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Channel log from 12 October 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<jeste1>
hey - having trouble - edubuntu feisty + ltsp - users are not able to eject their USB thumb drives
02:35
we upgraded our setup from dapper, and we added a 'fuse' group to our LDAP
02:36
mostly, things work - but they are not able to eject - 'permission denied'
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<ogra>
jeste1, there is no need to eject, ltspfs does that transparently in the background after each file operation
02:58
they can just pull the keys out
02:59
<jeste1>
hey ogra
02:59
we talked to you a couple o' weeks back
03:00
there is an 'eject' option available for each drive
03:00
if we simply pull out the device, we get nautilus warnings
03:00
about unsafe device removal
03:02
second problem - if a user inserts a thumb drive into the ltsp server machine - a nautilus window appears on *each* client machine
03:02
and the clients have no permission to read the files so they get a warning dialog as well :-(
03:03
ogra, question - if users can just remove the thumb drive - how do they know when it is safe to pull out the drive if thye are copying a large file?
03:07
ogra, third question - how do we prevent all the drives on the LTSP server machine showing as desktop icons on the client desktops?
03:08
fourth q - why is /proc/mounts filled up with a 'huge' number of fuse mounts? shouldn't they all be cleaned up after the user logs out?
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<jeste1>
hey ogra
03:13
why is there is an 'eject' option available for each drive on the clients if they shouldn't eject? just an oversight? or did we configure it wrong?
03:13
second problem - if a user inserts a thumb drive into the ltsp server machine - a nautilus window appears on *each* client machine
03:13
and the clients have no permission to read the files so they get a warning dialog as well :-(
03:13
ogra, question - if users can just remove the thumb drive - how do they know when it is safe to pull out the drive if thye are copying a large file?
03:13
ogra, third question - how do we prevent all the drives on the LTSP server machine showing as desktop icons on the client desktops?
03:13
fourth q - why is /proc/mounts filled up with a 'huge' number of fuse mounts? shouldn't they all be cleaned up after the user logs out?
03:17
<ogra>
hmm, sounds a bit like your ldm is broken, it is responsible for setting up the variables that gnomevfs, screensaver and powermanager need
03:17
(ldm is the login manager)
03:20
for the mount on server prob: run sudo gconf-editor, uset the automount and aoutobrowse keys under /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/, make them mandatory and default settings (right click on the key to get to that options)
03:20
that will stop the automounting for all users
03:21
(for server based devices (doesnt affect ltsp)
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<jeste1>
we have two keys - automount_drives and automount_media should I do both?
03:29
the autobrowse key is marked as read-only - how can I modify it?
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<lns>
is it common to have lingering procs like "/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 4 --print-address 6 --session" and "python /usr/bin/scp-client"? If not, how can I flush them when they're obviously not in use?
03:33
also, i have a lot of "/bin/nbd-server 0 /tmp/fileWgeBed" type lingering procs
03:33
this is ubuntu feisty btw
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<jeste1>
ogra - I changed the keys in gconf-editor, but if i put a usb drive in the LTSP server it still pops up on client machines
03:37
and when users log into client machines, they still see the hard disks and floppy drive on the server...
03:56
ogra you still around?
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<ogra>
jeste1, hm, you said you upgraded from dapper ... how did you do that exactly ?
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<jeste1>
hey ogra
04:23
aptitude dist-upgrade
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then we did rm -rf /opt/ltsp and a complete rebuild of ltsp-server
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<ogra>
to edgy i hope
04:25
before upgrading to feisty
04:25
else you'll have very unpredictable results
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<jeste1>
hmmm...
04:27
sorry, I'm not sure we went thru edgy - probably just straight to feisty
04:27
is there anyway I can check that out?
04:28
<ogra>
not really
04:28
<jeste1>
how should I resolve this upgrade cleanly? Wipe and install gutsy from scratch?
04:28
<ogra>
but the different releases make different changes to defaults beyond that you should never use apt or aptitude for a distro upgrade oin ubuntu
04:29
thats what upgrade manager is for ...
04:29
i.e. in feisty ubuntu doesnt use device names anymore, all devices are accessed by their UUID
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<jeste1>
wow, i'm really shocked to hear that... I was a debian user for years, and apt-get dist-upgrade always worked
04:29
<ogra>
if you didnt do the upgrade the proper way that migration wont be complete
04:30
<jeste1>
but i'm confused - how is it possible that apt-get dist-upgrade is *not* the proper way?
04:30
<ogra>
also we have many probs with third party aps like automatix since they break the upgrades
04:30
<jeste1>
we don't use automatix
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<ogra>
so update-manager cares to revert the bad changes such apps do
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<jeste1>
hmm..
04:31
that would explain why we have wierd things happening - i'm just really shocked that I would have to first go from dapper => edgy, and then edgy ->feisty
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<ogra>
its stated in all upgrade instructions
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<jeste1>
and that I should use the GUI update-manager instead of the command line apt-get dis-upgrade - what about all the remote machines I maintain?
04:32
<ogra>
at least in all official ones (wiki, website, help.ubuntu.com and the shipped docs)
04:32
there is a commandline version for that purpose
04:33
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
04:33
<jeste1>
ah - sorry didn't know - I've just used debian for so long...
04:33
how can I fix it? Install for scratch?
04:34
<ogra>
that'd be your safest option i guess
04:34
its hard to tell whats all wrong in that state
04:34
might be minor coud be a lot ...
04:35
<jeste1>
ok - then maybe we will wait until gutsy is out and then do it
04:35
<ogra>
we will support LTS -> LTS upgrades
04:35
but nobody checks what breaks if you skip releases :)
04:35
<jeste1>
:-)
04:35
thanks ogra
04:35
talk to you after gutsy is out and let you know how it worked
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<ogra>
well, gutsy is in RC state
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<jeste1>
we're having horrible X performance with images
04:36
we REALLY hope gutsy fixes that
04:36
<ogra>
in feisty ?
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<jeste1>
(load avg > 15 with 7 users...) with feisty
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<ogra>
gutsy offers an unencrypted ldm mode
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<jeste1>
ok
04:36
<ogra>
that should drop the load a lot
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<jeste1>
yeah - we hope
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<ogra>
it still uses ssh for passwords etc ...
