IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 June 2012   (all times are UTC)

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00:35
<vagrantc>
!vagrant-todo
00:35
<ltsp_>
vagrantc: vagrant-todo: (#1) pxemenus, or (#2) ltsp-tool.conf.d
00:35
<vagrantc>
!forget vagrant-todo 2
00:35
<ltsp_>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
00:35
<vagrantc>
!vagrant-todo
00:35
<ltsp_>
vagrantc: vagrant-todo: pxemenus
00:37
<vagrantc>
ok, tagging ltsp 5.4.1 ...
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04:33
<alkisg>
Ouch the new update-kernels stuff will need some Ubunu-ization
04:35
<muppis>
Any idea could somehow ltsp related when hdmi sound is missing after boot? Using fats.
04:35
And 7buntu 12.04 as well.
04:37
<alkisg>
And it works with the 12.04 live cd?
04:38
!learn alkisg-todo as Ubuntu-ize update-kernels
04:38
<ltsp_>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
04:38
<alkisg>
!learn alkisg-todo put IPAPPEND support in ltsp-update-kernels
04:38
<ltsp_>
alkisg: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
04:38
<alkisg>
!learn alkisg-todo asput IPAPPEND support in ltsp-update-kernels
04:38
<ltsp_>
alkisg: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
04:38
<alkisg>
!learn alkisg-todo as put IPAPPEND support in ltsp-update-kernels
04:38
<ltsp_>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
04:39
<alkisg>
!learn alkisg-todo as prefer kernels from img rather than dir
04:39
<ltsp_>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
04:39
<muppis>
alkisg, actually haven't tested yet.
04:41
Just noticed this morning when my kids wanted to watch Madagascar.
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08:30* alkisg thinks that update-kernels should become much dumber, no menu of ifcpu64 support or anything, and those should be moved to ltsp-update-kernels instead
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09:27
<rkwesk>
In order to add a howto for existing wikis related to ltsp I come up with this excellent one in Greek http://ts.sch.gr/tech/win32-loader and this seemingly less recent http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Main_Page
09:28
where does one go to add today's howto?
09:28
<alkisg>
rkwesk: err the first one is about win32loader, the second one about LTSP
09:28
What are you looking for?
09:29
It'd be a greate idea to translate the win32loader greek page and put it in the new LTSP wiki...
09:30
We're just writing the Greek guide to LTSP, it's location will be in http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/Linux/LTSP
09:30
<rkwesk>
Yes, I was asked to make a howto just like yours about win32loader (but I assume in English)
09:30
<alkisg>
(it was in .pdf previously)
09:30
<rkwesk>
yes, but also in Greek?
09:31
<alkisg>
Our wiki? Yup. The LTSP wiki? Nah, just in English
09:31
!wiki
09:31
<ltsp_>
alkisg: wiki: the LTSP wiki. You can find it at http://wiki.ltsp.org
09:32
<alkisg>
!forget wiki
09:32
<ltsp_>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
09:32
<alkisg>
!learn wiki as The LTSP wiki can be found at http://server.ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/LTSPedia
09:32
<ltsp_>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
09:32
<alkisg>
I'm not sure if you need an account to edit pages, knipwim will englighten us if he's available...
09:33
If not, you can write it under the UbuntuLTSP wiki and we can copy it later to the main LTSP wiki
09:33
<rkwesk>
ok, I can always subscribe
09:34
<alkisg>
!win32loader
09:34
<ltsp_>
alkisg: I do not know about 'win32loader', but I do know about these similar topics: 'win32-loader'
09:34
<alkisg>
!win32-loader
09:34
<ltsp_>
alkisg: win32-loader: win32-loader.exe can be used to add a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses gPXE/iPXE for the network booting. You can download a binary from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/unstable/ (if someone can write a wiki page about it it'd be nice :))
09:34
<alkisg>
!forget win32-loader
09:34
<ltsp_>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
09:35
<alkisg>
!learn win32-loader as win32-loader.exe can be used to add a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses gPXE/iPXE for the network booting. You can download a binary from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/unstable/ (if someone could write a wiki page for that it'd be great, a Greek page you can translate as a starting point is available at http://ts.sch.gr/tech/win32-loader)
09:35
<ltsp_>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
09:36
<rkwesk>
ok I will translate the excellent wiki page that Alkisg has created in Greek.
