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Channel log from 22 February 2012   (all times are UTC)

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05:55
<alkisg>
!ipappend
05:55
<ltsp`>
alkisg: ipappend: to temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 as the last line of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg. You might also need to specify nbdroot=server-ip:2000 in the kernel command line.
05:56
<alkisg>
!forget ipappend
05:56
<ltsp`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
05:58
<alkisg>
!learn ipappend as o temporarily solve DHCP problems in the initramfs, try putting IPAPPEND 3 after the APPEND line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default. More info: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
05:58
<ltsp`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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10:31
<torbjorn>
turns out my new thinclient hw nic's arent supported by the 6.1 kernel, and I read that fedora 15+ is "moving away" from ltsp support, what options do I have?
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10:37
<torbjorn>
can I chroot into the client install and try to compile or patch a newer kernel?
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11:20
<knipwim>
torbjorn: trying wouldn't hurt
11:21
if you don't overwrite your existing kernel, you can always move back
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12:38
<torbjorn>
how can I limit access to local usb media on a ltsp client?
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12:50
<Hyperbyte>
torbjorn, define 'limit'
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13:44
<torbjorn>
Hyperbyte: i dont want users to be bale to be able to access local usb storage media
13:45
I discovered something odd.. Im trying to use an old laptop as thin client, if I have its local hard drive in it, it boots fine, if I take out the hard drive, it only gets to loading initrd...... and then reboots
13:45
<muppis>
torbjorn, do you take it physically out or just disabled it?
13:45
<torbjorn>
physically
13:45
<knipwim>
torbjorn: on the usb access limitation, you could remove the thin client usb block device kernel stuff
13:46
<torbjorn>
thanks
13:46
<muppis>
For me looks like hw issue, as got same behaviour in one dekstop machine.
13:46
Desktop..
13:46
<torbjorn>
hm pity. would be nice to be bale to run without
13:46
<knipwim>
torbjorn: don't know for sure though
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13:47
<knipwim>
the local usb stuff might be handled by ltspfs entirely, i don't know which part the client kernel plays in this
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13:56
<torbjorn>
muppis: if i remove the hard drive from the boot order i get the same issue
13:56
ie physically in the machine, but removed from boot order
13:57
is there anything in initrd or the kernel that requires some form of local storage?
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14:08
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, torbjorn, can't you just disable ... ehm
14:08
!lts.conf
14:08
<ltsp`>
Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
14:09
<Hyperbyte>
LOCALDEV
14:09
And then for booting, remove the USB media from boot order, disable boot with F-key, and set a setup password?
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14:36
<||cw>
torbjorn: I have several PXE boot systems with no hdd at all.
14:37
could be something odd with that laptop. try disabling the IDE/sata controllers in the bios
14:52
<alkisg>
!update-grub
14:52
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "update-grub" is not a valid command.
14:53
<alkisg>
!learn update-grub as one way to work around grub problems in fat chroots, is to execute this command inside your chroot: ln -s /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d /etc/grub.d/00_avoid-update-grub
14:53
<ltsp`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
15:01
<muppis>
Hyperbyte, my issue actually was failing psu. Didn't stsy stable if there was enough load on it.
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15:18
<alkisg>
The ESPEAKER variable is only for the esd daemon, right? Currently we're also setting it when we use pulseaudio...
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15:26
<dobber>
so, i updated my fat client, ltsp-update-image, ltsp-update-kernels
15:26
and now it won't boot up
15:26
with no errors on the screen :(
15:26
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
15:26
<ltsp`>
alkisg: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
15:26
<alkisg>
dobber: ^
15:26
<dobber>
i removed it
15:26
it just shows a pointer at the bottom left
15:27
<alkisg>
And what's the last message you see?
15:28
<dobber>
no messages at all
15:28
i have a pxecfg with menus
15:28
after i select a config it just hangs
15:28
<alkisg>
Remove the menu so that you can see if the kernel is loaded or not
15:28
<dobber>
i'll do it
15:28
<alkisg>
I.e. the dots, "loading vmlinuz......."
15:29
<||cw>
check your syslog too to make sure the server is getting the tftp req for the kernel
15:30
even with the menu I always see the loading dots
15:32
<dobber>
i crafted a new pxecfg and started tftpd in verbose mode
15:33
it now says that it's missing a vmlinuz file
15:33
witch is there
15:35
ok for now it's not ltsp problem
15:35
thanks for the tips
15:36
can i test if nbd is working correct too ?
