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Channel log from 22 September 2009   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<johnny>
vagrantc, uhmm.. do you have the proper proper version?
00:00
err proper pulse version*
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<vagrantc>
johnny: 0.9.17-1
00:01
<johnny>
ah.. that should be huh
00:01
<vagrantc>
johnny: works fine module-detect, breaks with module-udev-detect.
00:01
<johnny>
and module-udev-detect actually exists for you?
00:01
<vagrantc>
so it's more than simply the pulseaudio version, or debian's carrying patches to pulseaudio
00:02
<johnny>
here's what i see in fedora 12 alpha
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00:03
<johnny>
.ifexists module-udev-detect.so load-module module-udev-detect .else
00:03
### Alternatively use the static hardware detection module (for systems that lack udev support)
00:03
load-module module-detect .endif
00:03
i put some of the lines together as you can see..
00:03
vagrantc, why don't we just use that structure?
00:04
oh.. if we call it on the cli.. we can't use if huh..
00:05
it's too bad we can't just use the local pulse :(
00:05
err local pulse config vs doing it ourselves on the cli :(
00:05
<vagrantc>
different dirs for module-udev-detect
00:05
on different distros, different versions, etc.
00:06
<johnny>
sure.. but if we used the pulse config file.. we don't have to care about the dirs at all..
00:06
<vagrantc>
well, i'm all for making it simpler.
00:07
if anyone has a suggestion.
00:07
for now, i'll just patch and upload.
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00:08
<johnny>
if there were a way to override the settings we need (mostly network right?) in the default config via the cli, we wouldn't have the problem (i hope)
00:08
vagrantc, another solution would be distro config files with these kinda vars
00:09
PULSE_LIB_PATH .. whatever..
00:10
<vagrantc>
it's dependent on the version installed on debian
00:12
it's different in every distro, and even inconsistant with given releases of a particular distro ... not predictable.
00:14
<johnny>
perhaps there should be a way to ask .. :(
00:15
<vagrantc>
like you said, it woudl be nice to be able to override configuration file options with commandline arguments. that would do it, no?
00:15
so it needs to be fixed in pulseaudio
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03:13
<nubae|work>
we are looking for a way to add the exit (logout options) button to the top panel via gconf... but cannot seem to find that option anywhere... can someone guide me as to where/how to do that (has to be done on a large scale, so can't do it via right click, etc)?
03:16
<ogra>
you want the fusa-applet
03:16
i dont think there is a gconf key
03:17
if fusa is installed the panel wont show the gnome options so you have to use it ... either remove fusa or make sure to have it in the panel as default appelt
03:17
*applet
03:18
<nubae|work>
ogra, we want to remove it completely
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03:19
<nubae|work>
and in its place put an exit button
03:19
<ogra>
create a launcher :)
03:20
gnome-session-save --help :)
03:21
<nubae|work>
but how do we put it in the top panel
03:21
and at the desired position
03:29
ogra, any ideas?
03:29
<ogra>
yes, but no time atm, sorry
03:29
<nubae|work>
ah ok... maybe later...
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03:45
<openstep>
hi
03:45
can someone please tell me how to remotly shut down an ltsp client?
03:48
anyone?
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04:26
<moldy>
is there a way to lock a user's x/gnome session such that only root can unlock it?
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06:43
<dkostousov>
Hi. Can I configure detecting and automounting all local drivers?
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07:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
dkostousov: could you expand on that question a bit?
07:16
what do you mean by "local drivers"
07:20
<dkostousov>
ltsp clients have a drivers with some data. I want to share it
07:20
drivers -> /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 etc
07:21
<ogra>
ahh
07:21
you mean drives :)
07:25
<dkostousov>
:)))))
07:26
Anybody using ltsp on Fedora?
07:26
<moldy>
ogra: hi. i am looking for a way to lock a user's session such that he cannot easily unlock it again himself. any suggestions?
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07:44
<dkostousov>
How I can configure hostname for specific host?
07:48
<Appiah>
server? client?
07:49
<dkostousov>
client
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07:56
<alkisg>
dkostousov: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#static-entries-dhcp
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08:02
<dkostousov>
alkisg: I tried this. But the client's login screen shows "client-192.168.1.200"
08:03
<alkisg>
dkostousov: maybe fedora's scripts override the hostname that it gets by dhcp.
