IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 21 April 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
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<Stefn>
Hello, I have set up an LTSP network which works. Most of my computers are running, but when I log in to one computer I only get my background image, and my nfs-folders
01:18
but the application, system, clock don't appear
01:19
does anyone know what the problem could be?
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<dyllan>
hi all
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<alkisg>
Stefn: distro/version?
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<Hyperbyte>
alkisg is like the FBI. Always watching us.
03:24
=D
03:25
<alkisg>
Hehe
03:26* alkisg tries to minimize his irc-online hours actually due to his phd
03:28
<Hyperbyte>
You're trying to get your PhD? :)
03:29
<alkisg>
Yup, in the 2nd year currently
03:29
<Hyperbyte>
Cool. :) PhD in what?
03:29
<alkisg>
Teaching of informatics
03:29
<Hyperbyte>
:D
03:30
How many years does it take?
03:30
<alkisg>
I hope 3 (I had already done some work before)
03:32
<Trixboxer>
which university alkisg ?
03:32
<alkisg>
Here in Greece
03:32
(Patras)
03:32
<Hyperbyte>
Dr. A. Georgopoulos. Suits you. :)
03:32
<alkisg>
Haha nope won't use that, ever
03:33
<Hyperbyte>
Hah, are you kidding me?!
03:33
<Trixboxer>
hmm no idea abou greece.. hows research going there ?
03:33
<Hyperbyte>
I'd make all my students call me dr.!
03:37
<Stefn>
alkisg, edubuntu 10.04
03:37
<alkisg>
Stefn: how are you using nfs?
03:38
<Stefn>
I mount my folders on boot on my ltsp server
03:39
but it makes no sense, when I attach that computer on another network cable it runs fine, but any other pc will boot on that other place too, and I need the components from the pc that ain't working on that place
03:43
<alkisg>
Ah, so it sounds like a cabling problem then?
03:45
<Stefn>
thought about that too, but another computer can boot, and shows everything from that cable... so it's really weird
03:51
<Hyperbyte>
Stefn, what does "another network cable" mean? Does it mean another cable, plugged into a different endpoint, possibly ending up at another routing, another DHCP server, etc...?
03:52
Or does it mean you just exchanged one network cable for another?
03:53
<Stefn>
Another cable from the same switch
03:54
<Hyperbyte>
Okay, so debug further.
03:55
Problem lies in either cable, switch or switch settings if one works and the other doesn't...
03:56
<Stefn>
I now booted with only the basic devices and now it works... so I'll guess I'll find it soon now
03:56
thanks for the help :)
03:56
<alkisg>
Stefn: some nics are better than the others
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<alkisg>
So e.g. an intel NIC might work OK with a specific cable while a realtek might have problems with it
03:56
If your client works OK with another cable, then it's a cabling problem
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<alkisg>
*unless* it's random, and you've been hit by the nbd-proxy problem
03:57
(in case it randomly "happened" to work when you switched the cable)
03:57
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
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<Stefn>
alkisg, now it all works with the same nic in the computer, and it seems pretty stable now. I hope it stays that way
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<elias_a>
join #viite
05:52
Hups :)
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<gothaggis>
i'm having some trouble with printing. I've installed cups on teh server and cups cups-client cups-bsd in the chroot for the thin clients. i'm running firefox as localapp - i run firefox-svr on the server and have added the printers. if i try to print from firefox using the server version, the printers show up..but the printers don't show up in the clients. did i miss a step?
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<mgariepy>
gothaggis, did you set CUPS_SERVER in lts.conf ?
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<gothaggis>
mgariepy - no, however on my other ltsp server (that is running ubuntu 8) printing works and there is no cups_server in lts.conf
06:37
this server is running ubuntu 10.04
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<gothaggis>
and when i log out of a thin client, i see text saying something like 'starting common unix printing system cups'
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which i didn't see on the old server
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<Stefn_>
I can't mount a cd on my clients (edubuntu 10.04) cause I am not authorized... What causes this?
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<moldy>
Stefn_: missing group memberships?
07:15
Stefn_: are you a member of the cdrom group?
07:17
<Stefn_>
I don't know, how should I set this?
07:20
moldy
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<moldy>
Stefn_: sudo gpasswd -a username groupname
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groupname is probably "cdrom" in this case
07:27
<Stefn_>
moldy, that solves my error. thanks!! Gotta go now, bye!
