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Channel log from 5 April 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 11:12 | <Avinash> anybody there
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| 11:13 | <Avinash> hi
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| 14:42 | <vagrantc> otavio: available for sponsoring an upload of ltspfs to fix 454478 ?
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| 14:44 | <otavio> vagrantc: not right now but I can handle it later today/tomorrow
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| 14:44 | vagrantc: just mail it to me and I'll make it
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> otavio: thanks!
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| 14:45 | otavio: i'm hoping the ftpmasters won't reject it ... seems almost a frivalous binary package ...
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| 14:46 | <otavio> vagrantc: please explain
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| 14:46 | vagrantc: frivalous?
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| 14:47 | <vagrantc> otavio: not totally necessary ... it splits the ltspfsd package into two very small packages ... but allows one to be installed without all the udev hooks
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| 14:48 | <otavio> vagrantc: ah
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> otavio: but you and ogra seemed to be supportive of the split, and i've relucantly accepted it.
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| 14:50 | otavio: it's the last bug on ltspfs, and i wanted to try and get it fixed :)
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| 14:50 | <otavio> vagrantc: I don't recall what is it; but if you say so! heh
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| 14:51 | vagrantc: my mom is here; she is asking in which part of World you're now
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> otavio: i've been on the west coast of the US for a while now
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> otavio: see the both of you in spain, i hope? :)
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| 14:52 | <otavio> vagrantc: i guess so; if Debconf team handles the accessibility issues in time
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| 14:52 | * vagrantc hopes and hopes | |
| 14:52 | <otavio> vagrantc: any plans to come to brazil?
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| 14:53 | <jammcq> otavio: will you be at FISL-10 ?
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| 14:53 | <otavio> jammcq: yes; I will
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| 14:53 | jammcq: are you comming?
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| 14:53 | <jammcq> cool. sbalneav and I will be there
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> otavio: not without sponsorship somehow ... and not sure i'll have the time to make both debconf and FISL
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| 14:53 | <jammcq> let's make sure we take some time and get together this time
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| 14:53 | vagrantc: what's the dates of debconf?
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> jammcq: last half of july
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| 14:54 | <otavio> jammcq: sure; let's make it
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| 14:54 | <jammcq> oh, plenty far enough away from fisl
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| 14:54 | <otavio> jammcq: my birthday is at 24th of June
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| 14:54 | <jammcq> fisl is something like June 24-26
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| 14:54 | oh?
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| 14:54 | <otavio> jammcq: so we can cellebrate it together hehe
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| 14:54 | <jammcq> we'll arrive on the 23rd
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| 14:54 | <vagrantc> 2004 was great, debconf and FISL in the same town! that's what got me in so deep.
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| 14:55 | <jammcq> otavio: it's also LTSP's 10th birthday this year
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> from there on out i thought of myself as a free software developer .... *sigh*
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| 14:55 | <jammcq> vagrantc: you really got bitten, eh?
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> jammcq: pretty much.
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| 14:56 | <otavio> jammcq: cool :-)
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> they always talk about getting bitten by vampires, werewolves and the likes, but never free software developers
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| 14:57 | <otavio> haha
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| 14:58 | * otavio is completely outdated about LTSP news | |
| 14:58 | <otavio> long time without touching the code
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| 14:58 | <jammcq> otavio: me too :)
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| 14:58 | <otavio> hhah
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| 14:58 | <jammcq> I just watch it now
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| 14:58 | <otavio> jammcq: well; better then I
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| 14:58 | jammcq: heh
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| 14:59 | <vagrantc> otavio: you've at least sponsored uploads within the last year :)
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| 14:59 | <otavio> vagrantc: well; I try to help where possible
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| 15:00 | vagrantc: why didn't you signed as debian maintainer?
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| 15:00 | vagrantc: so you could avoid the sponsoring need
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> otavio: i am, but i need sponsoring for the occasional NEW processing
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| 15:00 | <otavio> vagrantc: oh right
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| 15:00 | vagrantc: the NEW queue needs a DD
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| 15:00 | vagrantc: yes; sorry
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| 15:01 | * otavio forgots it | |
| 15:01 | <vagrantc> otavio: no problem, it's just another reminder to finish my DD application :)
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| 15:01 | <otavio> jammcq: so; are you going to give a talk?
