IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 4 March 2013   (all times are UTC)

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01:38
<Enslaver>
is the 'dialog' program included in most distributions?
01:40
or newt?
01:41
<ogra_>
thats nothing you can safely assume
01:42
<Enslaver>
yeah i'd probably ask first
01:42
<ogra_>
better make sure that peaople packaging your stuff properly add a dependency
01:43
<Enslaver>
i package my stuff, i was only curious
01:46
<ogra_>
but dialog is last century anyway ... if you want to be hip you use html5 nowadays ...
01:46
... and unicorns
01:46
:)
01:53
<Enslaver>
I was gonna write it using pascal first
01:53
then back port it to dialog
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02:23
<brian_>
i have been trying ti get my terminals up for two days, ltsp on opensuse 12.2. using lstp on 11.1 for a long time problem, i can not get a build that supports my intel 810e video devices, the driver just crashes glamor reports an error... I am ready to give up suse and move to another distro uggg
02:26
I canot stay on 11.1 for ever, have 10 terminals with 810e video....
02:30
tried xf86 driver and xorg legacy driver no help, any ideas anyone?
02:38
<sbalneav>
brian_: How many terminals do you have in total?
02:39
<brian_>
15
02:40
5 are nvidia 5500, the nvidia driver is working fine
02:41
<sbalneav>
Intel 810e's pretty old hardware. I don't know anything about suse, but as time goes along, you're going to be harder and harder pressed to find distros that will support drivers that old.
02:42
Better tack might be to stay with suse for now and concentrate on replacing those thin clients.
02:42
<brian_>
I thinks i will just move the 11.1 image to the 12.2 server for the pxe boot, and forget about the new stuff, frustrated, disapointed the kiwi build provided for edulife does not even match the prebuilt provided
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02:43
<brian_>
intel driver was ommitted from prebuilt image
02:44
<sbalneav>
Are these thin clients desktop boxes? or true thin clients? I.e. do they have a PCI bus slot in them?
02:44
If so, you could probably pick up some cheap radeon cards or the like, toss them in.
02:44
<brian_>
I know why now, budget can replace right now and browser etc are getting way out of date on current version
02:44
no the terminals are gateway all in ones, graphics built in
02:45
<sbalneav>
Right, but do they have a pci slot?
02:45
<brian_>
no disk drives
02:45
<sbalneav>
If so, just disable the onboard video.
02:45
<brian_>
they have no slots or space thin 1 inch thick
02:46
<sbalneav>
ah, ok, so they're custom thin clients.
02:46
Personally, here's what I buy:
02:46
<brian_>
look like terminals with etherport and keyboard and mouse, can only pxe
02:47
<sbalneav>
http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/spearhead/mini-itx/
02:47
I buy mini ITX via mobo's for about $120, $25 stick of ram, and:
02:48
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0035FIS2O/savhav-20/
02:48
<brian_>
yes, also need to replace screen as well, we are getting up to 250+ per terminal, not in budget this year
02:48
<sbalneav>
That's a bit more expensive, but you should be able to come up with a mini itx case for about 50 bucs or so.
02:48
Is the screen built in or something?
02:49
<brian_>
screen and comp is all in one, not seperate
02:49
<sbalneav>
Well, that's your problem, then :)
02:49
Maybe replace a few this year. few the next year.
02:50
<brian_>
yea then, so just dump old img to new server and run with it
02:50
replace when we can
02:50
<sbalneav>
the problem is, by changing the distro, you might make the problem go away for a while, but sooner or later, you're going to find every distro's dropped the 810e driver.
02:51
<brian_>
xorg still provides the legaxy drivers, they just dont work
02:51
<sbalneav>
Yup. No one's fixing them anymore.
02:51
<brian_>
yes I agree, but I need a working lab
02:51
to bad for me i guess
02:52
<sbalneav>
Well, look at it this way, you got a whole lot more life out of those boxes than you would have if you'd have been running windows on 'em :)
02:52
And you can still squeek a few years out on them, but you just need to start planning to replace 'em now.
02:53
<brian_>
yes, but they all function perfectly, I know that
02:53
when they break its easy to get replacements
02:53
<sbalneav>
Either that, or you have to learn how to build drivers and chroots to keep things going :)
02:53
<brian_>
but while they operate........ :(
02:54
yes, well I have been doing that for the past two days, they just will not work
02:55
for today, i will simply move the boot image over and smile for a while
02:55
<sbalneav>
Have you tried one of the Xorg mailing lists? Maybe someone will look at the 810e driver for you?
02:56
<brian_>
umm, I can not pin point the source of the crash, would not know where to start, the module loads and does a sig 11
02:57
both the new xf86 intel and legacy driver set do the same thing
02:57
and glamor will not load the xf86 version depends on it
02:59
<sbalneav>
Where did it get to in the Xorg.0.log?
02:59
<brian_>
really just disapointed I guess, suse has always just worked for me
02:59
<sbalneav>
Everything always just works, until it stops working :) Time, tide, and entropy wait for no man :)
02:59
<brian_>
I set an extra terminal on the clients and just ctrl-alt f4 to the terminal and look at it
03:00
<sbalneav>
You might find installing a bootable USB key, and booting from that handy.