04:37
<jeste1>
cool
04:37
thanks again for the help
04:37
ciao
04:37
<ogra>
ciao
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<sep>
does ltsp-build-client support more then 1 --mirror ?
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<muh2000>
sep i dont know but the mirrors give good speed
05:20
<sep>
i meen debian main + skolelinux local
05:21
not multiple with main
05:22
or a hook where you can copy in a custom sources.list after the base install
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<muh2000>
i have a problem. "switchroot: exec of inet (/sbin/init) failed!: 2" i am a bit confused about the content of my /opt/ltsp/ folder.... there is a amd64 folder but not a i386 folder... where do i get the files for i386 ?
05:22
people are actually using sko linux? interessting ^^
05:23
<ari_stress>
muh2000: your server is 64bit?
05:23
<ogra>
sep, --extra-mirror
05:23
<sep>
ogra, YAY !
05:23
<muh2000>
ari_stress: yes it is but it is news to me that ltsp had a problem with that
05:23
<sep>
is there --extra-components too ?
05:24
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client --extra-help ;)
05:25
no extra-components though, but yu can override the default
05:25
<muh2000>
ogra: ok thanks :) the clients will automatically chose between 64 and 32 bit ?
05:25
<sep>
muh2000, the whole muncipialty runs skolelinux here,
05:25
10 schools
05:26
might expand the network to the neigbouring muncipiality too
05:26
<ari_stress>
muh2000: if your server is 64bit but your clients is 32bit. then you must build the client env for 32bit
05:26
<muh2000>
sep i c ^^
05:27
ari_stress: ok, the last time i installed ltsp was when there were no 64bit releases ^^
05:27
<ari_stress>
muh2000: in ubuntu. use the command: ltsp-build-client --arch i386
05:28
<muh2000>
ari_stress: figured that already out with extended help, but thnx anyway :) is there somethings i should be aware of with the kernels?
05:28
<sep>
ogra, what does the part about lower priority mean ? eg if a packages is in both main and local with higer version in local will you get the local or the main one ?
05:29
<ari_stress>
none i think
05:29
<ogra>
you should get the local one
05:29
<muh2000>
ok
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<muh2000>
hmmm still the problem no init...
05:34
why the hell was ltspadmin killed anyway? that programm was good....
05:36
kernel panic - not syncinf attempted to kill init!
05:36
i dont get it
05:38
what else happened since the last time i did that stuff? what was changed in configuration the ltsp stuff?
05:41
where is programm LTSPADMIN ?
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<sep>
hmm i fail to find --extra-components
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<muh2000>
hmmmm i got a littlebit further but now there a msgs repeating themself: "scsi0: Someone reset Channel A". well i switched the scsi controller off in the bios (is an old computer with onboard scsi i am using for ltsp)
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<sep>
there is no --extra-components
06:22
so --extra-mirror is not useable in my scenario
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<muh2000>
ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror ??
06:25
<sep>
is the one i am talking about yes
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<ogra>
sep, debian uses only main as default, just add --components main,<whatever_you_want_here>
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(guessing skole doesnt differ in that selection)
06:34
<sep>
ogra, problem is that those is added to every mirror
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so while i want http://skole etch local and http://debian etch main
06:34
i do get http://skole etch main local and http://debian etch main local
06:34
and that obviously does not work
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<ogra>
ah, right
06:36
hmm
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<sep>
so i am looking at how to copy in a premade sources.list at the rigth location
06:36
<ogra>
thats easy :)
06:36
<sep>
(when you know how)
06:37
<ogra>
oh, seems debian didnt take my copy sourceslist plugin
06:38
cp /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/015-sources-list /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/015-sources-list
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--copy-sourceslist will then copy the servers list into the client
06:39
you can modify it to use /etc/ltsp/sources.list or so
06:39
<sep>
there is no such file in ltsp-server 0.99debian12+0.0.edu.etch.7
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<ogra>
ouch 0.99 is pretty old
06:39
is that sarge ?
06:39
<sep>
is it available in svn or web somewhere
06:39
etch
06:40
rather debien-edu etch
06:40
ogra, the servers list would be fine
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<ogra>
http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ltsp/gutsy-ltsp/annotate/ogra%40ubuntu.com-20071005161630-nt5a2w9eb5ro45ah?file_id=015sourceslist-20070331180848-if6tfyncjw0rkqur-1
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<sep>
ogra, i got it from the package in sid
06:42
this is probably just gonna explode in my face knowing my luck :)
06:42
<ogra>
nah
06:42
it doesnt use aything special :)
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<sep>
still use mirror for base i assume
06:44
<ogra>
yeah
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<sep>
ltsp-build-client --security-mirror http://www:9999/security --mirror http://www:9999/debian --copy-sourceslist --accept-unsigned-packages --dist etch --late-packages sitesummary-client,debian-edu-artwork,debian-edu-archive-keyring,ltspfsd --debconf-seeds /usr/lib/debian-edu-install/defaults.thin-client-server --early-packages debian-edu-archive-keyring
06:49
seams to work
06:49
ogra, thanks :)
06:49
<ogra>
:)
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<aep>
hi
07:05
i'm trying to get a machine to boot with PXE
07:06
it gets the filename from dhcp and tryes then doanlofing pxelinunx.cfg/default
07:06
then it stops saying "TFTP server does not support the tsize option"
07:06
actualy i thought it has....
07:12
that was the netkit tfpd btw. the hp one just sits there doiung nothing
07:19
oh never mind. i got the path wrong
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<aep>
hmm
07:29
ltsp client says: "nfs: server not responding, still trying" and the server says: "Oct 12 14:25:33 weaver mountd[5874]: authenticated mount request from ws101.ltsp:964 for /opt/ltsp/i386 (/opt/ltsp)"
07:29
<sep>
should i not get a ltsp-client package installed inside the chroot.. ??!?
