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Channel log from 30 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<lbs>
hi
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<lbs>
whether the ltsp thin-client user the same as the ltsp-server's user?
06:55
<ogra>
there re no users on the thin clients
06:55
*are
06:56
all sessions run on the server using server users usually
06:56
<nubae>
thats a weird comment :-)
06:56
<lbs>
Oh,I see.
06:56
<ogra>
nubae, but a true one :)
06:57
at least for ubuntu and debian :) i thik fedora doesnt lock root ... so you might have a root user there
06:57
<nubae>
good way to confuse the new ltsp user ;-)
06:57
<lbs>
How can I start service daemon under thin-client
06:58
<nubae>
services run on the server
06:58
<ogra>
what exactly do you want to achieve ?
06:58
<lbs>
I want to install iTALC
06:59
<nubae>
apt-get install italc-master
06:59
<lbs>
I install the iTALC on the server.
07:00
<nubae>
like ogras comment above, there are no apps on the client :-)
07:00
<lbs>
but how can the thin-client to install the iTALC?
07:01
But if I want to start the service daemon when the thin-client user logon,what can I do?
07:02
I want to use Italc to manage the thin client.
07:02
<ogra>
nubae, i didnt say that :)
07:02
<lbs>
I chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386.
07:03
<nubae>
lbs: uneeded, read above
07:03
ogra: but an equally obscure comment thats true :-p
07:04
<rjune_>
ogra: correct, fedora has a root user
07:04
<nubae>
all distros have a root user
07:05
<rjune_>
nubae: but ubuntu locks it.
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<nubae>
yeah silliness if u ask me
07:07
what exactly is the purpose of locking the root user?
07:07
<ogra>
security
07:07
<lbs>
ogra:I was confused about the /opt/ltsp/i386,what's the function?
07:08
<ogra>
lbs, depends on the distro you use
07:08
<lbs>
oh,I use ubuntu 8.10
07:08
<ogra>
in ubuntu its the source tree from which the thin client image is built with ltsp-update-image
07:08
other distros use it directly via nfs as the client root
07:09
<lbs>
does the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local the same as /etc/rc.local?
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<nubae>
not really
07:10
<lbs>
If I want to run daemon when the thin-client user logon,can I use the /etc/rc.local ?
07:10
<nubae>
ogra: security for what exactly, for me its just a hinderance, unlocking is not exactly rocket science
07:11
<ogra>
lbs, yes, but for italc you shouldnt need that
07:12
nubae, its just to not shoot yourself in the foot if you fiddle with your chroot ...
07:12
<lbs>
Really?How can I make the thin-client run Italc and let the master to manage it?
07:12
<nubae>
just install it, everything will just work
07:13
<lbs>
I just installed it,but It doesnt work.the italc version is 1.0.9
07:14
I can run iTALC ON THE SERVER, But I cannot connect to thin-client.
07:14
<nubae>
right, that requires something else
07:15
connect by putting in 10000 as connection with the last 3 numbers being the ip
07:15
so 192.168.0.5 = 10005
07:15
localhost:10005
07:16
<lbs>
You mean iTALC 1.0.9 CAN do it.
07:16
<nubae>
yes, absolutely
07:16
<lbs>
oh,Than you.
07:17
I 'll read the script of ica-launcher.
07:20
nubae:iTALC to connect to iTALC client using IVSPORT OR ISDPORT?
07:20
<nubae>
what?
07:21
<lbs>
Just now ,I read the /usr/bin/ica-launcher script.
07:21
I saw the ivsport and isdport.
07:21
<nubae>
i have no idea what isd or ivs port is
07:22
what happens when u try to run italc?
07:22
it should just work
07:22
<lbs>
when my ubuntu start.I run my iTALC master interface.
07:23
it's ok.then I boot my thin-client.
07:23
and in the iTALC Master interface.I add the thin-client.
07:23
using localhost:11168.