08:13
<dkostousov>
Thx
08:16
I have a problem with printer. I add "PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0" to the lts.conf. The client find printer and jetpipe is started.
08:16
But I can't connect to it from cups or hp-setup.
08:30
Clinet's dmesg shows "usblp0: nonzero write bulk status received: -32
08:31
Clinet -> Client
08:35
any idea?
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09:05
<treyh>
alkisg: I finally got that script to work last night
09:05
<alkisg>
treyh: from what I saw at the logs, you didn't have the original script, but a modified version, that's why it didn't work...
09:05
<treyh>
yup
09:06
i had taken out the option that it needed
09:06
but again, thank you for your help!
09:06
<alkisg>
Yes, -f $RDP_SERVER...
09:06
No problem :)
09:06
<treyh>
I asked last night but it was late
09:06
it there a place on the docs or somewhere else where things of this nature can be shared?
09:07
<alkisg>
treyh: you could put it in the ubuntu wiki, if you like, but you could also expand it a little and send a patch, for the devs to consider putting it upstream
09:08
E.g. RDP_SERVER=ip1,ip2,ip3,ip4.... in lts.conf, and a script that randomly selects between them - I don't think anyone would object to such a patch
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09:08
<alkisg>
This way you wouldn't need to patch it again in the future :D
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09:16
<treyh>
alkisg: thank you for the info, will look into it
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<alkisg>
treyh: here's the necessary function, try pasting it in a terminal: random_server() { random_index=$((`hexdump -e '"%d"' -n 1 /dev/random` % $#)); eval echo "\$$random_index"; }
09:36
Then, if you write to the terminal: random_server server1 192.168.0.1 10.160.31.17 it will answer with one random server among the ones you put there
09:36
So in the rdesktop script you'd just need to call it with: RDP_SERVER=`random_server $RDP_SERVER` and this would get you support for multiple servers from lts.conf
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09:38
<dkostousov>
Can somebody help me to config printer?
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<jammcq>
hola #ltsp
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09:45
<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "Modified rdesktop screen script for enabling load balancing between multiple RDP_SERVERs" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/555
09:46
<alkisg>
treyh: Here's the final script ^^^. You use it by putting the servers in lts.conf, e.g.: RDP_SERVER="server1 server2 server3 server4"
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<rjune__>
!j
09:59
<ltspbot>
rjune__: "j" is jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<jammcq>
hey rjune__
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10:33
<dkostousov>
jetpipe from ltsp-client-5.1.84 doesn't work
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10:46
<ogra>
dkostousov, how does it not work
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11:18
<dkostousov>
ogra: dmesg shows " usblp0: nonzero write bulk status received: -32" when I print to client's printer via JetDirect
11:19
<ogra>
so jetpipe is working fine then
11:19
it does what its supposed to do and hands the data to usblp0
11:20
can you telnet to port 9100 on the client ?
11:20
<dkostousov>
# rpm -qa \*ltsp\*
11:20
ltsp-client-5.1.86-1.fc11.i586
11:20
ltspfsd-0.5.13-2.fc11.i386
11:20
<ogra>
uh, fedora, no idea then ... but the jetpipe part seems to be ok
11:22
<dkostousov>
hm... # telnet 192.168.1.200 9100
11:22
Trying 192.168.1.200...
11:22
telnet: connect to address 192.168.1.200: Connection refused
11:23
telnet works before update ltsp-client 5.1.84 -> 5.1.86
11:24
"telnet 192.168.1.200 9100" works properly after client reboot
11:25
<ogra>
so your access to usblp0 is hung i'd say
11:25
do you use the right printer driver ?
11:26
<dkostousov>
jetpipe crashes after printing
11:26
printer: HL LJ 1000
11:27
I use foomatic
11:28
Now change to hpcups
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11:30
<dkostousov>
Cups shows "/usr/lib/cups/filter/hpcups failed" with hpcups 3.9.8 dirveriver
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11:30
<dkostousov>
driver
11:31
but jetpipe don't crash.
11:31
Why hp-setup can't find printer?
11:32
<zamba>
anyone running ltsp in as a xen guest?
11:34
i'm not able to run youtube videos smoothly at all..
