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Channel log from 7 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<ari_stress>
sbalneav: yes i am :D
00:00
<sbalneav>
I just responded to you in the list.
00:00
<ari_stress>
ok let me check the mail
00:00
<sbalneav>
If you're trying to get localdevs working, you need to make sure the users are members of the fuse group
00:02
<ari_stress>
ok, i guess i can try to make fuse group in ldap. hmm, there's one thing i'm sure though. previously package ltspfs is not installed, so i install it by hand, dpkg -i packages in the chroot env, is it the right way?
00:02
<sbalneav>
no
00:02
not in ldap
00:03
just add the users on the local machine's /etc/fuse.
00:03
<ari_stress>
what where
00:03
oh
00:03
ok
00:03
<sbalneav>
unless you're completely hiding the local machine's /etc/group, which is a bad idea
00:03
ltspfs doesn't go in the chroot.
00:03
ltspfsd goes in the chroot
00:04
ltspfs goes on the server
00:04
<ari_stress>
so i only need install ltspfs in the server? not chroot env?
00:04
<sbalneav>
no
00:05
Only on the server
00:05
<ari_stress>
ok. i guess ogra's wiki is a bit misleading
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00:13
<sbalneav>
not misleading at all
00:13
I just read it. It makes it clear that ltspfs goes in the server, and ltspfsd goes in the client chroot.
00:14
<ari_stress>
oh i thought by checking ltspfs on the chroot env means we must install it in chroot too
00:14
btw sbalneav, it works! :)
00:14
editing /etc/group:fuse works
00:14
<sbalneav>
read the line carefully
00:14
<ari_stress>
thanks a bunch
00:14
:D
00:14
<sbalneav>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l ltspfsd|grep ^ii
00:14
note the ltspfsD
00:15
<ari_stress>
:o i miss the 'd'
00:15
<sbalneav>
So, ogra's instructions are clear, you're reading instructions are flawed :)
00:15
<ari_stress>
so, the general rule is that we should never install anything in chroot?
00:15
sbalneav: you're right. i've been in a lot of stress lately, i'm burned out
00:15
:(
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<sbalneav>
Depending on what you're doing, you may need to install things in the chroot.
00:17
It depends
00:17
<ari_stress>
my canadian PR application seems to be rejected, they said my wife is medically inadmissible. i'm so sad. but i'm still going to write an appeal letter. sorry for the rant.. i don't know what to do...:((
00:17
brb
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00:18
<mwright1>
sbalneav: I'm just trying to migrate to ubuntu_feisty_i386 and i've installed it as /opt/ltsp5 along side the old /opt/ltsp/
00:19
Just wandering where the /lts/ directory is defined (tftpboot) that is in my dhcpd.conf from version 4.2
00:19
<sbalneav>
/var/lib/tftppboot
00:20
<mwright1>
not on my centos5 box.. no such directory
00:20
<sbalneav>
Dunno anything about centos, might be /tftpboot
00:21
<mwright1>
yer it is
00:21
ok
00:21
i've got /lts/ vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
00:21
which kernel should I use with the feisty version 5 I am upgrading too
00:22
should I copy the /opt/ltsp5/ubuntu_feisty_i386/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-9-generic to /tftpboot/lts
00:22
and reference that from dhcpd.conf
00:23
<sbalneav>
Yup
00:23
<mwright1>
the kernel I've got atm was from the 4.2 distribution vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1
00:23
<sbalneav>
You'll have to do a bunch of stuff manually
00:23
and, localdevs and sound won't work.
00:23
<mwright1>
is there any difference between the kernel 4.2 and the kernel with the feisty distribution
00:23
<sbalneav>
tons
00:23
<mwright1>
I am upgrading to version 5 so I can get localdevs and sound to work
00:23
that's the whole point
00:24
<sbalneav>
There's no server side stuff for Centos.
00:24
<mwright1>
i'm running Fedora core 7
00:24
sorry I didn't explain
00:24
<monteslu>
or fedora :(
00:24
<sbalneav>
Doesn't matter.
00:24
<mwright1>
Centos is the host os dom0 and fedora is the xen instance
00:25
so I can't get it working with fedora? pulise and all these things aren't available for fedora?
00:25
<sbalneav>
Well, they are, but no one's done any work to try to integrate them.
00:25
And no one's got ltspfs binaries for Fedora.
00:25
<mwright1>
so there is no way through manually configuring them
00:26
<sbalneav>
Well, there probably is.
00:26
<mwright1>
for the usb key etc?
00:26
<sbalneav>
But you'd be on your own.
00:26
<mwright1>
is ltspfs a kernel module?
00:26
will it work aainst multiple kernels or is it per kernel
00:27
<sbalneav>
I've got a fedora box here, and when I get some time, I was going to start digging into what it would take to get an ubunutu chroot running with fedora, but that's at least a month or two off on my schedule.
00:27
<mwright1>
ok so it might be easier migrating my 50 users to feisty
00:27
bummer
00:27
what about sound with 4.2 is it a lost cause?
00:28
<sbalneav>
Well, sound on 4.2 never really worked well.
00:28
<mwright1>
ok .. question.. will there be any problem if the feisty tree sits on Centos5 and I run ubuntu feisty in a xen instance
00:29
<sbalneav>
No idea
00:29
<mwright1>
does that make it difficult
00:29
<sbalneav>
I know zippo about virtualization.
00:29
Don't need it, don't use it.
00:29
<mwright1>
very handy, aall my clients at work (HP) are moving towards virtualised environments, saving 100s of k on infrastructure
00:30* sbalneav shrugs
00:30
<mwright1>
also testing, and rolling out new software is much easier and less risk
00:30
ok so what it will mean is this
00:30
<sbalneav>
Like I say, I run a province wide network, and I don't need it at all.
00:30
<mwright1>
the workstation connects in and gets its file share from the Centos 5 box, but in the lts.conf goes to the ubuntu fesity box
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00:33
<mwright1>
What if we run fedora with an ubuntu kernel/
00:33
<sbalneav>
What's that going to buy you?
00:33
Apart from completely breaking your box.
00:34
<monteslu>
sbalneav, so could a repo for binaries of all the ltsp-5 bits be built for fedora/centos, or does something upstream need to be done to the kernel?
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<sbalneav>
Here's what will be needed:
00:35
kernel wise.
00:35
<colren>
mwright1: you there?
00:35
<mwright1>
yes
00:36
<colren>
hows it going?
00:36
<sbalneav>
fuse, alsa, and the alsa-pulse virtual sound card.
00:36
<monteslu>
sbalneav, I thought those are user space?
00:36
<mwright1>
yer good -- spoke to Russell, he's going to run whatever we have to run in ubuntu to get it working
00:36
<sbalneav>
as for packages, you'll need ltspfs, and a ton of glue scripts to tie it all together.
00:36
<mwright1>
he can run an ubutnu kernel on our fedora if need be
00:36
<sbalneav>
no one's done any work on that stuff in Fedora.
00:36
<colren>
ok
00:37
<monteslu>
I'm trying to to follow the integeratingltsp wiki... a lot to take in
00:37
maybe if it had pretty pictures/diagrams
00:37
<mwright1>
sbalneav: well Russell to the rescue, we'll be able to report back once we've figured it out on how to get it working
00:37
<monteslu>
mwright1, for fedora?
00:37
<mwright1>
he's a past debian and redhat developer
00:38
<monteslu>
coolness
00:38
<mwright1>
yes but it maybe a slightly advanced config
00:38
<monteslu>
fedora needs some ltsp5 love badly
00:39
<sbalneav>
Well, someone from Fedora's gotta step up to the plate, and take ownership.
00:39
<mwright1>
sbalneav: vmlinuz-2.6.20-9-generic is that the feisty kernel
00:39
<sbalneav>
SOunds right.
00:39
<mwright1>
sbalneav: Russell had a falling out and no longer works for Redhat.. so probably won't take it over
00:40
<sbalneav>
The best way to start would be to port initramfs-tools from Debian/Ubuntu
00:40
<monteslu>
yet redhat will make press releases that they intend to support thin clients
00:40
<sbalneav>
that will help you to build an initramfs that will work with ltsp5
00:40
<mwright1>
colren: I've changed the dhcpd.conf to option root-path "192.168.0.253:/opt/ltsp5/ubuntu_feisty_i386";
00:40
filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.20-9-generic";
00:41
<colren>
ok
00:41
shall I try a reboot?
00:41
<mwright1>
i've restared dhcpd
00:41
of the workstation.. nto the server
00:42
<colren>
ok, here goes
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<mwright1>
sbalneave: is that the correct path for the option root-path.. orshould it be the sub directory /boot appended on their
00:43
<sbalneav>
Well, in D/U, the kernels are copied out from the chroot, and installed in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
00:43
they don't actually transfer from the chroot.
