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Channel log from 2 December 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<BGomes>
cyberorg: god nigth
01:40
<cyberorg>
'night BGomes
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<MasterOne>
and good morning from Austria :)
01:40
<cyberorg>
:)
01:41
<BGomes>
MasterOne: here is 3:36 am
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<BGomes>
I am goin sleep now!
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<jgbillings>
hmm now I'm getting the No IP address message that underdog5004 was getting earlier
03:48
if only i had a cable tester
03:51
dOH! * Starting DHCP server dhcpd3 [fail]
03:59
wonder if i'm on the right track here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/+bug/94804
04:10
this is in syslog, don't think that bug has anything to do with it: No subnet declaration for (my eth1 card)
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<ogra>
jgbillings, just make sure to have a proper static interface defined for the rage you defined in the config
04:34
(and no, the errormessage you get already tells you whats wrong)
04:34
(the bug is not related)
04:34
*range :)
04:44
<jgbillings>
had to comment out something in the init script?
04:44
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283874
04:44
seems like it was looking at a diffrent dhcpd.conf
04:48
connected to the ltsp server, and almost booted pretty good, but not there yet
04:53
getting some garbled "failed to initialize daemon" "E: main.c: Module" ... well come back to this tomorrow
05:54
<ogra>
your client has no sound HW or alsa didnt initialize it properly
05:55
you need to edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf indeed :) DONT set anything in /etc/defaults/dhcp3-server
05:56
<johnny>
so.. autologin might be fixed , but i don't know how to apply it
05:59
<ogra>
francis has a package in the ppa i think, just install it
05:59
the patch is way to big to make it into gutsy
05:59
<johnny>
i don't know how :)
05:59
i can't find his launchpaid id
05:59
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/~francis-giraldeau/+archive
06:00
<johnny>
it's not the same as what his bugs are fileld under
06:00
oh.. it's not at ppa.launchpad
06:00
which is what i tried
06:00
<ogra>
not anymore, that was only used during deveolpment of ppa's ... they are an official LP feature now
06:01
<johnny>
hmm..so i see various packages
06:01
<ogra>
you want ldm
06:01
for i386
06:02
<johnny>
but ldm wasn't a seperate package previously ?
06:02
so i install that in the chroot ?
06:02
<ogra>
it always was
06:02
it was no separate source
06:02
<johnny>
maybe i'm not awake enough to be here :)
06:02
so why all the other package updates?
06:02
<ogra>
but ldm always had its own binary package
06:03
because the surce wasnt split in gutsy
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so you need to upload the whole of ltsp to build ldm
06:03
now ldm has its own source package so you only have to rebuild that separately
06:05
its easier for security updates etc
06:09
<johnny>
so.. that src thing says hardy
06:09
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/francis-giraldeau/ubuntu hardy main
06:09
<ogra>
just grab the package
06:09
<johnny>
and just dpkg ?
06:09
<ogra>
yep
06:10
else you update all of ltsp
06:10
<johnny>
i'm still getting up to speed with certain apt intricacies
06:10
some of the servers i maintain are debian, but all i've had to do is use apt-file and the normal apt-get update and upgrade
06:11
now ubuntu goes and makes it more complicated, on top of the extra apt suite commands i've used lately :)
06:13* johnny tries to figure out how to see what packages are installed
06:13
<ogra>
where does ubuntu make it complicated ?
06:13
you can still use apt-file and the normal apt-get update and upgrade for normal system maintanance
06:14
<johnny>
nah.. it's not ubuntu really, just the sutff i'm trying to do with ubuntu since using it
06:14
i was just jokin around
06:14
<ogra>
for dist upgrades we do something different
06:14
simply because apt doesnt offer all the functionallity we need there
06:15
but in normal operations it works as any debian :)
06:15
<johnny>
how can i see which packages are installed?
06:15
<ogra>
dpkg -l
06:15
<johnny>
oh.. it's not in an apt command
06:15
i was readin help text for those
06:16
<ogra>
or better: dpkg -l|grep "^ii"
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<johnny>
hmm
06:20
ldm: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.3) but 1.18.2-0ubuntu1 is installed
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<ogra>
oh
06:22
so he messed up the deps
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<johnny>
should i just force it?
06:22
<ogra>
mail him
06:23
no, apt-get -f install
06:23
that should revert the changes
06:23
<johnny>
that wants to remove ldm, ltsp-client, ltspfs
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<ogra>
ouch
06:24
well, he compiled it against debian pacage instead of ubutu packages it seems (teh version number is a debian one)
06:24
get the old ldm out of the archive and dpkg -i it
06:25
<johnny>
uhm? which archive?
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<ogra>
archive.ubuntu.com :)
06:26
<johnny>
from here ? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ldm/
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<ogra>
yep
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<johnny>
those are pre
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<ogra>
no
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pre is hardy
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you dont want these
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http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/ltsp/#
06:28
rather get them there
06:28
:)
06:28
(as said before the source was only split in gutsy ... a.u.c sorts by source packages)
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<johnny>
aha..
06:29
ok, fixed
06:29
<ogra>
err s/gutsy/hardy
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<johnny>
now if only i could build the package
06:30
<ogra>
apt-get build-dep ltsp
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then get the source package and use debbuild
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or dpkg-buildpackage
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or pbuilder
06:31* ogra just implemented one click package installation for the image :)))
06:31
<ogra>
ltsp-gtk-shell becomes a cool littel app :)
06:32
<johnny>
hmm.. this is where the amd64 vs i386 comes into play
06:32
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client --chroot development
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;)
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ltsp-build-client --chroot development --arch i386 arather :)
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*rather
06:33
that creates /opt/ltsp/development ... a chroot to play with ;)
06:34
in i386 architectur
06:34
e
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(you could as well just use debootstrap though)
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<johnny>
wasn't there a wiki page on this?
