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Channel log from 18 July 2011   (all times are UTC)

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07:22
<kim_>
i have tried ltsp kiosk mode and done all troubleshooting ....it is not working
07:22
no body is having the solution
07:22
how to work with kiosk mode
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07:43
<Hyperbyte>
Good morning kim_. :)
07:44
<kim_>
good morning....
07:44
<Hyperbyte>
How are you?
07:44
<kim_>
dear i stuck with ltsp kiosk....done everything
07:44
perfect and u
07:44
nothing is working....
07:44
<Hyperbyte>
I'm good! A bit wet, but that's what you get for living in a country where there's lots of rain
07:45
Last time I remember you had a problem with DHCP, correct?
07:45
Did you get that fixed?
07:45
<kim_>
here also raining\\
07:45
yes ...my client is booting but not getting firefox instead getting desktop
07:46
<Hyperbyte>
Ah, so basically everything is working, except Kiosk?
07:46
<kim_>
yes
07:47
<Hyperbyte>
Can you post your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf on pastebin?
07:49
<kim_>
[Default]
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07:49
<kim_>
screen_07 = kiosk
07:49
only two lines are there
07:52
Hyberbyte : u got lts.conf
07:53
<Hyperbyte>
Okay, do you know how to open a local xterm on the client?
07:53
!localxterm | echo kim_
07:53
<ltsp>
kim_ localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client..
07:54
<Hyperbyte>
From there, run 'getltscfg -a' and post the output on pastebin
07:55
<kim_>
u mean i need to boot my client .......then run this command on client side or server side
07:58
<Hyperbyte>
You need to do what 'ltsp' just said
07:58
Boot a thin client, run 'ltsp-localapps xterm' in a terminal and in the xterm that opens, run 'getltscfg -a'
08:00
<kim_>
but when i type getltscfg -a ....it is showing ltsp-client -core is not installed
08:00
do i need to install
08:00
<Hyperbyte>
No!
08:01
You are running the command on the server, you need to run it on the client.
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08:01
<Hyperbyte>
Please follow exactly what I just said
08:01
ncd209:58 <Hyperbyte> Boot a thin client, run 'ltsp-localapps xterm' in a terminal and in the xterm that opens, run 'getltscfg -a'
08:10
Any luck?
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08:16
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Alkis. :)
08:16
<alkisg>
Good morning Hyperbyte, #ltspers
08:17
<Hyperbyte>
How was your weekend?
08:17* alkisg completed the "guest session" with pam_exec, just by deleting all files on login. Works fine on thin + fat clients with no RAM overhead
08:18
<alkisg>
The weekend was great, i hope the rest of the week is great too :)
08:18
http://paste.ubuntu.com/646298/
08:18
<Hyperbyte>
Interesting stuff... will need to revise. :)
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08:48
<Hyperbyte>
Are options in lts.conf case sensitive? For example, screen_07 instead of SCREEN_07?
09:03
<alkisg>
Btw I'm sure that instead of using pam, one would use the ldm hooks to clear the directory, making guest sessions a one-liner :) I just wanted a non-ltsp specific method
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09:15
<kim_>
Hyperbyte : i have done that what u said....but when i do screen_07 = kiosk in lts.conf and boot client ...it will not boot and stop at boot screen
09:16
but when i do with screen_02 = shell , it will boot ...give command shell
09:16
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
09:16
That's good!
09:16
<kim_>
tell me what i do
09:16
kiosk mode is creating a problem
09:16
<Hyperbyte>
What do you mean with "stop at boot screen"?
09:16
Does it give some error message?
09:17
<kim_>
i mean when i put screen_07 = kiosk in lts.conf and boot my client
09:17
it will not boot in desktop mode....even it shows only boot screen ....and remains there only
09:18
<Hyperbyte>
Does it show white screen with "Ubuntu" letters?
09:19
<kim_>
when we boot ubuntu desktop what it will show....same thing it is showing
09:19
loading page
09:21
<Hyperbyte>
Okay. Edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
09:21
And remove 'quiet splash' from there
09:21
It'll show a whole lot of messages during boot, see if it shows any error when it stops loading.
09:25
<kim_>
k
09:26
only ' quite splash ' i need to remove from line
09:26
right
09:26
<Hyperbyte>
quiet splash, yes.
09:26
Nothing else.
