47
<pmatulis>
a couple of them came trotting by when i climbed out of the cockpit. boy, were they surprised
09:47
<CAN-o-SPAM>
so you fly for fun? or for government? or for commericial?
09:48
<nubae>
CAN-o-SPAM: u asked about ltsp articles... here is the one I talked about:
09:48
<pmatulis>
used to be for fun, i've since been enlisted to do special missions for the CSIS
09:48
<nubae>
http://www.olpcnews.com/software/sugar/xo_acer_aspire_one_thin_client_sugar.html
09:49
<CAN-o-SPAM>
CSIS?
09:49
<pmatulis>
http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/index-eng.asp
09:49
Canadian Security Intelligence Service
09:49
but please don't ask me any more questions on that
09:50
<sbalneav>
Got any pointers to the water landing?
09:50
I'd love to read on that one too.
09:50
<pmatulis>
sbalneav: i've already taught you the basics
09:51
<sbalneav>
So, no articles?
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09:51
<pmatulis>
sorry, no
09:51
<sbalneav>
RCMP needed to keep that one covered up too? Or CSIS
09:52
<pmatulis>
the RCMP don't give a damn about water issues!
09:52
<CAN-o-SPAM>
pmatulis: is RCMP or CSIS going to use LTSP?
09:52
<pmatulis>
their horses sink
09:52
CAN-o-SPAM: beautiful question, i'm not sure
09:52
<CAN-o-SPAM>
well why not? i think they should
09:53
<sbalneav>
Calling bullsh*t as of Friday, January 16, 2009, at 9:53 on pmatulis.
09:53
<nubae>
:-)
09:53
<pmatulis>
sbalneav: i had you going for a while
09:53
<CAN-o-SPAM>
nubae: cool! i saw the article written on ur blog before
09:53
<sbalneav>
The pine trees did it.
09:54
<pmatulis>
sbalneav: :)
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09:54
<CAN-o-SPAM>
valiant effort, but not very believeable
09:54
<nubae>
actually that kinda sounded plausible
09:54
<sbalneav>
I was willing to beleive an airline pilot might be in here.
09:54
<CAN-o-SPAM>
MS Flight Simulator does not count as an airline pilot
09:54
<pmatulis>
heh
09:55
<sbalneav>
But back to my ORIGINAL point: that guy in NYC's got some skills.
09:56
And a pair of Cojones.
09:56
<ogra>
he had no choice ... :)
09:56
<sbalneav>
Hats off to him. You guys see his picture.
09:56
<ogra>
you grow cojones in that case
09:56
<sbalneav>
ogra: Well, he had no choice to LAND
09:57
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0115093hero1.html
09:57
<ogra>
and i guess you grow them as quickly as *plopp*
09:57
<sbalneav>
Guy LOOKS like a badass
09:57
<nubae>
cnn had that on for the whole day... funny how thats the most important news in the world
09:57
<sbalneav>
Well, it's amazing.
09:58
I wouldn't call it the most important, but it's nice to have some GOOD news for a change.
09:58
<CAN-o-SPAM>
agreed.
09:58
<nubae>
"US Airways pilot who today amazingly crash-landed a US Airways jet in New York's Hudson River without any apparent fatalities."
09:58
what is an apparent fatality :-)
09:59
like they haven't died yet?
09:59
<sbalneav>
It's either that, or go and depress myself some more reading news about Gaza or the Economy.
09:59
<CAN-o-SPAM>
i wouldn't mind a flying lesson from him
09:59
<sbalneav>
nubae: It's a Schrodinger fatality.
09:59
<nubae>
heh
10:00
<sbalneav>
We're not sure if he's alive or dead until we open the plane and look.
10:00
Then the wave function collapses.
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10:03* Gadi is quite proud to be a New Yorker this morning
10:06
<sbalneav>
Yeah, is the pilot based out of new york?
10:07
I'm surprised there's no videos of it landing! You'd figure in NYC someone'd be hanging around with a movie cell phone, or a dv recorder or something
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10:20
<Gadi>
plenty f pics, sbalneav
10:20
also, the pilot was incredible, but the citizens just as incredible
10:21
ferries, private boats, rescue teams all converged on the plane within 30 seconds of landing
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10:21
<Gadi>
which was a major reason everyone survived
10:21
the hudson aint exactly a hot tub this time of year
10:24
<sbalneav>
yeah
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12:23
<Q-FUNK>
hm
12:25
<ogra>
hmm ?
12:26
<Q-FUNK>
hm!
12:26
<ogra>
hm
12:27
<Appiah>
O_o?
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13:32
<ByPasS>
I've been offered a lot of HP Compaq T5710 Thin Client, any1 ever tried those units with LTSP ?
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<jammcq>
hello #ltsp
13:34
<ByPasS>
hi there jam :)
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13:42
<kc8pxy>
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:42
i have a working ltsp serer !!:)
13:49
is there a default username?
13:53
ok.. i have a user, and it barfs as soon as ldm verifies my passowrd
13:53
drops to console, and restarts ldm.
13:53
what am i missing still?
