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Channel log from 6 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<johnny>
uggh
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<MM2>
Hmmm... client hangs up during boot, there was this option nosplash... where I can found documentation about it?
01:12
<alkisg>
MM2, delete quiet splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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(PXE or gPXE, I suppose, this doesn't work on Etherboot)
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<MM2>
alkisg: ty
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<MM2>
Hmm... and other thing, users uses same account to log in, ie. there can be like 5 users with same account using LTSP
01:39
this causes some problems with some programs, like Firefox
01:39
which says that you already have firefox running
01:39
How to solve that?
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<alkisg>
MM2, use different users. LDM_USERNAME, LDM_PASSWORD and LDM_GUESTLOGIN may make it easier if it's about young students
01:42* MM2 sighs...
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<Ryan52>
alkisg: it will default LDM_USERNAME to the hostname of the client
01:42
alkisg: firefox can only be open once per user
01:42
<alkisg>
Rayn52, right...
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<johnny>
MM2, that problem is not solvable, you must use different users
01:43
<alkisg>
Ryan52, firefox can be opened again with a commandline switch, but it won't be the only problem..
01:44
<MM2>
is that autologin feature in 7.10-version?
01:45
no... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutoLoginFeatures
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<johnny>
hello :)
01:50
finally got you in here
01:50
vagrantc is often here
01:50
as well
01:50
<kc8pxy>
johnny: been hiding out here for a bit, then my inet went wonky :)
01:50
<johnny>
you are wonky
01:50
:)
01:51
MM2, there was a patch for autologin with that version iirc
01:51
it was python based, so you didn't have to recompile anything
01:53
<kc8pxy>
cya guys in the morning.
01:58* Ryan52 thinks kc8pxy needs to learn how to make his irc client automatically join channels
02:01
<alkisg>
MM2, I think LDM_GUESTLOGIN was called LDM_ALLOW_GUESTS at that version.
02:02
<johnny>
can somebody send me their meta release file for ubuntu?
02:02
pastebin
02:02
<alkisg>
johnny, what's that?
02:03
<johnny>
/var/lib/update-manager/meta-release
02:03
<alkisg>
I got no such thing in intrepid
02:04
<johnny>
what do you have in /var/lib/update-manager
02:04
<alkisg>
Nothing. I'll send you from hardy
02:04
!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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<alkisg>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
02:05
<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "meta-release from Hardy" (78 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/92
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<johnny>
do you have a meta-release-lts ?
02:10
in that same directory?
02:10
<alkisg>
No, just a meta-release-development
02:12
<johnny>
yeah.. i'm in a bad way right now
02:12
the upgrade totally failed
02:12
in the middle
02:12
i don't know how to recover
02:13
<alkisg>
johnny: ouch! That happened to me while in beta, I had to reinstall from scratch
02:13
Gotta go, good luck
02:13
<johnny>
i can't do that.. this computer is relied upon..
02:13
i didn't even do the first install.. i don't think i could even recreate the setup of the custom stuff
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<johnny>
ok.. any intrepid users about?
02:36
i screwed up something again.. after a terminal crash
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<johnny_>
do any of you folks have this file?
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libapt-pkg-libc6.8-6.so.4.6
02:44
i really really need it..
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<johnny_>
alkisg,
02:50
please.. can you send me a file?
02:51
<alkisg>
hey johnny_, done anything?
02:51
sure
02:51
<johnny_>
libapt-pkg-libc6.8-6.so.4.6
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<alkisg>
I'm at school now, intrepid & hardy
02:51
<johnny_>
intrepid
02:51
my terminal crashed..
02:51
just after getting things moving again
02:51
turns out there was a capitalization of hardy that was causing it not to find the distro to upgrade from..
02:51
<alkisg>
any standard way to send this?
02:51
<johnny_>
web space?
02:51
<alkisg>
yep
02:52
<johnny_>
that works for me
02:52
or email..
02:52
or dcc
02:52
<alkisg>
well, I was asking, not proposing... :)
02:52
OK, I'll find something
02:52
(I'm at school, so not organized here!)
02:52
<johnny_>
i thought schools were supposed to be organized :)
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<alkisg>
I mean I don't have my passwords, software and stuff
02:53
It should be there: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/temp/usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.8-6.so.4.6
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not usr/lib
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http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/temp/libapt-pkg-libc6.8-6.so.4.6
02:54
...and in Greece, schools are *not* organized! :
02:54
:)
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<johnny_>
oops
02:56
yours is 32bit
02:56
:(
02:57
<alkisg>
Sorry, no 64bit
02:57
<johnny_>
now i need to try to remember how to find which package it is supposed to come fro
02:57
<alkisg>
I always forget that
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apt-cache search?
02:59
<johnny_>
trying to figure out which package it comes from :)
02:59
<alkisg>
ogra posted it 4-5 days ago, but I don't remember
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<alkisg>
johnny_, it could be apt-file search, but I'm updating now and can't download it to test...
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<johnny_>
yeah.. i'm finding apyeah.. i'm trying to find how to use apt-file ..
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<johnny_>
it doesn't seem to do anything :(
03:03
<alkisg>
johnny_, this one: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/apt-get-intro/info.html.en
03:03
paragraph 3.6
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dpkg -S
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alkisg@server:~$ dpkg -S libapt-pkg-libc6.8-6.so.4.6
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apt: /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.8-6.so.4.6.0
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apt: /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.8-6.so.4.6
03:05
johnny_, ^^^^
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<johnny_>
yeah.. i found it now
03:06
but now it's worse
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<alkisg>
How can you apt-get apt? :
03:06
Maybe I can get it for you if you find out how I can download a 64bit package without installing it
03:08
<johnny_>
yeah.. i found it now
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<alkisg>
Yey! At last full screen video for all clients with a 100mbps switch! Trunking rocks!
03:52
Duh... and pulseaudio is eating all the client CPU... more than xorg... I'll have to disable it for real tests
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<alkisg>
OK, running netperf on the TC consoles shows a total of 377 Mbps (7 clients, 4 NIC server, 100Mbps switch). Trunking is perfect! I guess on a gigabit network I'd have similar results, multiplied by 10... Going to write a how-to. :)
05:04
<johnny>
so... i got the upgrade
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and now.. it takes FOREVER to boot up
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something is going funky.. but i don't know what..
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<johnny>
ps ax
05:30
uggh
05:30
cry..
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05:44* cyberorg consoles johnny
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<alkisg>
Nubae, hi, first draft: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking
05:46
<nubae>
hi alkisg
05:46
cool, I'll take a look
05:46
<alkisg>
johnny, is there a specific point where the delay is, or it's the overall boot process?
05:48
<cyberorg>
nubae, hi, finally got ldm working, tried snapshot from yesterday :)
05:48
<nubae>
looks like it would be interesting to test on a gigabit network
05:49
cyberorg: nice... back in the game then ;-)
05:49
any idea what it was?