09:27
<kim_>
=shud i put screen_07 = kiosk in lts.conf again then check right
09:27
<Hyperbyte>
Yep.
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09:52
<Hyperbyte>
Bonjour layus. :)
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09:55
<kim_>
Hyperbyte : i have done that,,,,,no error is coming ...not only black screen is coming
09:55
i have also checked syslog
09:56
http://pastebin.com/zTfJUwN3
09:56
this is syslog ....check and let me know what else i can do
09:59
Hyperbyte : are you there ?
10:00
<Hyperbyte>
kim_, I'm here, but it's lunchtime... so on and off
10:01
<kim_>
k let me know if u free ...i have give u details what i did here
10:01
<Hyperbyte>
kim_, is this the syslog on the server or on the client?
10:02
I already know by the way, this is from the server...
10:02
Only the syslog from the client would be useful. But you do see lots of other messages during boot now, right? And no loading screen?
10:03
<kim_>
no only black screen is coming nothing else dear
10:03
<Hyperbyte>
Stop calling me dear.
10:05
<kim_>
k
10:05
<Hyperbyte>
You don't see -any- messages on the client? Nothing like... "Starting device node and kernel event manager" ?
10:05
<kim_>
no nothing
10:05
<Hyperbyte>
Pastebin /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
10:06
<kim_>
k
10:06
after changing in this file do i need to update image
10:07
or i can directly boot client
10:10
<Hyperbyte>
You only need to update the image for anything you change in /opt/ltsp/
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<kim_>
Hyperbyte : i have checked that....it is showing x: /tmp/.X11-unix has suspicious ownership (not root:root) aborting
10:31
Hyperbyte : anything else u want
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10:42
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: an even easier way to have guest sessions: Put the following in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/rc.d/S00-guest-sessions:
10:42
case "$LDM_USERNAME" in
10:42
guest*)
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ssh -S "$LDM_SOCKET" "$LDM_SERVER" 'cd; rm -rf .* *; rsync -a /etc/skel/ .'
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;;
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esac
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11:48
<layus>
hello everybody :-)
11:49
i got a simple question : is there some simple documentation about usb hotplug ?
11:50
<alkisg>
layus: again, could you be more specific?
11:50
Hotplug isn't used anymore, it's udev nowadays
11:50
And the ltsp docs in the /topic mention about usb sticks...
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<alkisg>
If you want to be able to unmount the sticks from nautilus, then you don't want documentation, but implementation. I.e. dig into the sources of ltspfs.
11:52
<layus>
seems i got too fast over that topic...
11:52
thx
11:54
<kim_>
Hyperbyte : any solution
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12:00
<kim_>
Hyperbyte : are you there
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12:08
<kim_>
alkisg : do u have any solution regarding kiosk mode
12:09
I am trying from last two week there is no solution at all
12:10
<alkisg>
kim_: please don't talk to me, I've been helping you for 4 months, we got the kiosk mode working numerous time, yet you always reformat and try from scratch, and you don't even remember what we did last time to get it working
12:10
My advice to you still is to get someone to do this FOR you
12:10
It's only 3-4 hours for a professional, while you already spent 4 months already
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12:16
<Hyperbyte>
kim_: 12:05 <Hyperbyte> Pastebin /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
12:16
Did you do this yet?
12:17
<kim_>
k
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<kim__>
hyperbyte :http://pastebin.com/nMxWaBk6
12:25
this is my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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<kim__>
now let me know if there is any issue
12:25
please i want to solve this problem
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12:26
<Hyperbyte>
What is your current problem exactly?
12:28
<kim__>
my client is not booting with kiosk mode
12:30
<Hyperbyte>
What EXACTLY happens? Be specific.
12:30
Oh
12:30
X: /tmp/X11-unix has suspicious ownership (not root:root), aborting.
12:30
That?
12:33
What command did you use to build your LTSP client?
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<kim__>
ltsp-build-client --kiosk
12:36
i used
12:37
<Ghidorah>
Hello, does anyone know how to set the default ldm session to ubuntu classic with LTSP-Cluster?
12:37
<kim__>
hyperbyte : tell me
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12:42
<kim__>
hyperbyte: u there
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12:47
<Hyperbyte>
kim__, I'm at work here - will you please be patient?