11:34
very jerky
11:35
i'm starting to think xen has something to do with that
11:36
<ogra>
i know vagrantc uses xen with debian, no idea if he uses flash at all though
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11:36
<zamba>
and if that also explains my issues with pulseaudio crashing
11:36
i'm not really happy with the performance
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11:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
zamba: what OS are you running? Also: localapps?
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11:53
<zamba>
_UsUrPeR_: no localapps
11:53
_UsUrPeR_: running ubuntu jaunty
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11:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
zamba: I highly, HIGHLY recommend you investigate localapps for flash play
11:54
<zamba>
_UsUrPeR_: but a P4 should be able to play youtube videos?
11:54
shouldn't it?
11:54
there boxes were running windows xp earlier
11:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
Is the P4 your server, or the client?
11:54
<zamba>
the client
11:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
unfortunately, the P4 is not utilized in playing the video
11:55
<zamba>
the server is a dual xeon
11:55
with only ONE client running, the playback is jerky and choppy
11:55
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah... normally, from my experience, the problem is not normally processing speed. It's network throughput
11:55
<zamba>
and opening a few newspapers with a little bit of flash makes the whole experience very sloggy and jerky
11:56
well.. got 100 Mbit/s? that oughta be enough?
11:56
<_UsUrPeR_>
zamba: not really, no.
11:56
<zamba>
oh my?
11:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
even with gig, only about two or three users can be used at a time without localapps before the users start to suffer
11:57
<zamba>
so you mean run firefox as a localapp?
11:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
the problem is relaying the information back and forth between the server and the clients.
11:57
firefox AND flash
11:57
install them both as localapps
11:58
<zamba>
what else do i need to do?
11:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
might as well stick java in there for good measure
11:58
<zamba>
lts.conf-wise, i mean?
11:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
11:58
<alkisg>
also, ensure that there are proper video drivers on the client, and not generic ones (vesa, nv etc)
11:59
<zamba>
alkisg: how do i do that?
11:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
^^^ werd
11:59
<zamba>
alkisg: and how can i select different video drivers for different hardware?
11:59
<alkisg>
zamba: what graphics card do you have on the clients?
11:59
<zamba>
alkisg: different models
11:59
but i know a few are nvidia based
11:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
nothing weird like S3 Verge or Trident, right? :)
11:59
<alkisg>
Most graphics cards should be autodetected. But e.g. with nvidia ones you'll have problems :)
11:59
<zamba>
nah, don't think so
11:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
you should be fine
12:00
<zamba>
ok, i should have problems and i should be fine :)
12:00* alkisg uses S3 Virge 2Mb *just fine* :)
12:00
<zamba>
alkisg: playing youtube videos fine as well?
12:00* _UsUrPeR_ shudders uncontrollably
12:00
<alkisg>
I can watch full screen videos on Pentium @300 MHz :D
12:00
<zamba>
ohcomeon!
12:00
<ogra>
ISA ?
12:00
:P
12:00
<alkisg>
Hehe... nope, but I do have isa sound cards :D
12:00
<zamba>
always me
12:00
nothing works for me
12:00
i can't believe this
12:01
<alkisg>
(don't work, though, I don't care enough about the sound to load the opti modules)
12:01
<zamba>
you're playing full screen videos on a pentium @300 mhz, while i can't even play them as a stamp on a P4
12:01
unfair
12:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
zamba: localapps first.
12:01
everything else will be fine
12:01
<alkisg>
zamba: no, flash mostly uses the server CPU and doesn't use hw acceleration, so I can't watch full screen flash on them
12:02
I'm talking about xv accelerated video played with totem
12:02
<zamba>
well.. i tried watching a movie in full screen and i noticed the same lag then
12:02
it's like a little jerk every second or so
12:02
<alkisg>
zamba: run xvinfo locally. If it tells you no adaptors present, you need drivers :)
12:03
<zamba>
but running the server as a xen guest should be just fine?
12:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
zamba: once you move the processing onus from the server to the clients, you should be fine
12:03
<alkisg>
I guess so, the server doesn't need a graphics card
12:03
<zamba>
_UsUrPeR_: somehow i don't believe that :)
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12:03* _UsUrPeR_ is protected by the 1st amendment
12:03
<zamba>
_UsUrPeR_: you won't believe the amount of bad luck and stuff that *should* work, that never works for me
12:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
and I can say what I want! :)
12:04
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_ is right, localapps will help a lot. Won't give you accelerated video, but they'll give you better throughtput
12:04
<zamba>
i have a guy in ##xen who can confirm that
12:04
i'm the opposite of plug 'n play
12:04
<_UsUrPeR_>
zamba: I have run servers off of VMware server, which I would contend is a larger resource hog, with fine framerates once I had localapps working properly
12:05
<zamba>
but i feel the localapps thing is a dirty hack which really don't solve the actual problem
12:05
doesn't*
12:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
localapps?!? A HACK???
12:05
*shun*
12:05
<zamba>
hehe
12:05
i don't believe alkisg is using localapps on his pentium to play his videos
12:05
and it works fine for him
12:06
<johnny>
why would he lie?
12:06
<zamba>
is he?
12:06
<johnny>
if he says he is.. he is
12:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
no. We don't make money by getting you to try localapps
12:06
<zamba>
_UsUrPeR_: i definitely will try localapps.. but i still want this to work off the server
12:07
_UsUrPeR_: will do some more tests tomorrow
12:07
_UsUrPeR_: check the network utilization as well
12:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
when you say "work off the server", could you clarify that?
12:07
<zamba>
without using localapps
12:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
what is your major concern with localapps?
12:07
<johnny>
zamba, that's just not how it works with video zamba sorry.. it just sucks over the network
12:07
<alkisg>
zamba: xv reduces the network traffic a lot.
12:07
<johnny>
that's how it is with video
12:07
<alkisg>
zamba: but flash doesn't use xv
12:07
<johnny>
flash == suck
12:08* _UsUrPeR_ nods
12:08
<johnny>
even on regular computers..
12:08
<alkisg>
So no matter what, you won't be able to watch flash properly without localapps
12:08
<johnny>
i can't hardly use it on my 1.5ghz pentium-m
12:08
<zamba>
alkisg: xv?
12:08
<alkisg>
X Video (accelerated video)
12:08
<zamba>
alkisg: ok
12:09
alkisg: so you played a video using totem?
12:09
<alkisg>
Example: an xvid 640x250@25 fps needs only 50 mbps with xv
12:09
<zamba>
alkisg: with no localapps?
12:09
<alkisg>
If the same video was played with no xv, it would need e.g. 300 mbps...
12:09
<zamba>
hm, ok
12:09
<alkisg>
Yes, I'm able to play an xvid movie simultaneously to all my 8 clients (with 100mbps cards each, gigabit on the server)
12:10
<zamba>
so the problem could be related to missing drivers, which means i don't get xv enabled?
12:10
<alkisg>
The totem problem, yes
12:10
The flash problem won't go away unless you use localapps.
12:10
<zamba>
ok
12:10
i'll give it a go tomorrow and get back to you
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<zamba>
_UsUrPeR_: something you said.. xen is better performance-wise than vmware?
12:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
vmware server, from my experience, is an absolute dog
12:12
I have never treid out Xen
12:12
<zamba>
ok
12:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
but I assume anything is better at this point
12:12
<zamba>
how do you measure stuff like this?
12:12
hehe
12:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
if using something depresses me, it goes in the "dog" pile
12:12
<johnny>
uggh flash
12:12
<zamba>
i've been using xen for some weeks now.. it's all fine and dandy, but im not really happy with the performance
12:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
and using vmware server and it's web interface depresses me
12:13
<zamba>
hehe
12:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
well... I suppose the grass is always greener on the other side, huh?
12:13
<johnny>
zamba, well it is virtualized.. what do you expect :)
12:13
you could try something like openvz/vserverfor less overhead
12:13
space between vserver and for..
12:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
I HAVE used openvz, and find it superior
12:14
<johnny>
or kvm.. but i'm not that familiar there
12:14
_UsUrPeR_, but it's not really virtualization.. it's more like extended privilege seperation
12:14
and compartmentalization
12:14
more like bsd jails i guess
12:14
<alkisg>
compartmentalization? ugh that sound like german :P
12:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
I believe KVM actually required a different processor because the one we were using did not support virtualization
12:15
<johnny>
you sound like german
12:15
lol
12:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
It was an inter Q8600
12:15
err... intel
12:15
<johnny>
hmm.. i don't think i could explain "you are" jokes to a somebody who doesn't live around here.. but it's ok.. they aren't really that funny
12:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: I got it. I also rebut with "Your mom sounds like German"
12:17
<johnny>
lol yes.. you do
12:17
<alkisg>
I like the jokes with your mother's fat client the most, the ones Gadi says.. :D
12:17* _UsUrPeR_ groans again
12:18
<zamba>
alkisg: you used gPXE and http for booting your clients?