05:49
<cyberorg>
yeah, will have to do round of updates with images based on opensuse 11.1
05:49
<alkisg>
Nubae, I wish I had one with the appropriate clients... I got a lab with gigabit network and Celerons @450Mhz, and their CPU gets MAXed-out with 300Mbps, so I can't test
05:50
<cyberorg>
no idea, it fixed itself
05:50
or one of the devs here fixed it ;)
05:51
<nubae>
alkisg: yeah gigabit switches are getting cheap... I bought an 8 port for under 100€
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<alkisg>
nubae, the client CPUs is my bottleneck... In all the labs we use 10-year-old celerons
05:55
<johnny>
hi..
05:56
<alkisg>
hey johnny... where's the delay happening?
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<johnny>
it might be this..
05:57
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/262845
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<alkisg>
johnny, "time cp somebigfile /dev/null" gave me 45 mbps on my sata disk... How much do you get?
06:01
<johnny>
i don't know if i have a very big file..
06:02
<alkisg>
ok, try hdparm
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<johnny>
i just typed apt-get update..
06:02
hmm.. it went a lil quicker
06:03
what do you get with -tT ?
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<alkisg>
johnny, full command line??
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<johnny>
you suggested hdparm :)
06:04
hdparm -tT <disk dev>
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<alkisg>
yeah, but you're the experienced one! :
06:04
:)
06:04
Timing cached reads: 1920 MB in 2.00 seconds = 959.61 MB/sec
06:04
Timing buffered disk reads: 178 MB in 3.02 seconds = 58.87 MB/sec
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<johnny>
yep...
06:05
Timing cached reads: 594 MB in 2.00 seconds = 296.91 MB/sec
06:05
Timing buffered disk reads: 10 MB in 3.03 seconds = 3.30 MB/sec
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<alkisg>
yeap, that's the problem
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<johnny>
i need to find the older 2.6.26 kernel..
06:06
<alkisg>
ok, gotta go, good luck
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<Blinny>
Good morning
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<petre>
morning all
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<zamba>
how do i define the timeout for the screen blanking of my kiosk clients?
07:09
i'm using the kiosk mode
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<johnny>
where's ogra when i need him..
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<johnny>
uggh.. now where did that 2.4.26 kernel go..
08:23
err 2.6.26 kernel
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<johnny>
uggh
08:24* johnny cries
08:25
<petre>
stgraber, see you in about six hours
08:25
<johnny>
this upgrade nightmare is ongoing for 10 hours
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<johnny>
stgraber, do you know where the 2.6.26 kernel that shipped with earlier intrepid builds went?
08:26
2.6.27 is a total flop, sata read times at 3mb/s
08:26
i tried 2.6.25, but it doesn't even work with my sata controller..
08:26
i guess i could try to go back to 2.6.22...
08:26
that's the last good working one i had..
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<Blinny>
Yikes
08:29
<johnny>
i would prefer not to be responsible for my store losing money today. :(
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<johnny>
and of course.. as always #ubuntu is fail
08:31
sometimes i wonder why i bother with ubuntu.. it's impossible to find good help.. too much chaff in the way
08:31
<Blinny>
To much crap about X (ati & nvidia) video drivers and compiz.
08:32
johnny: Did aptitude conveniently remove the earlier versions for you or can you just re-link files in /boot ?
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<johnny>
i have never used aptitude
08:33
<Blinny>
Ok then.. apt-get
08:33
<johnny>
actually i think i removed them, since the 2.6.26 version i had on hardy had a serious bug for my network driver where all the ltsp clients would freeze up
08:34
<Blinny>
Ok so this is inside the chroot?
08:34
<johnny>
no
08:34
on the server
08:34
<Blinny>
Wow
08:34
So they're gone from /boot
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<johnny>
it would freeze up the entire network for the server too
08:34
i shouldn't have deleted 2.6.22
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<Blinny>
Fun.
08:34
<johnny>
i just figured everything would be OK
08:35
here's the bug i'm hitting with sata i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/262845
08:35
lame huh..
08:35
<Blinny>
You can't get them from http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/base/ ?
08:36
Or pull a hardy kernel from /hardy ?
08:36
<johnny>
i'm about to
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<Blinny>
Cool.
08:37
<johnny>
what the hell is a normal user supposed to type at "give root password for maintenance"
08:38
i don't quite get how ubuntu should ever ask you that on -desktop
08:38
i guess this is why i tend to stick to gentoo.. i know where the knowledgeable people hang out
08:39
i prolly wouldn't be so upset if i knew where the ubuntu smarypants hang out
08:39
both #ubuntu and #gentoo suck
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<johnny>
if it weren't for some general ubuntu smarties in #ltsp.. i would probably not even be using ltsp right now
08:41
<nubae>
heh, yeah
08:41
this does seem to be the channel with the smartest devs
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<johnny>
UGGH
08:44
i still haven't been able to login to my box
08:44
it takes 5 minutes to start up
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and when logging in.. i have to di it multiple times before it lets me.. otherwise i hit the 60 second timeout
08:45
ok.. so my last good kernel is from gutsy
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<nubae>
cant u just build one from vanilla sources?
08:48
<johnny>
build one?
08:48
i don't have time to build one
08:48
it would take multiple hours
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<nubae>
its what ud do with gentoo :p
08:48
<johnny>
at 3 m/s
08:48
my sata controller is at 3 m/s with my only bootable kernel
08:48
so.. no
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<warren>
3 meters per second?
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<johnny>
shut up warrent
08:49
i don't need that right now
08:49
<warren>
sorry, only joking
08:49
<johnny>
aha.. finally got it
08:49
err
08:49
got in
08:50
now i can try to install 2.6.22
08:50
i'll try vanilla sources when i have something working again
09:16
<alkisg>
johnny, don't you still have the hardy cd/dvd from which you installed the server? You could find a kernel there, or use it as a live CD... it'll boot faster! :)
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<johnny>
hard kernels don't work
09:18
they contain a bug that breaks my network card
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or.. they contain a bug that breaks my sata controller
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<alkisg>
hm... you're doomed
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<johnny>
nah.. i went back to the gutsy kernel alkisg
09:23
that one works fine :)
09:24
<alkisg>
Wow... back in time...
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<johnny>
ok..
09:55
turns out there's one later 2.6.24 release that seems to be working
09:55
in hardy
09:56
ok.. missing sound modules!
09:56
where do the sound modules usually come from?
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<johnny>
what packages?
10:06
it's odd..
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<jc2it>
I want to modify my lts.conf to boot certain Thin clients to a Terminal login. I think I have to do this by MAC Address. Is this the best/only way?
10:28
<johnny>
mac or hostname or ip
10:28
<cliebow>
jc2it, what johnny says
10:28
<johnny>
hostname if you're using dns/dhcp
10:29
uggh.. ok.. where are the sound modules :( :( :(
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<jc2it>
So on my Thin Clients the hostname is configurable in the BIOS, so I can see where this might make things easier to maintain later.
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<johnny>
jc2it, i disagree :)
10:30
i think in the dns server is best
10:30
centralized
10:30
<jc2it>
Good. Why?
10:30
<johnny>
you can change names on the fly
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<jc2it>
But isn't the lts.conf static?
10:31
<johnny>
static?