12:48
Ghidorah, if it's thin clients you can just look for how to set Ubuntu classic for all users. It's not an LTSP-related query per say then. Not that I don't want to help you, I just don't know the answer. ;)
12:49
<Ghidorah>
Thanks for the lead Hyperbyte
12:49
<Hyperbyte>
I believe it's set through gconf
12:50
!disable-compiz | echo Ghidorah
12:50
<ltsp>
Ghidorah disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity.
12:50
<Hyperbyte>
Not sure if that's related, maybe that's it even? I'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu yet. :)
12:50
<Ghidorah>
This whole unity thing is throwing me through a loop.
12:51
I feel like an old man grumbling about change
12:53
<Hyperbyte>
Hah... :)
12:53
kim__, X: /tmp/X11-unix has suspicious ownership (not root:root), aborting.
12:54
That's the error you get, right?
13:04
<layus>
So... afther many reading. It seems that i use ltsp5 : "dpkg -l ltsp-server : Version : 5.2.4-2" On debian 6.0.2 squeeze (stable). Does it seem possible ? I found very little documentation about this config. Is it too new ?
13:05
<Hyperbyte>
LTSP5 is the current version you should be using
13:06
LTSP4 is outdated as far as I know.
13:07
<layus>
I would like to know wich usb-sharing protocol i should use. seems fuse is the most recent, but samba share seems to work with nfs system (did i said something wrong ?) that debian still uses in place of ndb ? And is it possible tu use fuse to mount my usb stick to a windows server ?
13:09
both get very few installation instruction on debian squeeze, and the fuse-install page on the doc is soo messy :-)
13:09
and refers to version 4.2
13:10
so where should i look for proper installation instructions (or some doc at least) to set up a working usb-sharing environnment ?
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<layus>
None got any idea ?
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<Hyperbyte>
layus, 'usb sharing environment'? LTSP clients already have localapps which share USB sticks between client and server
13:26
Sharing from LTSP thin client to a Windows server is something I haven't heard about before, but it seems possible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm5ixwAyQwU
13:30
<roasted>
Hey there guys - I can run multiple scopes in the /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file, right? I have a server with 4 NICs and I plan to use 1 NIC per lab, with each running on a different DHCP subnet.
13:30
I just want to make sure I can directly copy the existing config in dhcpd.conf, copy it so I have 2 entries separated by a few blank lines with # tags, and just change the info to my network spec.
13:31
<Appiah>
it's the normal dhcpd (not modified in anyway for ltsp) so yes you can have multipe scopes
13:32
you can use any dhcp server you'd like
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<Hyperbyte>
LTSP uses the default Ubuntu dhcpd, isc-dhcp-server, not modified. So yes, that's possible. :)
13:39
<roasted>
Appiah, okay, I just wasn't sure since the dhcpd.conf file you use for configuring DHCP is in a different location for LTSP specific servers, so it made me think perhaps there are some further changes besides the fact its /etc/ltsp instead of /etc/dhcp3
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
roasted: http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/dhcpd.txt
13:39
That's my dhcpd.conf... part of it, anyways.
13:40
<roasted>
good deal
13:40
I think the default one with the edits to our network should work. That's how I set up the little ltsp server I have last year.
13:40
<Hyperbyte>
Look at /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server, you'll see how the ltsp dhcpd config works. There's a line which allows /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to override the /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
13:41
<roasted>
Hyperbyte, I gotcha. So it's the same exact thing, basically. That's what I was unsure of.
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13:41
<Hyperbyte>
:)
13:41
<roasted>
so if I want two scopes I should just copy the whole section in the default ltsp dhcp file and copy it
13:41
and edit both ranges to my spec
13:41
or do I need to include authoritative; for each scope too?
13:42
<Hyperbyte>
See the link above for example config.
13:42
In fact, you don't have to specify anything for hosts. Anything you don't specify is taken from the global config.
13:42
<roasted>
your file looks much more edited than what the default one is, though
13:42
so it's throwing me off a little bit trying to follow when I think mine would look very different
13:42
<Hyperbyte>
If you look at my config you'll see the domain name and nameservers, timeservers are same for both hosts, yet routers are different.
13:43
Hehe, my dhcpd.conf also does dynamic DNS updates for the local network.
13:43
<roasted>
I see
13:43
<Hyperbyte>
Edited out for your pleasure - refresh.