09:36
<alkisg>
;)
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09:43
<alkisg>
Hey google translate does a descent job :) http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=el&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fts.sch.gr%2Fwiki%2FLinux%2FLTSP%2F%CE%95%CE%BA%CE%BA%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B7_%CE%B1%CF%80%CF%8C_%CF%84%CE%BF_%CE%B4%CE%AF%CE%BA%CF%84%CF%85%CE%BF
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10:57
<alkisg>
knipwim: around?
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<davew>
anyone about who can answer a question about ubuntu menu editor
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11:45
<knipwim>
alkisg: kindof, not feeling so good atm
11:46* alkisg wishes to knipwim to get better, it was something about relative links for mediawiki but I found it:
11:46
<alkisg>
$wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_MAIN] = true; 
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13:46
<Hyperbyte>
Hey, GodFather!
13:46* Hyperbyte takes a bow
13:46
<GodFather>
Hyperbyte, funny how are you!!!
13:47
<Hyperbyte>
I'm good!
13:47
What brings you to our humble channel?
13:47* Hyperbyte rolls out the red carpet
13:48
<GodFather>
actually when I start my irc I have a few channels that auto join, today I'm looking for a few answers to some ruby and rails questions un-related to ltsp
13:49
<Hyperbyte>
Should hang around here more often with us common folk. :)
13:49
;-)
13:51
So what are you doing today? It's weekend you know. ;-)
13:54
<GodFather>
yes, doing some work this AM in a couple of hours headed to a High School Graduation Party, then mountain bike, then dinner and wine!!!
14:01
<Hyperbyte>
Nice!
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15:58
<sammymax33>
Ok here I am
15:59
<alkisg>
!nomodeset | echo sammymax33
15:59
<ltsp_>
sammymax33 nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
15:59
<alkisg>
Do that, reboot clients, see if they work, or paste any error messages
16:00
<sammymax33>
My server is a 64bit laptop so I am running this version does this change the code above
16:01
Assuming this is on the server
16:03
<alkisg>
Try the command and if it opens an empty file, replace i386 with amd64
16:05
<sammymax33>
unable to open /dev/tty8: Permission denied
16:05
errer message for either one
16:07
16:07
<alkisg>
That's all? No previous or later error messages?
16:08
<sammymax33>
Nope :( there is a 'openvt:' before the message but that is it
16:08
Am I supposed to do this as the sudo user
16:09
<alkisg>
The command on the server to disable mode setting? yes
16:12
<sammymax33>
OK, I ran sudo ...command, and it just returned nothing just gave me another cursor
16:17
<alkisg>
What did you run exactly?
16:17
<sammymax33>
sudo open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
16:18
<alkisg>
No that wasn't a command, you were supposed to use and editor there
16:18
Run: gksudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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16:24
<sammymax33>
Error: (gksudo:2475) Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
16:24
should my client be on?
16:25
<alkisg>
No need fo rit
16:25
No need for it
16:25
Are you working directly on the server?
16:25
<sammymax33>
yes
16:25
<alkisg>
Or do you access it from e.g. ssh?
16:25
OK just open a gnome-terminal then and enter the command I wrote above
16:26
<sammymax33>
once it boots I hit Ctrl-Alt-F2
16:26
<alkisg>
Don't hit it :)
16:26
Login graphically
16:28
<sammymax33>
I am sorry, I REALLY appreciate your patience.
16:30
I have logged on now and went through the graphics files found the file and have changed it, but it says read only
16:30
<alkisg>
Did you use gksudo in front?
16:30
<sammymax33>
so I can not save it
16:31
How can I use the gksudo, when I am accessing it graphically via the file system?
16:31
<alkisg>
Don't access it from the file system :)
16:32
Run the command I posted above
16:33
<sammymax33>
I did and I got the error code mentioned above: open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
16:33
sorry: (gksudo:2475) Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
16:33
<alkisg>
Press Alt+Ctrl+T
16:33
On the graphical session
16:33
Did a gnome-terminal open?
16:33
<sammymax33>
yes
16:34
<alkisg>
OK, now in there: (07:18:19 μμ) alkisg: Run: gksudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<sammymax33>
OK, key learning - TTy2 and Ctrl-Alt-T is not the same Terminal resource?
16:38
I looks good not I have changed everything all I need to do now is reboot?
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16:43
<alkisg>
Yes
16:44
<Hyperbyte>
Yes?
16:44
Yes!
