IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 13 June 2013   (all times are UTC)

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03:35
<map7>
To get a printer working on an LTSP client do I have to add a cups server to the thin client image?
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04:39
<work_alkisg>
No
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09:32
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, hi :)
09:32
Are you on strike too today? ;-)
09:32
<alkisg>
Hey Hyperbyte
09:34
Nah, working 16h per day like usual :D
09:34
<Hyperbyte>
Heh
09:34
I hear there's lots of strikes in the public sector because of public media being shutdown
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10:38
<Funkour>
hi
10:38
someone here?
10:39
<FrozenZia>
just us lurkers... =o)
10:40
<muppis>
And work-a-holics.
10:40
<Funkour>
I have a problem. could I ask you? ^^
10:40
<FrozenZia>
Funkour: yeah, the way to go seems basically to just join a channel, post your question, and if anyone can help, they'll pick it up....
10:40
<muppis>
!ask
10:40
<ltsp`>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
10:41
<FrozenZia>
(i.e. what muppis said...)
10:41
<Funkour>
I set up a Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with LTSP. 2 Network-Cards. One on NAT and on Bridged. New User is added. I works in VMware Workstation. The Problem is that my Client didn't start
10:41
It found the OS, get an IP but then there is only a blackscreen
10:42
Configuration Files are, ok. With Edubuntu does it work but noch with Ubuntu
10:43
<FrozenZia>
very unsure about this, but I think there was a setting in lts.conf for adjusting color depth -- try setting it to 16, maybe?
10:43
<Funkour>
ok I try it...one moment
10:43
where is the lts.conf? ;-)
10:44
<FrozenZia>
something like /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/.....
10:47
<Funkour>
no nothing...
10:47
<FrozenZia>
meaning you couldn't find it, or it didn't help?
10:47
<Funkour>
couldn't find it
10:48
there is nothing like lts.conf in the directory
10:49
<muppis>
It doesn't exist by default.
10:50
!lts.conf
10:50
<ltsp`>
lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
10:50
<FrozenZia>
I use "locate" a lot, like: locate lts.conf
10:50
on my system it's at "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf"
10:50
<Funkour>
ahh ok. I didn't know this
10:51
ok I read the page and write the conf
10:51
If there are other problems I ask again. Thanks and have a nice day
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11:18
<vince_II>
hi ppl
11:20
got a question which i could not really find the answer to. I want to use ltsp for using heavy apps on our servers. However, when the app starts to use too much memory i would like to put it on another server with more memory. would this be possible?
11:25
<markit>
vince_II: I've no idea, but probably googling for "ltsp cluster" is a start point
11:25
or go for "fat client" solution
11:26
if you have powerfull enough clients
11:26
<vince_II>
yeah i have been over at ltsp-cluster.org, but could not really figure this one out
11:27
so we have a bunch of very powerful calulation server, and one server handling all the graphic output, in that sense it is a little different from classic ltsp deployment. Or that is how i imagine it to be, i want to redo the setup of the system and make one entry point as a front-end to the calc servers
11:28
the thing is they use up really lots of mem (up to 80G) and compute power, sometimes suffication each other
11:30
and it seems to me ltsp/ltsp-cluster has all tools available to achieve this, with some adaptation maybe, without me starting to make a home-cooked solution
11:31
sorry if i am not all that clear, the plan is still forming in my head and i am looking for tools to make this happen :)
11:38
<Hyperbyte>
vince_II, hrm...
11:38
Sounds like an interesting project.
11:40
<vince_II>
Hyperbyte: indeed it is :)
11:41
for now all users start a vnc session on the server of their choosing, but this is not anymore 2013 as we want it too be :)
11:42
<Hyperbyte>
Well, you -can- define a different server for each LTSP client.
11:42
<vince_II>
so i want a single connection point from where their load on this system is better spread and moved to other servers if neccesary
11:42
the latter part would be great but i am not sure it is possible; what i do know is that the first part for sure needs to be done
11:43
yeah, well the thing is that the loads vary quite a lot, during their session, and calculations are know to take days in some cases
11:44
<Hyperbyte>
The latter part is possible, but I think only with virtual machines.
11:45
If you'd run each piece of intensive software in their own virtual machine, you could easily migrate them to another virtual host
11:45
<vince_II>
I was thinking on X11 forwarding at first, combined with some virtualisation per session, so i could move them around if need arises
11:45
right :)
11:45
<Hyperbyte>
But, whatever way you're going to choose... I think it's going to require some serious hacking.
11:45
<vince_II>
which i why am i here for :)
11:45
<Hyperbyte>
Needless to say, the kind of load balancing you want isn't in LTSP.
11:45
<vince_II>
s/why/what/
11:46
<Hyperbyte>
LTSP-cluster does load balancing, but only during login. It doesn't take into account that certain users can have such incredibly intensive processes running.
11:46
<vince_II>
yeah, but ltsp provides load info on a central place
11:46
<work_alkisg>
Do these apps use any of the parallelizing frameworks like MPI?
11:46
<vince_II>
so periodically checking that would help a lot to even out cpu load and mem load
11:46
<Hyperbyte>
Let's say it puts two clients on app server A, and three on app server B... if the two people on A both start up very intensive programs (the kind you're talking about) then tough luck...
11:47
<vince_II>
work_alkisg: they could, but that in itself needs adaption of their scripts, mainly its AFNI, Matlab, IDL, FreeSurfer, FSL
11:48
and not all of them are mpi-ready
11:48
but i like where your thoughts are going, maybe add it to the 'soup'
11:48
<work_alkisg>
MPI should better match the problem of runtime load balancing. Otherwise, some of the VDI solutions that offer VM migration...