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<nubae>
add thinclient as localhost:10000 ?
07:24
no....
07:24
10168
07:24
not 11
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<lbs>
Ok,I'LL TRY IT.
07:24
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
07:24* ogra shades his ears :)
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<nubae>
lol
07:25
<lbs>
AND I have to offline for a while.
07:25
see you late.
07:25
see you later.
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<nubae>
ogra: did u hear anything back from oem team about certification?
07:26
<ogra>
nope
07:27
i would have pinged you ...
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<nubae>
yeah, just thought Id throw it out there, have hordes of laptops laying around here, but would really like to do something official
07:28
people seem to want that kind of thing... u know... certified to do whatever...
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<lbs>
nubase:I just did a experiment.and it'ok,thank you again.
08:18
ogra:thank you for your help.
08:18
see you.
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<warren>
pscheie: severe insomnia, I will have to talk with you later re: making live images
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<lxj>
nubae:are you online.
09:23
<warren>
pscheie: not like anybody else shows up for the meetings
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09:25
<lxj>
who knows iTALC?
09:26
Can one italc client be managed by two iTALC master?
09:26
one client only hold on teacher's public key file.
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<Comet>
man this frets on fire game is like hard or something.
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<lxj>
ogra:are you online?
09:36
<petre>
morning all
09:40
<lxj>
hi
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<petre>
warren, I tested printing via jetpipe and it worked fine
09:49
once I got pyserial installed
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and hpijs
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<Q-FUNK>
hm
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<nubae>
lxj I am now
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<warren>
petre: meaning jetpipe is missing requires?
12:47
<petre>
warren, yes
12:47
warren, that aside, it worked fine, both parallel & usb
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<warren>
petre: how much bigger will that make the live image?
12:57
petre: do you think we should just add the Requires, or split jetpipe into its own sub-package?
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<petre>
warren, sorry, I'm tending to a sick kid, so I keep popping in & out
13:31
pyserial is 237368 bytes
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so, I think including it won't make a big difference
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<warren>
hpijs and pyserial
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<petre>
warren, the other thing I had to add was hpijs which is 2.3MB
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<warren>
i'll just add them...
13:32
<petre>
sounds good, makes it more complete
13:32
<warren>
oh wait
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hpijs and pyserial need to be added to the client chroot?
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<petre>
pyserial does
13:33
but not hpijs
13:33
hpijs is printer driver stuff (I think)
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<warren>
hpijs goes on the server side?
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<petre>
right
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<warren>
ok, that'll be in the next build
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I have to go to the laundromat now
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bbl
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<philipp_>
hi
17:13
can anybody here tell me whether it is possible (without too much effort) to configure ltsp to use the original server os and desktop on the thin client?
17:14
this would be comparable to a remote desktop via xdmcp but with sound etc.
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I have to go now but I would appreciate a yes/no answer. I will look at the logs. Thank you and good night.
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<vagrantc>
that's the normal LTSP setup
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<philipp_>
no in ubuntu its a chroot
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<vagrantc>
but you log into the server and run the server's applications
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<philipp_>
there is this directory /opt/ltsp/i386 which is a root directory for the os used on the client?
17:16
hm
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<vagrantc>
yes, but that's just enough to get it to log into the server and run the applications on the server.
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<philipp_>
i don't have access to the accounts and home directories of the server when accessing by a client
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<vagrantc>
how do you mean?
17:17
the thin-client itself doesn't have access to them, no. but all the thin-client does is log you into the server.
17:18
you don't have accounts on the thin client, you don't log into the thin-client. everything save for the mouse, keyboard and monitor is happening on the server.
17:18
<philipp_>
i would like to use the existing server user accounts on the client
17:18
and this doesn't seem to be possible
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<vagrantc>
i don't understand what you want. everything you're saying sounds like the default behavior.
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<philipp_>
i tried to login on the client with a username which exists on the server and it didn't work
17:20
should it work?