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<dyllan>
guys, in the begenning of my ltsp install i didnt select the multiverse source and now it seems thats its impossible to get after install, can somebody shed some light? ubuntu
07:36
im trying to install flashplugin which is from the multiverse but it keeps complaining about ia32-libs as a dependency
07:39
ok sorted it out, was missing a repo :/
07:39
my bda
07:40
d
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<muppis>
This is way offtopic, but Finnish Consumer Disputes Board suggest 100 euro refund because PS3 Other OS removal.
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<veloutin>
are you using ps3's as ltsp clients? :P
08:01
with their whopping 256MB ram?
08:01
<muppis>
veloutin, nope, that's why it's offtopic.
08:01
<mgariepy>
hello, anybody have a problem if i push a rewrite of nbd-proxy in ltsp-trunk ?
08:02
<veloutin>
mgariepy: I don't
08:02
but I'm biaised
08:02
<mgariepy>
veloutin, ok thanks :P
08:02
<veloutin>
biased*
08:06
<muppis>
veloutin, and 256 is enough. I have one client wiwth that amount of memory and CPU is Celeron 800MHz.
08:07
<robehend11>
I've got a few with that much as well.
08:07
but all they do now is digital signage, so its nothing special
08:07
<veloutin>
as long as you don't run any localapps like firefox ^^
08:08
<muppis>
veloutin, well, that's true.
08:08
Firefox itself runs fine, but Flash is the killer.
08:08
<veloutin>
but yeah it's a question of having the hardware that corresponds to the needs anyways, 256MB is enough for some needs
08:12
<abeehc>
the possible refund make a lot of sense to me
08:16
<veloutin>
some sense...
08:17
you can still install OtherOS with old firmware, you just don't get to play along in PSN too
08:17
IIRC
08:17
<abeehc>
yeah that's what i understand sorta to... though I don't think the downgrade is trivial if possible (and, i guess it's illegal on my continent)
08:22
<muppis>
Whole point was there that you can't use PSN and watch newest BD -movies with downgraded fw.
08:22
<abeehc>
i was gonna say, skipping the upgrades impacts bd playing from what i heard too
08:23
<muppis>
Which makes it impossible to keep Other OS support and use it for playing/watching.
08:24
Shame CDB publishes their decisions only in finnish.
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<pem725>
can anyone provide me with a quick suggestion on how to get tftp working after a reboot? I upgrade ubuntu, did ltsp-update-* and checked dhcpd along with logs....still nothing. Any suggestions for troubleshooting would be greatly appreciated.
08:46
<abeehc>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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<pem725>
perfect!
08:47
thanks
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<Mip5>
Hey Gang,
09:40
<abeehc>
HI
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09:42
<Mip5>
What's the preferred way to set auto shutdown on thin clients? I've edited my lts.conf file to include (no quotes): SHUTDOWN_TIME = "14:00:00" and another line: TIMESERVER = IP address of my server.
09:42
It looks like not all of my machines shutdown, though I wasn't in the lab, so don't know whether some were still logged in or not. Is there a better way to make this happen?
09:43
<abeehc>
I can't say i've tried that directive
09:43
<alkisg>
I think the machines get a prompt on shutdown, which is canceable by the users
09:44
So maybe on those terminals the users did press cancel
09:44
<Roasted_>
If the user is logged in, they won't get a prompt. They simply won't shut down.
09:44
Once they log out, they shut down within 10 seconds via prompt.
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<Mip5>
Roasted: If they log out, but don't answer the prompt, does that mean they won't shutdown?
09:45
<Roasted_>
If they log out, it'll say system will halt in 10 seconds.
09:45
If they do not hit cancel, it'll power off.
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<Roasted_>
Make sure your time stamps match up at the login screen. I had severe issues with my time meshing up, which resulted in completely wacked out shutdown times.
09:46
In fact, the following day I would boot up 2 systems in particular and they would auto halt right away, even though ti was the next morning.
09:46
<Mip5>
Okay - I'll check that.
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<Roasted_>
I ended up not utilizing this feature as there are still issues I am having in the time department. But that's something to be aware of.
09:46
Also note, I had different time stamps when logged in vs at login screen.
09:46
Logged in yields the server time, which is likely to be correct. The time stamp at the login screens are different.
09:47
I would advise you work with the lab after hours when nobody is there. Boot all systems up and see what the time stamps are. See if they all match 100% or if they are all over the place.