00:44
<mwright1>
the lts part is ok
00:44
but what about the option root-path which is the nfs part
00:44
have I got that right
00:46
<sbalneav>
The root path doesn't need the ip address anymore
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<sbalneav>
And, as well, for the next version, we move away from nfs as the default, to nbd as the default device.
00:46
the chroot is squashfs'd, and shared out with nbd-server.
00:46
<colren>
mwright1: bootup borked
00:47
<sbalneav>
You can switch back to nfs, but you need to rebuild the initramfs.
00:47
<colren>
am now booting from the local hard drive on the same machine
00:47
mwright1: you there?
00:49
<mwright1>
yes
00:50
<colren>
I think it was still trying to go into 4.2
00:50
<mwright1>
i'll just check russell's availability
00:51
Russell will be in the channel in 20minutes
00:52
colren: will you still be in the office?
00:52
<colren>
will be here until 5pm
00:52
<mwright1>
ok can you confirm that you box is 192.168.0.47
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00:53
<colren>
yes 192.168.0.47
00:53
ws018
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<mwright1>
colren: where are you at?
00:59
can you explain what is occuring
01:02
<colren>
huh
01:02
waiting for russel
01:04
mwright1: do you want me to try rebooting again?
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01:05
<mwright1>
yes
01:05
<colren>
ok
01:05
<mwright1>
see if we can figure out what it is
01:06
<colren>
might set the laptop up so can reboot at will without having to close down IRC
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01:17
<mwright1>
colren: ru back
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01:18
<colren>
mwright1: ubuntu on the laptop borked :|
01:20
<monteslu>
Russel still gonna show?
01:28
<mwright1>
yer
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01:33
<mwright1>
he should be here
01:33
colren: have you setup?
01:34
<colren>
mwright1: on local drive
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01:38
<mwright1>
that does not make sense
01:38
ok, so what hapepns when the floppy disk is going to boot
01:38
<colren>
it borks
01:39
trying to get laptop functioning so I can chat at same time as booting
01:42
mwright1: is russel going to join us here?
01:45
<mwright1>
not until 5
01:45
he just called me
01:45
so you'll probably miss him
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01:46
<mwright1>
Your problem does not make sense
01:46
<colren>
can wait around a bit
02:08
<mwright1>
r u still around
02:09
We need to fix this first problem
02:09
colren: u there?
02:09
<colren>
yeah
02:09
gonna boot the lappie from knoppix
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02:10
<colren2>
ok
02:10
booting with the floppy
02:12
<mwright1>
..... is it picking up the kernel
02:12
<colren2>
error is "booting rom image: 1008 AX:0212 BX:2200 CX:001 DX:0100
02:12
repeats on and on....
02:12
<mwright1>
is that straight away
02:12
<colren2>
pretty much yeah
02:12
<mwright1>
there is a two stage boot
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<colren2>
it loads the flopp like it used to do with 4.2 and we know that works
02:13
then the next stage it comes up with that error
02:14
<mwright1>
filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.20.9-ltsp-1";
02:14
[root@solar2 lts]# cat /etc/dhcpd.conf |grep generic
02:14
filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.20-9-generic";
02:14
<colren2>
ok, now it has changed error
02:15
"not a valid image unable to load"
02:15
now it is repeating over and over...
02:16
<mwright1>
yer that's not a tftpboot image
02:16
I realise that now
02:16
2 secs
02:16
<colren2>
ok
02:16
<mwright1>
i have to find where in that /opt/ltsp5 the image is
02:16
I think it might be under /var/lib/tftp*
02:17
sorry /opt/ltsp5/ubuntu*/var/lib/tftp*
02:17
<colren2>
just tell me when to hit the reset
02:17
think Iv'e stuffed gru on the laptop :|
02:17
grub
02:19
<mwright1>
i'm a bit stuck
02:19
where was that webpage explaining how ubuntu feisty does it
02:19
i did a find /opt/ltsp5 -name "vmlinuz*"
02:19
and only found 1x kernel image
02:20
<colren2>
try linux-image
02:24
<mwright1>
I like this ubuntu stuff
02:24
how hard do u reckon it would be to migrate us to ubutnu
02:26
<colren2>
dunno, would have thought it to be pretty straight forward
02:26
<mwright1>
I'll try and convince russell that we've got to test with a xen instance under centos5
02:27
of ubuntu
02:27
probably need one setup even if we're going to get fedora 7 going
02:27
<colren2>
yeah, I reckon setup a xen instance with fiesty in it
02:28
ad we can work on migrating to that
02:28
then switch over
02:28
all the apps are the same level as f7 anyway
02:37
mwright1, I'm going to go
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04:03
<Envit1>
Hola a todos desde España
04:03
Hello all from Spain
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04:40
<JonNoob>
Hi everybody... Anybody knows why i can't find the file nbi.img in my edubuntu feisty server?
04:42
<Envit1>
JonNoob: I don't know, but... don't you need to create it before?
04:45
<JonNoob>
Are you thinking about ltsp-build-client ? Already done that. My server is an AMD64, so i ran sudo ltsp-build-client --arch=i386 and changed my dhcpd.conf to point at /ltsp/i386 instead of /ltsp/amd64
04:47
I just found it. didn't know it resides in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386....
04:48
So I guess my problem isn't related to a missing nbi.img file.
04:50
My problem is that my client won't boot. it hangs at the edubuntu progressbar. When i hit alt-f1 i can see it keeps contacting the dhcp to get the nbi.img. but failes with the message "rpc failed 2"
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05:14
<Envit1>
rpc sounds like NFS problem, not DHCP
05:17
<JonNoob>
I think so to. I suspect that it has something to do with my network. I have both gigabit and 100 Mbit switches and nics. I heard that the packet size of UDP is set to big, and i tried to correct it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default
05:18
But it didn't work
05:18
it just say unknown parameter when the client boots.
05:19
I inserted this string NFSOPTS="-o nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048" and also tried NFSOPTS="-o nolock,ro,proto=tcp"
05:19
<ogra>
can you paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot ?
05:19
<JonNoob>
never tried pastebot. Do I need an account for that
05:19
<ogra>
!pastebot
05:19
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
05:20
<ogra>
just go there, paste your stuff in the form ...
05:22
<ltsppbot>
"jonnoob" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/253
05:22
<JonNoob>
That was clever :-)
05:24
<ogra>
so you have a tftp server thats different from the ltsp server ?
05:25
<JonNoob>
no it i-s the same why?
05:25
<ogra>
then remove the next-server stanza from the config
05:25
<JonNoob>
ok
05:25
<ogra>
also make sure to only run one unique dhcp server in your network ....
05:26
if you run two, netbooting wont work right
05:27
<JonNoob>
i only run one dhcpserver
05:27
<ogra>
ok
05:27
DSL routers often have one etc ... its important for netbooting to have just one so i usually point it out
05:28
<JonNoob>
just tried removing next-server and restarting dhcp. Didn't help :-(
05:29
Checked my router for dhcp. Just in case i messed up :-)
05:29
<ogra>
did you follow the QuickInstall guide ?
05:29
<JonNoob>
No...
05:30
Where is that?
05:30
<ogra>
ah, no, its edubuntu, that should be set up by the server installer
05:30
so no need for that
05:30
<JonNoob>
ok
05:30
Actually the client booted fine yesterday most of the day.
05:30
<ogra>
are you using etherboot or PXE clients ?
05:30
<JonNoob>
PXE
05:31
<ogra>
got a managed switch that could block tftp or something ?
05:31
<JonNoob>
maybe.. Just checking now
05:33
just disabled all security on my managed 3com switch
05:34
Do i need to specify the client in my hosts file?
05:34
<ogra>
no
05:34
<JonNoob>
ok
05:34
<ogra>
the dhcp server should serve it the right data
05:35
edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default
05:35
and remove quiet and splash there
05:35
<JonNoob>
ok
05:35
<ogra>
see if you get any intresting errors on the scree
05:35
also check that you get the right data for rootpath etc ...
05:36
the initramfs spits that out during boot
05:36
if you have only PXE clients, you can remove the if statement (no need for nbi.img)
05:36
<JonNoob>
my pxelinux.cfg directory is located at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg
05:36
<ogra>
(from the dhcp donfig)
05:36
right, sorry, my bad
05:37
<JonNoob>
no prob.
05:38
<ogra>
which release btw ? feisty ?
05:38
<JonNoob>
i can see it is running /scripts/nfs-premount
05:38
feisty
05:39
done
05:39
rpc failed: 2
05:39
i can see it is using the nbi.img. is that wrong?
05:39
<ogra>
it shouldnt do any rpc calls, we use nfsmount with -o nolock ...
