IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 18 June 2012   (all times are UTC)

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05:19
<Pecker>
Im trying to install ltsp client on a separate /opt partition in ubuntu 10.04, but it fails with a permission denied message
05:21
<muppis>
Shoudl be drwxr-xr-x
05:22
<Pecker>
for which foldeR?
05:22
<muppis>
For /opt
05:23
<Pecker>
hmm its set to drwxrwxrwx
05:23
woudl that cause problems?
05:23
<muppis>
Not really.
05:23
Are you building as root?
05:24
<Pecker>
tried sudo and sudo su, same difference
05:24
<alkisg>
What's the exact command and error message?
05:24
<muppis>
Put them to pastebin.
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05:24
<Pecker>
i posted in the ubuntu forums here:
05:24
http://http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12035693
05:25
ingore the idiot replyer on there right now who cant give a straight answer
05:26
<alkisg>
E: Cannot install into target '/opt/ltsp/i386' mounted with noexec or nodev
05:26
Mount your partition without specifying noexec/nodev
05:28
<Pecker>
fstab specifices 'user,defaults' for the /opt partition
05:28
specifies*
05:28
<alkisg>
user implies nodev etc
05:28
And, is it ext4?
05:28
<Pecker>
yeah ext4
05:28
<alkisg>
OK, remove the user part then
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05:32
<Pecker>
ok
05:32
ah u quit
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06:19
<Hyperbyte>
Good morning. :)
06:31
<alkisg>
Καλημέρα
06:32
<Hyperbyte>
?
06:32
What? :P
06:33
<alkisg>
Goedemorgen :)
06:33
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, you were writing Greek. :P It shows properly on the IRC logs. :)
06:33
<- non UTF-8 terminal. :)
06:33
<alkisg>
Your IRC client / terminal sucks
06:33
<Hyperbyte>
08:31 <alkisg> ????????
06:33
<alkisg>
:D
06:33
<Hyperbyte>
Hahahahahah
06:33
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, upgrade yourself. :D
06:33
<Hyperbyte>
Well I have recently switched IRC clients
06:34
Talk Greek one more time?
06:35
<alkisg>
Ο Hyperbyte είναι δουλευταράς :D
06:35
<muppis>
Whoa. Google Translator translates it correctly.
06:35
<Hyperbyte>
Hah...
06:35
<alkisg>
(now you need to go figure out what I said for you :P)
06:35
<Hyperbyte>
That shows... garbled admittedly, but it does show.
06:36
alkisg, Google translate doesn't take with that 2nd word. I give up.
06:36
I bet it's something mean. :'(
06:37
<alkisg>
Hehe nah I said you're a hard working fellow
06:37
<Hyperbyte>
Awwwe
06:37* Hyperbyte hugs alkisg
06:37
<alkisg>
3 jobs? You make all Greeks seem lazy... :D
06:37
<Hyperbyte>
And my own company! ;-)
06:37
But I've decided it's wise for me not to do my own administration.
06:40
<muppis>
This could be easy..
06:40* muppis
06:40
<alkisg>
muppis: nope, not UTF8 capable
06:40
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, huh?
06:40
<alkisg>
(09:40:14 πμ) ***muppis on laiska ja hyv? jos p?rj?? yhdess? ty?paikassa.
06:41
Those are not utf8 chars
06:41
<Hyperbyte>
Hah
06:41
For me it shows
06:41
Your terminal and your IRC client suck.
06:41
<alkisg>
Yes because you're using a fallback charset
06:41
<Hyperbyte>
:P
06:41
<muppis>
Then it's ISO-8859-15
06:41
<alkisg>
Right, which isn't right for IRC :)
06:41
<Hyperbyte>
ISO-8859 is far superiour to UTF-8.
06:42
<muppis>
My terminal is set to UTF-8.
06:42
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, your terminal and IRC client both need to set to it.
06:42
<alkisg>
True... I'll be using that from now on then, and I'll only be talking in Greek as it's superior from English... since more than 10.000 english word are greek, right? :D
06:42
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, /set term_charset utf-8
06:42
<muppis>
09:42 term_charset = UTF-8
06:43
Is already.
06:43
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, are you running your IRC client inside screen?