09:47
Then edit your lts.conf to shut the systems down 10-15 minutes from the current time. Go get a cup of coffee and when you come back see if they powered off on their own.
09:47
<alkisg>
Roasted_: you're still having time sync problems?!
09:47
<Roasted_>
alkisg, Not after you helped me.
09:47
<alkisg>
ok
09:47
<Mip5>
Okay - I'll do that.
09:48
<Roasted_>
alkisg, but you made it sound like that was just a quick patch and it was a work in progress to get fixed.
09:48
<alkisg>
Nope
09:48
<Roasted_>
alkisg, "fixed" as in an official "included in the entire package" type thing.
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<Roasted_>
Will what you suggested be included in, say, the next version of ltsp?
09:48
<alkisg>
The fix was just fine, I was just trying to see if that problem could possibly affect other LTSP areas
09:48
<Mip5>
I think that many of my students just leave, and don't log out. Is there way to auto logout, and then autoshutdown?
09:48
<alkisg>
Roasted_: the bug report I filed *wasn't* in LTSP, but in upstart
09:49
Totally different package
09:49
<BrechtM_>
I'm having trouble with the resolution stuck at 800x600 when my ltsp client is connected to a monitor over a vga switch
09:49
<Roasted_>
Mip5, I have not tinkered with any logout features, nor do I recall seeing it as an available entry.
09:49
<BrechtM_>
any ideas?
09:49
<Roasted_>
alkisg, so the problem I was experiencing wasn't LTSP related?
09:49
<alkisg>
Roasted_: yes. Vagrantc put a workaround in ltsp, which works fine, but the problem didn't originate from ltsp.
09:50
BrechtM_: does it work OK without the switch?
09:50
<Roasted_>
alkisg, I see. So your bug was with a different package which caused the issue. But vagrantc posted the fix to work around the issue.
09:50
<alkisg>
Roasted_: yes
09:50
<Roasted_>
alkisg, my question is if some other user out there in the world installs edubuntu and ltsp just like I did, will they automatically have vagrantc's fix included in it?
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09:50
<alkisg>
Not until the next ltsp version gets into ubuntu
09:51
<Roasted_>
was it too late for 11.04?
09:51
<alkisg>
Maybe in natty, maybe later on
09:51
<Roasted_>
ah good deal
09:51
<alkisg>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/changes
09:51
<Roasted_>
is there a ltsp 6 on the horizon?
09:51
<BrechtM_>
I tried using DISABLE_XRANDR in lts.conf
09:51
<Roasted_>
1816 - nice
09:51
<BrechtM_>
but that didn't seem to make any difference
09:51
<alkisg>
Commit 1816 => I think it will be there in Natty
09:51
<Roasted_>
alkisg, you and your buddies here really need to stop being so awesome.
09:51
<alkisg>
09:52
<BrechtM_>
yes in that case it detects the monitor just fine
09:52
I see it in the Xorg log
09:53
with the switcher, the xorg log reads "VESA VBE DCC read failed"
09:53
and it defaults to 800x600
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with seemingly no way to force it higher
09:54
<alkisg>
BrechtM_: when it works OK, what resolution does it get? 1024x768@85Hz?
09:54
<BrechtM_>
it gets the resolution I set in lts.conf, which is in most cases 1280x1024
09:54
don't know the refresh rate
09:54
<alkisg>
BrechtM_: ok, reboot it without the switch, write "xrandr" and post the results to pastebin
09:54
<BrechtM_>
I set the resolution using X_MODE_0
09:55
<alkisg>
Don't set the resolution with X_MODE_0 when you do that
09:55
If you have to, set it with XRANDR_MODE_0
09:56
<BrechtM_>
I'm using ltsp to run a citrix ica client on display 2
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so I have to use xrandr -display :2 -q to get any output
09:56
is that the output you expect?