13:44
<roasted>
okay, I see now
13:44
so one line of authoritiative, then just copy the config twice
13:44
and edit for each scope
13:44
now, ubuntu dhcp only hands out IPs of its eth's range, right?
13:44
example...
13:44
<Hyperbyte>
And you don't have to duplicate everything, you can leave options global as well.
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<roasted>
if I have two NICs, 10.52.11.1 and 10.52.12.1, and I have a DHCP scope set for 10.52.11.0-255 and 10.52.12.0-255, then 11 won't hand out .12.X IP's will it?
13:45
I mean, it wouldn't be able to I would think
13:45
<Hyperbyte>
subnet 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
13:46
This line makes dhcpd look if it has an eth interface that lies within that subnet. If it does, it'll run the dhcp protocol for that subnet on the interface.
13:46
<roasted>
in a round about way, is that a yes?
13:46
I just want to make sure I keep eth0 (11.0) on lab A, whereas eth1 (12.0) stays on lab B
13:47
<Hyperbyte>
You get a roundabout answer because you're asking for the obvious. ;-)
13:47
<roasted>
so that way I can be running multiple NICs with independent jobs yet run DHCP Server with an organizational aspect to it
13:47
well, I've never ran multiple scopes
13:47
so, this is untapped territory for me, my friend :
13:47
:)
13:47
<Hyperbyte>
Naturally a DHCP server will not hand out 10.52.11.x addresses on a network that doesn't have these addresses in the subnet. :)
13:48
<roasted>
when you say global options, that's all of the option -xxxxxx entries, right?
13:48
<Hyperbyte>
Else clients couldn't communicate on the network.
13:48
<roasted>
option domain-name, option domaine-name-servers, etc
13:48
<Hyperbyte>
No, look at my dhcpd.conf. option routers is defined per subnet, option ntp-server is defined globally
13:49
<roasted>
so whatever is up top = global, whatever is under subnet = defined per subnet
13:49
<Hyperbyte>
Yessir.
13:49
<roasted>
nice, thanks for your time
13:49
its mucho appreciated
13:49
<Hyperbyte>
You're very welcome. :)
13:49
<roasted>
in a bit here I should be able to get this puppy fired up
13:50
<alkisg>
layus: you don't need to do anything at all to have usb sticks working on LTSP 5, they're working out of the box.
13:50
<roasted>
g'morning alkisg
13:50
<alkisg>
layus: now for rdp, you need to pass a parameter to the rdp client you're using
13:50
Not ltsp related.
13:50
Hi roasted. How's your nic bonding going?
13:51
<roasted>
it's not. decided to change things up a bit.
13:51
since 1 gig port has easily served 30 clients for me, and this year I'm doing 60 on this server, I'm just keeping it proportional since we might have room for upgrades later.
13:51
1 NIC per lab, 2 labs @ 30 clients each
13:51
so my intention is to set up two DHCP scopes and run 2 NICs, and run one lab off one subnet, another lab off another subnet.
13:52
that way I still have the 1x30 proportions that I used last year that I know worked, all without bonding
13:52
<alkisg>
Sure, that should be very easy, just creating the subnets + setting static nics
13:52
*ips
13:52
<roasted>
I talked to a few linux buds of mine and they felt as though bonding for what I was doin gwas more of a "hunting a bird with a cannon" type of setup
13:52
<alkisg>
Of course bonding would make 1 lab go faster in the cases where the other lab is not in use
13:52
<roasted>
the other curve ball is, that leaves me with 2 spare NICs
13:52
which, if we add more clients to this server...
13:52
I could just set up another scope and bam, hook 'em up
13:53
<alkisg>
Nope, bonding suits what you want to do better than 2 separate subnets, but anyway that's a solution too
13:53
<roasted>
If I would bond, then I would be using 1 "vNIC" for both labs, eh?
13:54
<alkisg>
Yes, and if your wiring was adequate, then when 1 lab was off, the other one would go 2 times faster
13:54
<roasted>
I just think it may complicate things a bit more than I'm wanting to introduce. I tried to set up bonding last year and it just didn't take off.
13:54
<alkisg>
Sure, whatever works for you
13:54
<roasted>
I may be wrong and maybe I have a sour taste in my mouth from last year's failure.