16:51
<sammymax33>
OK, I now have a mouse that I can use to add folders and files to the desktop but should I not also have the menu bar on the left side of the desktop?
16:52
<alkisg>
On the client?
16:52
<sammymax33>
yes
16:52
II have it on the server but not the clients
16:53
<alkisg>
Do you have a bar on the top that reads "Applications Places" etc?
16:53
<sammymax33>
No, just a blank desktop picture
16:53
<alkisg>
That means that unity crashed
16:53
Does alt+ctrl+t bring a terminal?
16:54
<sammymax33>
not on the clients
16:54
<alkisg>
OK you'd need to try an older session call gnome-fallback, but I don't have more time to give you step by step instructions, here's the idea:
16:54
!gnome-fallback
16:54
<ltsp_>
alkisg: gnome-fallback: Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
16:58
<sammymax33>
Sorry newby - where would I find gnome-fallback
17:05
17:16
OK, I found a /usr/share/doc/gnome-session-fallback folder, in reading the readme file it says to see the INSTALL file but there is no install file?
17:18
<alkisg>
"To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package"
17:18
<sammymax33>
17:18
<alkisg>
So you first need to google for "how do I install a package in ubuntu?"
17:21
<sammymax33>
Thank you for your helps, it is grealy appreciated.
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17:39
<alkisg>
vagrantc: heya!
17:39* vagrantc waves
17:39
<alkisg>
Got any time today to fix your packaging to work on Ubuntu too? :)
17:39
<vagrantc>
hah!
17:39
well, i am at a Debian/Ubuntu bug squashing event
17:40* alkisg would like to use the latest LTSP version in the workshop, but he's unable to, with NFS being first...
17:40
<vagrantc>
alkisg: what's to fix?
17:40* alkisg files a bug about debian's LTSP not working on Ubuntu then :P
17:40
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ship an update-kernels.conf for Ubuntu
17:40
<vagrantc>
heh
17:40
<alkisg>
debian/rules etc etc
17:40
<vagrantc>
alkisg: ah, shipping a different one for ubuntu, yeah ..
17:41
alkisg: i dropped nfs-kernel-server on ubuntu, what more could you ask for? :P
17:41
<alkisg>
vagrantc: also, I'd really prefer it if we removed all menu-ing support from update-kernels, and put all of it in ltsp-update-kernels...
17:41
<vagrantc>
alkisg: could probably just sed it from debian/rules ...
17:41
alkisg: hm.
17:41
alkisg: it was cheap to add, and paved the
17:41
way
17:42
<alkisg>
...and finally, why not generate a single default file, without the ltsp-$BOOT_METHOD ones?
17:42
I can put some work on those today, if you agree...
17:42
But if that was the last release for whezzy, I'll pass :)
17:42
Wheezy
17:46
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i split out the separate files to make it easier to parse ... that way you don't have to parse the commandline options, you can just grab ltsp-*NFS or ltsp-*NBD appropriately
17:46
<alkisg>
vagrantc: we'll parse the LABEL anyway
17:47
...and only include the server supported methods, and the unknown ones (compatibility with older ltsp)
17:47
<vagrantc>
alkisg: but you can grab it wholesale and append easier than parsing it and acting conditionally
17:47
<alkisg>
vagrantc: grabbing won't work
17:47
It'll just add overhead to parse multiple files
17:47
<vagrantc>
alkisg: originally, i did it that way for the easy selection of includes ...
17:48
but then we decided to drop the include functionality
17:48
<alkisg>
We'll need to parse the labels for compatibility with older version, for selecting boot methods, for sorting them, to add ifcpu64 support, etc etc
17:48
So parsing multiple files will only make it more complicated
17:49
Also I think that, ifcpu64, menu etc all should be handled by the server
17:49
(ltsp-update-kernels)
17:49
I think I can strip down update-kernels today, and do ltsp-update-kernels tomorrow
17:50
But of course only if you agree it's a good plan
17:50
update-kernels would put all the entries in default, but would only be able to boot the first one
17:50
ltsp-update-kernels would merge all chroots, allow for pxe menus, etc etc
17:50
...put ifcpu64 support...
17:50
pxelinux.0...
17:51
(since a master pxelinux.0 would be used anyways)
17:51
No need to even have syslinux in the chroot, if one doesn't put TFTP=CHROOT?boot
17:51
<vagrantc>
alkisg: sure, it would be trivial to put them all back into one file
17:51
alkisg: i think having all the syslinux bits in there would be good
17:51
<alkisg>
We'll need the LABELS to be more easily parseable though
17:52
<vagrantc>
alkisg: that way you don't have to install them on the server, cross-architecture issues, etc.