07:32
<Blinny>
aep: I had that, and in dhcpd.conf I do this to solve it: option option-129 "MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048";
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<aep>
trying that thanks
07:36
hm. no
07:37
a manual mount doesn't work either. i guess once again nfs hates me
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and i hate it back
07:38
oh wait. a localmount works fine
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only when running the rpc dameon of course :/
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<aep>
any chance to run ltsp without nfs? i really hate it
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<Blinny>
aep: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
07:44
<aep>
uh buntu. well thanks
07:45
btw i'm uzsing PXE, not etherboot
07:45
i guess that means those options are ignored
07:45
<Blinny>
aep: What distro are you using?
07:46
<aep>
archlinux
07:46
doesn't matter much. it's vanilla stuff mostlay
07:47
ah i found a way to tell PXE that options.
07:47
thanks to the ltsp wiki.
07:47
let's try
07:51
yehha
07:51
thanks Blinny :)
07:54
<Blinny>
No worries.
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<pani_alex>
hi
08:14
i have a dude, if my ltsp servir is a 64bits version, do my client hardware need to supor 64bits?
08:14
<multik>
hi group
08:14
<pani_alex>
o/
08:14
<multik>
I don't think so.
08:15
<pani_alex>
so i can use k12ltsp 64 bits and have for clients p1 100Mhz?
08:15
<Blinny>
pani_alex: Yes.
08:16
<pani_alex>
great
08:16
and if i wana use kubuntu for may server, its dificult to install the ltsp for it? take in mind im not a linux user
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<aep>
bah. no love from xdm
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<Blinny>
ogra: Morning. Is there an up-to-date HOWTO for LTSP5 on Gutsy?
08:18
<ogra>
Blinny, its the same procedure as in feistz
08:19
*feisty
08:19
!ubuntu
08:19
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
08:20
<pani_alex>
!kubuntu
08:20
<ltspbot>
pani_alex: Error: "kubuntu" is not a valid command.
08:20
<pani_alex>
:(
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<aep>
kubuntu is just another buntu last time i looked
08:21
so it's the same as ubuntu
08:21
the guide should work with it
08:21
<pani_alex>
ok
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<ogra>
right
08:22
it only differs in the artwork, if you have a running kubuntu desktop it will automatically use kubuntu art
08:23
<muh2000>
damn now it tells me "nfs: need a path"
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<aep>
hm gdm doesn't show up either. weird
08:25
<muh2000>
dhcpd and nfs exports are configured...
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<Blinny>
ogra: Thank you.
08:27
<aep>
any logfile for the X sevrer?
08:27
i would like to see why there is no xdmcp login
08:27
i enabled a shell on the client
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just can't find the X log
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<Blinny>
aep: In 4.2 I have one on the client console in /tmp/mnt/xorg.log
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<Blinny>
ogra: In testing Gutsy/LTSP5, I can't use 192.168.0.1 because it's an IP on my current LTSP setup. Where do I need to look to make the SERVER change? /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
08:33
<ogra>
usually only in your dhcp setup
08:34
<Blinny>
Ah. Okay cool. Thank you.
08:34
<aep>
Blinny: thanks
08:34
nothing special in it grr
08:37
"Xnest -query 192.168.0.2 :2 " does that sound right for testing?
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i get a blank screen
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ffs going to run kdm. it worked the last time i tryed it
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<pani_alex>
cuestion, with apt get install -d i let the install files i downloaded from internet on my disk, how do i know with are all the files the program i downloaded need to install that program?
08:42
<Blinny>
pani_alex: apt-get follows dependencies
08:44
<pani_alex>
dont undestand
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<pani_alex>
Blinny: i dont understand, is that a command?
08:47
<Blinny>
pani_alex: apt-get will download all the files for whatever program you tell it to, including required libraries
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<pani_alex>
yes i know that, but i want to let the files on disck so i bur a cd with that one and the next time i need to install dont need to download all it again
08:48
so how do i know wich file correspod to wich installer
08:49
<ogra>
pani_alex, is that ubuntu or debian ?
08:50
<pani_alex>
kubuntu
08:50
<ogra>
use the --keep-packages option
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<ogra>
it will keep the packages in /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/archives
08:51
ltsp-build-client --extra-help is really helpful ;)
08:51
<pani_alex>
gona google that command to read about it
08:51
<ogra>
just type it in a terminal :)
08:52
<pani_alex>
a ok i have writen here that ivery program i download with apt-get lets is souce in the same folder making a salad, but if it will stay on /opt/ltsp... the ok
08:53
other cuestion to use the ltsp pakage, i need to install kubuntu like a siple pc or like a server?
08:54
<aep>
hey is there any xdmcp capable logion manager wich can auto login a specific user depending on the machine name?
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<ogra>
you need a desktop
08:55
<pani_alex>
ok
08:55
<ogra>
aep, i think the old ltsp used gdm for that :)
08:55
<Blinny>
ogra: The server needs to have ubuntu-desktop installed for the clients to boot into X?
08:55
<ogra>
there must be scripts on ltsp.org
08:55
<aep>
yeah but gdm is quiet hard to convince to actualy use xdmcp :/
08:55
<ogra>
Blinny, no, but to log in to anything
08:55
<Blinny>
Maybe that's my problem. I downloaded server and followed QuickInstall my clients just boot to a console and I can't log in.
08:55
<ogra>
Blinny, the login anager executes /etc/X11/Xsession by default ...
08:55
<Blinny>
ogra: So it'll work but it won't work? (;
08:56
And that's not a part of the /opt/ltsp tree
08:56
Gotchya.
08:56
<ogra>
right, thats already the session on the server
08:56
<Blinny>
Thanks.
08:56
<aep>
oh wait. kdm can do it. never mind
08:56
<ogra>
Blinny, well, the login manager should have started though
08:56
you should see it on the client
08:57
<Blinny>
ogra: I get a blinking cursor in top-left that just stays, and then if I hit alt+f1 I get the console login.
08:57
<ogra>
hmm
08:57
<Blinny>
Actually I get a blinking cursor on all VTs except 1
08:57
<ogra>
nothing on console 7 ?
08:57
<Blinny>
Nope.
08:57
<ogra>
thats fine we only start one tty
08:57
to save ram
08:57
<Blinny>
But I don't have any X on the server
08:58
<ogra>
do you know what kind of graphics card that is ?
