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Channel log from 25 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<Shingoshi>
Did all of you guys go to bed?
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03:36
<dan__t>
'morning.
03:36
<SiCk>
mornin
03:37
<dan__t>
Anyone ever had issues where a client would not change resolutions in X via ctrl+alt+ +/- ?
03:37
<SiCk>
if i could get into x :D haha
03:37
<dan__t>
heheh
03:37
you had that thin client that wouldn't boot, right?
03:39
<SiCk>
yeah, we got it booting though
03:39
<dan__t>
What was the issue
03:40
<SiCk>
the processor was unsupported, kylem created me a custom kernel
03:40
<dan__t>
awesome.
03:40
glad to hear it.
03:40
<SiCk>
yeah, i was blown away from the help i've gotten here
03:41
just having a few wee teething problems now
03:41
<dan__t>
Yeah, very cool huh.
03:41
<SiCk>
i've configured it to boot in kiosk mode, just having a few x probs now. typical!
03:41
yeah it's crazy how it works so well
03:42
<dan__t>
Yea... X is a bit difficult sometimes.
03:43
So, when a client boots X... does it get info regarding resolutions from build_x4_cfg?
03:44
Trying to figure out why I have a few machines that can't change resolutions.
03:45
<SiCk>
not sure, but if i remember correctly in the client specific config files, you can force a resolution
03:46
<dan__t>
Yeah, don't want to force one - I have different monitors on other machines.
03:47
<SiCk>
could you not force it for that specific machines Mac?
03:47
<vanya>
dan__t, better check the X logs on those clients, maybe you just don't have sufficient video RAM or monitor doesn't support high resolutions
03:48
<dan__t>
Welp that leads me to another question. Do clients start sshd by default?
03:49
I'm at home now, not in my lab, else I'd test before asking :)
03:49
<vanya>
they don't start it..
03:49
<dan__t>
I'm not lazy, I promise!
03:49
<vanya>
that's a problem for me too :)
03:49
<dan__t>
So how would one go about starting sshd on a client?
03:49
<vanya>
I must all the time run across the office :)
03:49
<SiCk>
vanya, any idea on an x problem of ' your session lasted less than 10 seconds etc etc '
03:49
<vanya>
I just don't see sshd in /opt/ltsp*
03:50
<SiCk>
tried to figure it out, but it isnt having any of it
03:50
<vanya>
SiCk, where do you get this?
03:50
<SiCk>
at bootup on the client
03:50
after making the machine auto-login and use a custom .xsession file
03:50
its setup as kiosk
03:51
<vanya>
don't know
03:51
<SiCk>
from ere: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins
03:51
<vanya>
check the logs of xdm(kdm) and X logs on client
03:52
<SiCk>
where are the logs kept for the clients?
03:52
<dan__t>
vanya, where might I find X logs for the clients?
03:52
<SiCk>
hehe :)
03:52
<dan__t>
er, in /tmp/var on the client I guess, huh...
03:53
<vanya>
I don't remember exactly
03:53
I think in /tmp
03:53
<dan__t>
yeah, /var is linked to /tmp/var
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<vanya>
just find -logfile in /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc/screen.d/startx
03:55
it tells where it stores log files
03:56
<dan__t>
oh, ok.
03:56
<vanya>
As I remember I was in need to change this to /tmp , in other case I don't got logs at all
03:56
<dan__t>
I was reading about configuring up to three vtys on the client machine. Are these vtys as if they were on the local machine?
03:57
er, i mean, if I want a getty shell waiting on that tty
03:57
I meant 'tty' from above heh
03:57
<vanya>
i just use ssh from local client shell
03:57
don't want to use telnet
03:58
<dan__t>
erm, I open a terminal from within X on the client machine, and it's showing as being logged into the server.
03:58
<vanya>
this is the snip from my lts.conf:
03:58
SCREEN_01 = startx
03:58
SCREEN_02 = rdesktop
03:58
SCREEN_03 = shell
03:58
<dan__t>
very cool, thank you.
03:58
And that shell is as if it is local to the client machine, yes?
03:58
<vanya>
then you can switch ttys as usual on client
03:58
yes, it's local shell
03:58
<dan__t>
Yes.
03:59
<vanya>
you can cat logs there..
03:59
<dan__t>
Ok, rad.
03:59
yeap.
03:59
<vanya>
or send them to server using scp
03:59
<dan__t>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps#SSH_root_ltsp_without_NIS_and_or - that's an interesting read.
04:00
<vanya>
by the way - all the people that have problems with X server setting up - try to use old known X -configure on client machine ;) (you must specify full path to X binary)
04:00
<dan__t>
yes, I'd love to, but until this point I've not been able to get a tty on the client machine to do that :)
04:01
I'll just do that, and make custom config entrys for bitchy clients inside of lts.conf
04:01
I have one guy who was running 1600x1200 under Windows, and he hates this 1280x1024 hackery. Can't blame 'em.
