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Channel log from 3 June 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<NeonLicht>
Hello.
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<NeonLicht>
My thin clients download the kernel (.....done) and stops there doing nothing else (apparently). The server logs (/var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages) don't show anything either. I've been looking through the troubleshooting documentation, but I can't find what that could be caused by. Any ideas, please?
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<alkisg>
NeonLicht: strings /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 | grep ^PXELINUX
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03:37
<alkisg>
(anyway try with a more recent pxelinux)
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03:45
<dingz>
hi everyone, is there a way _not_ to center the LDM login box?
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05:03
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
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<NeonLicht>
Morning mgariepy.
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06:11
<NeonLicht>
My thin clients download the kernel (.....done) and stops there doing nothing else (apparently). The server logs (/var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages) don't show anything either. I've been looking through the troubleshooting documentation, but I can't find what that could be caused by. Any ideas, please?
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<Gnoze5>
hi
06:18
<andygraybeal>
omgs good mornrininginggin!@
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<Gnoze5>
lol good afternoon..
06:22
<andygraybeal>
l;)
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07:00
<Gnoze5>
hey alkisg
07:00
:)
07:01
<alkisg>
Hello
07:02
<Gnoze5>
alkisg do you know iTalc?
07:02
<alkisg>
Yup
07:02
we used to use it in schools here but it crashed too often and there was no feedback from the maintainer so we dropped it
07:04
<Gnoze5>
what does it use? vnc?
07:04
<alkisg>
Yes, but encrypted for safety. We didn't like that either, it slows vnc down 5 times.
07:05
<Gnoze5>
im sure you could turn off encryption though no?
07:05
<alkisg>
No
07:07
<Gnoze5>
crazy.
07:10
so you opted to do your own vnc no encryption ?
07:13
<alkisg>
We're just using x11vnc and vinagre, we didn't see a reason to make our own vnc
07:13
Of course we automate that with sch-scripts (thumbnails, double click opens x11vnc etc)
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<Gnoze5>
makes sense
07:27
<NeonLicht>
alkisg: when I do 'strings /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 | grep ^PXELINUX' as you sugessted, I get: PXELINUX 4.02 debian-20101014
07:27
<alkisg>
NeonLicht: is that Squeeze?
07:28
<NeonLicht>
Yes, it is.
07:28
<alkisg>
I've seen some versions of pxelinux fail with certain clients, that's why I suggested trying with a different pxelinux.0 version
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<frankensteen91>
hi
07:29
<NeonLicht>
07:29
<frankensteen91>
i have a Problem with LTSP and the Guest-Login
07:29
<alkisg>
NeonLicht: you just download one (from debian, from ubuntu, from upstream...) and overwrite /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 with it
07:30
NeonLicht: do you have that problem with different types of clients? Or all are the same type?
07:30
<NeonLicht>
Ah, really? Dou you know of any that works fine?
07:30
I have only three, atm, all of them behave the same.
07:30
<alkisg>
NeonLicht: as I said, it depends on the clients. I'm not sure that this is your problem. It's just an idea, you can try different versions and see if it helps your case.
07:31
<NeonLicht>
I don't think it is, but I don't know what to do, since there is nothing in the log files or on the clients screens...
07:31
<frankensteen91>
i have set LDM_GUESTLOGIN to true but it do not work
07:31
<alkisg>
NeonLicht: that makes sense, since the kernel isn't running so it can't use the logs
07:32
NeonLicht: can you try with a VM client? Virtualbox, qemu etc?
07:32
<NeonLicht>
I mean the server logs. If the clients did anything through the network the sewrver would log it.
07:32
<alkisg>
How would it log the client kernel failing to load?
07:32
<NeonLicht>
Yes, I could, if I knew how to do it.
07:33
<alkisg>
frankensteen91: do you see a button on the login screen on ldm?
07:33
<NeonLicht>
I don't know how to "place" the VM on the same network as the thin clients, really.
07:33
<frankensteen91>
yes i see it
07:34
<NeonLicht>
I'm not saying it would log the kernel failing.
07:34
<alkisg>
frankensteen91: and the problem is that when you click it, you cannot login?
07:34
<frankensteen91>
yes i get a german nonsaying string as error
07:34
<alkisg>
frankensteen91: I mean a [Guest login] button
07:35
<frankensteen91>
but i have the button [Anmeldung als Gast]
07:35
<alkisg>
And can you login normally, by manually providing a username/password?