08:58
<Blinny>
The only different thing I did from QuickInstall is hand-install dhcp server
08:58
I think it's a TNT2 nvidia riva series
08:58
oh wait
08:58
sorry
08:58
client is i810
08:58
<aep>
err. what's the port for xdmcp?
08:58
<ogra>
ah
08:58
Blinny, i have actually three ltsp fixes left before release ...
08:59
<Blinny>
Okay. I'll stop bothering you then (;
08:59
<ogra>
one of them is to default to 24bit clordepth since intel cards fail to start in 32 :P
08:59
create /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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add
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[default]
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X_COLOR_DEPTH=24
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then boot the client again
09:00
should work
09:00
<Blinny>
Will do. Thanks.
09:00
<multik>
why in the world would one need 32bit color depth on terminal client?
09:00
<Blinny>
But I need ubuntu-desktop installed on the server in order to log in
09:00
<multik>
15k is more than enough
09:00
<ogra>
right
09:00
<Blinny>
Thanks ogra
09:00
multik: I use 16, but yah (;
09:01
<ogra>
multik, it looks odd in 16 ... gradients with stairstepping etc
09:02
<aep>
meh. i need some help guys. i'm not getting any desktop manager to run xdmcp. when i do "Xnest :2 -query 192.168.0.2" i just get a gray window
09:02
and no log entry
09:02
<multik>
I was amazed how big difference it makes when using 15k instead of 16k
09:02
<ogra>
yeah
09:02
its only one bit :)
09:03
err Kbit :)
09:03
<pani_alex>
ogra: i get one dude, the install will stay in /opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/archieves and i need to coppy that wole folder "../ltsp" or only "../archieves" so i will burn it on cd?
09:03
<ogra>
for the packages only copy the content of the archives folder
09:04
<pani_alex>
ok, and how do i install the next that the conten of archieves?
09:06
fist of all
09:06
i have hear some time that i can build a repository server for my lan
09:07
so when i need to install or upgrade something i get to that server and if more than 2 times the same file consulted it will be faster
09:07
how do i build that?, if my os is kubuntu my repository server must to be kubuntu ro doesent metter?
09:07
<ogra>
have a look at the apt-proxy package for that server
09:08
beyond that i thik there is a copy:/// protocol you could probably use for the --mirror option
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09:08
<ogra>
not sure though
09:08
<pani_alex>
you have never use a repository server?
09:09
<ogra>
pani_alex, in case of ubuntu its probably the least work to just download an edubuntu CD ... mount that and run ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom --security-mirror none
09:10
that will exclusively use the CD ... and the edubuntu CD brings everything with it for an ltsp install
09:11
(since yu use kubuntu it will download kubuntu-artwork-usplash though)
09:11
<pani_alex>
ok will try
09:13
<aep>
omg i'm going to kill myself
09:13
it's all just becouse i commented a line out in xdm.conf with #
09:13
<multik>
another lost soul :)
09:14
<aep>
instead of "!"
09:14
man...
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09:17
<ogra>
standards are great, arent they ? :P
09:19
<pani_alex>
how do i see the version of my kubuntu
09:19
?
09:19
in winxp is win+pause :P
09:19
<aep>
and the worst thing, instead of dropping an error it just ignored the "#" and used the rest of the line
09:20
nice
09:20
<ogra>
lsb_release -a
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09:24
<pani_alex>
there doesent say if its 32 or 64 bits
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<mistik1>
pani_alex: uname -m will tell you want arch you have booted
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09:28
<Blinny>
So I have a VESA Mode listed in xorg.conf that is 1024x768, with all the ModeAttributes, WinGranularity, BytesPerScanline etc but I can't specify a 1024x768 in lts.conf for this client - it ignores it and goes 800x600
09:28
Anyone have an idea how I can run a VESA xserver at 1024x768 for this i810 card? I'd really like to dump the i810 xserver
09:29
<pani_alex>
mistik1: x86_64=?
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<jammcq>
gooood morning
09:30
<mistik1>
Blinny: I may be way off base but you could try adding a videoram option also
09:30
<Blinny>
jammcq: Morning
09:30
mistik1: How would that affect the resolution chosen?
09:30
<mistik1>
Morning Pop
09:31
<pani_alex>
mistik1: x86_64=? its a 64bits?
09:31
<ogra>
Blinny, thats on the gutsy install ?
09:31
<mistik1>
Blinny: It may tell the driver for sure that there is enough VideoRam to do that mode
09:31
<Blinny>
ogra: No, this is trying to stop the bleeding on my K12 box
09:31
<ogra>
ah
09:31
<mistik1>
Blinny: Listen to ogra over me on this though
09:32
pani_alex: I would think that obvious
09:32
<Blinny>
mistik1: I think ogra is just worried about bugs in gutsy right now (;
09:32
<ogra>
mistik1, well, my knwledge about 4.2 is limited
09:32
<mistik1>
heh
09:32
<ogra>
and what Blinny said :) we release in a week
09:32
<pani_alex>
ok
09:33
<Blinny>
Woah
09:33
<mistik1>
Maybe we need to start another Macromedia petition
09:33
<Blinny>
It works if I set X_COLOR_DEPTH = 8
09:34
<mistik1>
Blinny: Things like that is why I made the suggestion
09:34
<ogra>
likely a ram issue then ... can you set shared ram in the BIOS of that thing ?
09:34
<pani_alex>
ok, i have a 64bits installer cd and want to make a repository server for my lubuntu, the server must to be ubuntu or can be slackware?
09:34
<Blinny>
ogra: No.
09:35
ogra: These BIOSs seriously blow goats.
09:35
<ogra>
try X_VIDEORAM (not sure thats the right name) and set it big enough
09:36
probably the X version in 4.2 needs that set
09:36
<Blinny>
I set it to 160384 for giggles and no love.
09:36
<pani_alex>
ah, me repository server will be a celeron 766 with 384 ram
09:36
<Blinny>
I'm limiting XRAMPERC to 90% - xorg.log says 'XServer limited to 311823kb RAM'
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:36
<ogra>
!s
09:36
<ltspbot>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:36
<Blinny>
Morning sbalneav
09:36
<mistik1>
Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:36
<multik>
oh morning sbalneav. just the man I was looking for :)
09:37
<sbalneav>
ogra: How much you know about trackerd?