09:56
<alkisg>
Yes, that will do
09:56
But don't set X_MODE_0 when you do that
09:56
Because that forces the display to only have 1 specific resolution
09:59
<BrechtM_>
http://pastebin.com/nyj7jx8K
09:59
there you go
09:59
<alkisg>
OK, now try these in your lts.conf:
10:00
X_HORZSYNC=33-99
10:00
X_VERTREFRESH=50-76
10:00
XRANDR_MODE_0=1280x1024
10:00
XRANDR_RATE_0=60
10:00
Reboot and see if it works with and without the switch
10:04
<BrechtM_>
works fine with the switch, xrandr -q output is the same
10:04
now testing with the switch
10:06
<abeehc>
woo got the nx web applet goin
10:10
<BrechtM_>
with the vga switch the effect is the same
10:11
xrandr output the same as well
10:11
<alkisg>
Nice
10:11
Your monitor says that it also supports 75 Hz, you might want to try that too
10:11
<BrechtM_>
I mean the effect is the same as it was, which is resolution 800x600 :)
10:12
<alkisg>
Ah, then you either did something wrong, or you have a very broken driver
10:12
<Mip5>
who
10:12
<BrechtM_>
driver might be a factor indeed
10:12
<alkisg>
On the client, try: ltsp-localapps xterm
10:12
<BrechtM_>
it's a rather old machine
10:12
<alkisg>
Ah sorry
10:12
<BrechtM_>
dell gx150 of 7-8 years old
10:12
<alkisg>
From the shell. You don't have an xterm :)
10:13
So, on the shell: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
10:13
That tells us your driver
10:13
And: getltscfg -a
10:13
That tells us that your lts.conf settings did reach the client (or not)
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<BrechtM_>
driver is VGA Compatible controller: Intel corporation 82815 chipset
10:15
getltscfg mentions the lts.conf settings I made
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like Xrandr_rate etc
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<alkisg>
Sounds good. Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
10:16
And also the result of `getltscfg -a`, if you can...
10:16
<BrechtM_>
http://pastebin.com/26B0HyDV
10:17
xorg log
10:17
but before I made those xrand settings in the lts.conf
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xorg.log of the client connected to the switch, that is. the one with the problems
10:19
<alkisg>
Btw one easy way to paste: apt-get install pastebinit; getltscfg -a | pastebinit
10:19
<BrechtM_>
that will be quicker, thanks
10:19
http://pastebin.com/GURwmYjr
10:20
getltspcfg
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<alkisg>
That xorg.0.log was an old one, right? Can you pastebin your current one, that would show the new refresh rates?
10:27
I.e. we're looking to override this line, which has extremely low hsync range:
10:27
(II) intel(0): <default monitor>: Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz
10:28
<Mip5>
Okay - so I just checked my clients, and they show a different time before logging in (05:14), they have the correct time in the panel once they *are* logged in. So - I'll need to fix this in order for auto shutdown to work? Also - the clients don't even all have the same *wrong* time! What's the next step for me?
10:28
<BrechtM_>
that xorg log is one of the client connected to the switch, before I added the xrandr settings to my lts.conf. I'll get a new one, now booted with the xrandr settings you told me. Just a sec.
10:29
<alkisg>
Mip5: yes, you need to correct the time problem. The fix is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1816
10:30
<Mip5>
askisg: Thanks - I'll dive into it.
10:35
<BrechtM_>
http://pastebin.com/C5TRLncs
10:35
xorg log of the client with the switch booted with the xrandr lts.conf options
10:35
seems to be no difference
10:35
I suppose it defaults to those settings because it cannot detect the display?
10:36
<alkisg>
Yes
10:37
Ah, maybe your ica script doesn't use the generated xorg.conf then?
10:37
ps aux => check the Xorg command line
10:38
<BrechtM_>
I don't seem to find a line mentioning xorg
10:38
<pem725>
I went through the entire troubleshooting page and confirmed tftpd was running and listening to the proper port, could retrieve a file on a booted client using a tftp client, and yet I still cannot boot other clients. This is on a LTSP network that was running rock solid for over 2 years without a hitch. I upgraded and had not problems with ltsp...until now. Any other hints?
10:38
<BrechtM_>
it's an environment I inherited from my predecessor, I don't understand everything of it yet
10:38
<pem725>
ltsp just times out.
10:38
<BrechtM_>
would you have a look at the ica script?
10:39
it's one located in ltsp/screen.d
10:39
<pem725>
oh, and dhcpd is definitely running because I get ip addresses and can see them sent out via /var/log/syslog.
10:39
<alkisg>
BrechtM_: I don't see that file as part of ltsp-upstream, can you pastebin it?
10:40
<pem725>
any help would be greatly appreciated.
10:40
<BrechtM_>
it's a script my predecessor wrote to launch the ica client. It's based on the rdesktop script. Pastebin coming.