03:00
<brian_>
its Xorg.07.log
03:00
<sbalneav>
You're likely to get some better information.
03:01
<brian_>
funny thing is that the live version boots and works from the usb connected cd drive... thats what got me trying to build a intel version
03:02
the log file just does not show any errors
03:02
when i boot from the usb drive
03:02
and loads what should be the same drivers
03:03
<sbalneav>
You should be able to see what driver the live version's using, then.
03:04
<brian_>
yea i did and it matches the number on the default repository, I even tried the build from the newer versions from x11 reposirory
03:05
the kiwi-prebuilt and the kiwi config.xml do not match to start with josh would be helpful here i guess
03:05
so had to wigh from the stuff provided from the project
03:06
and build from there, so 50 or so builds later no joy
03:06
and a lot of reading and research........
03:07
oh well
03:08
thanks for the chat, i appreciate you taking the time
03:11
<sbalneav>
np
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07:31
<ajith>
Hi
07:32
chan I have a doubt can we have two load balancers in Ltsp cluster
07:32
if so ...gow can i???
07:32
How can i??
07:33
please help me out in this I am having huge network to work with this at least i need to have another load balancer..please
07:33
<vagrantc>
don't know, but stick around a while and maybe someone will answer...
07:34
a while, meaning a few hours
07:34
<ajith>
okay I wil
07:34
<vagrantc>
this channel isn't always active, but people respond when they get a chance ... just takes some patience
07:35
<ajith>
if i implement a regular cluster and configure load balancer
07:35
can i
07:35* vagrantc doesn't know much of anything about the ltsp-cluster stuff
07:36
<ajith>
okay
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08:15
<ajith>
HI
08:15
cna help me out vmlintu
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08:15
<vmlintu>
ajith: hi..
08:16
what's the problem?
08:16
<ajith>
on this can i add another load balancer
08:16
to the extising
08:16
I have configured cluser
08:16
<vmlintu>
I don't have the logs here right now
08:17
<ajith>
ltsp at my work place and i would like to have
08:17
another load balancer
08:17
<vmlintu>
What kind of cluster do you have?
08:17
<ajith>
ltsp cluster
08:18
<vmlintu>
If you mean ltsp-cluster, I have never really used it myself. We are using different load balancing methods in our systems..
08:18
<ajith>
okay
08:18
but i need some help
08:19
<vmlintu>
I don't know if ltsp-cluster is really maintained anymore as there was discussion last week to remove it from LTSP6
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11:14
<ajith>
Hello Chan
11:15
I would like to knwo can i have another load balacer on ltsp cluster
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12:53
<bobpit>
hi guys
12:54
I am looking for a tutorial regarding the configuration of the clients
12:54
eg if I changed the /etc/hosts on the server, what will happen on the clients
12:55
what is the role of the /etc/skel/ directory
12:55
I googled and could not find a simple guide
12:56
<ogra_>
/etc/skel content gets copied at user creation time (never after this)
12:57
and /etc/hosts on the clients is generated at boot, the servers /etc/hosts shouldnt have any effect
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13:02
<alkisg>
bobpit: we (Greek schools) are using the server's dnsmasq as the DNS server for the clients, that's why when you change the server's /etc/hosts, it affects clients too
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<bobpit>
just came back
13:15
supose I wanted to clear and reset the settings for guest05
13:15
what directory should I clear? And later should I just copy the contents of etc/skel to where?
13:24
<alkisg>
You said you tried to follow my instructions for guest sessions, what happened after that?
13:24
bb in 15'...
13:24
<bobpit>
alkisg, they work perfect! I am just trying to understand how it works
13:25
I tried to dissect the command but was too complicated for me
13:25
<alkisg>
ah, ok
13:25
bbl
13:25
btw you might want to put a link for them here, and ask how they work
13:27
<bobpit>
well, besides that particular command, I wanted a more general overview of the subject
13:28
<Hyperbyte>
bobpit, the idea behind guest sessions is to a create a user, who's home dir (directory containing all user files & settings) are wiped everytime they log in... so they always start as if you had just created the account.
13:29
On my server, I have several guest# accounts, one for each client where guest login is allowed... on startup a script runs, that checks if the users' name starts with "guest" and is followed by a number. If it does, the home directory is emptied, and contents from /etc/skel are copied over.
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<bobpit>
Hyperbyte, yes I already implement guest sessions and they work
13:32
I am trying to understand for example what is the "." ?
13:32
is this some kind of HOME directory?
13:32
I mean the command:
13:32
ssh -S "$LDM_SOCKET" "$LDM_SERVER" 'cd && find -mindepth 1 -delete; rsync -a /etc/skel/ .'
13:32
I am trying to understand WHERE are the contents of /etc/skel copied too
13:34
I am using alkisg's solution from here: http://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=4056.msg43801#msg43801
13:35
or maybe I should have asked: "Where are the HOME dirstories for those guests?"
13:43
<alkisg>
On the server, like all the other users, they're just deleted on login... so, /home/guest*
13:44
<bobpit>
ok, that's easy.