10:31
it's centralized
10:31
one place to change everything
10:31
i don't have that many machines tho..
10:32
ls
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pwd
10:32
UGH
10:32
DIE DIE
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<johnny>
WHERE ARE THE SOUNDMODULES
10:32
<jc2it>
Ok, How does thin Client A know it is supposed to be a Terminal and Thin client B know it it to be the default GUI
10:32
<johnny>
:(
10:32
jc2it, hostname or mac or ip :)
10:33
<jc2it>
So in my config MAC would be the way to go
10:33
easier to config from one location
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<jc2it>
I could just use good comments in the lts.conf to specify where the thin client is geographically
10:34
<johnny>
if you want..
10:34
<homer01>
hi
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<jc2it>
Hello
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<homer01>
i've some problem with the screen resolution on my thin client
10:35
can someone help me please
10:36
<jc2it>
What is your thin client hardware?
10:36
video card?
10:36
<homer01>
an old compaq desktop
10:37
the video card in on the motherboard
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<jc2it>
what chipset?
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<homer01>
if i type lspci | VGA
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i get
10:37
vga compatible controller : intel corp. 82815 CGC
10:38
and when i'm connected
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i only get 480x600 and 800x600 resolutio,
10:38
resolution*
10:38
i can't get a 1024x768
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i've tried to modify the lts.conf
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with no success
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i've put X_SERVER_0= "1024x768"
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tried with XSERVER= vesa
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but nothing
10:41
<jc2it>
so your lts.conf is in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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<homer01>
yes
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<jc2it>
there is a sample in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts.conf have you looked at that
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<homer01>
not yet
10:44
I've already read this one and use it to create my lts.conf
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<alkisg>
homer01, it's X_MODE_0, not X_SERVER_0. Which distro/version?
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<homer01>
it's a wrong typing
10:46
i've put X_MODE_0
10:46
I'm using ubuntu hardy
10:46
8.04
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<alkisg>
Do you have a [default] stanza on top?
10:47
<jc2it>
sorry I meant /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts-parameters.txt but it does not have what you are looking for. alksig knows
10:47
<homer01>
yeap
10:47
<alkisg>
Is lts.conf transfered to the clients? You may login to a client with Ctrl+Alt+F1 and do a getltscfg X_MODE_0 to verify this.
10:48
<homer01>
can you explain a little bit more please....
10:48
<alkisg>
Sure. Sit on a client and press Ctrl+Alt+F1. You'll see the login prompt
10:49
Now, assuming you've set a root password, you'll be able to login with root / <the password you set for the ltsp chroot>
10:49
When you login, you run: getltscfg X_MODE_0
10:49
If you see 1024x768 as an answer, lts.conf is transfered *and* parsed OK.
10:49
If you don't see anything, there is the problem
10:50
<homer01>
ok
10:50
for the moment i can't connect to my thin client
10:50
<alkisg>
If you didn't set a root password for the chroot, you need to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and run passwd and passwd -u
10:50
<homer01>
i don't find the password
10:51
ok i'll try that
10:51
<alkisg>
homer01, and sudo ltsp-update-image afterwards
10:52
<homer01>
ok
10:53
and i need to reboot my thin client now?
10:54
<alkisg>
yeap
10:54
<johnny>
uggh..
10:55
<homer01>
ok so wait 5 minutes please
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11:05
<johnny>
where are my ubuntu expertz
11:05
<chrisinajar>
Time to leave for LTSP By The Sea!!
11:06
See you there, whoever is going! :)
11:06
<homer01>
alkisg you're always here?
11:06
<alkisg>
homer01, yes
11:07
<homer01>
argl the keyboard is in english!!!
11:07
how can i put it in french?
11:08
i've an azerty keyboard not a qwerty
11:08
<alkisg>
homer01, later, when you have lts.conf working correctly you'll set XKB_LAYOUT
11:09
<homer01>
my keyboard is ok when i'm connected on my thin client
11:09
but here for the prompt it's in english
11:10
<alkisg>
Oh, this is "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
11:10
But you should do this on the chroot later, to be permanent
11:11
<johnny>
where are my ubuntu devs???
11:11
<homer01>
i chroot then dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
11:11
and ltsp-update-image and reboot
11:11
<alkisg>
just do it on the client first, to see that it works
11:12
<homer01>
?
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<homer01>
how?
11:12
<alkisg>
If it works, then do it like you said, on the chroot
11:12
<homer01>
sorry i'm a newbie
11:12
<alkisg>
While sitting on the client console, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
11:12
<homer01>
how can i do for typing a # on a qwerty keyboard?
11:13
<alkisg>
Shift + 3?
11:14
<homer01>
doesn't work
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<alkisg>
Which one?
11:14
The # or the console-setup?
11:15
<homer01>
the #
11:15
<alkisg>
Anyway, where you able to login?
11:15
<homer01>
no i can't
11:15
in console mode i can't login
11:16
<alkisg>
Is # part of your password?
11:16
(or username?)
11:16
<homer01>
yes
11:16
<alkisg>
hm... let me see if there's an alt+something code for this
11:16
<homer01>
if i try to connect with a user
11:17
which works in the graphical interface
11:17
it didn't work in the console
11:19
<alkisg>
No, only the root is defined as a local user for the terminals
11:20
Maybe you changed languages on the console and that's why you can't write #? How do you change languages, with alt+shift? Press it again...
11:20
<jc2it>
I want to setup a specific lts.conf for a group of Thin Clients in my Plant. I only want to run wy60 in telnet mode to a default server. This is legacy I understand the security implications, and have mitigated against attack. would i use SCREEN_xx=telnet to switch to telnet? where do I change my telnet client from whatever default is to wy60?
11:21
<alkisg>
!lts.conf
11:21
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
11:21
<alkisg>
jc2it, ^^^^
11:21
TELNET_HOST
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<homer01>
i don't change languages
11:24
<alkisg>
homer01, well, if you try all keys while still on the username part, can't you see a #;
11:24
?
11:24
<homer01>
ok i'm connected
11:24
i've find my #
11:24
<alkisg>
OK, try "getltsconf X_MODE_0"
11:24
*getltscfg
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<homer01>
i get a syntax error line 19
11:26
<jc2it>
thanks alkisg that was the missing link... ;-)
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<alkisg>
homer01, you have the default lts.conf with nothing in it
11:27
homer01, try: cat /etc/lts.conf
11:27
<homer01>
it's the MAC ADRESS line
11:27
<alkisg>
you'll see all comments there...
11:28
homer01, don't look on the server, look at the client
11:28
cat /etc/lts.conf on the client
11:28
<cdshan>
Hi! I have a server running centos 5.1 and would like to install ltps on it. Which would be the best approach
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<homer01>
alkisg, i get the same file than the one on the server
11:30
<alkisg>
You do? then paste it on pastebot for us to see it
11:30
!pastebot
11:30
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
11:31
<cdshan>
I don't find a centos binary, should i go with the k-12 version of ltps or is there some other way?
11:31
<alkisg>
homer01, if you have any passwords there, remove them! :)
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<homer01>
so i go to http;//pastebot.ltsp.org and i paste my lts.conf?