05:40
it just pulls it after its done ... only a slight waste of bandwith, its not used
05:40
(on PXE clients)
05:40
thats why i said you could just drop it from the dhcop config
05:40
*dhcp
05:40
<JonNoob>
I will try it now
05:41
<ogra>
so whats the exact error you see
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05:41
<ogra>
(beyond the rpc stuff)
05:46
<ltsppbot>
"JonNoob" pasted "error from boot" (14 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/254
05:47
<JonNoob>
at the end it tries to guess on the network 192.168.0.0 sub 255.255.255.0
05:48
<ogra>
hmm
05:49
is your nfs server up and running ?
05:49
<JonNoob>
i think so
05:49
<ogra>
it apprently gets the kernel and initramfs right ...
05:49
but cant mount the nfs root
05:50
try: sudo mount 172.16.2.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt
05:50
on the server
05:50
does that work fine ?
05:52
<JonNoob>
no error reported
05:52
<ogra>
do you see the root in /mnt ?
05:53
<JonNoob>
yes but it is empty...
05:53
<ogra>
hmm
05:53
it should show the same content as /opt/ltsp/i386
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05:54
<ogra>
(a full / of a mini system)
05:55
<JonNoob>
when i navigate to /opt/ltsp/i386/root that folder i empty, but in /opt/ltsp/i386 there is a mini system. It is just the folder root that is empty
05:55
<ogra>
yeah with root i meant the system rootfs :)
05:55
<JonNoob>
sorry.. Im a noob
05:55
<ogra>
so /mnt shows the same content ?
05:56
<JonNoob>
yes
05:56
<ogra>
ok, seems your server works so far
05:56
weird
05:56
<JonNoob>
yes
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05:58
<JonNoob>
just tried booting the client again and it seemed like it got a little longer in one of its attempts, but the text moves too fast.
06:00
<ogra>
could you try to reboot the server ?
06:00
something is wonky with the nfs server and portmap i guess
06:01
you didnt play around in /etc/hosts.allow/.deny i guess
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06:02
<JonNoob_>
sorry ogra. I pulled my eth cable out by mistake
06:02
<ogra>
could you try to reboot the server ?
06:02
something is wonky with the nfs server and portmap i guess
06:02
you didnt play around in /etc/hosts.allow/.deny i guess
06:02
<JonNoob_>
no not at all
06:03
But i did play with hosts. I set my server up to authenticate users through AD
06:03
<ogra>
that shouldnt have any effect on the boot process
06:04
its clearly an nfs problem
06:05
<JonNoob_>
Can it have anything to do with the packet size of the UDP packets? My servers NIc is 1gb and my switch is 1gb, but the client is 100mbit.
06:05
<ogra>
it shouldnt
06:05
as long as you didnt play around with the nfs settings it should wrok fine
06:06
<JonNoob_>
Well i did try to edit defaults
06:06
and insert NFSOPTS="-o nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"
06:07
but it just said wrong parameter when the client booted
06:07
<ogra>
just drop that then
06:08
nolock is used by default
06:08
ro as well
06:08
and leave the packetsize to the kernel :)
06:08
<JonNoob_>
ok..
06:08
i just saw it here bottom of the page http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
06:09
<ogra>
thats for dapper
06:09
<JonNoob_>
ohh.. ok
06:11
What about this ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/TroubleShooting
06:11
<ogra>
oh, where does that come from
06:12
<JonNoob_>
Found it by accident
06:12
But i think it is an old solution when you look at the kernelversion
06:13
<ogra>
i really really wonder why the person setting up that page didnt submit a) a single bugreport and b) didnt notify *any* of the devs ...
06:13
GRRRR !
06:13
the NFSOPTS he sets are pointless
06:13
retrans defaults to 10
06:13
and udp nfs isnt supported anymore with newer kernels
06:14
<JonNoob_>
Hmmm outdated
06:14
<ogra>
it was never different
06:14
(in ltsp5)
06:14
<JonNoob_>
strange
06:14
<ogra>
the dhcpd.conf looks fine for PXE only though
06:15
eek
06:15
<JonNoob_>
but what about the parameter "tcp" in NFSOPTS?
06:15
<ogra>
that lts.conf is pointless too, only repeating the defaults
06:15
that isnt a supported parameter
06:15
as i said, nfs defaults to tcp in newer kernels
06:16
<JonNoob_>
ohh yes.. i forgot...
06:17
<ogra>
also it shouldnt point people to initramfs.conf ... grmbl
06:17
<JonNoob_>
so we determined that it can't be the packet size. It is not tftp. it is the nfs that failes.... Can it have anything to do with the server being installed with the amd64 version?
06:17
<ogra>
ugh and what is that script for sound ... eek
06:18
<JonNoob_>
seems like somebody(noobs like me) been trying things out years ago....
06:18
<ogra>
well
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<ogra>
the only release we had without sound support out of the box was breezy
06:19
PS mice are the default since ltsp5 exists (no need for any lts.conf fiddling here)
06:20
using PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0 but then setting PRINTER_0_TYPE = P (parallel) is beyond my understanding :)
06:21
<JonNoob_>
Fun reading for an expert like you :-)
06:21
<ogra>
if they would have filed a single but they would have gotten the proper answer ... now i have to fix and clean out docs again
06:21
s/but/bug/
06:22
<JonNoob_>
Do you think my problem have anything to do with my aerver is installed with the amd64 version?
06:23
<ogra>
it shouldnt
06:23
<JonNoob_>
ok
06:23
<ogra>
did you try to reboot ?
06:24
<JonNoob_>
yes
06:24
<ogra>
no change ?
06:25
<JonNoob_>
no
06:25
are there any logs i can check?
06:26
<ogra>
/var/log/daemon.log on the server
06:26
or syslog
06:26
or messages
06:26
<JonNoob_>
ok
06:29
daemon.log just shows the dhcp sends the ip correctly several times
06:29
<ogra>
should be two times per boot attempt
06:30
<JonNoob_>
it is
06:31
<ogra>
after that you should see an nfs mount attempt somewhere
06:31
or an erooro from portmapper or so
06:31
*error
06:31* ogra is pretty much out of the nfs business since we dropped that in gutys)
06:32
<ltsppbot>
"JonNoob" pasted "end of syslog" (26 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/255
06:34
<ogra>
hmm, no requests seem to get through
06:35
there should at least be a tftp message as well in one of the logs
06:35
<JonNoob_>
nothing in messages
06:35
from the time i booted the client
06:36
<ltsppbot>
"JonNoob" pasted "end of daemon.log" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/256
06:36
<ogra>
"tftp: client does not accept options"
06:36
thats something you should see somewhere
06:37
<JonNoob_>
Cant see it in any of the log files
06:37
<ogra>
weird
06:37
especially since you get your kernel and initramfs apparently
06:38
<JonNoob_>
found it
06:39
<ltsppbot>
"JonNoob" pasted "eror" (1 line) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/257
06:46
<JonNoob_>
i going away for 5 min. Just going to try another thin client
06:46
brb
06:53
i am back
06:53
Tried another client with same result
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<JonNoob_>
can it have anything to do with ntp? just a wild guess. looking at what at changed yesterday
06:57
What about PAM or kerboros?
06:59
How do I check if tftp server is running?
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<JonNoob_>
orga are you gone?
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<mattwalston>
any idea what causes a horizontal band of black and color, one inch high to appear behind active window? turds got fixed with swcursor but not sure what is causing this artifact.
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09:17
<stevnblinux>
I have an Ubuntu Dapper Server as an LTSP server with approx. 25 thin clients (Term150). Over the past several weeks, they have been getting more and more frequent errors on client boot "Cant access TTY; Job control turned off". Can someone point me in a direction?
09:18
Only resolution so far has been to swap the client with a spare from the shelf. If we then use the swapped unit and swap with the next client to give the error, the client works again. i.e. 1 is replaced by spare. 2 is replaced by 1 and 1 works again.
09:18
<ogra>
stevnblinux, did you buy a new DSL router or something that could carry a dhcp server in it ?
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09:19
<sbalneav>
Morning
09:19
<stevnblinux>
ogra: hmmm.
09:19
<ogra>
the error is related to the client not being able to mount the root filesystem (nfs)
09:19
!s
09:19
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:19
<sbalneav>
Hey ogra
09:19
<stevnblinux>
ogra: I dont think there is anything giving dhcp other than the ltsp server. I can recheck but I dont think so.
09:20
<ogra>
thats either because of the nfs server, the network or because dhcp doesnt give the right info ... typically if you add another dhcp server that can happen
09:20
<stevnblinux>
nothing new I am aware of.
09:20
k
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<stevnblinux>
ogra: thx. I will research those and see what turns up.
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<boxrock>
can someone tell me why a login will work on console but not on thin-client?
09:43
i get prompted, but wont log-in, nothing in logs either...