06:45
i can't remember where it was
06:47
you said "then get the source package and use debbuild" that's sorta greek to me :)
06:47
i'm used to gentoo where you're always working with the src
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so there's not build-dep stuff going on
06:47
you'r always doing that :)
06:50
moquist, did you ever work out the xterminator problems with MasterOne or were they unfounded?
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<johnny>
ogra, i have all the packages now
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<ogra>
apt-get source ltsp
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patch it ....
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cd <sourcedir>
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dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b
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that will build a binary
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<johnny>
uggh
07:54
i built the binary, but still getting that error
07:54
the debian version mismatch
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<johnny>
ok.. brb
07:58
going to the store
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<johnny_>
now i'm where my thin clients are
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<cliebow>
slow and not much memory??
08:26
<johnny_>
lol
08:26
good one
08:26
<cliebow>
8~)
08:28
at 57 it is where i am...8~)
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<johnny_>
hmm.. now what..
08:36
the launchpad entry is still wrong here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ltsp-localapps
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<johnny_>
uggh.. what am i doing wrong :(
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<johnny_>
i built it, but i'm still getting the version errors
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<johnny_>
hmm, i installed packaging docs, but i can't seem to find them in the help system
10:16
uggh silly me
10:16
that's an odd problem
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<ogra>
johnny, hmm, right, it used to register in teh help viewer, seems thats not teh case anymore, use "firefox file:///usr/share/packaging-guide/html/C/index.html"
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<johnny_>
ok, i thought i was just dumb :)
10:32
does anybody else find it humourous that the help file has a help option? :)
10:32
err help app (yelp)
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<johnny_>
hmm, packaging files is pretty involved
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<johnny_>
reading that document didnt' make it any easier to build a package
11:49
i got farther with the five steps ogra posted earlier
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<Drakeweb>
cliebow_: I updated the ltsp wiki as you requested, at least with the esesix client
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<cliebow_>
cool! it is a great resource for us all...8~)
12:50
neowarre? perhaps i should find a few??
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<vagrantc>
what is this spam from ian davidson all about?
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<moquist>
johnny: didn't work them out; MasterOne is right. xterminator-0.2 doesn't work, period.
13:43
johnny: it works OK in testing on the command line, but not during login. Not sure why, yet.
13:44
johnny: people should just use xterminator-0.1-4 for now.
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<johnny>
what was the difference?
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<Drakeweb>
cliebow_: where are you located? if you're in the UK, I can recommend a cheap source of neoware clients
14:20
<cliebow_>
no in Maine usa
14:20* vagrantc chuckles
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<johnny>
moquist, what was the difference between 0.1-4 vs 0.2 ?
14:21
<cliebow_>
vagrantc:why chucklest thou??
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<vagrantc>
well, Drakeweb has been working on getting those neoware clients working for quite some time, and now has a cheap source of them? :)
14:23
<cliebow_>
i see..
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i tohught you were disparagingcheapo clients like i have..i would have been miffed..
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<vagrantc>
no, no. i mostly use old refurbished computers for thin clients ... i wouldn't disparage much of anything
14:28
<Drakeweb>
Well, I say "cheap". You you guys they're probably a month's pay each, at least at the current rate of exchange!
14:29
<vagrantc>
heh
14:30
free, then? :)
14:30
<cliebow_>
we lost like a million in State funding this year..
14:33
<Drakeweb>
here's a quicky for those of you not taxing the techie side of your brain at the moment ...
14:33
does anyone know why, when logging on to my thin client, the desktop wallpaper doesn't appear?
14:34
the background remains black
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it re-appears after a few actions, and usually an error about nautilus ...
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it's got me beat, but then again, so have most things LTSP ...
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<stgraber>
Drakeweb: it has to be related to nautilus as it's this one which draws the background
15:01
Drakeweb: maybe a remaining lock of a previous instance of nautilus (or one still running when you open the session)
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<Drakeweb>
stgraber: thanks for the info. what is nautilus? could it be caused by powering off my thin client without logging off and then powering up and logging back in?
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<stgraber>
probably, nautilus is the file manager and icon/background software for gnome
15:18
<Drakeweb>
what can i do to fix this problem?
15:18
it doesn't seem to happen on the server desktop, only the thin client desktops
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<moquist>
johnny: a nice reimplementation that apparently has a bug.
15:43
<johnny>
no added features?
15:44
<moquist>
johnny: nope, removed feature. :)
15:44
johnny: 0.1-4 had a feature to wait 30 seconds after logout and clear out all remaining processes owned by $USER, but this feature had a serious bug that occasionally killed all the sessions on a server at once. !!!!!!!
15:45
<johnny>
well that could cause a problem..ast he server is used as a desktop
15:45
<moquist>
the 0.1-4 code really wasn't polished or ready for release, but I packaged it and put it in my PPA so others could try it out.
15:45
<johnny>
including our point of sale software
15:45
<moquist>
I commented out the buggy feature, but the code was really quite messy.
15:45
<johnny>
aha..
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<moquist>
so sbalneav did a nice job of reimplementing it (minus my commented-out and questionable feature)
15:45
it tests fine on the command line, but apparently not for login.
15:46
I've verified that it's broken, but not figured out (yet) why.
15:46
<johnny>
maybe you put it in the wrong place? :)
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<jammcq>
damned power failures :(
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<daya>
can I use boot splasy in ltsp 5 in etch
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