13:54
<alkisg>
I'm just stating the advantages here
13:55
<roasted>
yeah. I hear ya. I did a lot of reading on it too, and it sounds like a lot changed with bonding when 10.04 came on board.
13:55
yet a lot of guides I find are for 8.04-ish era
13:55
<alkisg>
Why? The link I gave you worked before 10.04 and on 10.04 all the same
13:55
<roasted>
the link you gave me was for 8.10, which is what I used last year.
13:55
:(
13:55
<alkisg>
But the decision should start from your wiring, not from the wikies you can find
13:56
It worked on 10.04 too, I tried it a few weeks ago
13:56
<roasted>
hm
13:56
<alkisg>
With no changes at all. I just didn't update the wiki page to say that.
13:56
<roasted>
then I wonder what I did wrong
13:56
<alkisg>
Anyway, separating the subnets is a good idea too
13:56
<Hyperbyte>
roasted, things like bonding network interfaces, routing, traffic shaping... those are things Linux is kickass in. It's mostly all done via the kernel too, independant of any distro or 3rd party software.
13:56
<roasted>
well my wiring setup is pretty straight forward. Both labs come into two switches, and the server is in those switches.
13:56
<alkisg>
It's even easier wrt cabling
13:56
<Hyperbyte>
3rd party being other than the kernel.
13:57
<roasted>
Hyperbyte, yeah, I remember reading about how HP has a lot of firmware or whatever that allows for bonding. It always made me think it's kind of a dirty setup then.
13:57
like if you have HP gear, you can do it, while Dell can't without an alternative app, etc.
13:57
but it being integrated within Linux is a sweet thing.
13:57
<alkisg>
Nah cheap switches like even d-link can do bonding too
13:58
<roasted>
maybe I should give it another go. after all, I have an hour or so to kill here.
13:58
<Hyperbyte>
roasted, if you have a 32-bit CPU you can't run a 64-bit OS, if you have a 64-bit CPU, you can. What's the point? Different firmware, supports different instructions and brings different possibilities. Nothing dirty about it.
13:58
<roasted>
oh that's right. the switch needs LACP or something set up on it.
13:58
<alkisg>
roasted: if you have 2 switches, then bonding would be more difficult, so go with the 2 subnets approach, it suits your setup better
13:58
No, the switch doesn't need to support boding
13:58
<roasted>
alkisg, yeah, I have 2 switches, 1 per lab.
13:58
<alkisg>
Bonding
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<alkisg>
There are different bonding modes, some are switch-neutral
13:58
<roasted>
60 clients, 30 per lab, 48 port switches.
13:58
I see
13:59
so with having two switches, 1 per lab, do you think bonding is worth checking into?
13:59
or is that complicating things with multiple switches?
13:59
<alkisg>
Not sure there, because of the switches interconnection
14:00
<roasted>
hm
14:00
which form of bonding do you suggest
14:00
<alkisg>
So I stick with this advice: (04:58:22 μμ) alkisg: roasted: if you have 2 switches, then bonding would be more difficult, so go with the 2 subnets approach, it suits your setup better
14:00
For a single switch, the one I wrote in the wiki page
14:00
For multiple switches, no idea, more thought is needed
14:00
<Hyperbyte>
For multiple switches you run into problem where switch becomes bottleneck.
14:01
<roasted>
yeah, I suppose if I bond two server NICs (1gb each) then a gig switch isn't doing me much good if the throughput from the server is more than what it can handle
14:01
e.g. 2gb from server, 1gb switch supported
14:02
<alkisg>
You'd have to setup bonding between switches too
14:02
I don't know how that is done
14:02
<roasted>
I've seen it in the switch config, but it's switch dependent on who supports what.
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14:02
<jammcq>
good morning friends
14:02
<roasted>
hello there
14:02
<alkisg>
Good morning jammcq
14:02
<roasted>
that said, if I'm running "not exactly top end gear" I probably don't have those options.
14:03
example - Dell 3500's don't support VLAN-ing per port.
14:03
6200's do.
14:03
just so happens 3500's are what I have for the labs.
14:03
(even though that's vlaning, its just an example to throw on the table)
14:05
anyway, time to get some tagging done. appreciate your time as always alkisg & Hyperbyte
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<markit>
hi ppl, hi alkisg :)
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<roasted>
hey there
14:13
<Hyperbyte>
Morning jammcq :)
14:13
<jammcq>
hey Hyperbyte
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14:15
<Hyperbyte>
How are you?