15:37
<alkisg>
NBD is much later, you need to see a lot of kernel messages scroll by before you reach the nbd mounting stage
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15:39
<dobber>
Feb 22 17:39:09 fatserver in.tftpd[3646]: RRQ from 10.1.245.239 filename /ltsp/i386/oneiric/vmlinuz
15:39
the file is there
15:39
but it does not load
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<dobber>
could not find kernel image
15:42
<alkisg>
!tftp
15:42
<ltsp`>
alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
15:43
<alkisg>
dobber: have a look at that ^
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<dobber>
works now, some files were only permisions 600 after ltsp-update-kernels
15:57
witch for me was ok, because tftpd-hpa is run with root permissions
15:58
changing to 644 fixed the problem
15:59
ltsp-update-kernels just copy the kernels from the /opt/ltsp/ dirs, right ?
16:00
right
16:01
<alkisg>
If you have a new kernel in an old ubuntu version, then you need a newer ltsp-update-image code
16:01
(or to just manually update the permissions after each kernel upgrade)
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<dobber>
i'm gonna forget to do it manualy :)
16:02
maybe i'll just change ltsp-update-kernels to do it for me
16:03
my server is lucid, my fat client is oneiric
16:03
thank you again
16:04
<alkisg>
You're welcome
16:05
<dobber>
find $TFTPBOOT/$CHROOT_NAME/ -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;
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16:22
<xsl>
if i need to remote connect to a client computer i should have vinagre as localapp right?
16:22
from LTSP server to LTSP client
16:23
or i just need like edubuntu the Thin Client Manager?
16:24
<alkisg>
The client needs only to activate his vino-server, if you're using gnome
16:24
(that's the already included vnc server, in remote desktop preferences)
16:24
If you want a program that automates all that instead, check epoptes:
16:24
!epoptes
16:24
<ltsp`>
alkisg: epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
16:24
<xsl>
i'm using xubuntu
16:25
<alkisg>
epoptes works there too
16:25
Otherwise just run a vnc server on the client
16:25
<xsl>
epoptes on the chroot?
16:25
<alkisg>
No need to run it locally unless you also want to control the login screen
16:25
If you install epoptes on the server only, you can control the client after he logs in
16:26
If you install epoptes-client to the chroot as well, you can control it at login screen too
16:26
<xsl>
t control the login screen i use freenx ( its faster than vnc )
16:26
<alkisg>
So yeah that's the best
16:26
You can't have local logins with freenx
16:26
<xsl>
not on the clients
16:26
on the server itself
16:26
i use freenx to connect to LTSP server remotely
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16:27
<xsl>
it uses port 22 and the setup is not that hard
16:27
<alkisg>
Yes, I wasn't talking about that
16:27
I meant if you want to control the thin client before the users log in
16:27
<xsl>
yes alkisg i understand your point
16:27
tyvm once again for your support
16:28
<alkisg>
np
16:30
<xsl>
i tought that epoptes was something like edubuntu TCM
16:30
<alkisg>
Yes, it's something like that
16:30
Like italc, if you've heard that
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19:04
<rwmarch>
Unable to authenticate at a particular website, mysafilo.com, from a thin client. Login is normal from a web browser on the console. All applications are on the server, browser not running on LTSP thin client
19:04
Any hints?
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<rwmarch>
Seems that the chroot environment is doing something to prevent authentication at this partcular website. Returns "wrong password" when using an LTSP thin client. The server is Ubuntu 10.04.
19:27
Maybe something is missing from the chroot?
19:28
<alkisg>
rwmarch: type your password somewhere where you can see it so that you verify it's not a keyboard layout problem
19:28
<rwmarch>
Roger that. Will do.
19:34
Typed the characters into a text terminal on the client using the standard Canadian layout on the US English keyboard. I am seeing the expected characters -- in fact, all digits. Tried with and withuot using keypad.
19:35
withuot = without
19:35
<alkisg>
OK, I've no other ideas why a thin client would do that, as the process really runs on your server
19:36
<rwmarch>
Right.
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<DIoX|DaZ>
Hey, i'm freshly new using ltsp, is it normal to have ~20mbps traffic with one thinclient with 22" monitor and 24bit depth ubuntu 10.04?
20:18
<elias_a>
All the time? No IMHO.
20:18
Not...