04:01
<vanya>
I was forced to create xorg.conf for each client separately in one environment
04:02
<dan__t>
1280x1024 is as high as the resolutions go. I get around this by figuring out new X_MODE_N = lines, right?
04:03
make a 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1600x1200?
04:03
<vanya>
by the way ltsp's 4.2 "standard" kernel doesn't always detects monitor's supported frequencies - you might need to use Knoppix or something in order to get correct frequencies
04:03
and then just write them to lts.conf
04:03
<dan__t>
Alright, I'll note that one for tomorrow.
04:04
<vanya>
dan__t, I don't tried to write X_MODE_N
04:04
so don't tell for sure
04:04
<dan__t>
Er, no, I mean N == 1,2 or 3
04:04
er, rather, 0, 1, 2
04:04
<vanya>
*can't
04:04
check the logs - this is the first step
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<dan__t>
Yup.
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<vanya>
and also check the generated xorg.conf
04:05
<dan__t>
I'm just investigating right now, since I can't check any logs.
04:05
both those items were not possible to do prior to the last 10 mins of our cha there :)
04:06
<vanya>
anybody tried to setup nas sound on clients?.
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<dan__t>
Nosir, I have no sound on client machines.
04:10
<Jenna>
hi guys, I've had/having a bad experience with K12LTSP-5. (half screens, not functioning USB flash drives). Now Im think of jumping over to edUbuntu camp. tell me if its a wise idea. plz ?
04:10
<dan__t>
Now I'd easily be able to figure this out if I were at the office, but what kind of authentication is used when a 'shell' is specified as SCREEN_0N?
04:12
<Jenna>
dan__t, : "shell" just opens up a debug console with root privilages of the client (ofcourse without prompting for passwd)
04:12
<dan__t>
Thanks, I suspected as much, just wanted to verify.
04:14
What are 'half screens', Jenna?
04:15
<Jenna>
the screen just goes kaput right in the middle
04:15
<dan__t>
Like a little black box pops out of nowhere and you lose the video on it or what?
04:15
<Jenna>
I not resized but the bottom half is just blank
04:16
yeah no video in the bottom half
04:16
<dan__t>
Interesting.
04:16
have you examined logs for problems?
04:16
<Jenna>
Im running k12ltsp5 in production environment
04:17
yeah. nothing. after I restart the clients it gets fixed.
04:17
<dan__t>
You'll have to forgive me for not being familiar, but I would assume it to be pretty much in line with ltsp4.1/4.2
04:17
What kind of video cards are being used, and do they have a history of this behavior under X?
04:17
<Jenna>
but sometimes when kids switch from linux to windows and come back to linux it somethings does this halt screen thing
04:18
<dan__t>
How are they going back and forth?
04:19
<Jenna>
Im using those DELL Gx thingies with a reasonably cards.
04:19
CTRL + ALT +F1/2
04:19
dan__t, : u a ltsp n00b ?
04:19
<dan__t>
Very much so.
04:19
Very good with Linux, however. I'm just trying to adapt my knowledge, to an LTSP environment.
04:20
I've never used X in this fashion before, so I'm still getting used to a few things here and there :)
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<Jenna>
hmm. then u dont want to hear me wining
04:28
<dan__t>
Uh, actually, I do. It helps me, as well ;)
04:30
<Jenna>
dan__t, http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/linux_terminal_server
04:30
should get u going
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<dan__t>
I'm already "started", I just need to be "experienced".
04:36
<Jenna>
hmm good idea
04:36
what ur favorite distro ?
04:36
<dan__t>
I'll take CentOS for a server, FC over a desktop.
04:40
<Jenna>
yup wise choice
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<dan__t>
Ah well, gonna get a nap before work. Good luck, Jenna.
04:50
<Jenna>
sweet dreams
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<erdinc>
hi everyone
05:35
<Jenna>
hey erdinc
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<vanya>
need someone to help me with local devices..
06:55
the problem is I'm running x86-64 ltsp server
06:55
and x86 clients
06:55
ltspfs on server wants libfuse
06:55
there is libfuse, but it is 64 bit lib
06:55
and not 32
06:56
any hints on this?
06:56
I'm using Gentoo and ltsp-4.2
06:58
zelena ~ # ltspfs
06:58
ltspfs: error while loading shared libraries: libfuse.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
06:58
zelena ~ # locate libfuse
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/usr/lib64/libfuse.a
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/usr/lib64/libfuse.la
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/usr/lib64/libfuse.so
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/usr/lib64/libfuse.so.2
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/usr/lib64/libfuse.so.2.6.0
06:59
zelena ~ # ls /usr/lib -l
06:59
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2006-10-04 15:51 /usr/lib -> lib64
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<vanya>
anyone with local devices and x86-64 server?.
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<vanya>
solved
07:17
ABI="x86" nice emerge sys-fs/fuse -av
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<jammcq>
G'morning
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<cliebow_>
Mornings!