09:44
<sbalneav>
What version of ltsp, and what's your server?
09:45
<boxrock>
7.04 which i think las ltsp5
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<sbalneav>
You probably need to do an ltsp-update-sshkeys
09:47
<rjune>
!s
09:47
<ltspbot`>
rjune: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
hello rjune
09:50
<boxrock>
sbalneav, great, that worked, i wonder why i didn't have to run on other servers... thanks
09:50
<sbalneav>
np
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<monteslu>
rjune, you ever make any progress with muekow on fedora?
10:06
i saw something on the fedora education list
10:12
<rjune>
monteslu: I've not had time to do crap.
10:12* rjune works 2 jobs currently
10:12
<rjune>
but I'm doing better.
10:12
it was three
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<monteslu>
rjune, better than unemployment :)
10:19
but just barely
10:21
I guess I could take a crack at muekow, but I know f-all about rpm packaging
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<cliebow>
monteslu:might want to talk to eharrison..
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<rjune>
you definately want to talk to eharrison
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10:36
<JonNoob_>
can anybody help with ltsp clients not booting. It is a problem with nfs. It runs /scripts/nfs-premount says it Done then says rpc failed: 2
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<rjune>
monteslu: 90 hour weeks killed me
10:38
brb
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<cliebow>
btw...rjune!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:41
<monteslu>
erharrison is MIA
10:42
last post on k12 is almost 2 months old
10:42
ogra said he talked to him at an ubuntu conference
10:42
maybe he's turned to the brown side
10:43
<cliebow>
we can come up with sn sddy..i know he used ananconda installer..
10:44
he was going to show off his work in S.F. but his laptop calved..
10:44
<monteslu>
i think we should just have a repo instead of a specialized distro
10:44
<cliebow>
agreed..
10:44
<monteslu>
but no one on the k12 list agreed with me
10:44
<cliebow>
but what the hay do i know...8~)
10:44
<ogra>
monteslu, thats the case ...
10:45
<monteslu>
he's turned buntu?
10:45
<ogra>
the current upstream code already cotains everything for debian and ubuntu, we expect that other distros code gets added to the central source indeed
10:45
oh, you mean instead of k12 :) sorry i misunderstood
10:46
<monteslu>
hehe. actually I was asking several questions :)
10:46
<ogra>
"<monteslu> i think we should just have a repo instead of a specialized distro" i was referring to that one thinking you mean ltsp ...
10:47
<monteslu>
oh, i meant a fedora repo for the muekow things instead of a full k12ltsp distro
10:48
the current k12beta breaks on the installer
10:48
<JonNoob_>
Anybody have an working dhcpd.conf i can look at??
10:48
<monteslu>
figured the central repo for all ltsp was just some SVN tag or something
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<cliebow>
JonNoob:want mine such as it is?
11:00
<JonNoob_>
Yes thank
11:00
<cliebow>
it is just the default...
11:00
<JonNoob_>
that is fine
11:00
just need it for reference
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<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "authoritative; subnet 192.168." (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/258
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<JonNoob_>
Thanks
11:02
Could someone please tell me where i have to change the ip on my server if i want to use a different ip-range than the default? Is it only dhcpd.conf and system-administration-network?
11:02
[17:41] ->> Channel created on 26-11-2006
11:03
<sbalneav>
JonNoob_: Yup, that's what you need
11:04
<JonNoob_>
What if i want my windows to be dhcp? Do I just stop dhcp on linux or do I have to change something else on the edubuntu box?
11:04
<cliebow>
JonNoob_, just stop dhcp and use options 17 66 67
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<sbalneav>
JonNoob_: Don't know anything about windows, so I couldn't help you there.
11:06
Haven't used it since '99 :)
11:06
<JonNoob_>
thats alright
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<hersonls>
where i found who make ltsp with my favorit distro?
11:10
<JonNoob_>
cliebow Do you have any idea to why it won't boot? I a scope and a pool with the network 172.16.0.0 sn 255.255.0.0 i made a reservation for the mac of my client. It gets to nfs mount, but says nfsmount: need a path.
11:10
<sbalneav>
Well, currently, only Debian and Ubuntu have implementations of LTSP5
11:10
I know Gentoo, OpenSuSE and Slackware all have versions they're working on.
11:10
<cliebow>
JonNoob:ubuntu/
11:11
?
11:11
<JonNoob_>
I did set option 17 66 67
11:11
edubuntu feisty amd64
11:11
root path /opt/ltsp/i386
11:11
<hersonls>
where i found about make my distro for ltsp in the ltsp site?
11:11
<sbalneav>
What distro are you interested in?
11:11
<JonNoob_>
Boot server host name 172.16.2.1
11:11
<cliebow>
so root-path is borked..add the ip
11:11
<hersonls>
slackware
11:12
<cliebow>
?
11:12
<JonNoob_>
ok
11:12
<ogra>
cliebow, wont work ...
11:12
<cliebow>
ive only done this in redhat..
11:12
<hersonls>
my friends have one project slackware ltsp
11:12
<ogra>
there is that initramfs bug ...
11:12
<cliebow>
ohhh...Balls..
11:12
<sbalneav>
hersonls: Are you from Brazil?
11:12
<hersonls>
yes
11:12
<JonNoob_>
What initramfs bug????
11:12
<sbalneav>
Check out #ltsp-br
11:12
<ogra>
you can use nfsroot="" in the PXE config with colon though
11:13
<hersonls>
ok
11:13
<ogra>
JonNoob_, if you have serverip and colon in the rootpath it wont find the root path
11:13
<hersonls>
where i found about make my distro for ltsp in the ltsp site?
11:13
<ogra>
that got fixed in gutsys initramfs-tools
11:13
<hersonls>
i see this one time, but cant found again
11:13
<JonNoob_>
ogra what do i do then?
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<ogra>
for all releases before if you want to use it like that you need to use the nfsroot kernel variable
11:14
<cliebow>
ogra:can you set DHCPPORT in option 129 ?
11:14
<ogra>
sure that would wokr as well
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<hersonls>
??
11:15
<JonNoob_>
ogra no i can't
11:15
<ogra>
JonNoob_, ??
11:15
<hersonls>
help
11:15
<cliebow>
JonNoob_, sounds like nfsroot is most straightforward
11:16
<hersonls>
in the ltsp-br no found somebody for help-me
11:16
<JonNoob_>
cliebow How do i set nfsroot?
11:16
<ogra>
add nfsroot="<ip of your server>:/opt/ltsp/i386" to the PXE config file after quiet and splash
11:16
<cliebow>
hersonls, i believe you will have to settle for ltsp4.2
11:16
<JonNoob_>
ok
11:16
<cliebow>
thanks ogra..
11:17
<JonNoob_>
i forgot where pxe config file is located?
11:17* ogra goes to do some lawn mowing while waiting for the next CD testbuild
11:17
<cliebow>
JonNoob_, try /vart/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg
11:18
<JonNoob_>
thanks
11:18
<cliebow>
p-ardon the extra t
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<JonNoob_>
Do i need to restrt some service?
11:20
<cliebow>
no i think not
11:20
<JonNoob_>
ok
11:21
it says nfsmount: can't parse IP adress '"172.16.2.1'
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<hersonls>
cliebow: settle?
11:22
<JonNoob_>
maybe there shouldn't be any "
11:23
no error anymore, but it is getting 192.168.0.132 as IP!!!
11:24
and no rootpath or filename
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<cliebow>
hersonls:there is no ltsp5 built from slackware binaries..you can set it up manually using tarballs built from ubuntu( i think)
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<monteslu>
erharrison lives!
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<cliebow>
where did you find him??
11:55
<monteslu>
he just posted to the k12 list
11:56
<cliebow>
Cool!! He is great people!
11:56
<monteslu>
not an k12ltsp7 release message though
11:56
yes he is
11:56
<cliebow>
i know he has not muekowized k12 yet..
11:57
if such a word exists
11:58
<monteslu>
sounds like a german weapon
11:58
the muekowitzer
11:58
i just bugged him about it off list, offered help
11:59
<cliebow>
i'd like to listen in if possible..
12:00
<monteslu>
I'll bring it back on list if he's interested
12:00
<cliebow>
great..
12:01
brb
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<oomph>
hello
12:47
what are good thin client recommedations?
12:48
<monteslu>
disklessworkstations.com
12:48
<cliebow>
diskless workstations is well supported 8~)
12:49
<oomph>
k
12:49
i'm looking to use this for a small internet cafe
12:49
is LTSP more focused on educational stuff
12:50
<cliebow>
edubuntu is leading the way if that helps
12:50
but ltsp can be whatever you like..
12:50
<monteslu>
fookin jammcq, why didn't he have those 119 dollar units up there a month ago
12:50
would have bought 30
12:50
<cliebow>
monteslu, the ebox?
