johnny: ?? i'm logged into the vbox client. i also have access to a chroot, but i'm not logged into that.
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logged into the vbox client as root?
johnny: yeah.. i don't have any other user acct's i knew of.
that's fine.. just making sure you set the root pass and all
so.. # startx didn't work?
it did'nt find an xserver
it should try to start one.. so that makes no sense..
try X -configure
X : command not found
xinit tossed a few errno's
2, then 111 then 3
when i ran startx.
X is not there.
johnny: gar :-( this should not be this hard :-(
then you're missing something..
i don't know how you ran into that problem.. that is for sure
you should have xorg-server installed right?
try emerge ldm -av
in the chroot
wants to recompile ldm and pull in bzr(new)
johnny: that help??
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ok.. so that's ifne
Total: 69 packages (69 new), Size of downloads: 0 kB
johnny: i'd say we have our cluprit :)
hmm.. i wonder why it didn't pull it in
i'm just gonna start packing up my chroots as a stage4 and distribute that :)
i really have been hoping to see some movement in the genkernel initrd issues
i'll have to poke agaffney again soon
ugh this makes me mad. I've been using a Fedora system a lot in the last month or so and I wrote a bunch of scripts for kvm on it that all worked perfectly. I copied them over to my Debian laptop and everything appears to work, but it doesn't. and the scripts were based off of an Ubuntu tutorial, too, so they should work :(. stuff is going through the bridge right now, so netowrking works...just not when I tell kvm to use a tap device (which is also part
kc8pxy, any ideas? since you are the one who taught me how to use all that fancy stuff...:)
johnny: i second the stage4 stageballs for ltsp.
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Ryan52: you cut off at "I tell kvm to use a tap device (which is also part" ........
of that bridge).
(that was it)
Ryan52: kk.. i ran into the issues with tap/bridge in ubuntu also. it's probably some "wonky" assumptions in /proc/sys/net/
Ryan52: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
my scripts accounts for that :)
echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
oh, and my networking just stopped there.
I had to delete the bridge and bring it up as usual.
(that also happens every hour or so when I use a bridge..
it works perfectly on my Fedora desktop machine...which pisses me off, because I already had to patch kvm to get arrow keys to work right, and the terminal displays stuff weird.
well, I guess I should just suck it up and use that.
my evolution just dies.
and won't start,
I'll report on the effect of xorg-server in the morning.
what does gcharts do anyway, Ryan52 ?
it makes pretty charts..
of what in fgdb?
reports over time.
a work in progress, that doesn't support much yet.
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see.. i can't even type straight :)
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I think my TCs hang due to a driver bug (r8169). I'm at school now, so I can test things. Is there anything I can test, like, loading a different module or passing some parameters to it or something? I just bought the gigabit TP-LINK cards, I don't want to buy others... :(
there are parameters to load with the module
you can pass them to autoload
When the clients hang, and if I've switched to the console, I see a bunch of kernel errors, e.g. [ 1180.044635] [<c01378d4] ? irq_exit+0x44/0x90
Appiah: where can I find such parameters?
try putting irqpoll in the clients boot parameter
ogra@osiris:~$ modinfo r8169|grep parm
parm: rx_copybreak:Copy breakpoint for copy-only-tiny-frames (int)
parm: use_dac:Enable PCI DAC. Unsafe on 32 bit PCI slot. (int)
parm: debug:Debug verbosity level (0=none, ..., 16=all) (int)
thanks both, trying...
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(sidenote: everything hangs, even REISUB doesn't work, but pulling the cable off and putting it on back again _does_ display messages on the console...!)
are you sure its the NIC driver ?
I think I saw 8169 in some of the messages dumped on screen
and I can easily reproduce it by running netperf from the console, so I think it's the driver...
...and e.g. one of the messages I'm seeing now is: [1573.012341] [<addresss>] net_rx_action+0x180/0x230
net_rx => I guess network receive..
I think I'll try polling first
...netperf shows ~100 mbps instead of ~150 mbps, so irqpoll is in effect, lets see if it helps...
YEEEEEAH!!!!!! Thanks guys, irqpoll fixed it! :)
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I used the "irqpoll" kernel parameter to solve a hanging problem with the r8169 nic module (thanks Appiah!), but it came with a performance loss. Is it possible to use the driver from the realtek site instead of irqpoll?
...and more to the point, how?!! :) Here's the site: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=4&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true
I guess I can compile the driver, but then what? Override r8169.ko in the chroot with it?