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<SiCk>
anyone, any idea why after doing the kiosk setup here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins , i'm not able to boot x on my client? i get an error that it's logged me out before 10 seconds etc...
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<uwe>
hello, anyone worked with LTS server clusters?
08:33
i wonder if OpenSSI or openMosix or LVS or Kerrighed or something else well be the most suited to do such a job!?
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<uwe>
the goal is not to create a cluster for high computational capable cluster, rather reduce the cost of server for larger groups of ltsp clients group who use regular office applications (FF, OOo ..etc)
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<uwe>
or, i may ask it in a diffrent way, is openMosix the way to go (should i proceed?) : ]
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<mjk>
Hi! Can I use LTSP to PXE-netboot a machine, and run resize2fs on its LVM'ed root partition?
09:16
<sbalneav>
You could, I suppose
09:16
<mjk>
sbalneav: Yippiiiieh!
09:17
<sbalneav>
But why would you want to?
09:17
<mjk>
sbalneav: Because the installed system cannot resize the root partition while mounted, and it doesn't have any other removable media except for its hard disk.
09:18
<sbalneav>
Well, rather than spend hours trying to get resize2fs installed into ltsp (it doesn't come with it, and I'm not sure if we have lvm support in the kernel), it seems to me that sticking a cdrom in the machine would be a 5 minute operation.
09:18
<Megant_>
mjk: No usb-support?
09:18
uh
09:19
<mjk>
Megant_: No, no USB onboard (or at least not "outside")
09:19
sbalneav: Currently, this would take a lot more than 5 minutes, as I cannot move my body as I want to.
09:20
<Megant_>
you don't need whole ltsp system for that operation, only pxe-boot, and mounting root partition over nfs
09:20
<mjk>
sbalneav: So I'm restricted to software solutions.
09:20
<sbalneav>
Then pay someone to help you.
09:20
Or, ask a friend to do it. :)
09:20
<mjk>
sbalneav: No money, no (nearby-living) friends. :-}
09:20
sbalneav: Life is hard, but cruel. %-)
09:21
Megant_: Hmmmmmmmm ...
09:21
<sbalneav>
Well, I have no idea how you'd go about modifying LTSP to do what you want, so life's about to get crueller :)
09:21
<Megant_>
i guess
09:22
<sbalneav>
But, the source is there, so hack away :)
09:22
<mjk>
Megant_: You're right actually ... Alas, the machine is much older than my current machine, so I cannot just take my big machine's (400 MHz PII :-) root.
09:22
<moquist>
ogra: I upgraded our smbldap server (gbecs6) from dapper to edgy, and today the thin clients have stopped working. Our edubuntu servers are gbecs2 and gbecs4.
09:22
It looks like an NFS problem.
09:22
The TCs boot and all, but logins fail.
09:22
<mjk>
sbalneav: :-) Well, if LTSP doesn't contain LVM2 support anyway, then it's too much effort as opposed to find some appropriate root for NFS-root.
09:22
<ogra>
did you check the ssh keys ?
09:23
<moquist>
And the failure looks due to some things (I haven't found the pattern yet) being not readable/writeable by the owning user. (for example, the stuff *under* ~/.gconf)
09:23
<ogra>
argh
09:23
<moquist>
ogra: I think those look fine.
09:23
<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/bugs/62308 ....
09:23
that was supposed to be solved in 2.6.20
09:23
<mjk>
Megant_: I'm gonna check how to get an appropriate root for that machine.
09:24
<Megant_>
mjk: you could use gentoo's stage package for example, i guess
09:24
<ogra>
moquist, err ... hmmm, you run 2.6.17 on edgy i guess ...
09:24
<moquist>
ogra: If I reboot to the previous kernel, will that take care of it?
09:24
<ogra>
try it
09:24
mjk, with ltsp5 that should be trivial ...
09:24
<mjk>
Megant_: I tried Debian's netboot.tar.gz (8 MB), which is perfectly for netbooting Debian, but modifying its initrd.gz didn't work at all.
09:25
ogra: Really?
09:25
<ogra>
sure
09:25
<mjk>
ogra: *drool*
09:25
ogra: Checking web site ...
09:25
<ogra>
it just bootstraps a normal minimal ubuntu/debian system
09:25
in ubuntu you surely can do lvm2 as well as FS resizing, since you can just install any tool you need in the chroot
09:26
<mjk>
ogra: Cool, then I just need to mount -t nfs bigmachine:/ /mnt and off we go!
09:26
<ogra>
not sure about debian and lvm2 but i suspect it wont be much different
09:26
mjk, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
09:26
(works the same in debian)
09:27
<mjk>
ogra: And LTSP-4.2 is inapplicable for my problem?
09:27
ogra: Because there are already ltsp-utils 0.25 in Debian testing. :-)
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<SiCk>
ooh its ogra >=D
09:30
<mjk>
ogra: I'll just play around with the ltsp-server packages Debian testing offers, and if this doesn't work, I'll try Ltsp-5 (where I can get that from)
09:30
<ogra>
mjk, that *is* ltsp5
09:31
<moquist>
ogra: that was it.