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13:59
<nobios_>
kc8pxy: you should try to read the syslog for errors
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14:04
<Gadi>
kc8pxy: make: SCREEN_07=ldm SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
14:05
reboot, try logging in, switch to ctrl-alt-f2 on the client and look at /var/log/ldm.log
14:06
<kc8pxy>
Gadi: i have a chroot open on the nfs.
14:06
Gadi: root is read-only, via nfs. how is it logging?
14:06
<Gadi>
kc8pxy: not in the chroot, but on the client itself
14:07
the runtime client has writable /var
14:07
<johnny>
kc8pxy, tmpfs bindmounts
14:07
<kc8pxy>
johnny: heya :)
14:08
got a ldm prompt.. but success drops me to a cli, then ldm resarts.
14:08
<johnny>
yes.. check your logs
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14:13
<kc8pxy>
pastebot.ing the log.
14:15
<Lns>
warren: K12LTSP is the same as fedora LTSP right?
14:15
<warren>
Lns: K12LTSP is the old name
14:15
<Lns>
just centOS svr/fedora client
14:15
<warren>
Lns: K12Linux is the new name
14:15
<Lns>
oh! ok
14:15
warren: just putting in a link on the ubuntu wiki to related thin client projects
14:15
<ltsppbot>
"kc8pxy" pasted "ldm.log" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/176
14:16
<kc8pxy>
ok, now i have a slightly different result.
14:16
it sats in X, with a watch "busy" cursor, but a black screen.
14:17
<johnny>
do you have ubuntulooks installed?
14:17
altho.. perhaps that doesn't work anymore..
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<kc8pxy>
[I] x11-themes/gtk-engines-ubuntulooks Available versions: 0.9.12-r2 Installed versions: 0.9.12-r2(20:21:34 01/15/09)
14:24
i would like it, if possible, to have ubuntu looks.. most of these users will be more used to ubuntu, than gnetoo.
14:28
<johnny>
no
14:28
ubuntu looks is just a theme engine for ldm
14:29
but i heard it was removed
14:29
i'm not sure if it will still work with ubuntu looks
14:29
<kc8pxy>
what do i use instead?
14:29
<johnny>
i'm not sure if that is a problem
14:29
taking a gander now
14:30
kc8pxy, do you have gtk-engines ?
14:30
<kc8pxy>
I'm headed to the shop, where my ltsp install on gentoo that is intended to be our "production" ltsp, is..
14:30
one sec.
14:31
johnny: only ubuntulooks.. gtk-engines is available, but not installed.
14:32
johnny: could it be that i have low video ram in my vbox config?
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14:32
<kc8pxy>
my vbox "video card" has 12 mb of ram :)
14:32
<johnny>
install gtk-engines
14:33
that's a relatively new change.. one i was waiting for..
14:35
<kc8pxy>
it pulled xhost
14:35
<johnny>
whatever
14:35
<kc8pxy>
kk
14:35
<johnny>
i'm going to hard dep it on ldm
14:35
one less ~arch in the profiles
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<kc8pxy>
hehe
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<johnny>
still need to get the fuse issue worked out
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some stuff is taking forever to stabilize
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<johnny>
uggh..
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<johnny>
kc8pxy, the same packages that i have ~arch.. are still arch!
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since may
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<Morphid>
How's the support for LTSP-5 in fedora?
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<johnny>
good i guess
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<warren_>
What is the lts.conf syntax to force a particular screen resolution?
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like 1024x768
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never did this before
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<alkisg>
warren_: X_MODE_0=1024x768
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<warren_>
thanks, that's what I thought....
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<alkisg>
And CONFIGURE_X=True if you don't have the trunk version...
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<warren>
I'm tagging ltsp-trunk and anything else tonight.
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<KingOfKYA_>
I have a question about the ubuntue package for ltsp where is ltsp-localapps it not where the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup) says it is
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<johnny>
KingOfKYA_, if you're running hardy, you won't have it
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<KingOfKYA_>
is there anyway i can get it \
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is 8.04 hardy i dont remember
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<johnny>
yes
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KingOfKYA_, no
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too much has changed
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you need the other packages for a full experience
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if you wanna monkey around just updating the ltsp packages from the new ubuntu..
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but you'd have to know what you're doing
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<KingOfKYA_>
is there planes for it to some to hardy at a later note or should i upgrade to next version it get it or downgrade
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is there planes to update hardy or should i up to next version
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of ubuntue
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<johnny>
i don't think there are any plans
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<KingOfKYA_>
never mind ansered my owne question
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yeah i now read the ver of the instructions 8.10
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ok thanks
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<KingOfKYA_>
on ubuntu 8.10 my ltsp clients will not load applications locally i have ltsp-localapps setup but its
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donsend do anything where can i look in terms of logs
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on ubuntu 8.10 my ltsp clients will not load applications locally i have ltsp-localapps setup but it does not do anything where can i look in terms of logs
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<Ryan52>
KingOfKYA_ has never heard of punctuation, apparently.
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<SDuensin>
Anybody know how to get thin-client-manager to actually talk to x11vnc? It keeps telling me to install it on the client... I did!
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Or give up and use iTALC?
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<Ryan52>
SDuensin, try in #edubuntu
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<SDuensin>
ko
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Thanks
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23:25* SDuensin throws iTALC out the window
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<SDuensin>
I can't get ica to run on the thinclient. Grrr.
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