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Channel log from 5 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<muttley_>
when do logout i see black screen...not ldm
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<Avinash>
anybody there
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<Avinash>
hi
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<vagrantc>
otavio: available for sponsoring an upload of ltspfs to fix 454478 ?
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<otavio>
vagrantc: not right now but I can handle it later today/tomorrow
14:44
vagrantc: just mail it to me and I'll make it
14:45
<vagrantc>
otavio: thanks!
14:45
otavio: i'm hoping the ftpmasters won't reject it ... seems almost a frivalous binary package ...
14:46
<otavio>
vagrantc: please explain
14:46
vagrantc: frivalous?
14:47
<vagrantc>
otavio: not totally necessary ... it splits the ltspfsd package into two very small packages ... but allows one to be installed without all the udev hooks
14:48
<otavio>
vagrantc: ah
14:49
<vagrantc>
otavio: but you and ogra seemed to be supportive of the split, and i've relucantly accepted it.
14:50
otavio: it's the last bug on ltspfs, and i wanted to try and get it fixed :)
14:50
<otavio>
vagrantc: I don't recall what is it; but if you say so! heh
14:51
vagrantc: my mom is here; she is asking in which part of World you're now
14:51
<vagrantc>
otavio: i've been on the west coast of the US for a while now
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<vagrantc>
otavio: see the both of you in spain, i hope? :)
14:52
<otavio>
vagrantc: i guess so; if Debconf team handles the accessibility issues in time
14:52* vagrantc hopes and hopes
14:52
<otavio>
vagrantc: any plans to come to brazil?
14:53
<jammcq>
otavio: will you be at FISL-10 ?
14:53
<otavio>
jammcq: yes; I will
14:53
jammcq: are you comming?
14:53
<jammcq>
cool. sbalneav and I will be there
14:53
<vagrantc>
otavio: not without sponsorship somehow ... and not sure i'll have the time to make both debconf and FISL
14:53
<jammcq>
let's make sure we take some time and get together this time
14:53
vagrantc: what's the dates of debconf?
14:54
<vagrantc>
jammcq: last half of july
14:54
<otavio>
jammcq: sure; let's make it
14:54
<jammcq>
oh, plenty far enough away from fisl
14:54
<otavio>
jammcq: my birthday is at 24th of June
14:54
<jammcq>
fisl is something like June 24-26
14:54
oh?
14:54
<otavio>
jammcq: so we can cellebrate it together hehe
14:54
<jammcq>
we'll arrive on the 23rd
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<vagrantc>
2004 was great, debconf and FISL in the same town! that's what got me in so deep.
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<jammcq>
otavio: it's also LTSP's 10th birthday this year
14:55
<vagrantc>
from there on out i thought of myself as a free software developer .... *sigh*
14:55
<jammcq>
vagrantc: you really got bitten, eh?
14:56
<vagrantc>
jammcq: pretty much.
14:56
<otavio>
jammcq: cool :-)
14:56
<vagrantc>
they always talk about getting bitten by vampires, werewolves and the likes, but never free software developers
14:57
<otavio>
haha
14:58* otavio is completely outdated about LTSP news
14:58
<otavio>
long time without touching the code
14:58
<jammcq>
otavio: me too :)
14:58
<otavio>
hhah
14:58
<jammcq>
I just watch it now
14:58
<otavio>
jammcq: well; better then I
14:58
jammcq: heh
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<vagrantc>
otavio: you've at least sponsored uploads within the last year :)
14:59
<otavio>
vagrantc: well; I try to help where possible
15:00
vagrantc: why didn't you signed as debian maintainer?
15:00
vagrantc: so you could avoid the sponsoring need
15:00
<vagrantc>
otavio: i am, but i need sponsoring for the occasional NEW processing
15:00
<otavio>
vagrantc: oh right
15:00
vagrantc: the NEW queue needs a DD
15:00
vagrantc: yes; sorry
15:01* otavio forgots it
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<vagrantc>
otavio: no problem, it's just another reminder to finish my DD application :)
15:01
<otavio>
jammcq: so; are you going to give a talk?