17:20
<vagrantc>
yes.
17:20
<philipp_>
ok
17:20
thank you
17:20
i will have to look into it again
17:20
good night then
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<lbs>
hi
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<lbs>
Does anybody use classroom management tool iTALC?
18:29
I'd like to know which soft should be install under the chroot enviroment?
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<johnny>
you sure there isn't a howto on the ubuntu wiki?
18:47
there might be?
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<lbs_>
johnny:I read the wiki,but some is too old.
18:55
the wiki doesnt say how to install soft under ltsp-thin-client.and my applications just installed in the server.
18:56
when the user logon from the thin-client ,they can use the applications which installed in the server.
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<johnny>
that is normal
19:00
so.. you can not find on ubuntu wiki any information for italc?
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<lbs_>
johnny:I found some.
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I just want the iTALC client can be managed by two iTALC Master interface.
19:18
Now ,one iTALC Client can only be managed by one iTALC Master.
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<johnny>
lbs_, i have no idea if that is even possible
19:22
try back tomorrow..
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<lbs_>
johnny:thank you.
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<alfo>
hi im having trouble configuring kiwi anyone¿?
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<vagrantc>
!seen gadi
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 4 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Gadi> cheers
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<johnny>
hello vagrantc
20:21
we finally got lcd monitors for our clients
20:21
now we don't know what to do with our old monitors :(
20:22
baltimore has an electronics recycling program.. but i don't necessarily believe that they go to a nice place
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<henshan>
hello
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:-(
21:26
=-O
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<Shingoshi>
There is no system available for Slackware. How can I build LTSP5 in a package format for redistribution?
22:05
And, can LTSP boot AMD64 Opteron boxes?
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<Ryan52>
the second one is yes...
22:07
what's a "package format for redistribution"?
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<Shingoshi>
Not rpms, but tgz instead. So that they can be installed from a repository.
22:08
<Ryan52>
just get it from bzr.
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<Shingoshi>
Here is where I'm looking now. http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/IntegratingLtsp
22:08
I will try this and get back.
22:08
<Ryan52>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream
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<Shingoshi>
Is that the line I should use then?
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<johnny>
Shingoshi, you will have to create a bzr branch
22:13
and start work on the slackware plugins under server/ltsp-build-client/plugins
22:14
look to the debian/gentoo/fedora/ubuntu files for inspiration
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<Shingoshi>
Thanks guys.
22:14
<johnny>
i did gentoo with a mixture of what was in debian/ubuntu/fedora
22:14
the issue for you is not package formats quite yet
22:15
it is that ltsp-build-client cannot build a working slackware chroot to boot your clients off of
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<johnny>
that is the most important thing that needs to be done
22:15
after you get that worked out.. then you can package it up in a tarball
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<vagrantc>
well, package up the scripts into a tarball
22:16
<johnny>
atm.. there is zero/zilch/none slackware support
22:16
vagrantc, !
22:16
vagrantc, you turned me into more of a nerd
22:16
<vagrantc>
johnny: i don't see how i could have, seeing as you already preferred gentoo.
22:16
<johnny>
sure.. but now i'm a train nerd now
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<vagrantc>
ah.
22:17
<johnny>
err too*
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<johnny>
vagrantc, i switched my laptop to fedora tho btw
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: u rang?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: hey!
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<johnny>
first time i've used a redhat distro on the desktop since 2001
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: looks like cdfs is back in shape for lenny, so i'm interested in those patches again :)
22:18
<johnny>
well.. technically.. not just desktop
22:18
<Gadi>
ah
22:18
and here I thought I was in trouble
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:)
22:18
<johnny>
i've logged into some rhel/centos servers .. but i never chose it..
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<Gadi>
well, I have implemented ghotofs already - cdfs should be analogous
22:19
lemme have a look at the cdfs man page a sec...
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<johnny>
hmm.. what are you guys doing now..