09:31
<mjk>
ogra: What, really? Hmm ... I cannot tell from the version number ... ltsp-server-0.99debian9
09:31
<ogra>
ltsp-server and -standalone from ubuntu (and debian) are ltsp5
09:31
right
09:31
<mjk>
ogra: Cool!
09:31
<ogra>
i'll bump it to 5.0 in the next ubuntu release
09:31
and i think debian will do the same after their etch release ...
09:32
<mjk>
ogra: Great to hear! Okay, let's aptitude install :-)
09:33
<ogra>
did you get the link i snet before my network broke ?
09:33
*sent
09:33
<mjk>
ogra: According to the Ubuntu URL you gave me, this seems fairly easy -- a lot easier than tweaking netboot.tar.gz. :-)
09:33
<ogra>
ah, good
09:33
<mjk>
ogra: =)
09:33
<ogra>
right ...
09:33
<SiCk>
ogra, mind if i pester you ... again .. after you're done with mjk
09:33
?
09:33
<ogra>
if ltsp-build-client is done you can just chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386 and do everything you like to the client chroot
09:34
<Megant_>
I guess that you should add user then :)
09:34
<ogra>
SiCk, only for some minutes ... i have to get some work finished until i leave here tomorrow, and i'm horribly behind due to my broken network card
09:34
Megant_, at least unlock the locked root account by setting a password ;)
09:34
<SiCk>
ahh, okay.. no probs.. it's silly x problems now just i think... after this we should be on the straight and narrow!
09:35
<Megant_>
ogra: Yeah. :)
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<Blinny>
Hi - On my booted clients, when I type 'hostname' I get back '(none)'. This (none) is in the client's 3-line /etc/hosts -- 'server' is also in this /etc/hosts though I'm not sure where this comes from.. Anyway, I went to DNS-based name resolution (including reverse) because I'm serving two subnets on two NICs. I'm sure I did something incorrectly in the changeover -- where should I start looking?
09:44
<ogra>
moquist, there is a repository called edgy-proposed where a new kernel image for testing is in ... its supposed to solve that nfs bug
09:45
if you dont mind to test that ....
09:45
.... we could move it over to edgy-updates
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<moquist>
ogra: I'm not going to touch these systems with a 100-km pole today. I'm at home and I've been debugging this over the phone with my colleague for 1.5 hours. 8-\
09:47
:)
09:47
ogra: But I can try it tomorrow...after everybody goes home for the weekend.
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<pscheie>
is anyone using wake on lan with desktop machines as clients? successfully?
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<efra>
Morning everybody
10:00
<mjk>
Mornin
10:02
<Blinny>
If I do a 'nslookup clientName' or 'nslookup clientIP' from shell on my thin client, I get the correct response from the nameserver for every name/IP except the clientIP from which I'm requesting. For a lookup of the IP of the client I'm on, I get only "(none)" for the Name back from the nameserver.
10:03
All other lookups work well (google.com for example)
10:03
How is /etc/hosts built for a booting thin-client?
10:10
Looks like rc.sysinit
10:15
<mjk>
Hm, would the LTSP root fit better to /opt or to /srv in Debian? I remember faintly that /srv was meant for contents FTP servers offer etc., so LTSP seems to fit to /srv better.
10:15
<Blinny>
Hrm. I put a read in there and sure 'nuff, I see "Current hostname: (none)". What would cause the hostname/busybox command to not work from thin clients for its own name?
10:20
<Megant_>
mjk: it is /opt/ltsp/i386 by default
10:21
<mjk>
Megant_: I know, but wouldn't /srv be better? AFAIR, /opt is for /programs/, while /srv is for /data/ served by e.g. FTP servers.
10:22
<Blinny>
Gotta be the /etc/hosts file
10:25
<ogra>
mjk, ltsp5 breaks with a lot of documentation already ... so we decided t keep /opt for now for historical reasons ... it might change one day ...
10:25
<Megant_>
mjk: I think so too about /opt, http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/ref-guide/s1-filesystem-fhs.html
10:25
<ogra>
but for now it makes the switch easier
10:25
<Blinny>
Okay now it gets really weird. The client is DHCPACK'd 192.168.1.251. The xdm welcome message says "Welcome to ws1-252". All the dmesg entries in /var/log/messages on the server show 'ws1-251.ltsp'
10:25
<mjk>
ogra: Well, then I'll keep /opt to honor history. :-)
10:27
<ogra>
i agree that /srv might be a better place but first we need to have the docs up to date for 5.0 and make sure all features of the old implementation went into the new one as well
10:33
<cliebow_>
ogra: i believe i have g4 booting to i386 server
10:33
<ogra>
cliebow_, great ...
10:33
<cliebow_>
W))T!!!
10:33
W00T!!