20:25
<DIoX|DaZ>
yes, it's stable traffic :\
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<DIoX|DaZ>
it's quite strange - conf is stock :/
20:37
<alkisg>
You get that traffic when the client has no on-screen movement whatsoever?
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20:38
<alkisg>
Or do you mean that's an average traffic when you surf using the client?
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20:39
<DIoX|DaZ>
it's approx showing desktop - and watching traffic monitor ^_^
20:40
what would be normal - logical traffic? ~10mbps?
20:40
<alkisg>
Try with nothing moving on screen
20:40
You should get almost zero in this case
20:41
For moving screens, you can get anywhere from 1 kb to 1 gbps
20:41
E.g. HD video is more than 500mbps
20:41
<DIoX|DaZ>
not doing nothing is ~ 0.8mBps
20:41
<alkisg>
Yes what you're seeing is normal then
20:42
You can decrease it a bit by setting colordepth=16
20:42
<DIoX|DaZ>
i've tried that - changed gui, and set depth 8bit and got approx 500kBps
20:43
but i've never used ltsp thought that traffic would be like rdp ^_^
20:43
<alkisg>
No, it has more traffic, but it's also faster
20:43
E.g. you can see full screen video without lost frames
20:44
<DIoX|DaZ>
yes, i've noticed that it's smooth like it's installed in thinclient... will give more tries tomorrow ^_^
20:44
thank you 4 info.
20:44
<alkisg>
!ldm-directx
20:44
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "ldm-directx" is not a valid command.
20:44
<alkisg>
!LDM_DIRECTX
20:44
<ltsp`>
alkisg: Error: "LDM_DIRECTX" is not a valid command.
20:44
<alkisg>
Meh
20:44
!directx
20:44
<ltsp`>
alkisg: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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<juannn>
hi
21:01
I have an Ubuntu 11.10 LTSP set up and I am able to login with my thin client.
21:02
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
21:04
<alkisg>
Do you mean "unable"?
21:05
!sshkeys
21:05
<ltsp`>
alkisg: sshkeys: If you changed your LTSP server IP on Ubuntu, your clients will be unable to login. To fix this, you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
21:06
<juannn>
tanks ltsp'
21:07
<dead_inside>
you should be thanking alkisg.... without him ltsp would be like ME is for windows
21:07
<juannn>
i am spanish, .... problem with english l ummmmm
21:07
<dead_inside>
type: tanks alkisg
21:08
<juannn>
My problem is as this blogs question....
21:08
ok alkisg tanks
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21:08
<juannn>
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1868024
21:08
when i log with my thin client
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<juannn>
mi desktop only present this menu
21:10
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870857
21:10
<dead_inside>
from that form post, lykwydchykyn's response is actually good, it should work for u
21:10
<juannn>
this menu File Edit View Go Bookmarks Help'
21:10
<dead_inside>
that menu is from the window you have open, not the window manager
21:11
are you using Unity?
21:11
<juannn>
yes unity
21:11
<dead_inside>
close the window you have open and that menu will go away
21:12
<alkisg>
!ubuntu-2d
21:12
<ltsp`>
alkisg: ubuntu-2d: To select ubuntu-2d as your default session, put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
21:12
<juannn>
ok i'll try that, thank alkisg
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<gothaggis>
question: I have a printer shared via CUPS, but it doesn't show up if I go to a thin client and show a list of printers from the Firefox Print option. Is there something I need to do for it to show up for thin clients?
21:16
maybe lts.conf
21:16
<alkisg>
Does it show if you do it from the server?
21:18
<gothaggis>
yes
21:19
<alkisg>
And firefox is a localapp or not?
21:19
<gothaggis>
yes, its a localapp
21:20
<||cw>
you need to have cpus on the local too
21:20
cups
21:22
<gothaggis>
it is
21:22
other printers show up
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<gothaggis>
and if i go to the local cups admin page, the printer is listed there.
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<dead_inside>
gothaggis if you have your cups setup as a print server so that others can print from you can just put that print servers ip in lts.conf as CUPS_SERVER = ip
21:32
and the clients should pick it up automatically
21:53
<gothaggis>
hmm does it matter that in chroot /etc/cups/ there is no printers.conf?
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<hfranco>
i'm having an issue where my ltsp setup boots but when i try to authenticate it kicks me back out the the login screen
22:14
as per this doc: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_TroubleShooting#Launching_X_to_give_a_graphical_session
22:14
is that the same issue?
22:15
i cannot authenticate because X isn't launching correctly?
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