09:37
<ogra>
not much
09:37
des it freak out for you ?
09:37
<sbalneav>
Any way to set a global exclude option for all users?
09:37
<ogra>
(i dnt think i even have t installed)
09:37
<sbalneav>
Well, it's killing my NFS home server :)
09:37
<ogra>
wow
09:37
<Blinny>
ogra: No, I think it just ignores
09:38
<pani_alex>
some one please answer me :O
09:38
<ogra>
sbalneav, you should tell that in -devel
09:38
<sbalneav>
pani_alex: What's your problem?
09:38
<ogra>
sbalneav, tracker bugs were supposed to be fixed mainly by now
09:38
<mistik1>
Well have a nice day guys
09:38* mistik1 goes back to grocking Java
09:38
<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:38
<pani_alex>
i have a 64bits installer cd(kubuntu) and want to make a repository server for my lubuntu, the server must to be ubuntu or can be slackware? my repository server will be a celeron 766 with 384 ram
09:41
<sbalneav>
pani_alex: That's not an ltsp question, is it?
09:41
<pani_alex>
mu kubuntu will be a ltsp server
09:41
<sbalneav>
pani_alex: But you're asking about setting up a repository, not an ltsp question :)
09:42
<pani_alex>
yes but is a result ok asking some cuestions about ltsp, thats becuose i'm here
09:43
<Blinny>
Can I use any X_COLOR_DEPTH values between 8 and 16 ? Like 12?
09:44
Okay. 9, 10, 12 don't work.
09:44
I still don't understand why I can't VESA higher than 8 bits.
09:44
at 1024x768
09:45
<sbalneav>
multik: So, what kind of chipset is in this terminal
09:50
<Blinny>
How is the XF86Config.1 on the client built in 4.2?
09:50
I mean, I suppose I could supply a custom xorg.conf file for this client, but I don't know that will fix the problem.
09:51
When I specify 16 in lts.conf it is actually written to XF86Config.1 - just looks like the vesa xserver ignores it
09:51
<sbalneav>
multik: Here?
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09:53
<Q-FUNK>
re
09:53
sbalneav: I think that multik wanted to know where to pre-select the amd module for a thincan. it's obviously ltsp.conf, except that I cannot rememebr the syntax or where the file goes.
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09:57
<multik>
right
09:57
that's exactly what I want Q-FUNK :)
10:01
<aep>
meh there's a 10mb oldschool hub inbeteween
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<sbalneav>
multik: XSERVER=<module>
10:09
So, XSERVER=amd
10:09
or XSERVER=vesa, etc
10:09
<multik>
aah, and it's set in ltsp.conf, right?
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<Q-FUNK>
where did the ltsp.conf go in Gutsy, again?
10:15
or is it still called lts.conf ?
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<multik>
where did the ltsp.conf go in Gutsy, again?
10:34
<Blinny>
multik, Q-FUNK: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
10:44
<multik>
I don't have it there
10:44
opt/ltsp/i386/etc
10:44
<Blinny>
You have to create it.
10:44
<sepski>
there is an example in /usr/share/doc i belive
10:46
<Blinny>
multik: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc will still work, however it is being moved to /var/lib/tftpboot/ ...
10:50
<multik>
ahah ok, I'll try, thanks
10:51
<ogra>
t was moved because we use squashfs images now ... you can use it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc but you will have to run sudo ltsp-update-iage after every change ...
10:52
if you use /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf you dont need to rebuild the iage
10:52
*image
10:52
<multik>
can I copy lts.conf from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/?
10:54
<Blinny>
Yes.
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10:59
<ogra>
well, the one we install there by default only contains a big fat warning
11:00
so you can as well create a fresh one
11:08
<Q-FUNK>
multik: please document everything you do to get this up and running.
11:08
ok, gotta run here
11:09
good night everyone!
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11:14
<lns>
Morning all (PDT ppl anyway ;) )
11:15
(in feisty/LTSP5) is it common to have lingering procs like "/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 4 --print-address 6 --session" and "python /usr/bin/scp-client"? If not, how can I flush them when they're obviously not in use?
11:15
also, i have a lot of "/bin/nbd-server 0 /tmp/fileWgeBed" type lingering procs
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<muh2000>
ltsp login: (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found
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<lns>
Looks like Novell (ugh) has somehow fixed the dbus-daemon thing, although they don't give a clue as to how... https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=158098
11:35
and another (re-opened) bug... https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=266931
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<sbalneav>
lns: The hanging nbd's can be fixed by adding the line:
11:40
nbdswapd: ALL: keepalive
11:40
to your /etc/hosts.allow file.
11:40
it's fixed in gutsy.
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<lns>
sbalneav, ty! =)
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<lns>
what was the issue w/that? do the procs get orphaned from nbdswap or something?
11:41
<sbalneav>
lns the other ones should die on logout.
11:41
Are the users logging out?
11:43
<lns>
sbalneav, not all the time - some stations were crashing due to the ff/pixmap bug (which i fixed now)
11:43
some just like to screw around (they're elementary school students =) )
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<sbalneav>
yeah, well, for the ones that don't log out, that's going to be a problem.
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<lns>
hmm
11:44
<sbalneav>
They're owned by the users, right?
11:44
<lns>
yeah
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<lns>
that's what caught my eye
11:45
<sbalneav>
moquist came up with a nice little cleanup script that gets run on login.
11:45
I've got one too that I use
11:45
<lns>
oh cool
11:45
i was about to ask about something like that
11:46
<sbalneav>
it doesn't stop them from hanging around, but does prevent them from building up.
11:46
<lns>
but you said its fixed in gutsy?
11:46
<sbalneav>
Well, the nbd one is.
11:46
there's no solution for the dbus one.
11:46
<lns>
oh yea.. ok
11:46
<sbalneav>
unless the dbus people have fixed it.
11:47
<moquist>
Right. The problem with session processes that stick around is gnome/dbus/etc. bugs.
11:47
<sbalneav>
hey moquist!
