IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 23 February 2014   (all times are UTC)

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03:21
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: so, rather than do the simple thing of just uploading ldm with the one fix you added... i've gotten crazy and tried to update the packaging a bit, which has lead to a yak named multi-arch.
03:23* vagrantc notices a few deprecation warnings during the ldm build...
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03:35
<vagrantc>
it seems we have /usr/lib/ldm hardcoded in at least two places ...
03:35
well, semi-hardcoded
03:37* vagrantc wonders if it makes sense to just set LDM_PLUG_DIR=$libexec
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05:27
<alkisg>
vagrantc: you do remember that this is probably the last ldm to ever be released, right? :P :D
05:28
<vagrantc>
alkisg: that's what we said about the last one :P
05:28
<alkisg>
Are you still planning for an ldm-less jessie release?
05:28
<vagrantc>
planning poorly, more like wistfully dreaming
05:30
how long could it ppossibly take? :)
05:30
<alkisg>
I think we're mostly done with ltsp5, so next time we'll have time to work on ltsp, we can start with the ltsp6 branch...
05:31
If we do it one step at a time, it won't take much
05:31
But if we want all the features in before the first ltsp6 release, it could take months
05:31
E.g. ltspd
05:32
<vagrantc>
it'll be somewhat hard to have them both in parallel ... but that would be an option
05:33
<alkisg>
I mean, we could release a ldm-less ltsp6 in e.g. a month, but without ltspd, without supporting all the ldm* lts.conf variables etc, and consider that the "main ltsp release", with ltsp5 being in maintainance only mode
05:33
And then in the next months, to implement ltspd, to support more lts.conf variables etc
05:34
<vagrantc>
let's skip a bunch of numbers and call it ltsp 2014
05:34
<alkisg>
Haha, np
05:34
LTSP 14.04 :P
05:35* vagrantc would rather have a more obvious version
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05:36
<alkisg>
It's an upstream project, not a distro that combines other software. The major.minor.revision scheme is fine...
05:37
<vagrantc>
when the numbers are arbitrary, people often report just the first number
05:37
<alkisg>
Which makes more sense if it's the "major" number, rather than e.g. a year
05:37
<vagrantc>
whereas if it's obviously a date, i think people might be more likely to remember itt
05:38
<alkisg>
Devs wouldn't remember the features that ltsp had in that date, though...
05:38
<vagrantc>
a little bit better
05:38
wouldn't remember in a version any better than a year
05:39
but whatever, it's just an idea
05:40
<alkisg>
samba 4.x is a major rewrite from samba 3.x. kde 4.x, gnome 3.x too. About systemd 20x compared to 19x, no idea...
05:40
ltsp 4 was its own distro, ltsp 5 isn't, ltsp 6 will be ldm-less
05:41
I don't know major.minor.revision makes more sense to me
05:41
<vagrantc>
there are *huge* feature differences between fairly minor 5.x vs. 5.y
05:41
<alkisg>
That might be our fault
05:41
We could have named init-ltsp.d as ltsp6
05:41
<vagrantc>
we've never really established a roadmap
05:41
so it's hard to know when we've achieved something
05:42
a feature of note
05:42
<alkisg>
I even proposed that back then...
05:43* vagrantc tags/pushes/uploads ldm 2.2.13
05:43* alkisg reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning :)
05:43
<vagrantc>
yeah, the init-ltsp.d was a pretty big innovation
05:47
<alkisg>
wine used date-based versioning before switching to major.minor.revision
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05:59* vagrantc wonders how long before gtk2 is completely dropped
05:59
<vagrantc>
we'd better get ldm-less ltsp working before then!
05:59
<alkisg>
mate-desktop will need 5 years to move to gtk3... I wouldn't worry about that :)
06:00
<vagrantc>
which is, noteably, not in debian
06:00* vagrantc stands corrected
06:00
<alkisg>
Part of it already is, the rest is slowly going in..
06:01
They reported that it would be in 14.04 and in jessie
06:01
I don't know about 14.04 though, FF and all...
06:01
<vagrantc>
mate-desktop is currently in jessie, apparently...