15:01
vagrantc: yes; that would be nice
15:01
vagrantc: GO!
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<jammcq>
otavio: yes, I think so
15:02* vagrantc is stuck on "compare and contrast 3 software licenses ..."
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<jammcq>
me and Scotty
15:02
<otavio>
jammcq: let me try: About LTSP right? :P
15:02
<jammcq>
I was hoping to lead a panel discussion about LTSP in various distros, but we're having trouble getting enough distro representation
15:03
<otavio>
jammcq: well; if you want, I can make it for Debian
15:03
<jammcq>
that would be great, but that would mean we'd have a panel of 1 :)
15:03
<otavio>
jammcq: obviously I'm not up to date right now but I could catch up with vagrantc and be aware of what is need
15:03
<jammcq>
if we can get someone from ubuntu, fedora, opensuse, that would be great
15:03
<otavio>
jammcq: well; Debian is the most important so it won't be unfair ;-)
15:03* vagrantc fumbles with writing new package descriptions to distinguish ltspfsd from ltspfsd-core
15:05* vagrantc keeps it simple
15:05
<otavio>
jammcq: so what topic you're going to cover if the panel fails?
15:05
<jammcq>
dunno
15:06
Scotty will talk about some current issues in ltsp
15:06
I'll be happy to just be an attendee. very low pressure that way
15:07
<otavio>
What are the current issues in LTSP?
15:07
<jammcq>
well, maybe not "issues", but I mean "features"
15:07
<vagrantc>
low enough hardware specs is probably the largest
15:07
<jammcq>
he can talk about local apps, local devices, and future direction
15:07
we haven't really worked out the talk yet
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<vagrantc>
the hardware specs have upped significantly, with no real sight of them getting lower again
15:08
<otavio>
Well that is indeed a serious issue
15:09
mostly because the main motivation for LTSP was to reuse old hardware
15:09
<vagrantc>
i'm getting curious to see ltsp on arm and mips architectures
15:09
<otavio>
vagrantc: I have few samples here that I could use for it
15:09
vagrantc: arm based ones
15:09
<vagrantc>
otavio: supported in debian?
15:10
<stgraber>
jammcq: I could do it for Ubuntu but will need more info and see how expensive it'd be to make it
15:12
<otavio>
vagrantc: in theory yes; but I didn't try them on Debian yet
15:12
vagrantc: the most interesting issue is to work how to make the bootstraping of the chroot
15:12
<vagrantc>
i've got my hands on a headless mipsel box ... which doesn't make a lot of sense for ltsp :)
15:12
<jammcq>
stgraber: that would be great if you could come
15:12
<otavio>
vagrantc: it would probably involves qemu and like
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<vagrantc>
otavio: ogra has been working with arm on ubuntu quite a bit and has some cross-arch bootstrapping scripts.
15:13
<otavio>
vagrantc: oh nice
15:13
vagrantc: yes, debootstrap has it somewhat supported
15:13
<vagrantc>
otavio: yeah, i think it uses the stage support in debootstrap or some such
15:13
<otavio>
vagrantc: you just need to work out the second stage and prepare an automation script for the rest of packages installations
15:14
vagrantc: yes
15:14
vagrantc: the one that runs postinst and like
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<jammcq>
stgraber: here's the url in portuguese. http://fisl.org.br/10/www/ still looking for english
15:14
<vagrantc>
otavio: right.
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<otavio>
vagrantc: currently LTSP is using squashfs by default?
15:16
vagrantc: or is it optional?
15:17
<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "changelog for ltspfs upload" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/298
15:17
<vagrantc>
otavio: Debian still uses NFS
15:17
otavio: do you think that changelog entry is convincing enough for ftpmasters?