14:15
<jammcq>
good. what's shaking where you are?
14:15
<Hyperbyte>
Lots and lots of rain.
14:15
:(
14:16
<jammcq>
wow, lots of dryness and heat here
14:16
after a very wet spring, we're finally getting a summer
14:16
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, and I'm in a huge fight with my bank. My creditcard broke (literally, in two)... so I asked for a new one. "No problem!" they said. "You can keep using your old card as well, card details stay the same." Everything great.
14:17
Just received a mail from the company where I have my webhosting, that they failed accessing my creditcard. And I can't make payments either.
14:17
<jammcq>
hah, typical banking
14:19
<markit>
anyone had troubles in delpoy with (K)ubuntu 11.04? I mean, troubles related to the OS version
14:19
<Hyperbyte>
So I called my bank and apparently, even though all the details stayed the same, they thought it'd best to block my broken (yet still readable) creditcard until I receive my new one. All sorted now though. :)
14:19
<markit>
I ask because I would like to use it instead of 10.04
14:20
<Hyperbyte>
markit, running Edubuntu 11.04 without problems. Kiosk mode is broken I think, but I don't use that. :)
14:20
<markit>
Hyperbyte: ok, do you use fat clients too, by chance?
14:20
<Hyperbyte>
No sir.
14:21
<markit>
I've to deploy for 20PC elementary school, so multimedia is necessary
14:21
<Hyperbyte>
Are you having some problems with 10.04 that make you want to upgrade to 11.04?
14:21
<markit>
I'll do some tests :)
14:22
Hyperbyte: no, but usually I prefer to move to the most updated version
14:23
so I get the most recent sw and most recent bugs ;P
14:23
<Hyperbyte>
markit, do you realize that Ubuntu 10.04 is a long-term-support release? So in the long run 10.04 will be more updated than 11.04
14:23
<markit>
Hyperbyte: more updated for security fix, not sw versions
14:23
is like debian stable, I suppose
14:24
(I usually use debian, unstable at home and stable for servers)
14:24
<alkisg>
10.04 will get a 11.04 kernel and a 11.10 kernel. Natty won't get an 11.10 kernel
14:24
So LTS can even have newer software.
14:24
<markit>
firefox 5?
14:24
<alkisg>
No. I'm sure you can get that, and libreoffice, from a ppa though
14:24
<markit>
kde 4.7?
14:25
ok, I've got your point and I thank you for telling me
14:26
I've also some "LIM" with a software that is not more compiled for 10.04, AFAIR ("ardesia")
14:26
and would love to have the same version of OS in all the situations
14:26
but frankly I'm trying to convince myself just because I like new stuff
14:26* markit psycologist with himself
14:26
<Hyperbyte>
markit, I take your point, too. I run 11.04 for the exact same reason (newer software). I was just saying... consider what you're getting yourself into.
14:27
<markit>
do you know the feeling when you see a new gadget and try to convince yourself that is "indispensable"? :)
14:27
how can you live without Nexus II S?
14:27
<Hyperbyte>
Usually I don't try and just grab my wallet. :)
14:27
<markit>
or something like that, lol
14:27
Hyperbyte: hehehe
14:29
dgroos: ping
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14:39
<Ghidorah>
stgraber you around?
14:40
<stgraber>
Ghidorah: sort of, I'm online but I'm not doing LTSP stuff at the moment :)
14:41
<Ghidorah>
stgraber: Darn I was going to ask about this http://osdir.com/ml/LTSP-cluster-thin-clients/2011-06/msg00024.html
14:43
<stgraber>
Ghidorah: right. Need it backported?
14:43
<Ghidorah>
If at all possible
14:43
<stgraber>
should be quite easy to do, just file a bug about it and I'll have a look
14:44
<Ghidorah>
Thanks sir!
14:44
<jammcq>
stgraber: Oct 27-30 is looking much better for BTS
14:44
seems to clear up conflicts that lots of other people had
14:45
<roasted>
for what it's worth, I'm running 10.04 with libre office 3.3
14:45
just got the .deb from their site, dpkg -i *.deb, and then cd into desktop-integration and run the same command.