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<cliebow_>
hmmm
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<Blinny>
If I create a fixed-address entry in dhcpd.conf then the client gets its hostname just fine.. it's the ones in the dynamic-range that don't know their own hostname.
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<Blinny>
(though still localdev isn't working)
10:39
<mathesis>
efra: tengo un problemita con un cliente
10:40
inica bien el cliente pero el teclado me repite hasta 4 veces cada caracter por pulsacion
10:41
<efra>
mathesis: habra que checar en la documentacion de ltsp la opcion correspondiente para cambiar eso
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<mjk>
What am I supposed to supply for the option "--dist" in "ltsp-build-client"? The usual sarge/etch/stable/testing?
11:06
<ogra>
i'd just use it without options ... it will default to the right settings
11:06
in ubuntu you can use dapper/edgy/feisty ... so i'd suspect in debian sarge/etch shoudl work as well
11:07
<mathesis>
--dist-build-clietn unstable/stable/testing
11:07
<mjk>
ogra: Okay, will try that. Can't break anything anyway
11:08
mathesis: Hm, ltsp-build-client doesn't seem to have such an option, at least not the version in Debian testing (0.99debian9).
11:08
mathesis: But I guess it's the same for "--dist".
11:08
<ogra>
such an option never existed
11:08
<mjk>
ogra: Phew! :-)
11:09
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client --extra-help will show you all available options (depending on the plugins your distr has)
11:09
*distro
11:09
<mjk>
ogra: Yep, and it shows only --dist, so I'll take that one.
11:10
<ogra>
but as i said, we usually try to make ltsp-build-client work out of the box without options
11:10
it should default to the server dist you currently use
11:11
<mjk>
ogra: Okay, then I'll only supply the kernel package it should use, as the client's CPU is an AMD K2, which needs a -386 kernel (a pity there doesn't seem to be a 586 kernel)
11:11
<mathesis>
only one dist
11:11
<ogra>
mjk, is the server non x86 ?
11:11
<mjk>
How much disk space will a run of "ltsp-build-client" use /roughly/ (on Debian testing)?
11:12
ogra: The server is a PII and can use a kernel 686, but the client's CPU doesn't work with the 686 kernel.
11:12
<ogra>
it should default to the 386 kernel ... unless debian hacked my kernel code
11:12
<mjk>
ogra: I always thought the K2 would be PPro compatible, but I couldn't boot a 686 kernel back then.
11:12
ogra: Oh? Oh. :-)
11:13
<ogra>
a usual client chroot should be between 300 and 500M
11:13
<mjk>
ogra: *gulp*
11:13
ogra: Damn, I only have 400 MB free ... hopefully, this will suffice.
11:13
<ogra>
depends ... it will clean up the apt cache at the end of the build ...
11:13
<mjk>
ogra: At the end, it's too late. ;-)
11:14
<ogra>
but during build it indeed needs all packages in /var/cache/apt/archives in the chroot
11:14
the resulting chroot will be rather 200-300M
11:14
<mjk>
ogra: Hmyeah, thought so ... let's see if I can make more space available ...
11:14
<cliebow_>
ogra: i seem stuck at initramfs prompt..cant access tty job control turned off
11:15
<ogra>
cliebow_, nfs mount error ... scroll up ...
11:15
must be there anywhere ...
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<mjk>
ogra: Hm, obviously, I should have supplied a mirror URL, as I'm in Germany, and ltsp-build-client uses a dead-slow US mirror.
11:22
<ogra>
jupp, das hilft ;)
11:22
<mjk>
ogra: :-)
11:23
ogra: Immer erst diese vollmundigen Versprechungen "it will default to the right settings". ;-)
11:23
<ogra>
well :)
11:23
<mjk>
;-)
11:24
<ogra>
die naechste version wird mehr locale love kriegen, dann sollte der landesmirror gewaehlt werden ...
11:24
<mjk>
Locale love sounds good. :-)
11:24
<ogra>
but lets keep it english so everyone can understand what we type :)
11:25
and i have to go now ... we have an appointment for dinner over here it seems ...
11:25
<mjk>
Love me locale, love me truuuue ... *sing*
11:25
ogra: A guatn! =)
11:25
<ogra>
danke ;)
11:28
<g333k_work>
hi, why there is a delay when my clients are loading the X windows? I see a X in the middle of the screen for about 15seconds, afterwards the X load normallly
11:32
<cliebow_>
hmmm..showmount -e shows /opt/ltsp/powerpc.../etc/exports checks out...nfs is listening..i see mount request from apple via wireshark..then a Err_access for nfs..portmap is running..
11:32
<sbalneav>
That's the ldm loading
11:33
it takes a bit
11:33
<cliebow_>
ogra:what else would hang nfs?
11:41
ive just booted to the old ppc chroot before trying the new..suppose nfs is confused?should i toss /var/lib/nfx?
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<r3zon8>
anyone successfuly add a 1440x900 widescreen lcd?