12:50
<monteslu>
yeah
12:50
<cliebow>
4 months ago they took 4 minutes to boot
12:50
<monteslu>
errr 1000pxe thing
12:51
<cliebow>
they now boot as well as others
12:51
<oomph>
the 1000pxe mode for 119?
12:51
<cliebow>
sbalneav:how do i find out what repo has x11vnc/libvncserver?
12:52
<oomph>
is edubuntu an LTSP distro of sorts?
12:52
<cliebow>
edubuntu is a distro all by itself..
12:52
it leads the way for distros to use their own binaries with "our" bits
12:52
as glue for lrtsp
12:53
<oomph>
www.devonit.com has some decent terminals cheap
12:53
i bought one for like 150
12:53
a while back
12:53
<cliebow>
how do they work?
12:54
<oomph>
flashrom custom linux OS
12:54
or PXE boot
12:54
can connect to MS terminal or Linux
12:54
they got a few options
12:54
<cliebow>
heh i mean do they work well?
12:54
<oomph>
yeah, performance is good
12:54
had one for over 2 years no problems
12:55
<cliebow>
video auto negotiates? or do you need to specify a driver?
12:55
<oomph>
video worked fine
12:55
i only used it to connect to a MS Terminal server though
12:55
didn't PXE boot
12:56
they are reasonably priced though
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<oomph>
they got some sort of a hook up from a china manufacturer
12:56
<cliebow>
if you use them in ltsp report your findings..im pretty sure others have used it.
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<oomph>
i got one in a lab they i intend to pick up
12:56
and experiment with
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<oomph>
i'm still rather new to LTSP so still reading up on how I can apply it to use
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<cliebow>
well the guys that write it are here most of the time
12:57
<oomph>
which one of these models from diskless workstations would be well suited for an internet cafe?
12:58
i'll probably buy one to test with
12:58
<cliebow>
id think any..disklessworkstations pays part of the salary to support ltsp..so they get first shoit at support
12:58
<mistik1>
It probaly depends on what you want to offer in your cafe
13:01
<oomph>
just basic internet access
13:01
mozilla, chat programs
13:01
<cliebow>
sound?
13:01
<oomph>
(kopete)
13:01
<cliebow>
usb?
13:02
<oomph>
yeah, sound
13:02
possibly usb if I want webcams or soemthing
13:02
lots of skype users
13:03
<monteslu>
usb more likely for thumbdrives, don't know if anyone is using remote webcams on thin clients
13:03
someone's probably figured it out though :)
13:05
<oomph>
yeah, good point on the thumb drives
13:06
does skype work well on it?
13:06
what linux distro do you guys currently run LTSP on?
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<cliebow>
i have rhel4 in production and edu/x/ubuntu
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<monteslu>
im likely going with k12ltsp based on centos5 now
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<cliebow>
ive run it on libranet long ago
13:09
<monteslu>
really wanted fedora+muekow, but that'll have to be next summer
13:10
<oomph>
cliebow what does K12LTSP offer that edu/x/ubunto does not?
13:11
<cliebow>
K12 is still ltsp4.2
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<cliebow>
eharrison has some pretty cool scripts in there..to set it up properly
13:12
but i have never used K12
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<oomph>
http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html says its based on Fedora not CENT OS
13:15
<cliebow>
yes..
13:15
<monteslu>
cliebow, eharrison got back with me. He has a new k12 build announcement later this week, just burried in work right now
13:16
<cliebow>
cool..thanks for passing that on..say Howdy for me if you talk with him..
13:16
<oomph>
i assume k12 is more focused for schools
13:16
is it multi-lingual?
13:16
<cliebow>
yes..gcompris..the tuxxes
13:16
oomph, not real sure..
13:16
<monteslu>
he is doing some things on muekow as well, I'm gonna bug the fedora-dev list to make it a priority
13:17
ubunut is really whipping fedora's ass with regards to thin clients
13:17
ubuntu rather
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<oomph>
cliebow what do you use your server for? school?
13:17
<monteslu>
can never spell that correctly
13:18
<cliebow>
yeah..one k-8 school uses it pretty much exclusively
13:18
ohh 75 terminals in this high school..
13:18
ten in the middle school
13:18
and in 3-5
13:18
ten'
13:19
<oomph>
wow, that's great
13:19
<cliebow>
im losing "market share" cause my old wreck thinclients wont boot a 2.6 kernel
13:19
so somewhat orphaned
13:19
<oomph>
i didn't quite get your answer... what is the main difference pros/cons between using K12LTSP and EDubuntu?
13:20
<cliebow>
not sure i can answer that..
13:20
<monteslu>
I'm only still partial to k12 because of misplaced loyalty to redhat/fedora :)
13:20
<oomph>
LTSP itself can be loaded on any distribution, right?
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<cliebow>
K12 is based on Fedora..most of the development is from Ubuntu
13:21
Ubuntu is So mush easier to keep updated...to me
13:21
<monteslu>
apparently ltsp5 requires more working with the distro developers than ltsp4-2 did
13:22
<cliebow>
that is the point really..
13:22
<oomph>
yeah, most my linux exp is using debian
13:22
<cliebow>
ltsp5 is the first distro to use their own binaries to build the "chroot"
13:22
<oomph>
so ubuntu maybe a good choice for me
13:23
<cliebow>
vagrantc is porting to debian..and very involved
13:24
<oomph>
so if i download ltsp directly from the site
13:24
i can run it on any linux distro?
13:24
<cliebow>
we do have tarballs for that
13:24
<vagrantc>
yeah, but you'll likely have troubles with some features, like local devices and soudn
13:24
<oomph>
edubuntu and k12 are just pre-made distro's with it all loaded, correct?
13:24
<vagrantc>
!tarball
13:24
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "tarball" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5TarballInstructions
13:24
<vagrantc>
really, you want it integrated into your preferred distro
13:25
<oomph>
the only distros that have it integrated are ubunto and fedora?
13:25
<vagrantc>
no
13:25
<cliebow>
not fedora
13:25
<oomph>
oh
13:25
<vagrantc>
fedora hasn't done anything as far as we can tell
13:25
<oomph>
edubunto is one though, correct?
13:25
<cliebow>
and debian 8~)
13:25
<oomph>
whats the site for debian?
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<vagrantc>
ubuntu did the original implementation, and debian was soon to follow
13:26
!debian
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<vagrantc>
we've worked closely together.
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<oomph>
so i can basically just apt-get it to install it
13:27
<cliebow>
oomph, gutsy is using an nbd mounted chroot image so the server side could be aproblem if you tweak anything..
13:27
<oomph>
then configure my apps
13:27
cliebow who is gutsy?
13:27
<cliebow>
let vagrantc answer that one
13:27
<oomph>
heh
13:27
<cliebow>
gutsy is ubuntu to come out in Oct
13:28
<vagrantc>
yeah, i'm not enthused about the switch to NBD
13:28
<oomph>
sorry, for all the questions. I appreciate the patience. I just wanna make a good decision on where to start
13:28
<vagrantc>
but it gave a huge performance boost
13:30
<oomph>
vagrantc : so once I apt-get install the LTSP from a repository. I then have to configure and install individual applications?
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<cliebow>
oomph, all you are getting is a desktop on your server ..on the client
13:30
so what is installed in server is available to client
13:30
<vagrantc>
oomph: typically, you install the ltsp packages, build the LTSP environment, and install the applications you want on your server.
13:31
<oomph>
gotcha
13:31
by building the LTSP environment you mean defining the applications and settings, correct?
13:31
<vagrantc>
there's really simple howto's for debian and ubuntu
13:31
oomph: read the HOWTOs
13:31
<oomph>
reading it now
13:32
http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
13:32
is this all i need to read? or is there a more extensive howto that im missing
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<vagrantc>
that's all you'd need, really.
13:33
<oomph>
k
13:33
i see a reference for your branch
13:33
13:33
[WWW] http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr-archives/ltsp/vagrant-main/
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<ogra>
vagrantc, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS see the bottom
13:44
if you are fine to go on maitaining nfsroot i wont complain :)
13:46
<oomph>
This would probably work http://openkiosk.sourceforge.net/work.htm
13:46
ill have to try it with LTSP
13:46* vagrantc is working on a new upstream release of sdm
13:47
<ogra>
oho!
13:47
you dotn like scotties new ldm ?
13:48
<vagrantc>
haven't had a chance to get it to work.
13:48
<ogra>
weird
13:48
<vagrantc>
but the way freegeek does things, it's clear it will be a long time before LDM is feature-complete from freegeek's perspective
13:48
<ogra>
even th second iteration doesnt make any probs in ubuntu
13:48
well, whats missing from your pov ?