11:32
<alkisg>
homer01, yeap
11:32
<ltsppbot>
"homer01" pasted "lts.conf" (41 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/93
11:33
<homer01>
here it is
11:33
<alkisg>
homer01, fr should be "fr",
11:34
LDM_DIRECTX should be LDM_DIRECTX=True,
11:34
<homer01>
what do you think of the space in line 20 and 23
11:35
<alkisg>
ok, that should do it I think
11:35
<homer01>
should i remove it
11:35
?
11:35
<johnny>
UGGH..
11:35
<alkisg>
comment XSERVER, I don't think you'll need it
11:36
homer01, you don't have to do "ltsp-update-image", just save lts.conf and reboot the client
11:36
<homer01>
ok and for the space in the X_MODE_0 line?
11:36
<alkisg>
No problem there (I think)
11:36* alkisg pats johnny in the back... :(
11:37
<johnny>
it's like that 2.6.24 kernel package has no sound drivers
11:37
i am very confused
11:37
the virtual package does, but the virtual package doesn't exist for hardy
11:37
the generic has almost no sound modules
11:38
<alkisg>
johnny, I saw some restricted_modules package, you think maybe some sound drivers are there?
11:38
<johnny>
that would be silly
11:38
restricted modules is for nvidia + ati and whatnot
11:38
<alkisg>
I guess...
11:38
<johnny>
the intel ones are definitely free
11:38
only stuff that isn't in mainly kernel can go inrestricted
11:38
err mainline*
11:38
<alkisg>
2.6.24 is from gutsy?
11:39
So if I boot with a live gutsy CD, I'll be able to help you somehow?
11:39
<johnny>
no.. hardy.. i found a random version that doesn't lock up my sata
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<johnny>
i was getting ORDY with every version i've tried before
11:39
this is what i need..
11:39
.6.24-16.30_amd64
11:40
err
11:40
2.6.24-16.30_amd64
11:40
i need the sound for that :)
11:40
<alkisg>
duh... no 64bit cd at home! :(
11:45
johnny, something like that? /lib/modules/2.6.27-7-server/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0m.ko
11:45
(with your kernel version, of course)
11:45
<johnny>
yes
11:45
that's what should be there
11:45
sound has no sub directories, and only 2 files
11:45
<alkisg>
and you're missing the intel modules?
11:45
hm...
11:45
<johnny>
i'm missing all the modules except ac97_bus and soundcore
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<homer01>
alkisg, with getltscfg X_MODE_0, I get 1024x768
11:46
but when i connect in the GUI, i've only the choice of 800x600 and 600x480
11:46
<alkisg>
homer01, ok, does this work? you got 1024x768 resolution?
11:47
<homer01>
and i'm always in 800x600
11:49
<alkisg>
homer01, how much videoram does your thin client have?
11:50
<homer01>
how can i now?
11:50
<alkisg>
...it should write it at boot, before bios starts
11:50
I don't know how you can see it from linux
11:50
How old is it?
11:51
You may also "cat /var/log/Xorg.something.log" to see the X logs,
11:52
and "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf" to see the configuration file that was produced
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<homer01>
it's a Pentium III 850MHz
11:52
with 128Mo of RAM
11:52
the video card is on the motherboard
11:53
that's all I can say
11:53
it's a f*****g COMPAQ
11:53
with a COMPAQ bios
11:54
i'll boot again and i'll try to see waht's in the xorg.conf and log files...
11:54
<alkisg>
homer01, videoram is probably shared, if you press "del" or "F2" or something when it boots to get to the BIOS, you should be able to change the videoram size
11:55
<homer01>
it's a compaq bios with limited option
11:55
<alkisg>
It may also be that your monitor is not detected correctly, and so xorg doesn't use 1024x768
11:56
If you *know* it supports its and force horizontal and vertical frequencies in lts.conf, it may help
11:56
<homer01>
it's an old monitor too....
11:57
in the bios i've an AGP Aperture size parameter which is set to 64MB....
11:58
<alkisg>
aperture <> videoram. Isn't there a videoram option? Does it report how much videoram it has while booting?
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<alkisg>
Does anyone know which pulseaudio resampling method is faster? http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/Daemon
12:00
<devilbues>
hi can anybody help me with touchscreen stuff, I can't calibrate the screen, I'm using evtouch driver
12:01
<alkisg>
I've had 63% *pulseaudio* CPU usage while playing a video on an old client...
12:02
<kc8pxy>
heya guys.
12:06
<homer01>
alkisg, if i do a cat /var/log/Xorg.1.log the display is too long
12:06
how can i see all the file
12:07
<alkisg>
homer01, you may press shift+page up, or do "less /var/log/Xorg.1.log"
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<homer01>
ok and what should i look for?
12:11
<alkisg>
error messages, like "not using mode 1024x768 because..."
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<alkisg>
and it may also report the available videoram somewhere
12:16
Lns, hi, another day, another try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking
12:17
<homer01>
?
12:18
<johnny>
LAME
12:18
UGGH
12:18
ok.. i'm just gonna go home
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<homer01>
Lns??
12:19
first time on irc
12:19
..
12:19
<alkisg>
homer01, I was talking to someone named Lns... :)
12:19
<lucascoala>
wow
12:20
<homer01>
oooops...
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<homer01>
;)
12:20
<Lns>
alkisg: wow, what a writeup
12:20
<alkisg>
Lns, it's more of a case study, to show that's it's doable and useful,
12:21
but I'm sure there are better ways to do it (which I don't yet know of)
12:21
<Lns>
alkisg: so the clients are statically assigned to a certain NIC on the server?
12:21
<alkisg>
Lns, yes, but I think it doesn't matter at all
12:21
<Lns>
what do you mean it doesn't matter?
12:21
<alkisg>
Lns, because it's the server that send the bulk of the data, not the clients
12:21
Lns, so a simple routing on the server would be enough
12:22
Lns, so all clients may talk to the server from eth0 (bandwidth < 1 Mbit total) and the server answers in a round-robin fashion
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<Lns>
alkisg: hmm. Well one thing I was going to be testing with some of my clients was ethernet bonding, which pretty much does what your trunking doc does, but simply uses the bandwidth from X number of NICs together..no static client assignments or anything
12:23
<alkisg>
Lns, yes, I was going to try that next, but I don't know if my switch supports it
12:23
<Lns>
alkisg: http://www.howtoforge.com/network_bonding_ubuntu_6.10
12:23
There are methods that don't require special switch config
12:24
<alkisg>
Lns, ifenslave does require a special switch
12:24
because all interfaces appear to have the same mac address
12:24
so usual switches get mixed up
12:26
<Lns>
alkisg: are you sure? The doc doesn't say anything about switch config.. i can understand them getting confused but i'd think part of the 802.3 standard (or a different one?) would make cases for those scenarios
12:26
<alkisg>
Lns, I think I read it here: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Net:Bonding
12:26
Lns, not all switches support 802.3ad
12:27
E.g. my 130€ switch doesn't (or at least it doesn't claim to)
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<Lns>
alkisg: hmm, from the article: The active-backup, balance-tlb and balance-alb modes do not require any specific configuration of the switch.