11:43
<jammcq>
r3zon8: I've got 1920x1200, is that wide enough for ya ?
11:45
<cliebow_>
jammcq:feel like working an nfs issue?ltsp5 from i386 to powerpc?
11:45
<jammcq>
heh
11:45
dunno how much help I can be
11:45
what's the problem?
11:45
<r3zon8>
mind if i borrow your modeline
11:46
<cliebow_>
jammcq: i booted with billcs ppc chroot fine..switching to ltsp5 nfs hangs
11:46
<jammcq>
X_MODE_0 = 1920x1200 193.16 1920 2048 2256 2592 1200 1201 1204 1242
11:46
X_HORZSYNC = "31-94"
11:46
X_VERTREFRESH = "50-85"
11:46
r3zon8: that's what I've got
11:46
<cliebow_>
name rsolution seems fine
11:46
<jammcq>
X4_MODULE_01 = glx
11:46
<cliebow_>
portmap running
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<cliebow_>
nfs listening
11:46
showmount good
11:46
<r3zon8>
i built a modeline from here, http://koala.ilog.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines/list-all
11:46
but nothin happens when i use it
11:46
<jammcq>
cliebow_: well, tcpdump is your friend
11:46
<cliebow_>
washed /var/lib/nfs and let it rebuid
11:46
i wiresharked..
11:47
<jammcq>
r3zon8: ummm. what version of LTSP are you using?
11:47
<r3zon8>
4.2
11:47
<jammcq>
r3zon8: have you tried setting SCREEN_01 = shell
11:47
<cliebow_>
shows nfs request for 192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/powerpc which exists
11:47
<jammcq>
to see if options are working at all?
11:47
<r3zon8>
yes
11:47
that works
11:48
<cliebow_>
mount reply fromserver is ERR_ACCESS
11:48
<r3zon8>
u helped me with the 1280 modeline last time :), i just got a bigger monitor now
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<r3zon8>
those vert and horz specs, i should get from lcd specs, or video card specs
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<cliebow_>
ogra:ping
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12:27
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
jammcq: r u tehre?
12:27
*there
12:27
<jammcq>
hey
12:27
<Blinny_>
I think I have a problem w/ my /etc/hosts file - Booting clients don't know their own hostname
12:28
<jammcq>
Blinny_: that's not your hosts file. that's a dhcpd.conf file problem
12:28
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
jammcq: about the #ltsp-br....
12:29
is it registered?
12:29
<jammcq>
yeah?
12:29
not that I know of
12:29
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
ok. i'll be there too ;)
12:29
<Blinny_>
jammcq: Another? (; This only occurs when a client gets an IP from the dynamic range, not from a fixed-address entry
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<jammcq>
Blinny_: ahh, ok, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Automatically_assigning_hostname
12:30
Blinny_: read that wiki page
12:30
<Blinny_>
jammcq: Will do. Thanks.
12:31
<dan__t>
'morning.
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12:39
<Blinny_>
jammcq: Okay thanks. I'd been using the search field on the wiki and not getting what I needed. Now I see where to navigate to the proper tree from now on.
12:39
I'm not a smart man (;
12:39
<jammcq>
yeah, that 'Search' isn't very good
12:44
<Blinny_>
The steps for troubleshooting local devices are very handy and well-presented.
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12:56
<MZXGiant>
Hey guys, quick question... I'm getting an "Unsupported Protocol" error when mounting my NFS partition on client boot
12:56
any idea how to fix that? :P
12:56
<jammcq>
MZXGiant: what version of LTSP ?
12:56
<MZXGiant>
4.2 ... newest one in portage tree
12:57
<jammcq>
ah, gentoo
12:57
<MZXGiant>
Known problem?
12:57
:\
12:57
<jammcq>
the LTSP packages in Gentoo aren't "official" packages
12:57
although they should work
12:57
but with gentoo, you have so many options
12:57
<MZXGiant>
yeah
12:57
well I googled for this error first
12:57
<jammcq>
could be you have ipv6 selected, or a specific version of NFS or who knows
12:58
<MZXGiant>
apparently it's rectified by adding udp,v2 to the mount parameters
12:58
<jammcq>
LTSP generally works great with NFS V3
12:58
<MZXGiant>
okay
12:58
<jammcq>
and it should work with tcp, but udp is the default for nfs
12:59
<MZXGiant>
Whoa, NFS is old in portage
12:59
1.0.10
12:59
<jammcq>
that might be the "package version", but I can assure you it's NOT the protocol version
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<MZXGiant>
whew.
13:00
alright
13:00
Hmm
13:01
Is there a way to slap tags onto the mount command without having to recompile LTSP components?
13:01
<jammcq>
yes
13:01
<MZXGiant>
How?