06:43
<muppis>
Yeah.
06:43
<Hyperbyte>
Then you need to start screen with -U parameter most likely
06:44
So screen needs to be UTF-8, your terminal needs to be UTF-8 and then your IRC client can be UTF-8
06:44* Hyperbyte sighs....
06:45
<Hyperbyte>
UTF-H8. :D
06:45
<muppis>
Hmph. Screen is the problem.
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06:45
<Hyperbyte>
LOL!
06:45
WTF-8. :-D
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06:45
<Hyperbyte>
Hahahahah
06:45
<alkisg>
Haha
06:46
<muppis>
06:46
Does it work now?
06:46
<alkisg>
Nope
06:47
<Hyperbyte>
It works for me muppy!
06:47
I bet alkisg's IRC client sucks.
06:47
<muppis>
:D
06:47
<alkisg>
Your irc logs too then :D
06:47
http://irclogs.ltsp.org/
06:48
<Hyperbyte>
"Purple IRC"... what kind of IRC client is that. :|
06:48
alkisg, I'll fix the IRC logs to exclude Greek and Norwegian as soon as possible. :P
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06:49
<alkisg>
Hehehe, I hope it's right after you fix the scrollable banner :P
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06:49
<alkisg>
Purple IRC is way better than Pink IRC
06:50
<muppis>
06:50
<alkisg>
(09:50:00 πμ) muppis: How about now? ??
06:50
Try without screen first... through ssh or something
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06:50
<muppis>
06:51
No?
06:51
<alkisg>
Nope
06:51
<muppis>
Sucks.
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06:53
<muppis>
06:53
<alkisg>
nah
06:54
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, your IRC client is still set to UTF-8? Because you need to /save settings after you change them
06:54
<muppis>
I'll give. You wouldn't understand it anyway, if I write finnish here. :D
06:54
Hyperbyte, yes, it's set.
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06:55
<Hyperbyte>
Let's all speak our native languages for a day. See what happens.
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06:55
<alkisg>
...σίγουρα;
06:55
ΟΚ, μέσα, τι κάνεις Hyperbyte;
06:55
<Hyperbyte>
Wat? Ik begrijp er niks van....
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06:56
<alkisg>
Τον πύργο της Βαβέλ τον έχεις ακούσει; :D
06:56
<Hyperbyte>
Heeeey - het is gestopt met regenen, eindelijk. Ik ga naar m'n werk!
06:57
Bye. :P
06:57
<muppis>
06:58
<Mava>
niin, voihan sen noinkin sanoo.. mutta hauskalta tää kyllä näyttää
06:59
<muppis>
:D
06:59
<alkisg>
^ that one by Mava was right :)
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07:14
<knipwim>
goeiemorgen dan gasten :)
07:18
<muppis>
:D
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07:25
<knipwim>
just awake, or still awake?
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07:41
<muppis>
knipwim, woke up 3 hrs ago, but slept less than 6h..
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08:38
<Hyperbyte>
Hey hey hey Gavin!
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10:26
<Da-Geek>
Hey Hyperbyte, been a long time since I have been around... mega Busy, so shouldn't complain I guess.
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11:02
<Hyperbyte>
How's work?
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13:50
<fuzai>
Is there an easy way to execute a couple of commands when a user logs into their session. Google Chromes SingletonLock in local apps mode is killing me.
13:57
<Hyperbyte>
fuzai, sure. You can put .desktop files in /etc/xdg/autostart
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16:15
<fuzai>
Is there an easy way to disable the shutdown / reboot from showing up in the gnome menus in the top right?
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17:03
<Hyperbyte>
fuzai: for me they never appeared... does the user you're logged in with have permission to shut down the machine?
17:03
Because if they do, it makes sense the option is there.
17:04
<fuzai>
Yea i guess they would, i just made an /ssbin and put shutdown power off and reboot in there
17:04
i just don't want to accidentally click shutdown trying for log out
17:05
<alkisg>
fuzai: why, if they click on it they can reboot/shutdown the server? Which DE are you using?!
17:05
<Hyperbyte>
fuzai: you're messing up your system. Don't do ugly hacks like removing executables.