07:35
<frankensteen91>
yes the normal login is possible
07:36
<alkisg>
OK, did you set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD in lts.conf?
07:36
<frankensteen91>
oki is it not the ubuntu-guest?
07:37
<alkisg>
No
07:37
It's a method to login to a specific user account
07:37
The name "guest" is a little misleading :)
07:37
<frankensteen91>
oki and tha password as md5?
07:38
<alkisg>
Nope, plain text
07:38
<frankensteen91>
oki thx
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<frankensteen91>
i hope it works at shool
07:47
<alkisg>
You'll need to specify LDM_USERNAME/password for each computer at school
07:47
You cannot use one for all of them
07:58
<NeonLicht>
c4r4c0l4
07:58
c4r4c0l4
07:59
<andygraybeal>
hopefully that is not your password :)
07:59
<Lumiere>
I bet it is
07:59
/ns ghost NeonLicht ... XD
07:59
<andygraybeal>
neon lights, and lumens .... omg
08:00
it's awful bright in here
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<Lumiere>
hey it works!
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08:02
<andygraybeal>
kraftwerk rules, btw.
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<Roasted>
hey guys - has anybody used unity on ltsp yet?
08:14
<andygraybeal>
i'm scared too :P
08:14
i've seen talk about it in the mail list
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10:25
<wanradt_>
Hi!
10:25
Having here weird problem, googleing did not give much.
10:26
So, trying set up LTSP5 server based on Ubuntu 10.04
10:26
All thin clients are set from BIOS to boot from Network Card
10:26
Oldest terminal (Compaq Deskpro PII@300, from year 2000) machine goes fine and everything works.
10:26
Other two (IBM Thinkpad and HP Compaq Evo, from about 2006) booting nicely to the login screen, except there will NO LOGIN DIALOG (nor session information on lower corner), just white canvas with orange blotch over it
10:26
Mouse moves, Ctr+ALt+F1 goes nicely to first terminal, so everything looks nice, but there is no login dialog...
10:26
What may be wrong?
10:31
<alkisg>
Try this: sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
10:31
And replace "quiet splash" there with "nomodeset"
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<wanradt_>
it worked!
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<wanradt_>
thank you, alkisg!
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12:43
<andygraybeal>
what would be the easiest way to do a demonstration on LTSP to select clients? I guess just like ITALC, i've never used italc though. Maybe italc is the answer though.
12:43
and will i be able to do this with different screen resolutions?
12:45
<alkisg>
Try italc first. If it doesn't work on yourj setup then you can use x11vnc.
12:45
<andygraybeal>
okay, thank yuo - does italc work in 10.04?
12:45
<alkisg>
`sudo apt-get install italc-master` + logoff/logon should be enough
12:45
<andygraybeal>
ooh nice :)
12:45
so fun!
12:45
<alkisg>
It's not per ubuntu version, it's per... computer lab
12:45
It works in some labs, not in others
12:46
<andygraybeal>
hm.. weird, thank you - is it resolution independant? cause i got some 1280x1024 and then i got some bigger monitors at some other resolution that never sticks in my head (new fangled monitors...)
12:46
oh and i think i have some regular older ones at 1024x768
12:47
oh, also do i need to do something in chroot to the client image? like install italc-slave ?
12:47
<alkisg>
You can set all clients to the same resolution e.g. 1024x768 for the presentation. Not sure if italc supports scaling, but x11vnc surely does.
12:47
for starters, don't touch your chroot. If italc has problems, *then* try installing it to the chroot as well.
12:48
<andygraybeal>
awesome thank you!
12:49
<alkisg>
XRANDR_MODE_0=1024x768 in lts.conf
12:49
<andygraybeal>
okay, awesome thank you for that too.
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<vagrantc>
me flounders trying to figure out how to explain ltsp-trunk 1812 in plain english for a commit log
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13:56
<vagrantc>
stgraber: ah, cool. you synced with debian's ldm packaging :)
13:58
<stgraber>
vagrantc: hmm, not that I remember :) though I remember merging a good part of your changes last cycle
13:58
<vagrantc>
stgraber: in december, looks like you merged most packaging changes
13:59
the diff is much smaller than i remember :)
13:59
<stgraber>
vagrantc: hopefully this cycle I should be able to review the remaining delta and maybe then just sync from Debian
14:01
<vagrantc>
stgraber: there are probably a few things that will probably stay different for the forseeable future
14:02
gtk2-engines-clearlooks is part of a huge package in debian ...