13:49
sbalneav merged the server selection code yesterday afaik
13:49
autologin and proper user feedback are working
13:49
<vagrantc>
having different defaults for anonymous users
13:49
key-based autologin ?
13:49
<ogra>
nope
13:49
user based for now
13:49
key based will be gutsy+1
13:50
i want a rocking ltsp in the next ubuntu LTS release gutsy shall just prepare the ground
13:50
<vagrantc>
basically, freegeek has an environment where there is key-based autologin support, which logs into one server, and if you specify a user, it logs into a different server.
13:50
<ogra>
sadly i didnt manage the ltspfs hal integration for gutsy ... its just not enough time
13:50
<vagrantc>
specified users use password login
13:50
<ogra>
well, send a patch
13:51
shouldnt be to hard on the base we have now
13:51
<vagrantc>
it's much easier to maintain working code than to patch code i can't even get the most basic functionality out of at the moment
13:51
<ogra>
surely easier than maintaining a whole extra packge
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<ogra>
i really dont understand why it doesnt work for you
13:51
<vagrantc>
nor do it
13:51
i
13:52
<ogra>
there isnt any difference i this area between ubuntu and debian /me thinks
13:52
<vagrantc>
the code is entirely over my head, so patches are not likely to come from me
13:53
<ogra>
:(
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<krotaz>
hello
14:01
sbalneav are you there???
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<cliebow>
ogra:i added universe to chroot sources.list to pick up x11vnc..what did i break?
14:03
<ogra>
nothing :)
14:03
thas the way to do it
14:03
<cliebow>
i have your April x11vnchowto..prob that needs to be added tro it
14:04
<ogra>
yeah
14:05
<cliebow>
now gotta get st-control-panel working..
14:05
<krotaz>
hi guys I've a problem, after the client loads from network a series os messages appears, then the ubuntu logo and then a black screen with the prompt but there it freezes
14:06
<cliebow>
my guess.your x is not starting?
14:06
<krotaz>
if I put CTRL + ALT + F1 A NFS over tcp not found error appears
14:11
the exact error is NFS OVER TCP NOT AVAILABLE FROM 192.168.0.1
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<cliebow>
o.1 is your server??
14:12
<krotaz>
yes
14:13
<cliebow>
netstat -anp|grep ":2049" show nfs running on server?
14:13
<krotaz>
iI found that the most problable reason is that I don't have the nfs-kernel-modules installed but I've it
14:13
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -
14:13
udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* -
14:13
that's the answer to that netstat
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<cliebow>
looks fine...
14:14
<krotaz>
yes
14:14
<cliebow>
grep root-path /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
14:15
<krotaz>
option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
14:15
<cliebow>
looks fine
14:16
<krotaz>
shold I restart the nfs kernel server???
14:17
<cliebow>
showmount -e
14:18
<krotaz>
showmount: can't get address for dual-core
14:18
dual-core is the server's name
14:18
<cliebow>
something about nfs is borked then huh?
14:19
<krotaz>
I restarthed the nfs-kernel-server and this line caught me
14:19
<cliebow>
showmount -e should show your nfs mounts
14:19
<krotaz>
Exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...
14:19
exportfs: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "*:/opt/ltsp".
14:20
<cliebow>
lets google thjat
14:21
<krotaz>
the thing is that in the second line it seems to point to /opt/ltsp and it should be to /opt/ltsp/i386 or not???
14:21
<cliebow>
shouldnt matter
14:22
<krotaz>
by the way my client network card isn't a PXE capable so I had to creat a iso CD
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<krotaz>
don't know if this could be a problem
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<cliebow>
http://bugs.skolelinux.no/show_bug.cgi?id=1167
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<krotaz>
this is my line /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
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<krotaz>
you should excuse me stupidity but I don't know what to do
14:33
<cliebow>
krotaz, also seems fine..this is ubuntu?if so perhaps ogra will know
14:33
<krotaz>
ograaaaaaaaaaaaa :)
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<krotaz>
hope he's available
14:37
<vagrantc>
the subtree_check warnings shouldn't matter
14:38
krotaz: can you mount NFS from the server ?
14:38
<cliebow>
showmount seesm borked
14:39
<krotaz>
at this moment in the line /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
14:40
<vagrantc>
mount SERVERNAME:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
14:40
<krotaz>
I added a subtree_check command
14:40
<vagrantc>
er
14:40
mount -o ro,nolockSERVERNAME:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
14:40* vagrantc can't type
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<vagrantc>
mount -o ro,nolock SERVERNAME:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
14:41
<cliebow>
would you like to buy a vowel?
14:41
<krotaz>
so i get like this /opt/ltsp *(subtree_check,ro,no_root_squash,async)
14:41
vowel???
14:41
<cliebow>
no sorry..
14:44
<krotaz>
vagrantc should I return the line to the original one or left it as it's right now?
14:45
<vagrantc>
krotaz: shouldn't make any difference
14:45
<krotaz>
ok
14:45
<vagrantc>
krotaz: does this work: mount -o ro,nolock SERVERNAME:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
14:46
krotaz: run from the server ...
14:46
<krotaz>
If i put
14:47
mount -o ro,nolock dual-core:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt where dual-core is the server's name
14:47
I get this error
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<krotaz>
no se puede obtener la dirección para dual-core
14:47
<vagrantc>
krotaz: try it with 127.0.0.1
14:47
<krotaz>
wich means that can't get the adress for dual core
14:47
<vagrantc>
instead of server
14:48
<krotaz>
if I put 192.168.0.1 instead of the dual-core (that's the server ip) i get
14:48
<vagrantc>
krotaz: entiendo :)
14:48
<krotaz>
mount to NFS server '192.168.0.1' failed: server is down.
14:48
<vagrantc>
krotaz: how about 127.0.0.1 ?
14:48
<krotaz>
mexican o latin american vagrant???
14:48
<vagrantc>
norte americano
14:49
<krotaz>
ok
14:49
<vagrantc>
studied a little in guatemala
14:49
<krotaz>
if I put 127.0.0.1 no error message
14:49
<vagrantc>
does it mount properly ?
14:49
i.e. are there files in /mnt ?
14:50
<krotaz>
i put ls /mnt and the result is i386
14:50
so it mounted good
14:50
<vagrantc>
ok.
14:50
so NFS is fine, your networking is messed up
14:50
<krotaz>
ok
14:50
the dhcp.conf file???
14:51
<vagrantc>
you sure that 192.168.0.1 is your server ?
14:51
<krotaz>
by the way I just tryed again an I get this error in the ctrl +alt +f1 console of the client
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<krotaz>
rootserver / 192.168.0.1 roothpath /opt/ltsp/i386
14:52
<vagrantc>
krotaz: you sure that 192.168.0.1 is your server ?
14:52
<krotaz>
filename /ltsp/i386.pxelinux.0
14:52
connect: connection refused
14:52
<vagrantc>
krotaz: you sure that 192.168.0.1 is your server ?
14:52
<krotaz>
read: connection refused
14:52
<vagrantc>
krotaz: you sure that 192.168.0.1 is your server ?
14:52
<krotaz>
and this las error loops
14:52
yes thats the ip
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<vagrantc>
krotaz: could you paste the output of: ifconfig
14:53
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
14:53
<krotaz>
inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 from the ifconfig
14:54
<vagrantc>
krotaz: you have a firewall on your server ?
14:54
<ltsppbot>
"krotaz" pasted "the ifconfig output" (50 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/259
14:54
<krotaz>
done
14:54
no
14:54
but in the middle of the server and the client I've a linksys router
14:54
<vagrantc>
krotaz: what's all the vmnet stuff ?
14:54
<krotaz>
with the dhcp disabled
14:55
the vmnet stuff is created when you install VMWARE
14:55
<vagrantc>
but the server and client are not VMWARE instances ?
14:55
<krotaz>
no
14:55
2 physical pc's
14:55
<vagrantc>
ok.
14:56
<krotaz>
do you want my dchp.conf file??
14:57
<vagrantc>
if you can't mount by ip from the server itself, then it's not going to matter what dhcp says
14:58
<krotaz>
mmm ok
15:04
the router has a "firewall" but I belive it only works for the internet connection
15:04
should I disable it???
15:05
forget the question
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<vagrantc>
go ahead and post your dhcpd.conf
15:06
and is DHCP running on your router ?
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<krotaz>
no only on the server
15:07
how do I post the dhcpd conf file???
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<cliebow>
pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
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<cliebow>
vagrantc:any trick to getting a root pw in chroot? i sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 and passwd root
15:09
<ltsppbot>
"krotaz" pasted "dhcpd.conf file" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/260
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<cliebow>
all seems ok..but no login
15:09
krotaz, you dont really have a range there
15:10
<krotaz>
the client takes only that ip
15:10
<cliebow>
seems ok
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<krotaz>
the thing is that as vagrantc said I can't mount nfs by ip only by the loop back
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<cliebow>
that router is in the middle?