17:06
<fuzai>
I'd rather avoid the accident of killing 50+ sessions and disable it so IF I NEED to reboot or shutdown it can be done from the command line properly instead of accidentally by a mis click
17:06
<Hyperbyte>
The next time you do an update apt-get will put them right back.
17:06
<fuzai>
i moved it i didn't remove it
17:06
<Hyperbyte>
fuzai: regardless, don't do ugly hacks like that.
17:06
<fuzai>
Then make it easy to disable menu options
17:06
<Hyperbyte>
Only administrators on your system should have the power to shut down the machine.
17:06
<alkisg>
fuzai: first, the clients can't reboot the server if they click on that menus
17:07
<fuzai>
thats not the point
17:07
<alkisg>
fuzai: second, if you move a file, it is replaced on the next package update
17:07
<Hyperbyte>
If you're constantly logged in as administrator, you're doing it wrong.
17:07
<fuzai>
what happens when an admin mis clicks
17:07
<Hyperbyte>
fuzai, that is -exactly- the point!
17:07
<fuzai>
were not logged in as root
17:07
were never logged in as root
17:07
<alkisg>
fuzai: the admin can't reboot the server if he's on a thin/fat client
17:07
<fuzai>
but someone with sudo power has those options show up
17:07
<alkisg>
(08:07:33 μμ) fuzai: but someone with sudo power has those options show up => again, he can't
17:07
Try it
17:08
(unless if you're using some weird DE)
17:08
<fuzai>
edubuntu
17:08
12.04
17:09
<alkisg>
Right, so, those menus have no effect even for sudoers
17:11
<fuzai>
well now i get to march across the office, something worked and now the machine is off
17:14
<Hyperbyte>
Luckily you're not testing in production environment, so you don't cause serious trouble with this.
17:14
I have a question. You moved the 'shutdown' command to a different dir - does the 'Shutdown' option also disappear from the Gnome menu when you do this?
17:16
<fuzai>
no it didn't
17:17
i tried first to hack it from the gconf stuff i found online
17:17
<Hyperbyte>
In a terminal, type 'groups <user who can shutdown>'
17:17
Which groups is the user in?
17:17
<fuzai>
http://askubuntu.com/questions/93542/how-to-disable-shutdown-reboot-suspend-hibernate
17:18
one second, it takes a moment to come back online with the raid arrayt
17:18
array
17:18
<Hyperbyte>
Fact is, regular users don't have shutdown in the menu, because they don't have access to shut down the server.
17:18
So you've done -something- which makes shutdown available to certain users. I'm curious to know what that is.
17:18
<fuzai>
this is a a super user, my login
17:19
i haven't even looked at a different login yet
17:19
well i have, just not recently
17:19
<Hyperbyte>
Are you using Gnome classic/fallback?
17:19
<fuzai>
yep
17:19
<alkisg>
fuzai: are you logged in on the server and on a thin client with the same user at the same time?
17:19
<fuzai>
yes i was at that moment
17:19
i was ssh'd in and logged in one time
17:19
<alkisg>
Gnome doesn't support that
17:20
<fuzai>
that doesn't make much sense
17:20
<alkisg>
And firefox and others
17:20
True, but convince them otherwise :)
17:20
<fuzai>
you are saying i can't login though ssh to my ltsp server now?
17:20
<alkisg>
Not ssh, graphically
17:20
With gnome
17:20
twice
17:20
<fuzai>
oh no not visually
17:20
<alkisg>
OK
17:20
<fuzai>
no no no i see what you mean
17:20
the server is headless
17:21
<alkisg>
OK let me try to reproduce it...
17:21
<fuzai>
it's coming up right now
17:21
i'm going to try it again, i didn't logout after i moved those things around
17:22
<alkisg>
Gnome fallback with a sudo user logged in on a thin client, selecting Shut down => just logs out the thin client.
17:22
Hmm I wonder if it makes a difference that I'm logged in on the server as a different user with gnome
17:23
<fuzai>
oh hang on i've got to unlock the bde
17:23
brb
17:23
<alkisg>
fuzai: anyway if you find a way to reproduce it, file a bug about it
17:23
<fuzai>
will do
17:23
<alkisg>
As it should then be solved for all LTSP users
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