12:28
<alkisg>
Lns, active-backup is not trunking
12:28
It doesn't give more bandwidth
12:28
<Lns>
alkisg: so what about the other two
12:28
<alkisg>
I don't know about the others, I'm just reading the stuff. :)
12:28
<Lns>
;)
12:29
<alkisg>
This one too: http://www.linuxhorizon.ro/bonding.html
12:29
<Lns>
mode=2 - Transmit based on [(source MAC address XOR'd with destination MAC address) modulo slave count]. This selects the same slave for each destination MAC address. This mode provides load balancing and fault tolerance.
12:30
alkisg: so that sounds like it obfuscates the mac depending on the client
12:31
<alkisg>
Lns, I read that this morning, and I'm hoping that this mode *doesn't* change the MAC
12:31
That it's just a "select an interface to send from" mode
12:32
<Lns>
hmm
12:32
<devilbues>
hi can anybody help me with touchscreen stuff, I can't calibrate the screen, I'm using evtouch driver...?
12:33
<Lns>
well i don't see anything wrong with your article, but it's a bit over my head the way you do it ;) I would think most people would want to go the "easy" way when doing this, which IMHO would be the standard way that doesn't involve LTSP specific hacking
12:33
(eg bonding)
12:33
<alkisg>
Lns, I'm with you all the way
12:34
I hope my switch agrees with me... :)
12:34
<Lns>
;)
12:34
<alkisg>
Lns, I'll test again and remove all this static-ip stuff if it's not needed
12:34
<Lns>
Well thank you for the doc. Let's both try out our ways and see what pros/cons there are to each method
12:35
<alkisg>
Lns, yeap... What switches do you have? Expensive ones?
12:35
(i.e. programmable?)
12:36
<Lns>
depends on the site, for my LTSP clients it's mostly managed HP switches
12:36
<alkisg>
Lns, well, you got me outgunned
12:36
I'll try with my cheap switch, but I bet I won't be able to use bonding
12:36
Lns, ty
12:37
<Lns>
alkisg: i would think that the unmanaged switches would actually work better w/something like that, but that's just my theory ;)
12:37
I'm sure bonding takes the potential switch/MAC address confusion into consideration
12:37
because basically it's creating a new interface with its own MAC
12:38
<alkisg>
Lns, I'm sure that the switch should support 802.3ad in order for bonding to be used, and I'm almost certain that mine doesn't... :(
12:38
Lns, it changes the mac addresses from all NICs to the same one,
12:38
all IPs to the same one,
12:38
<Lns>
I'm sure 802.3ad is needed for *some* of the bonding modes, but i'm not convinced (yet) that all of them require it
12:39
<alkisg>
Lns, sure, but I don't think the other ones give better bandwidth on a local network
12:39
Well, too much talking, time to actually read the stuff!!! :)
12:39
<Lns>
;) seriously. let's stop theorizing and do some real work on it ;)
12:40* Lns is hoping bonding works well as most of his LTSP servers have dual gigabit NICs
12:40
<alkisg>
Lns, that's an easy one... 1 subnet and you're done
12:40
(1 *more* subnet)
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<homer01>
alkisg: i've 3 warnings in the Xorg.1.log : Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory)
12:42
module ABI major version(1) doesn't match the server's version(2)
12:42
and Failed to load module "psb" (module requirement mismatch,0)
12:43
<alkisg>
homer01, never mind these. Did you find out your videoram size?
12:43
<homer01>
nothing about the video memory size
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<alkisg>
Any message about the 1024x768 mode? Is this mode included in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
12:45
<homer01>
any message
12:45
and it's include in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:47
all the screen subsection "Display" have Modes "1024x768"
12:47
for each Depth
12:48
so maybe the monitor???
12:48
<alkisg>
homer01, did you try the horizontal / vertical frequencies?
12:48
yeap
12:48
in lts.conf
12:49
<homer01>
no i should find the frequencies for my monitor on the internet
12:49
and then put them in the lts.conf??
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<alkisg>
homer01, you may also try some big value for horizontal refreash and put vertical refresh = 60 Hz to be safer
12:51
X_HORZSYNC=30.0-70.0
12:51
X_VERTREFRESH=60.0
12:51
<homer01>
i've HOR : 30-75kHz and VER : 50-120kHz written at the back of the screen
12:51
<alkisg>
OK, but keep vertical at 60 for starters
12:54
<homer01>
ok i'm rebooting
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<alkisg>
Lns, yey!!! From my switch manual: Compliant with IEEE 802.3ad/u/x
13:00
<homer01>
alksig
13:00
it works
13:00
<alkisg>
Lns, next Thurdsay I'll have bonding!!!
13:00
<homer01>
thank you very very very much
13:01
<alkisg>
homer01, nice! Enjoy!
13:01
<homer01>
so great, i'm very happy
13:01
thank you a lot
13:01
now i'm must go to see my wife, she's a little bit nervous...
13:02
<alkisg>
homer01, change the vertical frequency to what your monitor says
13:02
<homer01>
too much time in front of this f****g machine
13:02
which one?
13:02
<alkisg>
50-120
13:04
<Lns>
alkisg: nice =)
13:05
<Blinny>
Lns: Did you sort out your nbd server problems?
13:08
<Lns>
Blinny: you know, I haven't heard anything from my techs (usually a good thing) after removing nbdswapd.conf (thus creating a default 32MB swapfile for each client). I was using the "recommended" 256mb swapfile before, which was hanging up the server upon mass creation of swapfiles when powering up all 35 clients at once
13:08
using 32MB swap sped up bootup significantly
13:08
<Blinny>
Really!
13:08
I'm at 128
13:08
<Lns>
but I'm not sure if they're experiencing crashes at all due to low memory
13:09
<Blinny>
My users experience a lot of hard-locks - no mouse movement, no keyboard response.. just doing normal browsing at google.
13:09
<Lns>
Blinny: what's your browser?
13:09
<Blinny>
Nothing in syslog. Sounds like a local X crash. I was trying to nail it down and found the nbd-timeout errors in the logs
13:09
Lns: FF3 - hardy heron
13:09
<Lns>
Blinny: ah. I'm surprised you can use FF3 at all in ltsp
13:09
<Blinny>
Was it you that recommended changing the keepalive parameters in sysctl.conf -- and disabling remote loggin?
13:10
I'm fortunate to have a balls server.
13:10
<Lns>
Blinny: no i don't think i recommended that
13:10
Blinny: do you have the keepalive line in hosts.allow for nbdswap?
13:11
<Blinny>
Yes of course
13:11
But periodically nbd-server will close connections on my clients - since changing the keepalive settings in sysctl.conf the problem has gone away
13:11
<Lns>
Blinny: if you're talking about keepalive parms for nbd, i wouldn't recommend using that at all
13:11
<Blinny>
Why not?
13:12
<Lns>
Because the files will potentially stay around for a very long time, causing your hard disks to fill up quickly
13:12
depending on the amount of time you specify
13:13
we might be talking about different keepalive though
13:13* homer01 good night
13:13
<Blinny>
The maximum will be 14 hours
13:13
<homer01>
quit
13:13
<Blinny>
(for my settings)
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<Lns>
Blinny: so your /tmp/tmp.* swapfiles hang around for 14 hours?