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| 15:01 | vagrantc: yes; that would be nice
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| 15:01 | vagrantc: GO!
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| 15:01 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 15:02 | <jammcq> otavio: yes, I think so
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| 15:02 | * vagrantc is stuck on "compare and contrast 3 software licenses ..." | |
| 15:02 | <jammcq> me and Scotty
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| 15:02 | <otavio> jammcq: let me try: About LTSP right? :P
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| 15:02 | <jammcq> I was hoping to lead a panel discussion about LTSP in various distros, but we're having trouble getting enough distro representation
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| 15:03 | <otavio> jammcq: well; if you want, I can make it for Debian
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| 15:03 | <jammcq> that would be great, but that would mean we'd have a panel of 1 :)
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| 15:03 | <otavio> jammcq: obviously I'm not up to date right now but I could catch up with vagrantc and be aware of what is need
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| 15:03 | <jammcq> if we can get someone from ubuntu, fedora, opensuse, that would be great
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| 15:03 | <otavio> jammcq: well; Debian is the most important so it won't be unfair ;-)
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| 15:03 | * vagrantc fumbles with writing new package descriptions to distinguish ltspfsd from ltspfsd-core | |
| 15:05 | * vagrantc keeps it simple | |
| 15:05 | <otavio> jammcq: so what topic you're going to cover if the panel fails?
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| 15:05 | <jammcq> dunno
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| 15:06 | Scotty will talk about some current issues in ltsp
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| 15:06 | I'll be happy to just be an attendee. very low pressure that way
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| 15:07 | <otavio> What are the current issues in LTSP?
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| 15:07 | <jammcq> well, maybe not "issues", but I mean "features"
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> low enough hardware specs is probably the largest
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| 15:07 | <jammcq> he can talk about local apps, local devices, and future direction
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| 15:07 | we haven't really worked out the talk yet
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> the hardware specs have upped significantly, with no real sight of them getting lower again
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| 15:08 | <otavio> Well that is indeed a serious issue
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| 15:09 | mostly because the main motivation for LTSP was to reuse old hardware
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> i'm getting curious to see ltsp on arm and mips architectures
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| 15:09 | <otavio> vagrantc: I have few samples here that I could use for it
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| 15:09 | vagrantc: arm based ones
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> otavio: supported in debian?
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| 15:10 | <stgraber> jammcq: I could do it for Ubuntu but will need more info and see how expensive it'd be to make it
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| 15:12 | <otavio> vagrantc: in theory yes; but I didn't try them on Debian yet
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| 15:12 | vagrantc: the most interesting issue is to work how to make the bootstraping of the chroot
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> i've got my hands on a headless mipsel box ... which doesn't make a lot of sense for ltsp :)
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| 15:12 | <jammcq> stgraber: that would be great if you could come
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| 15:12 | <otavio> vagrantc: it would probably involves qemu and like
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> otavio: ogra has been working with arm on ubuntu quite a bit and has some cross-arch bootstrapping scripts.
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| 15:13 | <otavio> vagrantc: oh nice
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| 15:13 | vagrantc: yes, debootstrap has it somewhat supported
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> otavio: yeah, i think it uses the stage support in debootstrap or some such
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| 15:13 | <otavio> vagrantc: you just need to work out the second stage and prepare an automation script for the rest of packages installations
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| 15:14 | vagrantc: yes
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| 15:14 | vagrantc: the one that runs postinst and like
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| 15:14 | <jammcq> stgraber: here's the url in portuguese. http://fisl.org.br/10/www/ still looking for english
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> otavio: right.
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| 15:16 | <otavio> vagrantc: currently LTSP is using squashfs by default?
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| 15:16 | vagrantc: or is it optional?
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| 15:17 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "changelog for ltspfs upload" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/298
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> otavio: Debian still uses NFS
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| 15:17 | otavio: do you think that changelog entry is convincing enough for ftpmasters?