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: though you have udev rules for recognizing PTP cameras ... not sure what you'd do to discover an audio CD
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<johnny>
hal..
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: indeed I do
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but I also modify the mount/unmount that ltspfs does
22:21
<johnny>
hmm.. are you guys making ltsp too complicated again?
22:21
<Gadi>
to allow for fusemounting
22:21
<vagrantc>
johnny: no, just adding support for USB cameras and audio CDs
22:21
well, pseudo-support for both, really.
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<Gadi>
hmm... why does cdfs depend on kernel-package and module-assistant?
22:21
that's ugly
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<vagrantc>
well, there's no pre-built modules
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<Gadi>
can you elaborate?
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<vagrantc>
you have to build the module yourself
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rather than apt-get installing them
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<Gadi>
por que?
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<johnny>
because there is no prebuild deb :)
22:23
<Gadi>
where is the OSS for the lazy bastard?
22:23
<vagrantc>
anyone wanting OSS is not a lazy bastard.
22:23
<Gadi>
oh, I beg to differ
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:)
22:24* vagrantc wonders why gadi switched the topic to sound systems
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<vagrantc>
:)
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<Gadi>
so, is this package gonna tell me what to do or what?
22:25
either its late or this is not the most user-friendly of things
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: you on debian or ubuntu?
22:25
<Gadi>
Ill give you 2 guesses
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:)
22:25
<johnny>
ubuntu.
22:25* vagrantc doesn't know if it works in ubuntu
22:26
<johnny>
unbutu
22:26
<Gadi>
hehe
22:26
johnny: stop. ur both right!
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: on Debian: m-a build ; dpkg -i /usr/src/$yourpackage.deb
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Gadi: oops....
22:26
or maybe: m-a install
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<Gadi>
dude
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already beyond the scope of this course
22:27
dropping cdfs support :P
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<johnny>
vagrantc, what about cd writing :)
22:27
hehe
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<Gadi>
moving on...
22:27
<vagrantc>
yes, move along.
22:27
nothing to see here.
22:27* vagrantc nudges johnny grumpily
22:28* Gadi hits johnny with a local app
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<Gadi>
:)
22:28
<johnny>
it ain't goin nowhere
22:28
<Gadi>
amazing how localapps makes everything possible
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<johnny>
btw.. i tried local apps on ubuntu.. it does work :)
22:28
<Gadi>
:)
22:28
who claimed otherwise?
22:29
<johnny>
just verifying :)
22:29
<Gadi>
hehe
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<vagrantc>
it's almost like LTSP developers know what they're doing or something
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<johnny>
i still need mor ram before i can use it
22:29* Gadi hands johnny an ill-tempered ewe
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<Gadi>
its close
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<johnny>
it's not as fast as i'd like it.. i need to see if it is network bound or not
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<vagrantc>
loading, or running?
22:29
<johnny>
vagrantc, my friends are starting a fund to get me out to portland again :)
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<Gadi>
well, while I have you guys here, stgraber and I have been working out a S* K* script dir for before and after screen-sessions
22:31
we find that there are certain things we need to set up in the environment at times pre-Xserver
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: wow. we're getting S & K crazy here.
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<Gadi>
well, we liked it so much the first two times :)
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<johnny>
i'm not used to this S & K stuff..
22:32
gentoo's init system is dependency based.. no S & K
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<Gadi>
like peeling an onion
22:32
or something
22:32
gentoo never ever used SyssV
22:32
?
22:32
*SysV
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<johnny>
i don't know about never
22:33
it does use /etc/inittab.. but it's not the same as yours
22:34
<Gadi>
"we dont have one since feisty" (in german accent)
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<vagrantc>
night all
22:34* Gadi is not sure if that is factually accurate
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<Gadi>
:)
22:34
night, vagrantc
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<johnny>
i have to run to the store, before it closes
22:34
bb in 15
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Hi, anyone have a Netvista 2200?
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