13:02
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, but the ldm loading takes less in my another server
13:02
<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding
13:02
MZXGiant: that wiki page shows how to pass options
13:03
you'd need to set the 'MOPTS=xxxxxx' parameter for 'Mount Options'
13:04
<MZXGiant>
Aha
13:04
thanks, let's see if that works :)
13:08
jammcq; Could this be a problem:
13:08
squaretable pxelinux.cfg # rpcinfo -u 128.151.220.14 nfs
13:08
program 100003 version 2 ready and waiting
13:09
<jammcq>
should be ok, but mostly, we use version 3
13:09
<MZXGiant>
hm
13:10
<Blinny_>
Is there a sanctioned way to get Win32 codecs for an x86_64 server to serve to i386 clients?
13:11
ATrpms scares me.
13:20
<MZXGiant>
So I realized that I'm an idiot and didn't enable NFSv3 in the kernel, gonna try that now
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<MZXGiant>
Huh.
13:22
Mounts fine in console.
13:23
I wonder if the v3 option did the trick. worth a shot anyways.
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<MZXGiant>
yeah that did it, now we've got more problems though
13:24
whee
13:24
<Psych0>
hi there..
13:24
<MZXGiant>
lol there's a thread about Gentoo LTSP 4.2 and my bug. yessss. :P
13:26
<Psych0>
i created a script for backup purposes... what I want to do is that this script displays a message on every LTSP Client screen ... something like xmessage, but, how can I do that?!
13:30
<MZXGiant>
jammcq; Now I'm getting "parse error in /etc/lts.conf, line=1" once, then "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode" once, then the problem with lts.conf:1 twice moe
13:30
*more
13:30
<dan__t>
Is there a preferred method to disabling a screensaver that you guys would use?
13:31
<sbalneav>
dan__t: Under what desktop?
13:31
<dan__t>
Gnome.
13:31
I know how to do it, just wondering if there was an LTSP-specific way.
13:32
<sbalneav>
gconftool-2 --direct \
13:32
--config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory \
13:32
--type string \
13:32
--set /apps/gnome-screensaver/mode blank-only
13:32
That's how I do it.
13:33
<dan__t>
Interesting.
13:33
Thank you.
13:36
<pscheie>
anyone successfully using mplayer to play quicktime on TCs?
13:36
I can get video, but I'm not getting any sound
13:37
sound is working otherwise
13:46
<jammcq>
MZXGiant: what did you change in lts.conf ?
14:04
<Blinny_>
Thanks again jammcq.
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<MZXGiant>
jammcq; I enabled v3 in kernel
14:05
and added nfsvers=3
14:05
<jammcq>
MZXGiant: but what did you change in lts.conf?
14:05
<MZXGiant>
the nfsvers=3 to MOPTS
14:05
<jammcq>
that doesn't go in lts.conf
14:05
<MZXGiant>
err
14:05
<jammcq>
that goes in dhcpd.conf
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<jammcq>
and you don't need to specify version 3 for the client
14:06
the client is already gonna try version 3
14:06
<MZXGiant>
then nothing! ^_^
14:06
lol
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<Joffrey>
hello i have managed to install LTSP on ubuntu and edubuntu on wich distributions is it also handy to do
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<Joffrey>
hello i have managed to install LTSP on ubuntu and edubuntu on wich distributions is it also handy to do
14:19
<MZXGiant>
There's no better way to instigate panic than to tell people that if they "end up in linux" to give me a call
14:19
:P
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<Joffrey>
hello i have managed to install LTSP on ubuntu and edubuntu on wich distributions is it also handy to do
14:26
<Blinny>
Oh, my.
14:27
Joffrey: I do not understand your question.
14:29
<Joffrey>
i have to do a task for school about LTSP i allready did it with ubuntu and edubuntu and now i want to try another one
14:31
<Blinny>
Joffrey: Ah. Try 'Fedora'
14:32
<Joffrey>
easy to use ?
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<Blinny>
Joffrey: Yes, it i similar to Ubuntu.
14:37
<Joffrey>
thkx
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<mjk>
Okay, I installed LTSP on my Debian box, ran ltsp-build-client, everything seems to be correct. The LTSP client boots the kernel, various scripts are run -- until after the line "IP-Config: eth0 hardware address xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx mtu 1500 DHCP". Here it hangs forever (see http://channels.debian.net/paste/5180 - at the end I hit Alt-SysRq-k). Any hints?
15:15
Alas, "IP-config" isn't mentioned in the TroubleShooting wiki page.
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<dan__t>
hrm...
17:06
How do you guys usually go about opening apps on client X displays?
17:07
With a single user I could just export DISPLAY=:0 and run whichever X app I wanted. I guess I'd need a list of displays on a per-user basis huh?
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<mjk>
I'm at the end of my wits. Please, how the *FSCK* can I modify LTSP-5's initrd? If I only gunzip and then gzip it again, it still works, but if I additionally extract it and thereafter immediately archive it again (both using cpio), then the initrd is unusable! Details: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5181
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<mjk>
I seem to have done everything perfectly right (cpio -imud for extracting, cpio -o -H newc for archiving), the files have the same format (file: ASCII cpio archive SVR4 with no CRC) and the same size (but diff says the differ), but still it doesn't work! Help!