13:14
<Blinny>
the nbdserver will attempt to re-forge the connection for a maximum of 14 hours after fake-o losing the client
13:14
So, yes.
13:14
<Lns>
So if your client crashes, you reboot, a 2nd swapfile is created since the connection is new upon reboot
13:15
<nubae>
anyone installed OOo 3 ?
13:15
<Lns>
I had one school completely fill up their HDD in a matter of about an hour because of that
13:15
<Blinny>
Lns: Yes.
13:15
<Lns>
of course the root partition was fairly small, but it's a potential DOS
13:15
<Blinny>
Lns: I only have ~20 users per site
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<Lns>
Blinny: well that's probably not as much of an issue for you then
13:15
<Blinny>
and a 10G /tmp partition
13:16
<Lns>
I have ~200 users per site, ~35 thin clients
13:16
<Blinny>
nubae: Not in Linux, no.
13:16
<Lns>
nubae: nope! I'm scared to move from 2.x in ltsp ;)
13:16
<nubae>
but u've looked at it?
13:16
<Lns>
nubae: i haven't, no
13:16
<nubae>
I'm installing it now, just wonder what to expect
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<Blinny>
Interface is very similar
13:17
<nubae>
yeah, understand the fear
13:17
<Blinny>
I think integration with non-odt file types is superior, as well as the commenting system is very nice.
13:17
<nubae>
but I'm installing it on my test lab
13:17
thats what I read about, the commenting system
13:18
I cracked my md5 password yesterday in less than a minute...
13:18
dont consider that secure at all anymore
13:19
<Lns>
lol nubae you hax0r
13:19
nubae: let us know how the test goes with OOo 3 in LTSP..it would be valuable information
13:19
Is OOo3 in ibex?
13:19
<nubae>
lol.... http://www.md5crack.com/
13:19
no
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<nubae>
need to download it from OO.org
13:20* Lns hopes 3.x has many pixmap caching improvements for thin client networks
13:21
<Blinny>
No doubt.
13:22
Your Results: "Sorry guess we couldn't find it."
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<stgraber>
hey there
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<alkisg>
nubae, I tried the md5 of "pass00" and it couldn't find it... How easy was your password? !!! :P
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<Blinny>
probably was "password"
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<Blinny>
l33txa0rxhzz!
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<kc8pxy>
someone said i should come here to get help getting ltsp server on the host and testing ltsp-clients on a vbox guest.
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<kc8pxy>
on ubuntu
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, you had any problems with this setup?
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<nubae>
alkisg: well it didnt contain any numbers
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<alkisg>
nubae, trivial... :P
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<nubae>
:p
13:51
but the command line cracker does do pretty much anythiong
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I guess the website only has dictionary words
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: yes. guest is not getting a dhcp or anything. it's assigning it's own ip.
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<alkisg>
nubae, which one? crack-md5
13:55
kc8pxy, did you enable network booting?
13:55
kc8pxy, NAT or host networking?
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: yeah, the gpxe iso i'm feeding my guest boots, gets an ip, and then fails to tftp
13:56
<alkisg>
kc8pxy, NAT?
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: i can't get host networking to work right on ubuntu, but it's a breeze on gentoo. my gentoo commands don't get the same result on ubuntu
13:57
<alkisg>
kc8pxy, NAT? :)
13:58
<kc8pxy>
alkisg: yeah. i was hoping for some help getting the host networking to work. someone in ubuntu said there were a few people here who could help.
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, ok. You'll need 3 things:
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(for gPXE, that is, because for the embedded "boot from network" function it's only 2)
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1. a TFTP folder in your .VirtualBox directory
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ln -s .VirtualBox/TFTP /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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2. Symlinks to pxelinux.0 for all your virtual client names
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<alkisg>
e.g. I've named a vbox client ltsp1, so I symlinked pxelinux.0 to ltsp1
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<kc8pxy>
one client image per server?
14:01
or am i reading that wrong?
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<alkisg>
No, pxelinux is not a client image
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<alkisg>
It is used to load the linux kernel over the network
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Do ls -l /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 to see what I mean
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<Lns>
alkisg: wow thx for putting that TOC in your wiki page - didn't know it was that easy to do! Just used it on the main ubuntu ltsp wiki page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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<alkisg>
and 3. A newer version of pxelinux.0, because the ones provided in hardy/intrepid need the tsize option from the tftp server, and the vbox tftp server doesn't provide this
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Lns, heh - newbies do have new ideas! :)
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, you don't need (3) if you use the embedded boot from network function
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<Lns>
Everyone has ideas, and together we all make the best out of them all =)
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, a last thing, VirtualBox doesn't support the netascii tftp transfer mode, so your virtual clients won't be able to download lts.conf unless you change a line in the ltsp_nbd script
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pfiou.... now I need to rewrite this into a how-to! :D
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<Blinny>
Is there a definitely iTalc howto yet?
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: I'm trying to use this as a virtual training. so i can go out and deploy this box as the ltsp server. so i'm trying to stick as close to deployment procedures as possible. how much of this is specific to vbox vs. a "real" client?
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, then you follow the wrong approach
14:06
You should virtualize the server as well and use internal networking
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Then everything would be as real as it can get
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<kc8pxy>
it's not that way with host networking?
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<alkisg>
Blinny, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/iTalc (just joking, it's almost empty)
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kc8pxy, no
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NAT is closer (and saves RAM) but you'll need the 3 things I said above
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<Blinny>
alkisg: heh yeah I've seen that one
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: the trouble with virtual server also is that all the tweaking i do, i have to then ALSO do on the host os, AFTER i get it just right.
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, don't you have a spare PC to use as a thin client? Almost anything will do...
14:12
Because with NAT you loose all the DHCP-related configuration, *and* lts.conf configuration
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: I'm developing this at my home for FreeGeekColumbus. i don't have any more open ports on my switch/router. got plenty of "junk" pc's i could bring home as thin clients.
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<alkisg>
OK, does your server have 2 NICs? or, can you put another NIC?
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: yes and no. this is a donated box, it has 2 onboard nic, but the second is fritzy, and i don't have a second plae to put an lcd/crt, and don;t have a kvm.
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, I didn't understand all you said, but I was suggesting to use a crossover cable to connect the second NIC to a junk PC
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: i've used host interface before, with success on a couple of client/server situations.
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<kc8pxy>
but not on ubuntu.
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alkisg: i don't have the space at the house to fully deploy a second, pc, to be an ltsp client.
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, ok, but when the client makes a dhcp request, who's going to answer?
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kc8pxy, the dhcp request will be broadcasted from the same NIC that hosts the dhcp server (=your donated server)
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I don't think it'll even get an IP
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: isn't dhcp response oportunistic? fastest response gets a cookie?
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, not necessarily
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: my sucess in making host networking work is by briding a tap dev and the real eth0
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<alkisg>
E.g. with gpxe you may use a priority option
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: so i can say, listen to the guy with this mac, over that guy?