10:41
http://pastebin.com/PHyMLEvZ
10:41
the script launches a script called xinitrc.ica, I'm posting that too
10:41
thanks for your time, btw
10:42
<alkisg>
It might be based on a very old rdesktop script. The current one has ${X_ARGS} in the xinitrc command line
10:43
<pem725>
whoa! I fixed it by restarting networking...bizarre. Persistence pays off!
10:43
<alkisg>
I think the xorg.conf location (in /var/run/ltsp/somewhere) is specified in X_ARGS
10:45
<BrechtM_>
I see, it does
10:45
it is indeed based on a very old version of that script
10:46
<Mip5>
alkisg: I followed the link, and edited the file. Should I rebuild the client image and reboot the clients to see if it works now?
10:47
<alkisg>
Mip5: yes
10:48
BrechtM_: as a test, if you copy the generated xorg.conf from /var/run/ to /etc/X11, and restart X without restarting the client, it should then get a proper resolution
10:49
Or just put $XARGS right next to xinitrc and update your chroot...
10:49
<BrechtM_>
I don't seem to have an xorg.conf
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10:49
<alkisg>
In /var/run/... something?
10:49
<BrechtM_>
nope
10:49
<alkisg>
Either /var/run/ldm, or /var/run/ltsp?
10:50
Hmm...
10:50
Let me check where that goes
10:50
<BrechtM_>
I think it's somehow not generated
10:50
<alkisg>
BrechtM_: which distro/version again?
10:50
<Gadi>
alkisg: /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc has to be called for xrandr params to work
10:50
<BrechtM_>
is that possible, because of the strange/old way the wfica client is started?
10:50
ubuntu 10.4
10:51
<alkisg>
Gadi: ah, ldm calls that?
10:51
<Gadi>
yup
10:51
<alkisg>
Hm. Maybe the easiest way is with XCONF then, for this case
10:52
<BrechtM_>
ii ltsp-client 5.2.1-0ubuntu9 ii ltsp-client-core 5.2.1-0ubuntu9
10:52
<Gadi>
just change the xinit line in the ica script
10:52
to be like the one in the current rdesktop script
10:52
<BrechtM_>
ok I'll try that
11:07
ok the script starts fine with the added options
11:07
but there is no difference on the client connected to the switch
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11:09
<BrechtM_>
I'll have to go now, though
11:09
thank you a lot alkisg and Gadi
11:09
I'll look into what the XARGS can do for me
11:09
and what other things might have to be changed to our ica script
11:10
I'll try an other client as well, might be that the detection is better there
11:11
<Mip5>
alkisg: Well, I'm not sure it worked. My clients' hwclocks are still off, and not by the same amount. Is the patch supposed to sync them to the system clock?
11:13
<Gadi>
BrechtM_: I came late to the game - is this a KVM switch that is causing problems?
11:16
<BrechtM_>
not really a kvm switch but kind of: a switch which can switch between two inputs: the client and an other device. It's used in our classroom to switch between the ltsp client and a laptop
11:18
would the xrandr_disable option in lts.conf work now, when I add the X_ARGS to the xinit command?
11:18
I'll try that tomorrow :)
11:18
basically all I want to do is force the client to ignore it's autoconfigured monitor settings
11:18
but it doesn't want to listen
11:19
anyway thank you guys
11:19
we might meet again :)
11:19
<Gadi>
right: well, the xorg log should also tell you what xorg.conf file it is using
11:19
<BrechtM_>
keep up the good work
11:19
<Gadi>
good luck
11:20
<BrechtM_>
cya
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<alkisg>
Mip5: is your timeserver configured correctly, and do the clients have direct access to it?
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11:33
<Mip5>
alkisg: I think my time server is configured correctly.
11:34
I took the defaults when I installed ntp. WHen I enter :date
11:34
<alkisg>
Maybe you need NAT on the server, for the clients to access your ntp?
11:34
<Mip5>
I've got NAT going, because I'm using localapps (like firefox)
11:35
The IP address I'm using is the one on my LAN. The clients have a different set (of course). Should I need to specify one in that subnet - or not if I have NAT happening? FWIW - the TIMESERVER is my ltsp server
11:37
Okay - just to be clear, I edited the file: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common - is that right file?