17:35* mjk is so fucking desperate, because he tried for HOURS to find out what's wrong ... and every time he wants to test an initrd, he has to plug the network cable in a different jack, and he cannot use IRC or the Web, as the LTSP client is his normal Internet gateway.
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<dan__t>
vmware > *
17:40
What if you mount it as loop, copy it, modify it, and gzip it back up
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<dan__t>
Damnit.
17:46
<cliebow_>
gents: with the old bill_c kernel nfs works just fine..with the new ltsp5 kernel no nfs mount
17:46
<dan__t>
My NFS server is dumb.
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<cliebow_>
this in ppc
17:47
<dan__t>
When clients reboot, I get an error akin to "server not responding, still trying" when the client comes back up.
17:47
The server is up, and everything still appears to be fine.
17:47
<cliebow_>
dan_t:this on i386 with 4.2?
17:49
<dan__t>
Yessir.
17:49
KNown issues?
17:50
<cliebow_>
and redhatty server?
17:50
<dan__t>
FC6, yup.
17:50
You're going to tell me bad things, aren't you.
17:50
<cliebow_>
no
17:50
<dan__t>
heh
17:51
<cliebow_>
mine is rhel4..the high school one
17:51
<dan__t>
Same thing?
17:51
<cliebow_>
mine is rhel4..the high school one
17:51
i think rhel4 id fc3
17:52
<dan__t>
Er, I mean, same thing being, "same problem"?
17:52
<cliebow_>
or vica versa..i dont know
17:52
<dan__t>
I think it's gotta be the NFS server with some sort of stale mount. I only discovered this by chance when I saw user applications still running on the server even after the client machine is taken down or rebooted.
17:52
<cliebow_>
on reboot your clients get to pivot root..or switchroot
17:52
<dan__t>
switchroot, yes.
17:53
<cliebow_>
dan__t: you can try it by moving /var/lib/nfs to /var/lib/nfs.old..creating a new empty directory /var/lib/nfs with the same perms..and restartinf nfs .and portmap
17:54
prob
17:54
ably
17:57
<dan__t>
erm
17:58
0hm.
17:58
<cliebow_>
ommmm
17:58
may the force be with you
17:58
om myoho renge kyo
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:pingo
18:02
<jammcq>
ho ho ho
18:02
<dan__t>
wordup, jammcq.
18:02
<cliebow_>
heehee
18:03
i got two ppc kernel..boos grand..boot the newltsp5..no nfsmountt the old bill;c kernel work
18:03
god
18:03
<jammcq>
i'm not quite sure what you just said
18:03
<cliebow_>
let me start again..gd laptop
18:04
i have 2 ppc kernels..the old billc kernel boots grand..the ltsp5 ubuntu dies trying to nfs mount
18:04
so nfs seems ok
18:04
with old kernel
18:04
<dan__t>
haha.
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<dan__t>
Ok, clients are definitely not reading lts.conf for screen resolution specifications.
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<cliebow_>
pastebot your lts.conf..You are editting with vim or something i trust
18:33
<dan__t>
Any way to have LTSP auto probe modelines prior to X starting?
18:33
<cliebow_>
it does already..
18:34
but it doesnt always guess right
18:34
<dan__t>
Yes, looks like it may be off by just a bit.
18:34
No worries, I'll find somethin'
18:35
hsync is off.
18:35
<cliebow_>
danh__t:: you can always specify by mac address in lts.conf if your name resolution is challengeds
18:35
<dan__t>
That's what I'm attempting to do. Even then, I'm told that the hsync is off, it appears.
18:37
<cliebow_>
must defer to jammcq at this point..
18:38
way back when i used to specify an entire xf86cnfig for some clients..not sure of syntax at this point
18:38
<dan__t>
No need.
18:38
I see that the s3virge module doesn't support anything past 1024x768
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<cliebow_>
id be ticlked to death to have any monitr that would do better than 800x600\
18:43
<dan__t>
haha
18:45
What kind of organization are you with again?
18:45
I do remember you telling me, but I forget.
18:45
<jammcq>
he's part of the league of extraordinary gentlemen with small monitors
18:46
<dan__t>
Sounds about right.
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:you dare impugn me?
18:51
dan__T:ellsworth schools system..
18:52
<dan__t>
Where's that located?
18:52
<cliebow_>
we had a pile of 12" monitors donated by Maine Savings Bank..so we're "not buying any
18:52
we had a pile of 12" monitors donated by Maine Savings Bank..so we're "not buying any"
18:52
<dan__t>
Ahh, Maine.
18:52
<cliebow_>
yowza
18:54
extraorinary gentlemen with small monitors...not sure how to take that 8~)
18:54
<dan__t>
haha
18:55
Well, you're still extraordinary, regardless of the size of your monitor.
18:55
<jammcq>
i've been told size doesn't matter
18:59
<cliebow_>
quality quality
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