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| 15:17 | <otavio> vagrantc: changelog looks ok
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| 15:17 | vagrantc: humm
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| 15:18 | vagrantc: so at least on Debian the specs hasn't been raised a lot
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| 15:18 | vagrantc: squashfs should really require faster machines to properly work
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> otavio: ubuntu uses NBD+squashfs+aufs, i *think* fedora defaults to NFS but supports either ... debian defaults to NFS but supports NBD+nearlyanyfs
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| 15:19 | otavio: from LTSP 4.2, just changes in the kernel and xorg, and udev and such has increased the minimum hardware specs significantly.
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| 15:19 | <otavio> vagrantc: well; we could take a look at hotplug2
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| 15:19 | <stgraber> jammcq: ok, looking at it. Any idea what the cost of flight + hotel is like ? (so I can start discussing it with my boss :))
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| 15:20 | <otavio> vagrantc: it is a udev replacement focused in embedded world
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| 15:20 | <jammcq> stgraber: if you are a speaker, hotel is free
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> otavio: that might make sense, yes.
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| 15:20 | <otavio> vagrantc: but since we have small requirements for chroot, it could be useful
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| 15:20 | <jammcq> flights from Detroit to Porto alegre is around $1100 US
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> otavio: though in general, i want to deviate from genuine Debian as much as possible.
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| 15:20 | otavio: er, *avoid* deviating.
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| 15:20 | <otavio> vagrantc: as less as possible, I suppose
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| 15:20 | vagrantc: heh ok
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 15:21 | <otavio> vagrantc: yes; but hotplug2 could be used in Debian
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| 15:21 | vagrantc: it is a nice thing to use in initramfs scripts
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| 15:21 | vagrantc: and d-i (I need to look at it)
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> otavio: well, i look forward to something lighter :)
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| 15:22 | <otavio> vagrantc: but ltsp is a much simple use case; so it could be the first "user"
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| 15:22 | * vagrantc is finding LTSP users are getting less and less simple with each passing day :) | |
| 15:23 | <otavio> vagrantc: sure but at least the chroot isn't as complex as a desktop environment
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| 15:23 | vagrantc: so you has a controlled environment
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> otavio: now we've got local applications running on the thin client, it's arguably *more* complex than a typical desktop environment
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| 15:24 | <stgraber> jammcq: Around $1330 US from Montreal, will discuss that with my boss next week (if I see her as I'll be at a conference the whole week)
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| 15:24 | <otavio> vagrantc: that allows you to even restrict what is supported; and that doesn't mean you need to not support udev but it could be done only if required
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| 15:24 | <jammcq> stgraber: you may need a visa to enter brazil. depends on your citizenship
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| 15:24 | I finally managed to get a 5-yr visa
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> otavio: i'm in favor of experimenting :)
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| 15:25 | <otavio> vagrantc: ok but that is not the target for low hw specs env
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| 15:26 | vagrantc: those machines are low power to run local apps
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| 15:28 | <stgraber> jammcq: looks like the Swiss passport let me enter Brazil for up to 90 days without any more paperwork
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| 15:28 | <jammcq> ah, cool
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| 15:28 | <otavio> :-)
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| 15:29 | <stgraber> I never found a country where I couldn't enter with my passport so far :) never had to request a visa.
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| 15:29 | <otavio> stgraber: you're lucky
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| 15:30 | <stgraber> yep, that's the good thing with Switzerland, we tend to have tons of agreements with other countries :)
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| 15:31 | * vagrantc is so glad to live in a country that's above agreements and such | |
| 15:32 | <stgraber> oui ?
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| 15:32 | <vagrantc> agree or else, that's *my* kind of agreement.
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| 15:32 | <stgraber> argh, focus issue :)
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| 15:33 | <otavio> heh
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| 15:33 | <otavio> see you later
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| 15:33 | ;-)
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> otavio: should i mail you the .orig.tar.gz, or can you just pull it from sid
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| 15:34 | ?
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| 15:34 | <otavio> vagrantc: please mail it all
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| 16:04 | <vagrantc> otavio: sponsoring mail sent, upload whenever it strikes your fancy :)
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