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<alkisg>
something like that. You declare this in dhcpd.conf
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kc8pxy, about the bridging: both are still one NIC. tap0 will broadcast a dhcp request, and eth0 is supposed to answer, but I don't think it'll even receive the broadcasted message, since eth0 is actually the one that broadcasted it. I may be wrong, but I think it'll be more difficult with host networking (unless you depend on an external dhcp server)
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: external dhcp server is also running linux. i can config it. how do we get the host interface working so i can be needing to worry about that issue?
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, this has nothing to do with ltsp, it's all in the virtualbox manual
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kc8pxy, but if you can configure a dhcp server, then you may as well use NAT networking, you're not missing much of the ltsp fun... :)
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<kc8pxy>
alkisg: why is it giving it's own ip address? hte ip it's getting with nat is not on my dhcp.
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either of them.
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<alkisg>
kc8pxy, the vbox network inside NAT can be configured with VBoxManage, you can see the manual for details
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But you don't need to worry about that
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E.g. I've configured my NAT clients to 192.168.0.x, so they *all* use 192.168.0.15.
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VirtualBox has an embedded dhcp server
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So you don't actually need a dhcp server on your real PC to test ltsp with NAT
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<vagrantc>
i typically set my virtualbox server up with two network cards- one with NAT, and one on the "internal network", and then i make a client with one card on the internal network.
15:12
works great.
15:12
but i've also been playing with bridges lately, which is a little more complicated to set up, but also works pretty good.
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, kc8pxy doesn't want to have a virtual server...
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<vagrantc>
just a virtual thin client?
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<alkisg>
yep
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<vagrantc>
then bridges is the way to go.
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<alkisg>
or NAT :)
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oh, but he wants his host to be the ltsp server
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vagrantc, so bridging may be a little tricky
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<jimcooncat>
well, you don't HAVE to have the dhcp portion on the same server
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: can you actually configure virtualbox's DHCP server?
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i've never even looked.
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, not really, just the network id
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all clients get (192.168.0).15
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.15 for *all* clients
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<vagrantc>
bridging isn't that tricky, you just use the bridge for your LTSP network and attach the device to it rather than configuring the device itself...
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my default bridge connects to dummy0, so that i don't actually mess up someone else's network.
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, will everything work if a virtual client is bridged to a host=ltsp server?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: works for me.
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<jimcooncat>
only gotcha is to make sure there's no other dhcp server on the main subnet
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, and the virtual client gets an ip from the host dhcp? (not in an internal network....)
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i've done it, yes.
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<alkisg>
cool, I thought that would fail
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<vagrantc>
if you have firewalling set up, it can be tricky.
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<Lns>
TO anyone concerned about Java GUI slowness in LTSP - this is a proposed fix that I've tested, and so far, it looks good. http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg35132.html
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<kc8pxy>
vagrantc: I'm trying to test out something like what you guys have.
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in pdx
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<vagrantc>
kc8pxy: glad to hear it :)
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<kc8pxy>
still don't kno how to get it to have a d-i option though :-(
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<cliebow>
sbalneav:??
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<jc2it>
I am trying to setup a Thin Client to boot directly to a telnet login. This is what I have in my lts.conf file. It does not work.
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[00:E0:C5:4A:D4:09]
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SCREEN_03=telnet
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TELNET_HOST = 192.168.2.2
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<vagrantc>
!release
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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<jc2it>
Ubuntu Hardy Heron 8.04 + LTSP 5
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It boots to a GUI, which is in the default section.
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Screen_03 says: Screen: tty3 - Press (enter) to to connect to server
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and loops after pressing enter
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<zamba>
how do i change the timeout of the screen blanking for the kiosk mode?
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<johnny>
where did my favorite ubuntu devs go..
18:18* vagrantc suspects maine
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<cliebow>
on the road me thinks..ill let you know who is here in a few minutes
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<chris-at-bts>
i don't think any ubuntu guys are here, at least yet...
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<jc2it>
[00:e0:c5:4a:d4:09]
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SCREEN_02=telnet
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TELNET_HOST = 192.168.2.2
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screen: tty2 Press enter to connect to server
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/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/telnet :59: telnet not found
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any reason i get this message?
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<chris-at-bts>
i could be wrong, im not familiar with everyone here yet
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<jc2it>
I think they are on their way to LTSP By-THe-Sea
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2008
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<chris-at-bts>
who is?
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<jc2it>
I don't know the ones who are usually here ;-)
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<chris-at-bts>
are you going to be here?
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<jc2it>
nope leaving for home now.
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<johnny>
the intrepid upgrade hit me in the face
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the kernel has a screwy sata driver
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<johnny>
vagrantc, ogra did not go iirc?
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i had serious problem with ubuntu kernel 2.6.27 :(
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i wish i could find the kernel that shipped with intrepid alphas
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the 2.6.26 kernel
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i had a 2.6.24 kernel
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but it seems to lack sound modules .. which is really weird
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<vagrantc>
johnny: oh
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<petre>
Greetings from LTSP BTS
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<vagrantc>
greetings from the previous hackfest in PDX :)
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<petre>
vagrantc, Portland?
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<vagrantc>
petre: yeah. i'm sitting in the room where we had the hackfest in july
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<dberkholz>
and i'm an hour and a half south of there. =P
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<petre>
at FreeGeek?
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<vagrantc>
yeah
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<loather-work>
SW harbor, ME is about as far as you can get from where I am and still be in the same country :P
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<vagrantc>
petre: if y'all talk about the various LTSP events, meetings, etc sometime, i'm sure we'd be glad to host another event at freegeek
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<loather-work>
dberkholz: eugene?
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<petre>
vagrantc, sounds good to me
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<dberkholz>
loather-work: between ... corvallis
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<petre>
wherever out west it is next summer, I'm going to try to make it
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<loather-work>
right on. for a while there i was going up to EUG every couple of months for work
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i like oregon.
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<dberkholz>
no oscon here, but there's gonna be a conference alongside linux plumbers called linuxcon. might be a good time
20:35* petre has never been to oregon, needs an excuse to go there
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<loather-work>
is "its cool" enough of an excuse?
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<petre>
works for me!
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<dtrask>
Anyone home?
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BTS guys?
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<chrisinajar>
dtrask: hello :)
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<dtrask>
chrisinajar: Where is everyone?
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<dtrask>
you guys in SW hahbah?
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<chrisinajar>
dtrask: we just got internet a few minutes ago, i think i was the only one to immediately jump onto IRC...
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<chrisinajar>
there's 9 of us here now, i believe...
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<dtrask>
So How'd you guys rig it this year?
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<chrisinajar>
we have wireless hooked up in the room, which then goes through 2 linsys routers, a server, and to a switch... power cables draped over the support beams...
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<dtrask>
I remember the first year with an airport swinging in the wind hanging from a pipe in front of the office and we had a "can" antenna in the "restaurant"
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<chrisinajar>
haha, awesome...
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<dtrask>
Typical
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LOL
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<chrisinajar>
yeah, we managed to get a wire in here to goes to internetz...