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download and compile it against your kernel
then remove the .ko and replace it with the new one
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if you're running ubuntu you will need kernel source , kernel headers and build-essenstials
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Appiah: in the source it says that "This driver is modified from r8169.c in Linux kernel 2.6.18" - so maybe they're just the same thing... :(
Hm... it also says "This product is covered by one or more of the following patents: US5,307,459," - bah, I'm at a loss
my own machine at home dont work so well without irqpoll, and my card uses the same NIC
I guess I'll leave irqpoll and lose about ~50 mbps of bandwidth. Whatever.
wonder what it really is causing it
Bad irq handling, bad spin locks... who knows
I wonder how many people have this NIC and their PCs hang once in a while and don't know why... :P
My comp just booted veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slow
So, what cheap chipsets are well supported out there?
Aside from the expensive intel...
I don't know what to buy for the next lab! :)
http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/3/29/103 (fixed) ?
alkisg, i recommend intel, peace of mind with little extra cost, it has most open source friendly hardware
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cyberorg: I totally agree with you for the (cheap!) intel onboard vga cards, but for nics it's like 250 € instead of 60 €, and most schools here are on a very limited budget ...:(
alkisg, you can just get normal celeron+boards to build clients, they all have onboard nics that do pxe boot
We're upgrading old labs, so we already have ancient celerons @450 - @600 MHz, we just upgrade them to gigabit at 7€ each! :)
Well, I guess I'll have to try "ASUS NX1101" with 8€ for the next lab.
next best thing is ATI+AMD boards
I'm only looking for nics... :)
i thought you were looking for whole box
No, that's why I said that we're upgrading existing labs and we already have celerons (along with the box - I didn't say that... :))
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alkisg: intel eepro 100 shouldn't be too expensive
rjune_: isn't that 100Mbps? The cheapest intel I could find was at 26 € (INTEL PRO/1000 GT DESKTOP ADAPTER BULK), while TP-LINK TG-3269 is at 7 €...
yeah, the eepro 100 is 100Mbps. I've not tried to look for one lately
rjune_: thanks, I was looking to upgrade my existing 100 mbps NICs to gigabit...
I missed that.
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Landing a jet on the water.
As far as *I*'m aware, NO ONE's ever successfully managed that before.
Every water landing's resulted in the disintigration of the plane, and significant loss of life.
It's AMAZING he pulled it off. Guy's got some skills.
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sbalneav: you just have to start your descent early so your landing angle is shallow. i've done it before
You've ditched a jet plane in the water?
You're a commercial airline pilot?
i've also landed a plane in the far north. that time i used the pine trees to slow me down. another easy maneuvre
what did u do after you landed your plane in pine trees? walk home?
These are SMALL planes you're talking about though, right? Not 180 seaters?
no, the big boys
CAN-o-SPAM: the tips of the pine trees (must be yellow pine) just *slow* you down. at the end of course they get crushed
Wow, can you point me to a news article on the pine trees one? I'd love to read about it!
sbalneav: it's being kept hush-hush by the RCMP. not sure why
i think they want to use my ideas
royal canadian military police?
"mounted" as in "mount your horse"
So you're in Canada? Where you at?
a couple of them came trotting by when i climbed out of the cockpit. boy, were they surprised
so you fly for fun? or for government? or for commericial?
CAN-o-SPAM: u asked about ltsp articles... here is the one I talked about:
used to be for fun, i've since been enlisted to do special missions for the CSIS
Canadian Security Intelligence Service
but please don't ask me any more questions on that
Got any pointers to the water landing?
I'd love to read on that one too.
sbalneav: i've already taught you the basics
So, no articles?
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RCMP needed to keep that one covered up too? Or CSIS
the RCMP don't give a damn about water issues!
pmatulis: is RCMP or CSIS going to use LTSP?
their horses sink
CAN-o-SPAM: beautiful question, i'm not sure
well why not? i think they should
Calling bullsh*t as of Friday, January 16, 2009, at 9:53 on pmatulis.
sbalneav: i had you going for a while
nubae: cool! i saw the article written on ur blog before
The pine trees did it.
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valiant effort, but not very believeable
actually that kinda sounded plausible
I was willing to beleive an airline pilot might be in here.
MS Flight Simulator does not count as an airline pilot
But back to my ORIGINAL point: that guy in NYC's got some skills.
And a pair of Cojones.
he had no choice ... :)
Hats off to him. You guys see his picture.
you grow cojones in that case
ogra: Well, he had no choice to LAND
and i guess you grow them as quickly as *plopp*
Guy LOOKS like a badass
cnn had that on for the whole day... funny how thats the most important news in the world
Well, it's amazing.
I wouldn't call it the most important, but it's nice to have some GOOD news for a change.
"US Airways pilot who today amazingly crash-landed a US Airways jet in New York's Hudson River without any apparent fatalities."
what is an apparent fatality :-)
like they haven't died yet?