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<oomph>
anyone know of any internet cafe management software that works with LTSP terminals?
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<sbalneav>
I had written some stuff aeons ago, but it's been unmaintained for 5 years.
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<sbalneav>
Everyone seems to want "Cafe management" software, but no one seems to be able to define exactly WHAT they want, and what some limits are, so a reasonable spec can be come up with.
15:24
krotaz: You were looking for me?
15:24
<krotaz>
jejej
15:24
yes buddy
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<oomph>
sbalneav just something that will manage time and define application settings
15:25
<sbalneav>
"just"
15:25
<oomph>
sorta like that http://openkiosk.sourceforge.net/ss.htm
15:25
i'm not a dev, just a user :)
15:26
<vagrantc>
most of the cafes around here just let you use the computers the same way you use the tables and chairs.
15:26
very simple management.
15:26
<sbalneav>
Well, someone's gotta do some programming on it.
15:26
<krotaz>
sbalneav yesterday problem of the TFTP open timeout was as you said the $@%&ing vmware
15:26
<sbalneav>
Personally, I've got zero interest on it.
15:26
krotaz: So it was vmware?
15:26
<krotaz>
now the nfs seems to be the problem
15:27
if I put sudo mount -o ro,nolock 192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/ /mnt
15:27
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: the server will mount NFS with 127.0.0.1 ... but not with 192.168.0.1
15:27
<krotaz>
mount to NFS server '192.168.0.1' failed: server is down
15:27
thanks vagrantc
15:27
<sbalneav>
Gee, wonder what the chances are this is another vmware problem?
15:27
<vagrantc>
so NFS is working, but networking is broken.
15:27* sbalneav thinks
15:27
<sbalneav>
Hmm, I'd say "100%"
15:27
<krotaz>
no sbalnev vmware no more
15:28
now 2 physical pc's
15:28
<sbalneav>
Ah, well, that's different.
15:28
<krotaz>
yes
15:28
<vagrantc>
though one of them has vmware installed
15:28
<Gadi>
sudo mii-tool eth0
15:28
<vagrantc>
wonder if that messes with anything beyond the scope of vmware
15:28
<sbalneav>
How is vmware involved here?
15:28
<vagrantc>
such as setting up strange routing or firewalling or something
15:29
<krotaz>
when you install vmware it creates a vmnet
15:29
<sbalneav>
is something, anything running under vmware?
15:29
<krotaz>
but only for vmware
15:29
no
15:29
no thing
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<Gadi>
sudo mii-tool eth0
15:29
<krotaz>
that's for mi gadi???
15:29
<sbalneav>
krotaz: Do what gadi says.
15:29
<Gadi>
maybe, what does it say when you type it?
15:29
:)
15:29
<sbalneav>
hey gadi
15:29
<Gadi>
hey
15:30
sorry - i catch bits of the conversation
15:30
:)
15:30
just being my usual pesty self
15:30
<krotaz>
SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported
15:31* Gadi thinks eth0 is not a real interface
15:31
<Gadi>
ifconfig -a|grep ^eth
15:31
what interfaces do you see?
15:31* vagrantc gets the same error message
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<ltsppbot>
"krotaz" pasted "ifconfig output" (36 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/261
15:32
<krotaz>
thats the ifconfig output gadi
15:33
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:F3:9D:86:00
15:33
the output of your command
15:33* Gadi thinks ifconfig is lying
15:33
<Gadi>
did you put the "sudo" in front of mii-tool?
15:34
<krotaz>
yes
15:34
<Gadi>
can you ping 192.168.0.1?
15:34
<krotaz>
PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
15:34
64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.030 ms
15:34
<Gadi>
ah, you get booted as far as nfs...
15:34
make sure you are not blocking udp
15:34
<krotaz>
yes
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<Gadi>
and that your switch is not either
15:35
<krotaz>
how do I do that?? sorry I'm n00b
15:35
<vagrantc>
tftp downloads over udp ...
15:35
and obviously is getting that far
15:35
<Gadi>
ah
15:35
right
15:35
what kind of switch is it?
15:35
<vagrantc>
as well as the initial DHCP request
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<krotaz>
it's a linsys router wrt54g
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<vagrantc>
and NFS is now tcp ...
15:36
<krotaz>
linksys sorry
15:36
<Gadi>
hmm...
15:37
<krotaz>
a frien tells me that it could be because nfs is just configured to listen the local host and not the 0.0.0.0
15:37
<Gadi>
iptables -F
15:37
then, try mounting 192.168.0.1 with nfs
15:37
that could be too
15:37
<vagrantc>
krotaz: no, your /etc/exports is listening to anything
15:38
<krotaz>
withthe 192.168.0.1 ip I get an error that says that the server is down
15:38
the sudo iptables -F returns nothing
15:39
gadi: /opt/ltsp *(subtree_check,ro,no_root_squash,async) the line of the /etc/exports and as vagrantc said it's listening to anything
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<krotaz>
any ideas??
15:51
<sbalneav>
Why are you using the tcp transport method for nfs?
15:53
<krotaz>
because the ubuntu configured it automatically
15:54
and as I read nfs runs over tcp as well as in udp
15:54
<sbalneav>
Ubuntu comes automatically with udb
15:54
udp, sorry
15:55
Paste your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot
15:55
<krotaz>
ok
15:55
<vagrantc>
tcp is the only supported transport method in both ubuntu and debian LTSP 5 implementations
15:56
<ltsppbot>
"krotaz" pasted "dhcpd.conf file" (16 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/262
15:56
<vagrantc>
klibc only supports NFS over tcp, which is what initramfs-tools uses
15:58
<sbalneav>
wha?
15:58
We're not using udp?
15:58
<krotaz>
no
15:58
<vagrantc>
that's my understanding
15:58
<krotaz>
tcp
15:58
<sbalneav>
huh, news to me
15:58
ok
15:59
<vagrantc>
it was an easy change to miss, since 95% of the time there's nothing to notice :)
15:59
<sbalneav>
What does your lts.conf file look like?
16:00
<vagrantc>
we keep askig krotaz to paste the same things over and over again
16:00
<krotaz>
[default]
16:00
sound, localdev and ndb are true
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syslog = server
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<sbalneav>
You're server's not on the default 192.168.0.254
16:01
you got a SERVER = line?
16:01
<vagrantc>
defaul SERVER is guessed from the NFS mount
16:02
krotaz: which linux distro and LTSP version are you running ?
16:02
<krotaz>
I read thath te default is the .0.1
16:02
<sbalneav>
no
16:02
<krotaz>
ubuntu 7.04 ltsp 5
16:02
<sbalneav>
Where'd you read that?
16:02
put a SERVER = 192.168.0.1 line in lts.conf
16:02* vagrantc is pretty sure the default is not .0.254 in LTSP 5
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<krotaz>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
16:03
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: krotaz isn't even getting to the point where lts.conf is read ...
16:03
<krotaz>
Configure your spare interface for the thin clients to have the IP 192.168.0.1,
16:03
<sbalneav>
By default, an unconfigured interface get a .254
16:03
<vagrantc>
??
16:04
<sbalneav>
Mine here gets .254
16:04
<krotaz>
the configure line I wrote is a line from the link obove
16:04
yes but I'm not getting to the lts.conf part
16:05* vagrantc stops claiming to know ubuntu's networking insanity
16:05
<sbalneav>
phht
16:05
<krotaz>
I get a nfs over tcp not availale from 192.168.0.1
16:05
<sbalneav>
What kind of hardware do you have for the switch?
16:05
<krotaz>
linksys wrt54g
16:06
<sbalneav>
So, how many ports you got? 4?
16:06
<krotaz>
but it's not blocking tcp cause the client gets the ip
16:06
yes
16:06
client it's on port 4 server on port 1
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<sbalneav>
invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server stop
16:07
invoke-rc.d portmap stop
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invoke-rc.d portmap start
16:08
invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server start
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<krotaz>
done
16:09
<sbalneav>
Make sure there's nothing in hosts.allow or hosts.deny
16:10
<krotaz>
the portmap conf file must have something uncommented
16:10
like this line
16:10
OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1"
16:11
it seems that it must be commented :S
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<sbalneav>
Did you uncomment that?
16:12
<krotaz>
jajaj bingo
16:12
<sbalneav>
That will do it.
16:12
<krotaz>
seems to be
16:12
hold on I'l change to the client
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<vagrantc>
egads.
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<krotaz_thin>
aleluya
16:16
aleluya
16:16
finally this thing worked
16:17
now I'm connected from my thin client
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<vagrantc>
i'll have to remember that one. i've seen that error on occasion and wondered what would cause it.