11:47
<moquist>
hey. :)
11:47
You said my name and the channel turned red, so here I am. :-)
11:47
<lns>
"D-Bus helps coordinate process lifecycle; it makes it simple and reliable to code a "single instance" application or daemon" ;)
11:48
hi moquist as well =)
11:48
<moquist>
sbalneav: We should rais a holy stink about that offensively useless FF dialog that says "You have another instance of Firefox running. Go kill that other one first."
11:48
lns: hiya.
11:48
<lns>
sbalneav / moquist, do you have a link to your cleanup scripts?
11:49
<moquist>
lns: If you're interested xterminator, you can apt-get install it from my PPA.
11:49
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/moquist/ubuntu feisty main restricted universe multiverse
11:49
lns: If you're interested in xterminator, you can apt-get install it from my PPA.
11:50
lns: Feedback welcome.
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<lns>
moquist, I'm sure it works really well, but i'm hesitant to add alternate repositories for my schools...will this be ok when i upgrade to gutsy?
11:50
<moquist>
sure
11:51
you don't have to add the repo if you don't want; that's just the easiest way to get the package.
11:51
you can browse there and download it and dpkg -i if you want. *shrug*
11:51
<lns>
is there anything i need to know about it other than just installing it?
11:51
<moquist>
No. But I recommend looking over what it does so you know.
11:51
<lns>
yea
11:52
moquist, thank you =) i will check it out
11:52
<moquist>
This is the second major iteration; the first also tried to clean up 30 seconds after logout, but that accidentally booted everyone off the server simultaneously every once in a while. So I took that back out. 8-o
11:52
<lns>
omg =)
11:53
i don't want to have that happen twice in 2 days..yesterday i accidentally chowned the entire /home (~200 users) to a certain user...heh
11:53
<moquist>
Yeah. Worse yet, it didn't occur to me that it was my own silly script's fault, so I troubleshot UPSes on switches for a while first. Oy.
11:53
<lns>
luckily i know enough scripting (just enough) to fix most of it... =p
11:54
hehe
11:54
what would you guys recommend as a good shell scripting book/howto/tutorial? I really want to get into it, but I have very little programming experience
11:55
<moquist>
O'Reilly's Learning the BASH Shell is great. I recommend it to everyone.
11:56
<lns>
moquist, O'Reilly it is! I live about 20min away from the O'Reilly building anyway... =)
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11:56
<lns>
well, one of them at least ;)
11:56
<laprag>
The LDP ones are good too, and free ;)
11:57
<lns>
laprag, touche, salesman (family guy quote) ;) ty
11:58
<laprag>
Hey scotty, you well?
12:00
<sbalneav>
Hey laprag
12:00
I'm doing fine! You'll be in Maine, I hear?
12:01
<laprag>
yup! And looking forward to it!
12:01
You too?
12:03
lns: not much consolation, but the probs you see with hanging procs have been around for a long time
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<lns>
laprag, they don't seem to be causing any problems, but I'm sure if they keep building, it would be bound to do something after a while
12:04
<laprag>
Battery empty
12:04
they will aggregate
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<lns>
6 days && counting! =)
12:45
<K_O-Gnom>
lns: and then?
12:46
<lns>
K_O-Gnom, umm...and then the ubuntu folk will rest for a day or two? =)
12:47
<K_O-Gnom>
lns: ok nothing intressting ;-)
12:47* K_O-Gnom uses gentoo
12:51
<sbalneav>
K_O-Gnom: Just another day's compiling for you, eh?
12:51
<K_O-Gnom>
sbalneav: not realy ..
12:52
if the system is working you don't realy need to change something .... but get it working maybe iss a lot of work ..
12:53
<staffencasa>
Anyone know how to change the monitor resolution in kiosk mode?
12:53
<lns>
K_O-Gnom, until you get updates that is? ;)
12:54
<sbalneav>
staffencasa: I'd expect by editing the xorg.conf in the chroot.
12:54
<staffencasa>
k, I'll try that, thanks
12:54
<K_O-Gnom>
lns: the problem with updates is that the developer do sometimes some shit ... and the ebuild kills the system and the admin (me in that case) have to fix it manually ... its good for lerning but a lot of work sometimes ...
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<lns>
K_O-Gnom, I have a lot of respect for the Gentoo folk... and its very useful IMO for embedded/custom systems...but for servers (let alone having to administer a lot of them) it seems to be really tough compared to other distros
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<lns>
hey where would be the best place to put information on the firefox/pixmap bugfix? ltsp wiki? ubuntu forums?
13:18
<multik>
guys, do I have to do anything to my edubuntu machine after making changes to lts.conf?
13:18
<lns>
multik, just reboot any thin clients that you want the change to take effect on
13:18
afaik anyway
13:18
<multik>
I copied the file from /opt/ltsp/i386/etc to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
13:19
<lns>
lts.conf?
13:19
<multik>
ok, I added XSERVER=amd to lts.conf, but thin client only gets text ltsp login prompt, instead of GUI
13:20
<sbalneav>
lns: What, the X_RAMPERC stuff?
13:20
<multik>
sbalneav: I tried XSERVER=amd and vesa, no go.
13:20
<sbalneav>
multik: This is a gutsy machine?
13:20
<multik>
yes
13:20
latest patches, kernel, everything
13:21
<sbalneav>
the amd video driver is broken. Autoconfig fails
13:21
<multik>
ok
13:21
<sbalneav>
see bug #140051
13:21
<multik>
do you know a workaround?
13:21
<sbalneav>
So you'll have to supply a custom xorg.conf file.
13:22
<multik>
do I need lts.conf at all?
13:22
<sbalneav>
yes
13:23
<multik>
what should I have in lts.conf? besides XSERVER and LTSP_Version=5.0.39?
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<sbalneav>
You'll need to put a custom xorg.conf file in $CHROOT/etc/X11, lets call it xorg.amd.conf
13:23
then set X_CONF=/etc/X11/xorg.amd.conf in your lts.conf file.
13:23
<lns>
sbalneav, yes the XRAMPERC bugfix
13:23
<multik>
can I delete XSERVER row?
13:23
from lts.conf?
13:24
<sbalneav>
Yes.