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<dtrask>
LOL
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<chrisinajar>
I'm not sure where that wire goes outside of this room...
21:14
<dtrask>
long as it works
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<chrisinajar>
It's white and leads us to the outside world (irc)
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<dtrask>
hows the speed
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?
21:15
<chrisinajar>
good
21:15
<dtrask>
cool
21:16
called Dave (the hotel owner) today to reserve my room....gentlemens agreement....I'll be there very late tomorrow night....just about when ya'll get going on stuff.... :-)
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<chrisinajar>
awesome, i'll be looking forward to it...
21:16
just a moment ago someone went "Oh! You're chrisinajar! I just put it together!"
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<dtrask>
who?
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LOL
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<chrisinajar>
I would tell you but i have no idea :-P
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I'm horrible with names...
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<dtrask>
ragnar there?....the norwegian guy?
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easy to spot ;-)
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hey brendan
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<chrisinajar>
yes
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he just arived
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well, a few minutes ago
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<dtrask>
cool'
21:19
<chrisinajar>
then left again....
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<brendan0powers>
dtrask: greetings
21:19
<dtrask>
hide the scotch
21:19
LOL
21:19
brendan0powers: greets
21:19* dtrask wishes I was there already
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<dtrask>
So....who's in SW harbor?
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<brendan0powers>
a bunch of people just came in
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<chrisinajar>
uuhh... a jim, a dave...
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<dtrask>
where's jammcq?
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<chrisinajar>
and maybe a scott...
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i could be wrong
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<dtrask>
Jim is "Father"....or esteemed one
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<brendan0powers>
how about Mr. LTSP
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<dtrask>
OK....Now we know how long this battery lasts ;-)
21:33
playing with a laptop....battery is flaky
21:33
lost the backlight and couldn't get it back without a reboot
21:34
stgraber: you in Maine yet?
21:34
warren_: you in Maine?
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cliebow: you there?
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brendan0powers: Hey...when is elwarreno coming up?
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<cliebow_>
he is here
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got the whole motel rewired
21:41
stephan is here
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scotty and jammcq just blew in!
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dave johnston
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<dtrask>
cliebow_: cool....I'll be there tomorrow night...late....midnightish
21:42
ragnar?
21:42
how about petre?
21:42
cliebow_: did Jim Gluting make it this time?
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<dtrask>
Well...I gotta hit the sack so I can get rested for my trek to BTS tomorrow night. Long day and night, but it'll be fun
21:46
See you all late tomorrow night...place your beer orders before 9:30 p.m. ;-)
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<dtrask>
g' night
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<sbalneav>
Moo
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stgraber!!!!!!
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<stgraber>
sbalneav !!!
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<sbalneav>
stgraber: how are you
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23:28
<twb>
My gods, has anyone even tried to use ltsp-manager in Ubuntu Hardy?
23:29* Ryan52 googles ltsp-manager
23:29
<twb>
First is backtraces with "no /opt/ltsp/", and then when I mkdir it, it backtraces with "pathlen is an integer and has no len()"
23:29* twb hates the Ubuntu cowboys
23:30
<twb>
Ahahaha
23:30
They have a function that returns the type (or list integer)
23:30
Stupid "duck typing" idiots
23:31
And of course there is no manpage for this whatever-it-is "ltsp-manager"...
23:31
Ryan52: "Description: This is the LTSP GUI management tool to set up, modify and manage an Ubuntu LTSP server Thin Client installation. It guides you through the Thin Client chroot installation and enables you to adjust dhcp settings on the server. It also allows you to tweak specific settings for the Thin Clients."
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23:33
<Ryan52>
ah. ubuntu specific.
23:35
<twb>
Bit strange that it prefers /opt/ltsp to /srv/ltsp
23:36* vagrantc suspects ltsp-manager hasn't been maintained for quite some time
23:37
<vagrantc>
all ltsp implementations i know of use /opt/ltsp, which was established before /srv was even a gleam in the milkman's eye.
23:37
<twb>
vagrantc: yeah, but so was /tftpboot, which is also dumb
23:37
Or like how AFS uses /afs/thingyaa, because "thingy" was the original AFS server's hostname
23:38
<vagrantc>
twb: yes, but you said it was strange that it prefers /opt/ltsp, whereas i would think it would be strange for it to prefer anything else, given that nothing else does either.
23:39
maybe altlinux uses /srv ...
23:39
<twb>
vagrantc: changing that kind of upstream thing is what distros are for
23:39
<vagrantc>
twb: i'm not disputing that, i'm disputing it being strange.
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<twb>
Well, I suppose it's not strange for Ubuntu, because they don't do their job :P
23:40
<vagrantc>
this is coming from someone who once advocated to switch upstream ltsp to /srv/ltsp
23:40
but historic momentum prevailed.
23:40
and i deemed it was "not worth it".
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<twb>
Hmm, no support for building SuSE client images OOTB?
23:42
(My stupid customer requires SuSE :-()
23:43
<vagrantc>
suse has kiwi-ltsp, which is pretty much an ltsp5 implementation, but implemented rather differently from most of the other distros.
23:43
<twb>
Is it worth me practicing on Ubuntu, then?
23:44
<johnny>
/opt/ltsp is standard across distros.. not sure what it has to do with ubuntu..
23:45
ltsp-manager .. does that even work for ltsp5?
23:45
ever?
23:45
i think that was an ltsp4 thing..
23:45
<twb>
johnny: well, Debian (and by inference, all the parts of Ubuntu that Ubuntu haven't gotten their grubby mitts on) is supposed to adhere to Policy, which requires FHS.
23:46
<johnny>
sure.. but srv is rarely supported anywhere..
23:46
not on gentoo either..
23:46
i'll move to /srv when ltsp itself decides to do so
23:46
but not until then
23:47
<twb>
Argh, I can't view the link to the ubuntu wiki because it is https
23:48
<johnny>
you can use https?
23:48* vagrantc suspects it works without the "s"
23:48
<twb>
Not in curl browsers.
23:48
vagrantc: nope, without the s it just premanently-redirects (302?)
23:49
It's like Ubuntu have a conspiracy to force me to use Firefox
23:49
<johnny>
you could use midori or epiphany..
23:49
<twb>
You can't log in to their BTS with lynx or w3m, either.
23:49
<johnny>
or internet explorer :)
23:49
lol
23:49
<twb>
I'm using midori
23:49
midori doesn't support https
23:49
<johnny>
i have it with soup
23:49
not curl
23:49
<twb>
That's a webkit option, isn't it?
23:50
<johnny>
yes
23:50
<twb>
Yeah, I can't recompile webkit
23:50
<dberkholz>
i like /srv.
23:50
<johnny>
it matters little to me
23:50
it's all the same
23:51
<dberkholz>
makes it a lot easier to find the important stuff when you take over admining a server
23:51
<johnny>
i'm sure people will just find another way to screw up the directory structure underneath
23:52
i just look at the configs of the servers themselves to know ..
23:52
<dberkholz>
doesn't scale very well =)
23:52
<johnny>
nothing scales very well
23:53
humans are looking at it..
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