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Channel log from 24 July 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<sdistefano>
hi all ; I'm having a problem getting hardware acceleration to work on a thin client with Intel GMA3150
04:34
I only needed for Google earth. I tried running it locally, but same problem
04:34
any idea on how to debug this? I don't even know how to see what driver the TC is using
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<alkisg1>
!localxterm
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg1: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
04:54
<alkisg1>
sdistefano: ^^ run lspci -k on that
04:54alkisg1 is now known as alkisg
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<sdistefano>
alkisg It's using apggart-intel
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which seems correct
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but when I open google earth it opens in software emulation mode
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<alkisg>
sdistefano: I've never had a thin client capable of runnning 3d apps over the network (I think some other people did have such clients), but it should have no problem running it as a localapp.
05:08
To verify, try installing mesa-utils on the chroot, update your image (if running ubuntu), and run glxgears as a localapp
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<sdistefano>
alkisg and how do I check which module the X server is using?
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<alkisg>
Xorg messages go In /var/log/Xorg.0.log - again from the localxterm
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<sdistefano>
alkisg: it looks like it's loading vmware
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which would be the dissplay driver for the server
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<alkisg>
If you run "cat /etc/ltsp_chroot" from the localxterm, is that file there?
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<sdistefano>
alkisg: by localxterm you mean on the client?
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<alkisg>
See above what ltspbot said
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<sdistefano>
oh
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alkisg: it says LTSP_CHROOT=/opt/ltsp/i386
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<alkisg>
sdistefano: ok, so, were you looking at the correct Xorg.0.log? (i.e. on the localxterm?)
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<sdistefano>
oh ho
05:20
ok
05:20
it's loading intel driver
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and glxgears works quite well there
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I don't know why google earth doesn't
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can I apt-get from that shell?
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<alkisg>
No, ram won't suffice
05:21
You'd need to install it in the chroot, as a localapp
05:21
Which distro/version is that?
05:21
<sdistefano>
ubuntu
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<alkisg>
version?
05:22
<sdistefano>
lucid
05:22
<alkisg>
See there: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSPKarmicLocalAppsFirefox
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You need to do something like that, but with google earth instead of firefox
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<sdistefano>
alkisg: it crashes
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any more ideas?
05:29
<alkisg>
sdistefano: you already installed, ran ltsp-update-image, and rebooted the client?!!!
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Or did you miss some step?
05:31
<sdistefano>
alkisg: I already did all that
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<alkisg>
OK, so what message do you see if you run it from a localxterm?
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<sdistefano>
there's a stacktrace from glibc
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first in googelearth--bin
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then libQtGui.so.4
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then libgoogleearth_lib.so
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finally libc.so.6
05:33
<alkisg>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
05:33
<alkisg>
Please paste the message there...
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(if you run googleearth 2>~/somefile, you can then get it from the session, as sshfs is used)
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(or just use copy/paste :))
05:36
<sdistefano>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/n22bjGTT
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alkisg: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/n22bjGTT
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<alkisg>
Nah, I don't see anything useful there. Googleearth is working fine for me for my fat clients, so it's doable, but I don't know what problem you have.
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<sdistefano>
alkisg: does it run fast enough there?
05:42
<alkisg>
Fat clients run exactly the same as if an OS was installed locally
05:42
<sdistefano>
but they're still diskless, right?
05:42
<alkisg>
So yeah, for recent clients it runs very fast
05:42
Yes
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<sdistefano>
mm maybe I can try that setup
05:43
how I doing it?
05:43
<alkisg>
What are your client specs? RAM/CPU?
05:43
<sdistefano>
Intel Atom MB 1.6 Ghz
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1GB of RAM
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<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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I'm also using NFS instead of the default sshfs, for speed + compatibility reasons. It's insecure compared to sshfs, but I don't care.
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<sdistefano>
I see
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it would be nice though for me to run eg. Firefox on the server
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I would've expected LOCAL_APPS to be able to generate some sort of hybrid solution
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should I conclude this is not possibel?
05:47
<alkisg>
Sure, that's what localapps are for
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(though I wonder why would you run firefox + flash on the server with such good clients)
05:47
<sdistefano>
I see
05:47
last question
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how do I start the tc chroot from scratch>?
05:50
<alkisg>
sudo mv /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp-previous-chroot
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sudo ltsp-build-client
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<muppis>
I run FF+Flash on Celeron 800 (yes, P3 Cu -generation) with 256 MB RAM.
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<sdistefano>
alkisg: OK thank you very much
05:51
I think I understand a lot better now
05:51
<alkisg>
np
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08:12* vagrantc notices freerdp and wonders if it might be less annoying than rdesktop
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<vagrantc>
apparently a more active fork of rdesktop
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so it might disappear or thrive...
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<vla99>
anybody here?
08:19
<vagrantc>
!question
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "question" :: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
08:20
<vla99>
ok, i am using gentoo x86, kernel 2.6.34 and have some problems with read-only root fs
08:22
thinclient shows: "remounting root fs read/write", Skipping /etc/mtab initialization (ro root?), you must be root to do this, skip missing mtab
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<vla99>
i seems, that the gentoo initscript 'checkroot' remount root rw but bind wasnt executed before
08:29* vagrantc wonders who's working on the gentoo port these days...
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