13:24
Also, once you copy the custom xorg.conf file into the chroot, don't forget to rebuild the image with ltsp-update-image
13:24
<multik>
so I just create xorg.conf file in /etc/X11 folder? I'm very new to this linux stuff
13:24
<ogra>
lns, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP create a ResolveRamIssues page there or so
13:25
<lns>
ogra, ty..i'll do that
13:25
<ogra>
it can hold more suggestions than just XRAMPERC
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<sbalneav>
multik: Well, you'll call it xorg.amd.conf, or similar, and you'll have to provide a valid xorg file for the amd.
13:25
<multik>
:) I'm lost already. Sorry mate
13:26
I assume I
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<multik>
I've to write something in that xorg.amd.conf file, right
13:26
<sbalneav>
yes.
13:27
<multik>
what is it that I've to write in there?
13:27
<sbalneav>
The config you need for your client.
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<sbalneav>
I don't know the exact client you've got, so I don't know exactly what you need in there.
13:28
<multik>
hmm, right
13:28
<ogra>
well, its some work but you can generate it :)
13:28
multik, add SCREEN_02=shell to your lts.conf
13:28
then boot the client
13:28
<multik>
ok, just that line?
13:29
<ogra>
switch with alt-f2 to the second console
13:29
<sbalneav>
he's got an amd chip. Xorg -configure won't work.
13:29
<ogra>
in the default section, yes
13:29
sbalneav, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might though
13:30
sbalneav, all he needs is a skeleton where he can replace the Dirver line anyway :)
13:30
<multik>
right, I have that row now in lts.conf. Do I have to rebuild something?
13:30
<ogra>
nope
13:30
just boot the client
13:31
then go to console 2
13:31
type there: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
13:31
and answer the questions :)
13:31
(usually the defaults are fine but make sure you have selected the amd driver)
13:32
<multik>
I see only black screen
13:32
<ogra>
if you are donw it will have generated an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11 ...
13:32
<multik>
so I don't think it helped in my case.
13:32
<ogra>
that one you need to copy to your server into $CHROOT/etc/
13:33
then you did something wrong with the SCREEN_02 line
13:33
<multik>
?
13:33
what can I possibly do wrong with it? it's just a few words
13:33
:)
13:33
<ogra>
SCREEN_02=shell whill start a login on the second console
13:33
you should have a prompt now where you can type commands
13:34
(if you have pressed atl-f2 after the client booted)
13:34
<multik>
I'm rebooting the TC again
13:34
ok, now it's better, heh
13:34
<ogra>
good
13:34
<multik>
well, now I see blinking cursor on second screen
13:35
<ogra>
and something like root@ltsp# in front ?
13:35
<multik>
nope, just blinkinf cursor on black screen
13:35
<ltsppbot>
"sbalneav" pasted "AMD Geode xorg.conf" (93 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/332
13:35
<ogra>
ah
13:35
:)
13:35
multik, just take the file sbalneav pasted :)
13:36
<sbalneav>
That's an xorg.conf I was using for the thincan I had.
13:36
<ogra>
dont bother fiddling with creating it :)
13:36
<sbalneav>
It may work for you
13:36
it may not
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<ogra>
remove SCREEN_02 again :)
13:36
<sbalneav>
Your mileage may vary :)
13:37
<multik>
ok, so take the file and put it to /etc/X11?
13:37
<ogra>
no
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<multik>
:)
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<ogra>
put it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/xorg-amd.conf
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run sudo ltsp-update-image
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<multik>
ok
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<ogra>
add X_CONF=/etc/xorg-amd.conf to your lts.conf
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boot the client :)
13:43
<sbalneav>
ogra: While you're here
13:43
I'm just merging some of your last changes.
13:43
SHould we push the gutsy rev to the upstream ltsp branch?
13:43
<ogra>
after release, i'm to busy atm
13:43
we'll need vagrant for that
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<ogra>
its a three way merge ...
13:44
<sbalneav>
ok
13:44
<ogra>
vagrantc, will want to merge debian to the mainline as well
13:44
<sbalneav>
sure.
13:44
ok
13:44
We'll wait for a bit longer
13:44
<vagrantc>
ogra: yes. there are some things you won't like.
13:44
<ogra>
and we'll need to open an hardy-ltsp branch
13:44
<vagrantc>
but most of it is good.
13:44
<ogra>
vagrantc, like ?
13:45
<vagrantc>
ogra: like, only installing the Debian and ltsp theme
13:45
for ldm
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<ogra>
why is that ?
13:45
hwats the ltsp theme btw ?
13:45
<vagrantc>
because it's a huge binary package and a waste to build for 12 architectures.
13:45
ogra: just grabbed the LTSP logo and gave it a background color
13:45
<ogra>
heh
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<sbalneav>
What, space running low on debian's build servers, or something?
13:46
<ogra>
i'll ask our edubuntu artwrok girl .... (she also does the groklaw artwork)
13:46
<vagrantc>
i would like to split the ldm themes into at least one separate arch all package
13:46
<sbalneav>
Why do we care how big it is?
13:46
<ogra>
i dont
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: it's stupid to build a binary package with lots of big .png packages.
13:46
<ogra>
vagrantc, sure feel free
13:46
but we should keep the main themes in the package
13:46
Debian, Ubuntu, LTSP
13:46
<sbalneav>
Once we start adding fedora, suse, etc, they'll be in there too, and why not?
13:47
<ogra>
right
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<vagrantc>
i think the only theme that should be in the ldm package is the LTSP theme
13:47
<ogra>
i agree that derivative flavours should be in separate package
13:47
s
13:47
<multik>
uff, it's taking ages to update image on my test laptop
13:47
<ogra>
but we should ship all default supported distros
13:47
<vagrantc>
all the other stuff belongs in arch:all package(s)
13:48
<laprag>
n
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<multik>
but file is there and link in lts.conf is also there. Let's see if it works
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Now that rc's out, your work should be easing up a bit, yes?
13:49
<ogra>
vagrantc, fine with me
13:49
sbalneav, not really
13:49
i have several other deadlines this month (before UDS)
13:49
i.e. next week is classmate ...
13:49
then i need to build a derivative of edubuntu for a moodle server
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<sbalneav>
Yikes, they work you hard, don't they.