12:18
or at least, tried it
12:18
<alkisg>
zamba: I've succesfully tried it, but I never used it in school
12:18
<zamba>
ok
12:18
are you going to convert to it?
12:18
<alkisg>
I booted a client from a web server...
12:18
No, no need for that
12:18
Proxydhcp is all I needed...
12:19
<zamba>
ok
12:19
<johnny>
it smells like tar
12:19
:(
12:19
somebody must be paving road upwind
12:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: something about your mom...
12:25
I will stop that now. I apologize.
12:26
<stgraber>
vagrantc: currently LTSP doesn't boot so I'm not sure ;)
12:27
<ogra>
stgraber, ltsp-docs synced ;)
12:27
just in time before beta freeze :)
12:27
<vagrantc>
whee.
12:27
<nonix4>
_UsUrPeR_: don't think Q8600 exists... or does it?
12:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
nonix4: You are correct. I was mistaken
12:29
we replaced a Q8800 with a Q9400
12:31
hm
12:31
nope. Q8800 is nor a processor either.
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<nonix4>
Q8300/Q8200, as those would be ones without VT?
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(Q8300 being a special case, as some of them have it, some don't, only distinguished by SPEC/order codes)
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<nonix4>
anyway, since somebody mentioned flash... how would I build a VM to serve that horrifying thing as localapp?
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<johnny>
huh?
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<alkisg>
nonix4: it doesn't need to be in a vm, or in a different server...
12:45
<johnny>
build a vm to serve it as a local app? that sentence doesn't make sense :)
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<stgraber>
ogra: yeah !!
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<nonix4>
well it is too unholy to be served from a real server, so VM would add some isolation from the ugliness :)
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<Appiah>
hey stgraber , do you just compile your own openvz kernel in karmic?
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<dkostousov>
Why hplip can't find printer connecter via jetpipe?
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<kalib>
Hi there. In my company, we do use ltsp with thinclients EZ1000. It's working fine for almost everyone. Only the developers are having troubles. Lag, etc.. Is there any problem with ltsp and IDEs?
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<nonix4>
some programs make ridiculous assumptions... as in use ridiculously heavy animations.
13:22
<johnny>
kalib, no problem with ides in particularly..
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<treyh>
I'm using rdesktop and the caps lock doesn't work, any ideas?
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<johnny>
probably THE ide specifically tho
13:23* alkisg wonders which ide is THE one...
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<nonix4>
Happen to have tried things like "meld", which while a nice diff tool, uses quite heavy animations for no particular reason?
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<kalib>
johnny, we got problems with eclipse and glade
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<johnny>
ah.. eclipse
13:27
blame eclipse
13:27
eclipse is heavin in general
13:27
you might want to try LDM_DIRECTX=Y tho
13:27
in lts.conf
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<Gadi>
treyh: its a known rdesktop bug. the fix is this:
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edit /usr/share/rdesktop/keymaps/common
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and change the second to last line to:
13:29
Caps_Lock 0x3a capslock
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<johnny>
seems like such an easy fix.. why isn't in rdesktop??
13:29
or at least patched in the debian package
13:29
<Gadi>
politics
13:29
of course
13:29
:)
13:30
<kalib>
johnny, thanks ;]
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<treyh>
Gadi: thank you sir
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<kalib>
but.. I'm already using an directly RDP.. over windows server 2008
13:30
<johnny>
kalib, that disables the encryption
13:30
kalib, then i have no idea
13:30
i don't use windows nonsense..
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<kalib>
:/
13:31
I hate windows too..
13:32
we have only 2 windows servers..
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<treyh>
if linux had a replacement for Active Directory, i would have 0 windows serverws
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<johnny>
depends on which part of active directory you mean..
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most other thigns can be faked..
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<kalib>
o.O
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<Appiah>
OpenLDAP ?