17:52
<alkisg>
ltsp_$BOOT_METHOD_$PAEetc_$kernel
17:52
vagrantc: so in which pxelinux.0 would the dhcp point to?
17:53
TFTP/pxelinux.0 or TFTP/ltsp/chroot/pxelinux.0?
17:53
<vagrantc>
alkisg: whichever you wanted
17:53
<alkisg>
For pxelinux.0, I'd say, use a master one
17:53
Since it's x86 only
17:53
<vagrantc>
sure, but it's cheap to make it possible to not require the ltsp-update-kernels master one
17:54
since it already works that way
17:54
<alkisg>
For other arches like yaboot or arm etc I'd put in the DHCP their mac and point them to TFTP/ltsp/chroot/yaboot*
17:54
OK, do you also want the client-side menus, or could they be moved server-side only?
17:57
If LABEL contains ltsp_$BOOT_METHOD_$PAE_$version, it's easy for ltsp-update-kernels to sort them and/or use ifcpu64 and/or create submenus etc, even for multiple chroots
17:58
But I'm not sure if it's worth it to do that twice, both on the client and the server
17:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it would also be good to generate an unversioned one, so that the admin can set a sane default
18:01
<alkisg>
The sysadmin would set the preferred ordering in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-kernels.conf (LIST_CHROOTS, BOOT_METHODS, $PAE etc),
18:01
and if he didn't want the one on top to be the default, he could use prefix label matching, I already have code for that in ltsp-pnp
18:01
<vagrantc>
prefix or suffix?
18:02
i.e. 486 vs. 686 ?
18:02
<alkisg>
E.g. DEFAULT=ltsp_i386_nfs_686
18:02
(there's the chroot name there too)
18:02
<vagrantc>
ok.
18:04
<alkisg>
...you still want client-side menus, right? :)
18:05
We could make "update-pxe-menu" a separate script, easily copy-able in a chroot, without ltsp-server installed... if it helps
18:05
<vagrantc>
honestly, i'm not attached, it just seemed like the code i could write most easily that could do what i wanted
18:06
<sammymax33>
WHAHOOO!
18:06
<alkisg>
I was trying to read update-kernels and I thought it was too long and complicated... and since ltsp-update-kernels will be a bit complicated to handle the pxe menus, I'd prefer not to do similar things from 2 scripts
18:08
The chroot could even just generate a .csv file with the kernels and the boot methods for all that ltsp-update-kernels cares
18:08
<sammymax33>
success! THANK you alkisg! everything is working now.
18:08
<alkisg>
sammymax33: with gnome-fallback?
18:09
vagrantc: the rest is just about maintaining compatibility, and helping people that want TFTP=CHROOT/boot
18:09
Even yaboot.conf could be generated from the server
18:09
<sammymax33>
yes... when I tried to install gnome-fallback it said it was already loaded, but when I logs on I just hit the icon in upper right hand corner and forced it to use gnome and BINGO! everything worked fine...thanks again.
18:10
<alkisg>
Cool, if you put it in lts.conf you won't have to do that for every user first time they login
18:11
<sammymax33>
I did this and the clients had a error... one moment and I will reboot and tell you what it said.
18:11
<alkisg>
sammymax33: gksudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, and put those inside it:
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[Default]
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LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=fallback"
18:12
Sorry, wrong line, this is the correct one:
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LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
18:12
I.e. lts.conf needs to have 2 lines inside it
18:13
Anyway, vagrantc I'll try to propose a packaging diff first, which is what's more pressing for the workshop...
18:30
<sammymax33>
OK, not sure what happened but the lts.conf file is appears to be blank.? But my system is still working?
18:48
<alkisg>
You need to create it
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<Ronh_>
Anyone around that's played with alkisg's ltsp-pnp? Having a spot of trouble with the last step that he describes.
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: what's this? # Preferred default kernel order
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#LIST_KERNELS_DEFAULT="486-custom 686-custom"
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: how to override the ltsp-NFS/ltsp-NBD default kernel
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alkisg: LIST_KERNELS="$LIST_KERNELS_DEAULT $LIST_KERNELS_32 *"
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is basically how it's called
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<alkisg>
Ah, and the -custom suffix is to point out a user-built kernel?