13:50
<vagrantc>
i hope to upload LDM as a separate source package for debian experimental
13:50
<ogra>
i'm pretty swamped
13:50
yeah, hard time atm
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<lns>
anyone (not ogra, you have enough to do =) ) who wants to proof-read my addition for the ff/pixmap bugfix on the ubuntu wiki can check it out here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ResolveRamIssues
13:51
I'm sure it's horribly out of standard wiki formatting...maybe someone can help me w/that
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<vagrantc>
ogra: i think the other thing you won't like is that next-server is uncommented... but my rationale is until upstream dhcp doesn't require next-server, it should be up to patched distros that support operating without next-server to patch their dhcpd.conf files...
13:51
<ogra>
lns, you should put in a note that this is in gutsy and you can just use the variable there
13:52
<lns>
ogra, ok
13:52
stop looking at this stuff though. =p hehe
13:52
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, i'm considering having a ubuntu-dhcpd.conf that gets copied in at build time
13:52
vagrantc, actually i dont even need root-path anymore
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<vagrantc>
ogra: right ...
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<ogra>
i also wrote a gtk frontend to ltsp-build-client ...
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that automatically wipes the chroot
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<lns>
ogra, I loved those screenshots of the gtk client...pretty slick
13:55
<ogra>
there are no screenhots of that app yet :)
13:56
i usually write a gtk client every release while sitting bored in front of 5 siultaneously running test installs ...
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usually i dont finish them (they are only finger training and fun against boredom while watching progressbars :) )
13:57
but this one actually works :)
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<lns>
really?? hmm, i thought i saw one a while ago
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lol
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<lns>
ok, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ResolveRamIssues should be fairly informative for Firefox users.
14:01* K_O-Gnom configures apache and is watching shaft
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<K_O-Gnom>
crab ... wrong chan sry
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<lns>
ogra, you know, I was thinking about it last night, and one thing that the M$ world really has down is the "progress" dialogues... they have the cute little animated icons, progress bars, etc...that is something that a lot of people love, and feel good about while the machine is doing something (as trivial and useless as it is in the big pic)
14:02
Gnome/Ubuntu have a good handle on this
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<ogra>
vagrantc, ....
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ogra@laptop:~$ sudo mount -o loop -t squashfs /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img /opt/ltsp/mounts/image
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ogra@laptop:~$ sudo mount -o loop -t ext2 /opt/ltsp/rw-image.img /opt/ltsp/mounts/rw
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ogra@laptop:~$ sudo mount -t unionfs -o dirs=/opt/ltsp/mounts/rw=rw:/opt/ltsp/mounts/image=ro,debug=1,delete=whiteout unionfs /opt/ltsp/mounts/union
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ogra@laptop:~$ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/mounts/union
14:05
root@laptop:/#
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saves lots and lots of diskspace ;)
14:05* vagrantc has *no* desire to be rid of the chroot
14:05* vagrantc doesn't even like generated images
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<ogra>
/opt/ltsp/mounts/union holds the RW chroot now ...
14:06
and mksquashfs can work on it to create a new ro image if you want :)
14:08* ogra is so sad debian has a broken unionfs :/
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<ogra>
vagrantc, i bet you'd like it if you had it working properly .. its so much nicer to have a full RW client
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Anyone on the debian side looking into the unionfs breakage?
14:08
<ogra>
sbalneav, debian uses 2.0
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<vagrantc>
no idea
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gotta go
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<ogra>
its known to be broken, ubuntu stayed with 1.4 since ages
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<sbalneav>
Who's "fixing" it? Linus?
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<ogra>
sbalneav, i guess the future is aufs
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<sbalneav>
aufs?
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<ogra>
but thats not mature enough yet
14:09* sbalneav goggles
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<ogra>
another unionfs
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(silly name) :P
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<sbalneav>
Should be yaufs
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<ogra>
heh
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<sbalneav>
They're breaking the Unix naming standards :)
14:12
The homepage is a treat to read.
14:12
<pre></pre> anyone? :)
14:13
<ogra>
pretty :)
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<ogra>
sbalneav, if we manage to make /opt/ltsp/rw-image.img dynamically growing we can have a command ltsp-chroot that automatically does the above mount stuff :)
14:17
an dyou can maintain the image like a chroot
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<Blinny>
No more build-client?
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<ogra>
still build-client for the initial image
14:18
<Blinny>
Yeah of course
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<ogra>
but you dont need the chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386 around all the time
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<sbalneav>
heh
14:19* ogra wants to get to a point where he has a .desktop file in the administartion menu that runs: ltsp-chroot synaptic
14:20
<sbalneav>
Being a unix oldster, I still put the fortune command in my .bashrc
14:20
here's one of the lines from the fortune that just popped up:
14:20
A world lacking gravy is a tragic place!
14:20
I concurr.
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<ogra>
depends
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... on how much vegetarian you are i guess :)
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<sbalneav>
ogra: You've talked about this webkit in the past
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<ogra>
ebox ?
14:26
<sbalneav>
I saw something on the weekend about epiphany+webkit
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<ogra>
hmm, not sure what exacvtly you mean
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<sepski>
when i run ltsp-build-client with --copy-sourceslist and --late-packages sitesummary-client,debian-edu-artwork,debian-edu-artwork-usplash --early-packages debian-edu-archive-keyring the ltsp-client package is not installed at all and the chroot is broken
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<ogra>
it needs to be in early-packages
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ldm as well
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<sepski>
so if i say early packages ill override the defaults ?
14:29
<ogra>
yeah
14:29
<sepski>
is there a way to get debian-edu-archive-keyring in before early packages ?
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<ogra>
look in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/000-basic-configuration
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it sets the defaults
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<sepski>
ack
14:30
thanks again :)
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<lns>
so is ltspadmin/equiv gonna be in gutsy? =)
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<lns>
Everyone, please be seated as we are experiencing some turbulance.
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<dtrask>
moquist: You in here?
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<moquist>
dtrask: am now
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<dtrask>
hey....I ordered the Darter
20:44
met a guy today who does laser engraving
20:45
moquist: the laser engraving was on a black Macbook, but it was very cool
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moquist: the Darter from System76 has a totally blank top surface
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sbalneav: Scotty...what model of System76 do you have?
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<lns>
evening, sbalneav
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