06:01
<alkisg>
Not all of it
06:01
The proposed installation method in jessie is to add their repository
06:02
My roadmap for Greek schools is to offer a 14.04 live cd, and then a jessie/mate-desktop live cd as the upgrade path after 14.04
06:02* vagrantc wonders what the point of a mate-desktop package is if it's incomplete
06:03
<alkisg>
Last I checked, a few weeks back, only 1/3 of the mate packages were available in jessie
06:03
<vagrantc>
doesn't make sense to have broken packages in jessie ... sid, sure.
06:04
<alkisg>
http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mate-desktop.html
06:04
[2014-01-26] mate-desktop 1.6.2-1 MIGRATED to testing (Britney)
06:04
I might have last looked before that date, when mate-desktop was not available
06:05
Ah, this is a good status page: http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/status:debian
06:07
<vagrantc>
https://bugs.debian.org/737013
06:07
that's, uh, the most ridiculous reason for closing a bug.
06:09
"we'r enot ready yet, so we're closing this bug"
06:16* vagrantc can't resist a comment
06:39
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i'm thinking you'll want to sync ldm 2.2.13-1, altough i did do some slight packaging changes
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18:38
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm, has Freenode been DoS'ed again?
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18:54
<ccat>
.
18:54
hello! So ltsp will transfer everything from from server-based graphics cards (like geforce) and sound cards to remote unit, and transfer all mouse, kb, and touchscreen back ... completely transparently?
18:55
<vagrantc>
it doedsn't reaally use the server's hardware, except the CPU
18:55
and ram, and hard disk...
18:56
graphics are all on the local hardware, sound is on the local hardware
18:56
(although software essentially streams the graphics/audio to the client hardware)
18:56
ccat: but basically, yes, that's what it does.
18:59
<ccat>
vagrantc: What if you want to run a cad program that has gpu acceleration -- remotely (like "dumb" terminal)
19:06
<vagrantc>
it may not work very well
19:06
more likely then you'll want to try fatclients
19:06
!fatclient
19:06
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'fatclient', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclients', 'fatclient-printers'
19:06
<vagrantc>
!fatclients
19:06
<ltsp`>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
19:07
<vagrantc>
it's not ubuntu-specific, but that might explain the idea
19:07
ccat: basically fatclients still boot off of the network, but still run everthing locally
19:08
ccat: requires more powerful clients, less powerful server, and takes full advantage of the local hardware
19:13
<ccat>
vagrantc: anyone here know about freenx and such?
19:15
<vagrantc>
you could conceivably use freenx or x2go with LTSP, but it isn't yet upstreamed
19:16
it's not supported out of the box
19:16
but it probably wouldn't be hard to add support
19:16
though those are not necessarily useful on a local network, that would only make sense if you wanted to connect to a server over the internet
19:17
and you wouldn't want to download the whole OS over the internet, so you'd still need some kind of local server
19:22
<ccat>
faq: "server requirements needed for ... where you want to do heavy graphics, interactive games, and Flash animation" -- This *implies* ltsp can xfer graphics fast, but does not say from built-in gpu or/and gpu-card
19:23
vagrantc: -- ltsp faq
19:23
<vagrantc>
where?
19:23
<ccat>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation
19:23
<vagrantc>
it's pretty unrealistic to do media-intensive tasks on a thin client
19:24
wow. those guidelines are about 5 years old
19:25
multiply the ram requirements by 3 or 4
19:25
at least
19:26
<ccat>
then also note "If you intend to make heavy use of graphics work in your curriculum, you may want to add even more, perhaps doubling the previous estimate."
19:26
<vagrantc>
ccat: even for basic web browsing
19:26
ccat: seriously, that document is over 5 years out of date.
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19:27
<ccat>
vagrantc: --- just re graphics
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19:27
<vagrantc>
it is out od date. period.
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19:28
<vagrantc>
miminum client requirements are more like 512MB of ram nowadays
19:28
<ccat>
vagrantc: well, THAT *is* the faq! --- the only concise source of info new users have to understand the sw. :)
19:29
<vagrantc>
like all too many projects, the documentation lags far behind the development
19:30* vagrantc apologizes
19:30* vagrantc wonders if the ltsp manual is any more current
19:31
<ccat>
vagrantc: so modern graphics exceeds current capabilities even though current capabilities exceed that doc?
19:33
<vagrantc>
ltsp manual still uses some of the same outdated information ... hrm.
19:34
ccat: the bus speed of your graphics card to the motherboard is *much* faster than even gigabit network cards.
19:35
ccat: software is not really designed for network transparency these days, so unfortunately, graphics-intensive stuff is unrealistic on thin clients.