15:17
<otavio>
vagrantc: changelog looks ok
15:17
vagrantc: humm
15:18
vagrantc: so at least on Debian the specs hasn't been raised a lot
15:18
vagrantc: squashfs should really require faster machines to properly work
15:18
<vagrantc>
otavio: ubuntu uses NBD+squashfs+aufs, i *think* fedora defaults to NFS but supports either ... debian defaults to NFS but supports NBD+nearlyanyfs
15:19
otavio: from LTSP 4.2, just changes in the kernel and xorg, and udev and such has increased the minimum hardware specs significantly.
15:19
<otavio>
vagrantc: well; we could take a look at hotplug2
15:19
<stgraber>
jammcq: ok, looking at it. Any idea what the cost of flight + hotel is like ? (so I can start discussing it with my boss :))
15:20
<otavio>
vagrantc: it is a udev replacement focused in embedded world
15:20
<jammcq>
stgraber: if you are a speaker, hotel is free
15:20
<vagrantc>
otavio: that might make sense, yes.
15:20
<otavio>
vagrantc: but since we have small requirements for chroot, it could be useful
15:20
<jammcq>
flights from Detroit to Porto alegre is around $1100 US
15:20
<vagrantc>
otavio: though in general, i want to deviate from genuine Debian as much as possible.
15:20
otavio: er, *avoid* deviating.
15:20
<otavio>
vagrantc: as less as possible, I suppose
15:20
vagrantc: heh ok
15:20
<vagrantc>
yeah
15:21
<otavio>
vagrantc: yes; but hotplug2 could be used in Debian
15:21
vagrantc: it is a nice thing to use in initramfs scripts
15:21
vagrantc: and d-i (I need to look at it)
15:21
<vagrantc>
otavio: well, i look forward to something lighter :)
15:22
<otavio>
vagrantc: but ltsp is a much simple use case; so it could be the first "user"
15:22* vagrantc is finding LTSP users are getting less and less simple with each passing day :)
15:23
<otavio>
vagrantc: sure but at least the chroot isn't as complex as a desktop environment
15:23
vagrantc: so you has a controlled environment
15:23
<vagrantc>
otavio: now we've got local applications running on the thin client, it's arguably *more* complex than a typical desktop environment
15:24
<stgraber>
jammcq: Around $1330 US from Montreal, will discuss that with my boss next week (if I see her as I'll be at a conference the whole week)
15:24
<otavio>
vagrantc: that allows you to even restrict what is supported; and that doesn't mean you need to not support udev but it could be done only if required
15:24
<jammcq>
stgraber: you may need a visa to enter brazil. depends on your citizenship
15:24
I finally managed to get a 5-yr visa
15:25
<vagrantc>
otavio: i'm in favor of experimenting :)
15:25
<otavio>
vagrantc: ok but that is not the target for low hw specs env
15:26
vagrantc: those machines are low power to run local apps
15:28
<stgraber>
jammcq: looks like the Swiss passport let me enter Brazil for up to 90 days without any more paperwork
15:28
<jammcq>
ah, cool
15:28
<otavio>
:-)
15:29
<stgraber>
I never found a country where I couldn't enter with my passport so far :) never had to request a visa.
15:29
<otavio>
stgraber: you're lucky
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<stgraber>
yep, that's the good thing with Switzerland, we tend to have tons of agreements with other countries :)
15:31* vagrantc is so glad to live in a country that's above agreements and such
15:32
<stgraber>
oui ?
15:32
<vagrantc>
agree or else, that's *my* kind of agreement.
15:32
<stgraber>
argh, focus issue :)
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<otavio>
heh
15:33* otavio went to play videogame
15:33
<otavio>
see you later
15:33
;-)
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<vagrantc>
otavio: should i mail you the .orig.tar.gz, or can you just pull it from sid
15:34
?
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<otavio>
vagrantc: please mail it all
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<vagrantc>
otavio: sponsoring mail sent, upload whenever it strikes your fancy :)
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