16:17
<krotaz_thin>
me tu
16:17
me too
16:17
and that portmap said
16:17
<vagrantc>
seen, as in seen other people encountering it
16:17
<krotaz_thin>
that if you want to only listen the 127.0.0.1 port you have to uncomment that line
16:17
great :)
16:22
well guys thank you very much
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<lns>
So who can tell me if LDM will ever utilize login photos? mmm? ;) Sounds like fun, right?
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<vagrantc>
lns: file a bug
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<lns>
vagrantc, thanks! I think I will, this would be an awesome feature...along with theming (although I think that's already possible)
17:01
<vagrantc>
themeing is possible, though inelegant
17:02* vagrantc notices that ltsp-update-kernels should actually call the chrooted code when possible
17:03
<vagrantc>
works fine with defaults, but if you want to configure things differently, you have to maintain your differences in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-kernels.conf as well as /opt/ltsp/*/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
17:04
<sbalneav>
lns: I have no plans for login photos at the moment.
17:04
Perhaps in a future rev
17:12
It would be extremely hard anyway, given the nature of ldm.
17:13
As when the greeter's up, it really has no idea as to what logins are on that box.
17:13
Or even what box it's going to log into.
17:13
vagrantc: Had any luck getting ldm going in Debian?
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: haven't tried for a while.
17:22
sbalneav: been busy switching freegeek over to LTSP
17:22
<sbalneav>
Cool
17:22
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: should be done within a couple days, i'm guessing.
17:23
it was easiest to just use sdm with LTSP.
17:24
which has spurned my desire to release a new sdm :)
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<vagrantc>
just need to port gadi's direct session stuff, add a couple tweaks for localdev and sound ... tada!
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<BlackDark>
hi
17:43
anyone use the terms ltsp1220 with ubuntu edgy ?
17:43
just got my terminals, and the kernel panics at boot
17:43
so what can I do to solve the problem ?
17:46
<sbalneav>
Hmm, booting pxe or etherboot?
17:46
<BlackDark>
pxe
17:46
<sbalneav>
WHere does it panic?
17:47
<BlackDark>
I think after trying to boot the kernel
17:48
<sbalneav>
in the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386//pxelinux.cfg/
17:48
dir
17:48
sorry
17:48
look at the "default" file, and take out the "quiet splash"
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<sbalneav>
and reboot. Lets see if we can narrow it down a bit more.
17:51
<BlackDark>
kernel boots but i can't see where it hangs, I can't scroll up the screen
17:51
do I have to setup something in the bios of the terminal ?
17:52
<sbalneav>
Shouldn't
17:52
<BlackDark>
kernel is 2.6.17-10-386
17:53
it used to work with other terminal and regular pc working as terminal
17:53
<sbalneav>
Seems about right for edgy.
17:53
so it's just quit working?
17:53
<BlackDark>
server runs 2.6.17-12
17:54
with the 1220 it's the first time I try it
17:54
I just received the terms 1220 actually
17:54
<sbalneav>
jammcq's not around, so we can't ask him if he knows anything.
17:55
I've got a lot of the other dw.com stuff, but I don't have that model.
17:55
Eric Tayak may know.
17:55
<BlackDark>
is he around ?
17:55
<sbalneav>
he's not online, try giving diskless a call, hopefully he's on phones today.
17:56
Also, lets try this
17:56
put "vga=791" on the "default" file kernel line
17:57
that will put the video in a higher res, we may get more stuff on the screen.
17:57
wait
17:57
You got a 64 bit server?
17:57
<BlackDark>
no
17:57
it's an 32 bits amd
17:58
<sbalneav>
ah, ok, thought you might have a 64 bit server, and just done a ltsp-build-client, without --arch i386
17:58
you'll get a 64 bit chroot :)
17:58
try the vga bit, lets see if we can get more info.
17:59
<BlackDark>
umm the screen doesn't like the video res
17:59
it's a tft 15'
17:59
<sbalneav>
ah, ok
17:59
too high for that screen.
18:00
<BlackDark>
if I launch again ltsp-build-client, is he going to rebuild a kernel matching the running kernel on the server ?
18:00
don't think so
18:00
<sbalneav>
Well, remember that you can update the chroot without rebuilding it.
18:00
sudo -i
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<sbalneav>
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
18:01
mount -t proc proc /proc
18:01
apt-get update
18:01
apt-get upgrade
18:01
then when done,
18:01
umount /proc
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exit
18:01
then you're out of the chroot
18:01
<BlackDark>
ok got the error
18:02
<sbalneav>
then ltsp-update-kernels
18:02
<BlackDark>
unable to handle kernel null pointer
18:02
<sbalneav>
excellent
18:02
Hmmm
18:02
wierd
18:02
<BlackDark>
just after bypassing via 8237 apic deassert message
18:03
<sbalneav>
yeah, try updating the chroot, maybe a new kernel will fix it.
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<sbalneav>
ohh
18:03
try "noapic" on the default file for pxelinux.cfg
18:03
maybe it doesn't like the apic
18:05
<BlackDark>
no it doesnt help
18:06
let's try the updates
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<BlackDark>
strange
18:13
when I launch ltsp-update-kernels it's updating with 2.17-10
18:14
but the host runs 2.6.17-12
18:14
the man page of ltsp-update-kernels says it's gonna use the running kernel of the host
18:14
<sbalneav>
did you apt-get update the chroot?
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<BlackDark>
yes I did
18:15
<sbalneav>
It pulls the kernel from there.
18:15
hmm
18:15
Did the chroot download a new kernel?
18:15
<BlackDark>
yes
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<BlackDark>
I think the 1220 doesn't like the 2.6.17 kernel for some reason
18:17
<sbalneav>
hmm, wierd.
18:18
Got a feisty box you could test on?
18:18
<BlackDark>
not here
18:18
I would love to test with an another kernel
18:19
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63134
18:19
found this
18:21
ok I got something
18:21
acpi=force
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<BlackDark>
good it works now
18:25
sbalneav, thanks for your help !!!
18:26
<sbalneav>
No problem!
18:26
Glad I could
18:26
<BlackDark>
term is quite fast
18:26
and it's only use the vesa driver
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<lns>
sbalneav, is there any good documentation on how ldm works internally (besides the code)? I'm interested in learning more and possibly helping out with it
18:58
<sbalneav>
Not really, as we're actively re-writing it at the moment.
18:58
But I can give you a thumbnail sketch
18:58
ldm launches
18:58
presents greeter
18:58
greeter collects username, password
18:58
attempts ssh login to assigned host.
18:59
So, before it gets a userid and password, it's running on the local terminal.
18:59
Know any C?
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<jammcq>
hey all
22:12* vagrantc waves
22:12
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
22:12
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:12
<sbalneav>
Fellow was in here before having trouble with the 1220
22:13
<jammcq>
hmm, sorry to hear that
22:13
<sbalneav>
I suspected it may be a problem with acpi, I suggested noacpi
22:13
Turns out acpi=force fixes the problem
22:13
FYI
22:13
<jammcq>
hmm, the 1220's are pretty solid, other than video issues
22:13
haven't heard of any problems with acpi on those
22:13
<sbalneav>
It was on an edgy kernel.
22:15
Hey check this out.
22:15* sbalneav is listening to: Pink Floyd - What Do You Want From Me [Pulse (Disc 1)]
22:15
<jammcq>
heh, got your player integrated with gaim ?
22:15
<sbalneav>
xchat
22:15
<jammcq>
ah, cool
22:16
<sbalneav>
whiprush pointed me at a script, but it was for the old corba method.
22:16
<jammcq>
whiprush has his integrated with IM, so I can see what he's listening too
22:16
<sbalneav>
rb now uses dbus,
22:16
so I fixed it :)
22:16
I can next and previous songs too.
22:17
Dunno how much use it is, but hey: I learned something :)
22:19
<jammcq>
I need to learn about scripting my irssi sessions
22:39* sbalneav is listening to: Pink Floyd - Hey You [Pulse (Disc 1)]
22:55* sbalneav is listening to: Steely Dan - Gaslighting Abbie [Two Against Nature]
23:10* jammcq is wondering if we're gonna see constant announcements about what music sbalneav is listening to
23:11
<sbalneav>
Yeah, cuz, 3's like, constant.
23:12
<jammcq>
oh jeez, did I actually SAY that? I was just thinking it :)
23:19* jammcq wonders if somebody is maybe a little *grumpy* today ?
23:19
<jammcq>
Hmmmmmmmm ?
23:22
<sbalneav>
uhhh
23:23
<jammcq>
:)
23:23
just messin with ya
23:23
or did I hit upon something? Hmmmmmm ?
23:24
btw, we dropped by Gadi's office today
23:24
he's got a pretty cool operation going on there
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