13:41
eDirectory
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there's 2 ... sure there are more
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<kalib>
Appiah, hahahha.. it's different..
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active directory is much better
13:43
I hate windows.. but..
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<Appiah>
Never tried eDirectory
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<kalib>
in this case.. i need to agree with treyh
13:43
<Appiah>
What can Windows AD do in a linux envoirment that openldap can't ?
13:44
I know what openldap cant do in a windows env :)
13:44
<kalib>
Appiah, is much better to control the domain.. more organized.. users, groups.. much more simple to use and user friendly
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<Appiah>
so
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in a place filled with linux servers
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you put in windows ad to control this domain?
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<kalib>
yeah..
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because we have linux and windows servers..
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so.. we have only one domain control
13:54* Lns wonders why nobody mentioned samba
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<Appiah>
:D
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<Treyh_>
maybe I'm missing it, but I just don't see a guide for sharing a network printer for ltsp clients
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<Appiah>
but for a a none windows server , but centralised control, openldap can work
14:04
Treyh_ been looking for similar
14:05
I think LTSP still lacks documentation for alot of stuff that people solved
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<johnny>
well don't put all the stuff directly under ltsp banner
14:05
make sure the general stuff stays general
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<Treyh_>
Appiah: looks like we use cups
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<johnny>
instead.. say.. i think linux lacks
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<Appiah>
ye I got that part
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<johnny>
orwhatever
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<Appiah>
I "think" I know how to solve that
14:06
<johnny>
most problems with ltsp are not ltsp related
14:06
<Appiah>
I solve it once I have printers to connect :D
14:06
<johnny>
they are peole having trouble doing stuff in linux in general
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<Treyh_>
I know how to add the printer directly to the ltsp server
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<Appiah>
I wanna add printers to one server and control the access with ldap , I'm sure there's plenty of people who have done that
14:08
eeer
14:08
well ldap (groups)
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<stgraber>
Appiah: no, I'm using hardy as host with jaunty VZ
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<Appiah>
cups wont see the different
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differnce*
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stgraber: oh
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so I should get hardy and use karmic VZs to test?
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<Treyh_>
Ok so I have a network printer added to the ltsp server, what modifications would I make to cups/lts.conf to allow users to have access to it
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<johnny>
shouldn't need any i hope
14:32
they shoudl just show up
14:32
oh..perhaps cups need some AllowGroup
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uggh i hate cupsd.conf
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<Treyh_>
ok cool, i'll look up the details for rdesktop then
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<johnny>
oh.. rdesktop
14:33
different problem
14:33
read the cups docs
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<johnny>
and add the printer as ipp
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in windows..
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however that is done
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<stgraber>
alkisg, vagrantc: Was that one of you who mentioned broken hostname with karmic ?
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<alkisg>
Not me
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<stgraber>
alkisg: any idea of why I'd get an empty hostname ?
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<alkisg>
stgraber: in the ltsp clients?!!!
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<stgraber>
might come from your udhcp script but I'm not yet sure of that
14:43
yeah
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<alkisg>
Ah.... let me check the code for ideas
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<stgraber>
and empty hostname breaks ssh, shell and a few other funny things
14:43
I see we have some code in LTSP for cases where it's set to (none) but not for when it's empty
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<stgraber>
so that makes me think that usually it's never empty unless something set it that way
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<alkisg>
if [ -n "$hostname" ]; then echo "$hostname" > /proc/sys/kernel/hostname; fi
14:46
I can't imagine how that would write an empty hostname...
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<johnny>
in fedora and gentoo we generate a hostname based off the ip ifthere isn't one
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<alkisg>
We do the same in debian/ubuntu, e.g. 10.160.31.123 => ltsp123...
14:48
But I can't see what would empty the hostname :-/
14:48
<johnny>
oh .. really.. i musta missed that
14:48
it did'nt used to do it
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<alkisg>
Yeah I proposed a patch for it last year
14:49
<johnny>
i think mine and warrens is client-127-0-0-1 or whtatever
14:49
<alkisg>
johnny: you may want to look at it, I think it's nice, it does some calculations for nicer names
14:49
The first client on the subnet is named client1, the second client2 etc
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Of course for 255.0.0.0 subnets the last client has a very big number :)
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<johnny>
alkisg, then shouldn't it be some way part of
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ltsp-init-common ?