14:02
so ironically i use gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks
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though maybe i should just drop that stupid patch and eat the extra 1MB of installed cruft.
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<vagrantc>
maybe it used to have some stupid recommends, too ...
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<andygraybeal>
alright, it looks like italc is working for me
14:15
and it does scale displays
14:49
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i'm a little fuzzy on the language selection changes to ldm ...
14:50
stgraber: there used to be two different variables ... one was for setting the language that the greeter appeared in ... and the other was for selecting the language the user wanted on the logged in session
14:51
and it used to default to not setting any language variables if no language was configured...
14:51
i.e. the default on the server
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<koalinux>
hello
14:56
i need help
14:57
i 'd like to login on tty1 instead of ldm
14:57
but when i try to do it i always get the following reply:
14:57
login incorrect
14:58
<vagrantc>
you would need to configure users in the thin-client chroot
14:58
koalinux: why do you want to do that?
14:59
<koalinux>
because i want to chroot in thin client
14:59
i tried
14:59
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
14:59
<vagrantc>
what's your end goal?
15:00
<koalinux>
i'd like to be free to administrate my server from thin client
15:00
(sorry for my english if i said something wrong)
15:00
(i'm italian)
15:01
<vagrantc>
the thin client is not a writeable environment, so it wouldn't work
15:01
<koalinux>
So, can't I run commands in pxe image?
15:03
<vagrantc>
you can run commands, but it won't affect the server
15:03
<koalinux>
so..is it possible to include fglrx drivers in the kernwl image chrooting?
15:03
<vagrantc>
possibly
15:04
you would do that from the server, though
15:04
<koalinux>
ok
15:04
so i can chroot
15:04
<vagrantc>
i.e. chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
15:04
yes.
15:04
<koalinux>
then install fglrx
15:04
<vagrantc>
what distro?
15:04
<koalinux>
ubuntu 11.04
15:05
the have i to update the kernel image typing ltsp-update-kernel?
15:05
<vagrantc>
ltsp-update-image
15:05
<koalinux>
just ltsp-update-image?
15:05
<vagrantc>
(which i think also runs ltsp-update-kernels)
15:06
<koalinux>
oh,wow
15:06
<vagrantc>
i *think* so, but running ltsp-update-kernels again won't hurt
15:06
<koalinux>
:)
15:06
is it deprecated?
15:06
<vagrantc>
it's totally different
15:06
<koalinux>
?
15:06
<vagrantc>
it's like saying an apple was deprecated because you have a potato
15:07
they do different things
15:07
or that a bicycle was deprecated because you have a pencil
15:08
<koalinux>
so what is the function of update kernels?
15:08
<vagrantc>
it updates the tftp dirs with the new kerenl
15:08
ltsp-update-image updates the NBD images
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<koalinux>
so when I tell it to update the image, does it update also the tftp dirs?
15:10
<vagrantc>
i think so, but i don't remember.
15:10
i run debian which doesn't need ltsp-update-image at all, just ltsp-update-kernels
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<koalinux>
Whith debian are you able to build an "arm" based architecture client?
15:12
<vagrantc>
yes :)
15:12
<koalinux>
wow:)
15:13
thank you very much for helping me
15:13
<vagrantc>
it's not well tested, but it can be done
15:14
i developed the arm support in ltsp's debian in 2009 with a sheevaplug ...
15:14
<koalinux>
that's great!
15:14
i think one day i'll try:)
15:14
<vagrantc>
tested it a little with an efikamx the last year or so
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<koalinux>
i'd like to try with a lacie network space
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or with a device called (in italy) fastweb video station
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is a sort of sky decoder
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i tried to make a script in /opt/ltsp/etc/init.d/auto_login
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#!/bin/sh
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su -user
15:21
sorry
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su user
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but it doesn't work
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I always get ltsp login on tty1
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<vagrantc>
use screen scripts
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SCREEN_07=shell
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will give you a shell
15:23
<koalinux>
mm interesting
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<vagrantc>
there are various examples in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d
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<koalinux>
i'm trying
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<koalinux>
goodnight friends
15:52
thank you
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