13:44
I just could not see it in the command
13:45
<alkisg>
When you ssh to the server, you get to your HOME dir, so there's no need to refer to it
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<bobpit>
the COPY part is this, right? rsync -a /etc/skel/ .
13:46
so it seems the initial contents are copies into .
13:46
and this confuses me
13:46
the period
13:46
so . is the /home/guest* ???
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14:01
<alkisg>
bobpit: for general linux questions, try the #linux channel
14:01
For bash questions, #bash
14:01
For Ubuntu questions, #ubuntu
14:02
But best of all is for you to read a book
14:02
You can't learn bash from IRC
14:02
IRC is good for solving problems, not for learning new things. That's what books are for.
14:03
<bobpit>
well, this is why I asked for a tutorial
14:03
because I searchwed google and could not find one
14:03
<alkisg>
That's because you're asking bash questions and are looking for an ltsp tutorial
14:03
<bobpit>
and the regular ubuntu help, it was too cryptic for me
14:04
<alkisg>
Those things are not really related
14:04
So an LTSP tutorial wouldn't answer your questions...
14:04
The things you're asking here are bash related, so if you want to learn bash, google for "bash tutorial" or "bash book"
14:04
Or ask in #bash, they have lots of tutorials to link you to
14:04
<bobpit>
ok
14:05
ok, maybe this is the direction I was looking for
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
14:05
<alkisg>
bobpit: the main question is, "what do you want to do after you understand the login script"?
14:05
Hi jammcq
14:06
bobpit: if you want to be able to modify it, to adapt it to your needs, to extend it etc, then yes you need to learn bash
14:06
If you're just interested about "how things work", then you need a general linux book
14:06
<jammcq>
alkisg: sorry I didn't get a chance to test the patch for debian.
14:07
ran out of time preparing for my trip to New Orleans
14:07
<alkisg>
jammcq: no problem I'm not using debian
14:07
I just filed the bug there as a favor to vagrantc
14:07
New Orleans... nice!
14:07
<bobpit>
yes alkisg, the only problem is that a book will not answer my immediate questions. I am impatient
14:07
and I have to deal with this
14:08
<alkisg>
bobpit: ok, but I don't think people here have the patience to give bash lessons to anyone that wants them :)
14:08
You're free to ask of course; I'm just telling you that you shouldn't expect so much from an irc channel
14:09
<bobpit>
xo xo. now I have to google and see what BASH is.
14:09
<alkisg>
And then when you really have an LTSP related problem, people here might be too bored to answer you...
14:09
<bobpit>
oops, didn;t think of it
14:10
<alkisg>
bobpit: you can try the ubuntu-gr forum; people there do have lots and lots of patience
14:10
<bobpit>
ok , thanks for the tips
14:10
<alkisg>
np
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15:02
<sbalneav>
Morning all
15:02* ball waves
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<gvy>
Scotty!!! :)
15:21
<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<ltspuser_31>
Hey, just seeing if anyone has had success getting sound to work using LTSP with ubuntu 12.04 using freerdp to windows server 2008r2
16:40
<ball>
Is freerdp something different from rdesktop?
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<ltspuser_31>
it does the same thing but it's apparently the preferred choice for ubuntu 12.04. I'm not able to get rdesktop to open automatically with lst.conf but freerdp will.
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everything works except the sound. It's a known bug but I'm checking here to see if anyone has found a solution
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<ltspuser_31>
or how to get rdesktop to automatically launch
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<dead_inside>
ltspuser_31 i believe in your lts.conf you can just add the option SCREEN_07 = rdesktop
16:51
under the default context
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<alkisg>
ltspuser_31: it's not a known bug, no, I believe it works fine, you just need the correct command line
16:56
The -- plays some role there
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<otwieracz>
Hello.
16:57
<alkisg>
Hi
16:57
<otwieracz>
Is this somehow possible to access to my ttyUSB0 connected to terminal?
16:57
<alkisg>
To access it from the server?
16:57
<otwieracz>
Right.
16:57
<alkisg>
Use socat
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<otwieracz>
Hm.
17:01
Can you explain a bit?
17:03
<alkisg>
socat is a program that can "connect" sockets via the network
17:03
And can also forward TTYs that way
17:03
So if you need to transfer a TTY between 2 machines, that's what I'd use... man socat for the syntax, or google for examples
17:04
<sbalneav>
Depends on the access.
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<sbalneav>
socat passes through the data, but I'm not sure if it passes through IOCTL's at all.
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<alkisg>
Ubuntu Announces Mir, A X.Org/Wayland Replacement - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzI
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<gvy>
the world famous announcement company has made yet another announcement (before making a couple more about revisiting the plan and finally dropping it for whatever crap redhat comes up with laters)
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<alkisg>
I don't think the problem is that they're dropping their projects... e.g. unity is still there, even after gnome-shell was implemented, and upstart is there even after systemd got implemented
18:38
The problem is that the community has to focus on too many options and platforms now
18:39
Divide and conquer, only we're dividing ourselves and we're not conquering anything that way
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<gvy>
the problem is vapour instead of delivery :(
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