14:50
i'll use it if it is there :)
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<johnny>
perhaps warren will to
14:51* alkisg can't yet seperate what's ltsp-upstream and what's debian/ubuntu specific... :(
14:51
<johnny>
alkisg, use a diff program :)
14:51
it would be nice if there were no upstram patches
14:51
i don't use any
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<alkisg>
E.g. it's in that file: ltsp-trunk/client/initramfs/scripts/nfs-bottom/ltsp
14:52
<johnny>
oh, warren and i don't do it in the initramfs..
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<alkisg>
...everything in initramfs is distro specific?
14:52
<johnny>
we do it in ltsp init scripts
14:52
so i guess we can't share
14:52
until we all use dracut of course
14:53
gentoo's scripts are a combination of debian/ubuntu/fedora init scripts :)
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<alkisg>
johnny: http://paste.ubuntu.com/276062/
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<johnny>
with my own touch :)
14:53
i write to /etc/conf.d/hostname
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for example
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bind mounted
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and let that handle the work
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<alkisg>
Heh, I did the exact same thing in a S00-twin-client-setup I was trying to make for non-ltsp fat clients...
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<alkisg>
I was able to do everything I needed from that S00 script
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stgraber: I don't know what the problem is, but it won't hurt to put an extra "if [ -z "$HOSTNAME" ]" in ltsp-trunk/client/initramfs/scripts/nfs-bottom/ltsp
14:58
...so that we solve your problem - we'd still need to look what causes it, though...
14:58
*would
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<stgraber>
alkisg: yeah, I'm working on that now, basically it's not empty but contains an empty line
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<alkisg>
Ah. Yeah that could be udhcpc's fault.. looking
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stgraber: can you put a break=mount and see if /tmp/dhcp-info.conf contains a hostname?
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<stgraber>
alkisg: sure, hang on a sec
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alkisg: nope, no hostname there
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<alkisg>
stgraber: then maybe it's not udhcpc's fault
15:36
While still there, if you cat /proc/.../hostname, is it (none) or newline?
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/proc/sys/kernel/hostname
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<stgraber>
(none)
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<alkisg>
stgraber: a newline is in <chroot>/etc/hostname - maybe that's where it comes from
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<stgraber>
but so was it with jaunty :(
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<alkisg>
I.e. our scripts run fine, and then the init scripts read the hostname and set it
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stgraber: it was (none) in break=mount? Shouldn't ltsp-trunk/client/initramfs/scripts/nfs-bottom/ltsp had been executed by then, and changed the hostname? Maybe try set -x in top of the nfs-bottom/ltsp script?
15:48
ooops, nope, bottom is after mount, sorry.
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<stgraber>
had a quick look and it seems that after the ltsp script is run the value is correct
15:50
so something must break it afterwards
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<alkisg>
What (in jaunty) puts our "hostname=ltsp123" value to /etc/hostname?
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<stgraber>
argh, I think I know what's wrong
15:52
<alkisg>
...we only write it to /proc/sys/kernel/hostname, not on the root filesystem....
15:52
<stgraber>
the new upstart as an event triggered when the hostname isn't set
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/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init/hostname.conf
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exec hostname -b -F /etc/hostname
15:53
so we'll need to write the hostname to /etc/hostname before this one gets started
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<alkisg>
I think a lot of things could be moved from the initramfs to some early init scripts (not for Karmic, of course)...
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<johnny>
alkisg, that means we might be able to share :)
15:57
<alkisg>
That'd be nice :
15:57
:)
15:57
stgraber: so anyway, in ltsp-trunk/client/initramfs/scripts/nfs-bottom/ltsp the root file system is mounted, so we can write it there
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stgraber: but we should write it even if it's <> '(none)', for the case that udhcp set it
15:58
...because udhcpc doesn't have the ability to write it to the root file system as it runs in premount
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<stgraber>
alkisg: I'll just dump whatever is in /proc to /etc/hostname
16:03
<alkisg>
Sounds good
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<Ahmuck_Sr>
pessulus is ?
16:56
in comparison to sayabon?
16:56
er, sabayon
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<johnny>
used by sabayon
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<Chiplogan>
18:20
Alguem pode me auxiliar?
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