11:49
You can create a netbooted MPI cluster with LTSP, but other than that, the runtime balancing issue isn't much related to LTSP...
11:49
<vince_II>
eevn our infrastructure is well fit for MPI
11:49
<work_alkisg>
You can easily implement "login time balancing" with LTSP though
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11:50
<vince_II>
yeah, and i thikn ltsp provides the single-access-point capability
11:50
<work_alkisg>
There's a get_hosts script in LDM that easily allows selecting the server with the lowest load at login time, but after login, you can't move the app on another server
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11:52* work_alkisg gets afk again.. :)
11:54
<vince_II>
that i understand , and that is exactly the most difficult point in the whole setup, though virtualisation would do the job, or rip out everything and make the whole backend an mpi cluster
11:54
not really easy all this, but you guys input help me to form new idea's and that is really great
11:55
(and gals!)
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12:37
<Hyperbyte>
vince_II, good luck with your project. :)
12:38
Keep us posted
12:38
Will be interesting to know what solution you end up going with
12:39
<markit>
hi work_alkisg, first time I see you with this nick :) first time you are working too? ;P
12:40
how are you?
12:40
ehm, maybe you are busy lol, nevermind
12:40* markit at work too
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12:55
<davew>
Hi All,
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12:57
<davew>
I am trying to change a thin client edubuntu 12.04 system to thick clients. I have followed the Jonathan Carter article and although I seem to be close I now find
12:58
<Hyperbyte>
Hi
12:59
<davew>
that some of the existing clients cannot log in. I n taling to Alkisg the other day he suggested that I modify the session parameter to ubuntu-2d which I did.
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13:01
<davew>
He also suggested that I examine the Troubleshooting a Shell Screen Article and paste into lts.conf values for SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm
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13:03
<davew>
I have done this and the effect at the terminal is that CTRL+Alt+F2 just gives me a flashing hyphen at the top left hand corner of the screen and CTRL+ALT+F7 gives me
13:04
the white graphical log in screen. Anyone got any thoughts about what to do next ?
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<vince_II>
will keep you posted to see where it ends up with :) thanks for the input so far, unf. another meeting is waiting for me
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13:37
<Hyperbyte>
davew, the screen_02 trick should work. The flashing underscore you see should turn into a root shell in a few seconds or so
13:38
<davew>
THanks Hyperbyte . I will try it now.
13:39
Ctr+Alt+F2 on a client terminal only gives me the flashing hyphen I have described above.
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13:46
<Hyperbyte>
Put your lts.conf on pastebin
13:46
!lts.conf
13:46
<ltsp`>
lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<davew>
Sorry Hyperbyte, what do you want me to do ?
13:49
Did you mean waste bin ?
13:52
<Hyperbyte>
!pastebin
13:52
<ltsp`>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
13:58
<davew>
pastebin.com/GbWWAZWX is what you want I think
14:03
<Hyperbyte>
Yes sir.
14:03
You have two [Default] sections.
14:04
Get rid of one
14:04
(remove line 11)
14:06
<davew>
OK Will comment out the top one
14:07
Sorry missed that - I only have the last default section left is that OK ?
14:08
<Hyperbyte>
16:04 <Hyperbyte> (remove line 11)
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<davew>
This takes out [Default] yes
14:10
That is the word [Default] leaving onlty the SCREEN lines
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<davew>
Only lines active are SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm....This O.K. ?
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<davew>
Hyperbyte --do I need to restart anything ?
14:27
<Hyperbyte>
davew, pastebin your new lts.conf.
14:27
You don't need to restart anything after modifying lts.conf
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<davew>
pastebin.com/aQPS0BVQ
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14:43
<davew>
Out of interst Hyperbyte I notice that Ctrl+Alt+F1 gives me a text login but does not allow me to log in as administrator
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<Hyperbyte>
ugh
14:52
Go back to your original lts.conf
14:52
Remove line 11
14:52
That's it
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<davew>
Hurrah Ctrl+Alt+F2 gives me a text login -- what now
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<davew>
Hyperbyte - have checked Ctrl+Alt+f2 on other terminals and this gives a text log in - so what do you want me to do now ?
15:03
<Hyperbyte>
A text login?
15:03
Doesn't it say root@ltspNN~ ?
15:03
Or rather root@ltspNN#
15:04
<davew>
Typically root@ltsp37:/#
15:04
<Hyperbyte>
Right.
15:05
That's not a login prompt, that's an already-logged-in root prompt.
15:05
<davew>
Your good Hyperbyte
15:05
<Hyperbyte>
That's what alkisg was aiming at when he asked you to modify lts.conf
15:05
<davew>
I understand
15:05
<Hyperbyte>
davew, thank you. Unfortunately for you, I'm off now. So you'll have to find someone else to help you further. :)
15:06
<davew>
OK thanks for all your help and patience. Regards
15:12
Is there any body else who can take me further ?
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15:29
<davew>
In connection with this what does sudo netstat -nap | grep :69 do for me
15:29
check
15:30
check
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<gvy>
erm, maybe he wanted ss instead of netcat
15:35
*netstat
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<milledel>
after and update to ltsp-client I ran 'ltsp-update-image' and 'ltsp-update-kernel'. Now client fails to boot with 'sed: can't read /proc/meminfo: No such file or directory'
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15:46
<milledel>
Debian wheezy AMD64 host, Debian wheezy i386 client.
15:48
Fresh client install as of yesterday, only updated to add basics. Odd thing is, I have tried to add IceDove and APT claims it's installed but does not show up on client. In trying to touble shoot that, now have the issue above.
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