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12:35
<abeehc>
hmm i'm lost... trying to use fat chroot with thinclient/localapp for firefox and now it appears to be ignoring my lts.conf and booting as straight fat
12:37
<vagrantc>
anyone know of a pam hook to delete a homedir after logout?
12:37
pam_mkhomedirs is nice, but i'd like to kill them after logout as well
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13:13
<Gadi>
vagrantc: there is a pam_script that allows you to write arbitrary onlogin, onsessionopen, onsessionclose scripts
13:13
with that, you can whip it up in a few lines
13:14
<vagrantc>
Gadi: is it run as the user? i.e. a user can't normally remove their own homedir
13:15
<Gadi>
vagrantc: there is a flag that you can set to have it runas root
13:15
the "runas" flag
13:15
:)
13:15
I think
13:15
<vagrantc>
wheee
13:15
<Gadi>
you add that to the pam line
13:15
I don't think anyone "deb-ified it yet"
13:15
so, you may need to grab it from sourceforge
13:16
<vagrantc>
it's in debian stable :)
13:16
<Gadi>
yay!
13:17
<alkisg>
Mip5: yes, that's the right file, did you run ltsp-update-image after editing it?
13:17
abeehc: if you want a fat chroot to function as a thin one, specify LTSP_FATCLIENT=False in lts.conf
13:18
<Mip5>
alkisg: yes, I did run ltsp-update-image
13:18
<alkisg>
Mip5: get a local shell, to try manually: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
13:19
first, try this: ntpdate server
13:19
<mgariepy>
for ubuntu package look at revolution linux ppa
13:19
for pam-script
13:19
:D
13:20
<Mip5>
alkisg: where should I (in which terminal) should run that?
13:21
<alkisg>
In the SCREEN_02=shell terminal
13:21
See the link I pasted above
13:21
<Mip5>
ok - back in a minute
13:21
<abeehc>
alkisg: my lts.copnf wasn't applying
13:22
but i'm rebuilding again from scratch
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13:29
<Mip>
alkisg: ntpdate server yields, : setp time server 192.168.0.254 offset 21350.706920
13:29
that's "step" not setp
13:30
<alkisg>
Mip: did you use the word "server", or whatever you have in TIMESERVER in lts.conf?
13:30
<Mip>
alkisg: maybe not - let me go look
13:30
<alkisg>
Use whatever you have in lts.conf
13:32
<Mip>
alkisg: I used: TIMESERVER = 10.105.0.40 (my lan address for the ltsp server).
13:33
when I enter: ntpdate TIMESERVER - I get "Error " Name or service not known
13:33
<alkisg>
OK. And, `getltscfg -a` returns that timeserver?
13:33
TIMESERVER is not a variable, so yeah that's ok
13:34
If you use eval $(getltscfg -a), then you could do ntpdate $TIMESERVER. But it doesn't matter, just see if `getltscfg -a` returns the correct setting for TIMESERVER.
13:34
I.e. if your lts.conf settings properly propagate to the client
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<Mip>
Sorry - if I enter: `getltscfg -a` I get: command not found. How should I entering this
13:35
<alkisg>
getltscfg -a
13:35
<Zarrku_>
I hope someonein here is good with ltsp
13:36
<alkisg>
Mip: if getltscfg is not in your path, then maybe you didn't do the steps for SCREEN_02 properly?
13:36
<Zarrku_>
Cause I need some help setting up ltsp on edubuntu
13:36
<Mip>
If I enter it w/out the ticks, I get TIMESERVER = "10.105.0.40"
13:36
<alkisg>
OK, and below that, you see export TIMESERVER ?
13:36
<Mip>
should ip address of TIMESERVER be in quotes? Mine is?
13:36
Yes - below that I see export TIMESERVER
13:36
<alkisg>
Yes, it's ok that it is quoted
13:37
Now do: grep ntpdate /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common
13:37
13:37
Does it return exactly this? ^
13:38
<Mip>
No! It looks like it returns the previous line (that I thought I deleted)!
13:38
<alkisg>
OK, then that's why it's not working
13:39
<Mip>
Right - but I double checked the file. Let me look at it again....
13:42
<Zarrku_>
This is a new setup of ltsp installed from the edubuntu 10.10 iso.
13:45
<alkisg>
Mip: you did reboot your client after running ltsp-update-image, right?