19:35
that said, experimentation is far more useful than any documentation- individual use-cases vary *greatly*
19:37
if you need multi-media, use LTSP fatclients. it's really the only sane option.
19:37
then it's not really much different from running a disked machine, and software developer's assumptions are more similar.
19:38
still gain a lot of the advantages of centralization, just requires more capable client hardware
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19:41
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: did you have everything into ltsp-trunk that you wanted in the next upload?
19:42
!alkisg-todo
19:42
<ltsp`>
alkisg-todo: (#1) LDM password hash, or (#2) Hooks for running scripts on these phases: INITRD/INIT/RC/DM/AUTH/LOGIN/SESSION/PERIODIC/LOGOUT/SHUTDOWN
19:42
<vagrantc>
!todo
19:42
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'todo', but I do know about these similar topics: 'vagrant-todo', 'alkisg-todo', 'bts-todo', 'bennabiy_todo'
19:42* vagrantc nudges the ltsp` bot
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<vagrantc_>
hrm. lots of lag today
19:48
!vagrant-todo
19:48
<ltsp`>
vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/ltsp-debian-packaging but note that $(DEBVERS) doesn't work in r1194
19:49
<vagrantc>
!vagrant-todo
19:49
<ltsp`>
vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/sch-scripts/ltsp-debian-packaging but note that $(DEBVERS) doesn't work in r1194
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<vagrantc_>
!forget vagrant-todo 2
19:49
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
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19:56
<ccat>
vagrantc_: (sorry, neighbor at door) --- Really all that is needed is to send the screen image to the remote running as terminal, and send the gui-commands back to the server running the sw
19:57
vagrantc_: --- screen and sound
19:57
<vagrantc_>
it just depends on how intensive that is
19:58
for some tasks, that's fine, and works great as a thin client, for others, not so much.
19:58
<ccat>
vagrantc_: --- oh, and do it 30 to 60 fps :)
19:58
<vagrantc_>
if you know the fps, then you can actually measure how much bandwidth it takes
19:59
there's some formula for resolution X depth X fps or something
19:59
it gets ugly fast
20:00
it's one of the things that makes LTSP not viable over wireless
20:01
<ccat>
vagrantc_: tried 60*1024^2*32/2^30 = 1.875Gb
20:02
vagrantc_: but then there is compression, which could be quite a bit for some images
20:02
<vagrantc_>
there is no compression, unless you use a protocol that uses compression :P
20:04
ccat: at any rate, experimentation with actualy use is really the best measure.
20:04
<ccat>
vagrantc_: so ltsp has no compression??
20:04
<vagrantc_>
it just uses raw X11 protocol
20:04
well, the default configuration uses raw X11
20:05
well, actually, the default configuration typically uses raw X11 over ssh
20:05
but LTSP itself is for the most part, just the OS delivery mechanism
20:06
you can configure it to do whatever you want.
20:07
compression does significantly increase the server and client hardware requirements, which is a balancing act and often times will slow down performance
20:08
that's where NX/x2go do targeted compression of things that make sense, but those protocols are also about reduced latency
20:09
<ccat>
vagrantc_: what about rdp?
20:10
<vagrantc_>
LTSP does have some built-in support for rdp
20:10
LDM itself can connect over RDP, and there are also scripts that use rdesktop/xfreerdp
20:11
<ccat>
vagrantc_: (re updating info, start here! -- especially as it is not even listed yet -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software
20:15
<vagrantc_>
ltsp can use, or can be adapted to use, any protocol that will run on linux
20:15
it's just a network booted OS
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<ccat>
vagrantc_: "LTSP is a collection of software that turns a normal GNU/Linux installation into a terminal server. " -- more to fix?
20:26
<vagrantc_>
i don't see anything wrong with thhat statement...
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20:29
<ccat>
vagrantc_: because a Modern normal install has a gui, thus implying that lstp spports that gui
20:29
-- supports
20:32
vagrantc_: -- thus, whatever that gui can show, (unlike the old text display), like video, graphics, etc
20:38
<vagrantc_>
i don't see how that contradicts that
20:39
it actually does that, though there are some limitations of physics and code.