It's either that, or go and depress myself some more reading news about Gaza or the Economy.
i wouldn't mind a flying lesson from him
nubae: It's a Schrodinger fatality.
We're not sure if he's alive or dead until we open the plane and look.
Then the wave function collapses.
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|10:03||* Gadi is quite proud to be a New Yorker this morning|
Yeah, is the pilot based out of new york?
I'm surprised there's no videos of it landing! You'd figure in NYC someone'd be hanging around with a movie cell phone, or a dv recorder or something
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plenty f pics, sbalneav
also, the pilot was incredible, but the citizens just as incredible
ferries, private boats, rescue teams all converged on the plane within 30 seconds of landing
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which was a major reason everyone survived
the hudson aint exactly a hot tub this time of year
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I've been offered a lot of HP Compaq T5710 Thin Client, any1 ever tried those units with LTSP ?
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hi there jam :)
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i have a working ltsp serer !!:)
is there a default username?
ok.. i have a user, and it barfs as soon as ldm verifies my passowrd
drops to console, and restarts ldm.
what am i missing still?
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kc8pxy: you should try to read the syslog for errors
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kc8pxy: make: SCREEN_07=ldm SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
reboot, try logging in, switch to ctrl-alt-f2 on the client and look at /var/log/ldm.log
Gadi: i have a chroot open on the nfs.
Gadi: root is read-only, via nfs. how is it logging?
kc8pxy: not in the chroot, but on the client itself
the runtime client has writable /var
kc8pxy, tmpfs bindmounts
johnny: heya :)
got a ldm prompt.. but success drops me to a cli, then ldm resarts.
yes.. check your logs
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pastebot.ing the log.
warren: K12LTSP is the same as fedora LTSP right?
Lns: K12LTSP is the old name
just centOS svr/fedora client
Lns: K12Linux is the new name
warren: just putting in a link on the ubuntu wiki to related thin client projects
"kc8pxy" pasted "ldm.log" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/176
ok, now i have a slightly different result.
it sats in X, with a watch "busy" cursor, but a black screen.
do you have ubuntulooks installed?
altho.. perhaps that doesn't work anymore..
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[I] x11-themes/gtk-engines-ubuntulooks Available versions: 0.9.12-r2 Installed versions: 0.9.12-r2(20:21:34 01/15/09)
i would like it, if possible, to have ubuntu looks.. most of these users will be more used to ubuntu, than gnetoo.
ubuntu looks is just a theme engine for ldm
but i heard it was removed
i'm not sure if it will still work with ubuntu looks
what do i use instead?
i'm not sure if that is a problem
taking a gander now
kc8pxy, do you have gtk-engines ?
I'm headed to the shop, where my ltsp install on gentoo that is intended to be our "production" ltsp, is..
johnny: only ubuntulooks.. gtk-engines is available, but not installed.
johnny: could it be that i have low video ram in my vbox config?
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my vbox "video card" has 12 mb of ram :)
that's a relatively new change.. one i was waiting for..
it pulled xhost
i'm going to hard dep it on ldm
one less ~arch in the profiles
still need to get the fuse issue worked out
some stuff is taking forever to stabilize
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kc8pxy, the same packages that i have ~arch.. are still arch!
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How's the support for LTSP-5 in fedora?
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good i guess
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What is the lts.conf syntax to force a particular screen resolution?
never did this before
thanks, that's what I thought....
And CONFIGURE_X=True if you don't have the trunk version...
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I'm tagging ltsp-trunk and anything else tonight.
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I have a question about the ubuntue package for ltsp where is ltsp-localapps it not where the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup) says it is
KingOfKYA_, if you're running hardy, you won't have it
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is there anyway i can get it \
is 8.04 hardy i dont remember
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too much has changed
you need the other packages for a full experience
if you wanna monkey around just updating the ltsp packages from the new ubuntu..
but you'd have to know what you're doing
is there planes for it to some to hardy at a later note or should i upgrade to next version it get it or downgrade
is there planes to update hardy or should i up to next version
i don't think there are any plans
never mind ansered my owne question
yeah i now read the ver of the instructions 8.10
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on ubuntu 8.10 my ltsp clients will not load applications locally i have ltsp-localapps setup but its
donsend do anything where can i look in terms of logs
on ubuntu 8.10 my ltsp clients will not load applications locally i have ltsp-localapps setup but it does not do anything where can i look in terms of logs
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KingOfKYA_ has never heard of punctuation, apparently.
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Anybody know how to get thin-client-manager to actually talk to x11vnc? It keeps telling me to install it on the client... I did!
Or give up and use iTALC?
SDuensin, try in #edubuntu
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I can't get ica to run on the thinclient. Grrr.
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