13:47
<Mip>
alkisg: yes I did. I wonder if I somehow botched the edit or something. I just checked the file, and my change was *not* there. I just put it back in, and will rebuild the image and reboot the clients
13:49
<alkisg>
vagrantc, Gadi, stgraber, btw LTSP clients, I think both in Ubuntu and Debian, don't get an "if-up" event, so scripts like /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate don't get to run (and also some upstart services). Should we fake an if-up event as part of the ltsp boot process?
13:50
<vagrantc>
curious idea
13:51
<stgraber>
we can't "fake it" when it should happen as that'd be in the initrd
13:51
but we can have ltsp's init script do a runparts on /etc/network/if-up.d/ or something
13:51
<alkisg>
stgraber: not necessarily, e.g. for upstart we can emit a network-ready message (don't remember the exact wording)
13:52
And what you said about the if-up.d dir, and the respective network manager dir
13:52
<vagrantc>
could just create a fake device and then ifup that...
13:53
then we don't have to second-guess the logic of how the ifup scripts rn
13:53
run
13:53
<stgraber>
except that AFAIK it works the other way around on a regular system
13:53
as in, if-up.d triggers the net-device-up event in upstart
13:53
it's no upstart triggering if-up.d
13:53
<alkisg>
Network manager triggers if-up.d on normal ubuntu systems
13:54
But we can look about "how" later,
13:54
first, would it be ok to do that? To somehow fake an if-up event?
13:54
Or should we better file bug reports somewhere else?
13:55
E.g. "network manager doesn't emit if-up events on netbooted systems" etc
13:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg, stgraber: is there a more minimalist package to install on an LTSP server other than ubuntu-desktop that pulls in most everything?
13:55
i.e. i don't want xserver-xorg-* or gdm or any of that
13:55
<Mip>
alkisg: Thanks man. I don't how I goofed that, but it's all working now.
13:55
<alkisg>
Mip: you're welcome
13:56
<stgraber>
vagrantc: not that I'm aware of. You could start with ubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends but you'll still be missing a huge part of the desktop as pretty much everything is a recommend
13:56
<vagrantc>
still pulls in gdm and xserver-xorg*
13:57
*sigh*
13:57
<stgraber>
argh, yeah, gdm is a hard depend :(
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: no X? Like e.g. ubuntu-standard?
13:58
<stgraber>
alkisg: he said LTSP server, so I assumed that means including some kind of desktop environment, just without X server
13:59* alkisg probably missed something there - where will the clients login to?
13:59
<alkisg>
Ah, is that possible? To install e..g gnome without X?
13:59
<stgraber>
it should be possible to build a ubuntu-desktop-nox package using the same script that builds ubuntu-desktop
13:59
<vagrantc>
essentially setting up an application server ... the thin clients are still running debian's LTSP ... just want an ubuntu box to log in to
13:59
<stgraber>
alkisg: sure, you just need libX11, you don't need the X server or gdm to have a working ltsp
14:00
<Mip>
Is there a way to have the time on the login screen show in our local time zone, rather than UTC?
14:00
<alkisg>
OK - just thought that gnome and the other DEs would hard depend on X...
14:00
<vagrantc>
Mip: man lts.conf ... look for TIMEZONE
14:00
<alkisg>
Mip: TIMEZONE in lts.conf
14:00
<stgraber>
vagrantc: if you want something easy to setup, I'd just go with a regular ubuntu desktop, install ssh, disable gdm. You'll be wasting ~150-200MB of disk space but that'll be easy to install at least
14:00
<Mip>
excellent! Thanks gang!
14:01
<vagrantc>
stgraber: yeah, that's probably the simplest thing to do
14:02
seems like it wouldn't be too hard to split the package into two packages: ubuntu-desktop-applications and ubuntu-desktop
14:03
would be useful for ltsp servers
14:04
<alkisg>
!bot are you around?
14:04
Hmmm Scotty had progress with the pam stuff but not with the bot :)
14:10
<Mip>
thanks again all - take care
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<Zarrku_>
hehe
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14:21
<muppis>
Quick look at ubuntu-desktop depencies looks like removing xorg from list makes it what vagrantc wants as ubuntu-desktop-applications.
14:22
<vagrantc>
removing gdm would be nice too
14:22
<muppis>
Yes, somehow I missed that.
14:24
I can easily do that and put it my own repo, if you want?
14:25
<vagrantc>
seems like at least filing a bug on ubuntu-desktop would be worth it
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<herman_>
anyone care to help me out with some network issues?
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