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20:40
<vagrantc_>
some things it doesn't do well, just like any other computer
20:41
if you want to help improve the documentation, please start proposing some actual fixes
20:42
<ccat>
vagrantc_: sorry, can't really help improve what i don't really yet understand :(
20:42* vagrantc_ finds the best way to understand is to start trying it
20:45
<ccat>
vagrantc_: that would require first getting the server and client pc's that it is proposed to be used with in... order to max the server and min the client specs :)
20:46
<vagrantc_>
setting up a virtual machine and a virtual client to test it out and get familiar with how it works should be accessible
20:47
you can also probably grab any old computer and set them up to see how they work
20:47
or an old laptop ... whatever you have on hand
20:48
<ccat>
vagrantc_: current pc's are pre... millennial
20:49
<vagrantc_>
might work for a proof of concept
20:51
it obviously won't give you useful data about useability of newer stuff, but it might give you an idea of the bare-minimal specs
20:53
the absolute minimal specs for a proof of concept client are probably between 128MB-256MB of ram, depending on what OS you use. Ubuntu has higher minimum requirements than Debian, for example.
20:56
<ccat>
vagrantc_: well so far it seems the heart of ltsp is just to do the remote bootup -- and then it's up to the client which terminal to use, though one is included in the ltsp package
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<vagrantc_>
well, the default setup connects to the server using LDM, which connects via ssh with X11 forwarding
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<vagrantc_>
there is also a frequently used mode to disable ssh for all but authentication purposes ...
20:59
LDM_DIRECTX
21:00
well, i guess the homedir stuff is still over sshfs by default as well
21:00
biig loss of security, but big performance gain
21:02
<ccat>
vagrantc_: do you even need ssh on a wired home network?
21:03
<vagrantc_>
depends on your priorities
21:04* vagrantc_ proposes secure defaults and lets people shoot themselves in the foot if they want to
21:05
<ccat>
vagrantc_: it can't really be physically tapped, and if someone *did* have the equipment to remote-sense somehow, would mere ssh even help?
21:06
<vagrantc_>
a home network isolated with no connections to the internet?
21:12
<ccat>
vagrantc_: no, still one pc with inet conn
21:13
vagrantc_: -- but even that one could just run ltsp
21:13
<vagrantc_>
sounds like you have plenty of attack vectors... *anyways* :P
21:14
<ccat>
vagrantc_: how so?
21:15
<vagrantc_>
i err on the side of security, but i'm not really wanted to get into a long debate about it
21:15
i'd rather keep working on ltsp
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<ccat>
vagrantc_: no, no don't want to debate, just learn, especially what You (very experienced) are thinking of (IF?) related to MY queries, that I (very new) am overlooking
21:19
<vagrantc_>
connecting any two networks will invariably involve some level of insecurity
21:19
web browsers also routinely run remote untrusted code, for example
21:19
that's the short of it
21:21
i do not believe in "trsutworthy" networks.
21:22
<ccat>
vagrantc_: y, agreed, that is why looking for ideally a sort of KVM setup
21:24
--- remote kvm that is
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<alkisg-android>
vagrantc yup i am done pushing stuff feel free to tag
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<vagrantc_>
alkisg-android: ok
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<ccat>
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vagrantc_: ok then, thanks for all the info! Don't forget to update the wiki at least A LITTLE, to reduce future confusion -- and -- so project gets more notice, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software
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<vagrantc_>
i don't edit the wiki at all
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ccat: ltsp is not appropriate for that page
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ccat: that's a list of some of the protocols ltsp can use
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some of which it does
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i guess i did edit the wiki once or twice
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<ccat>
vagrantc_: then what is LDM? -- (can't find a doc yet)
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<vagrantc_>
ccat: it's the LTSP Display Manager
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ccat: the default login manager for LTSP
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we're working on getting rid of it entirely
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but for the forseeable future, it's what we're stuck with
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<ccat>
vagrantc_: so it can only generate a login screen?
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<vagrantc_>
i don't know what you mean by generate...
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it handles the whole login process
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when you boot a default ltsp setup, a it's what takes your username/password and logs into the server and starts a session, at the most basic level
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<ccat>
vagrantc_: oh sorry, "LDM itself can connect over RDP" made it sound like a basic terminal
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-- basic gui-terminal
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<vagrantc_>
ccat: LDM has plugins as to which protocols it uses
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ccat: default is ssh with X forwarding, but it also has an RDP plugin
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<ccat>
vagrantc_: ok --- Why isn't freenx (which seems to do the same forwarding) necessarily useful on a local network?