14:45
follow up with apt-get remove openoffice* and you'll successfully be running libre office and only libre office for your 10.04 office suite.
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14:58
<stgraber>
jammcq: ok, so we're moving BTS, that's great for me as I've been asked to present something in the Netherlands on the 20th but couldn't because of BTS :)
14:58
jammcq: do we want to poke everyone again to check if 27-30 works for them and then announce it?
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<markit>
stgraber: forgive my ignorance.. what is "BTS"?
15:11
<stgraber>
markit: BTS stands for by the sea which is the shortname of the yearly LTSP by the sea meeting in Southwest Harbor, ME
15:24
<Ghidorah>
Sounds like a lot of fun.
15:38
<knipwim>
check, and the Ohloh enlistments page is up-to-date again
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<jammcq>
stgraber: I just have one more person to check with for the new dates
17:41
but i'm thinking that moving the dates will allow Gadi to come
17:41
he had a conflict
17:41
with the old date
17:43
<alkisg>
How about vagrantc? Will he be there?
17:51
<stgraber>
alkisg: did you apply for UDS sponsorship?
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17:52
<alkisg>
Hi stgraber, not yet, I'm on some short vacations, will do so in a couple of days when I get back. UDS sponshorship == hotel only, right?
17:52
<stgraber>
alkisg: hotel+flight+per-diem for food
17:52
<alkisg>
+flight? Oooh very nice :)
17:53
<stgraber>
yeah, when you're sponsored you usually don't need to pay a cent (unless you end up drinking more beer than the 25$ per-diem lets you buy ;))
17:53
<alkisg>
Hehe I'll bring you guys some tsipouro from here, we'll drink that :)
17:54
(I hope liquids are allowed on suitcases on planes, no?)
17:55
<stgraber>
if you get sponsored by Canonical to go to UDS, you'll then be able to just tell the travel agency that you want a quote for UDS and a quote for UDS+LTSP BTS. Then pay the difference (if any, last time it cost me something like 150$ IIRC).
17:55
yeah, liquids are fine in checked baggages. They just freak out when you want to take them in your carry-on bags :)
17:55
<alkisg>
Hehe. Perfect. If it costs under $1000, I'm there :)
17:57
<jammcq>
I talked with Jorge Castro on saturday
17:57
he's not as involved in the sponsorship process anymore but he gave me some tips
17:57* alkisg is all ears...
17:58
<jammcq>
if we can get ogra_ and stgraber to both recommend you, then it should help alot
17:58
<stgraber>
I can definitely do that.
17:58
<alkisg>
I have hopes for that, I can also bribe them if needed :D
17:58
<jammcq>
ogra_ said something about he'd support it
17:59
heh
17:59
<alkisg>
Nice, I'll ping you guys in a couple of days when I've filed the sponshorship form
17:59
Thanks!
17:59
<jammcq>
so.... i've talked to everybody about the change in dates
17:59
and it looks good
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18:08
<jammcq>
anybody seen cliebow lately?
18:08
stgraber: will you be bringing marc and Jonathon?
18:09
<mgariepy>
i'll probably be there
18:09
<jammcq>
mgariepy: cool
18:10
i've added you to the wiki
18:10
just getting it saved now
18:10
<stgraber>
jammcq: you realize that highvoltage will point you to his web page on how to spell his name? :)
18:10
<jammcq>
yeah, everytime I write it, I remember that web page
18:10
so now it's more fun to get it wrong :)
18:11* veloutin *couch* JoC *couch* ;)
18:11
<veloutin>
s/couch/cough/g
18:12
<highvoltage>
http://jonathancarter.org/how-to-spell-jonathan/
18:12
there's a PDF too that you can download and print!
18:12
<jammcq>
stgraber: will you be bringing marc and Jonathan?
18:12
there, happy?
18:12
:)
18:13
<highvoltage>
yes :)
18:13
<jammcq>
highvoltage: you coming?
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<stgraber>
jammcq: I hope the three of us will be there. I'm sure I'll, for the two others that's up to Revolution Linux.
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<highvoltage>
jammcq: yep, quite likely.
18:14
<stgraber>
if they come, I'll be coming with them, otherwise I'll manage :)
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<jammcq>
ok, wiki is up
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<Hyperbyte>
Hey Andy. :)
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<jammcq>
Gadi: HEY !
19:25
<Hyperbyte>
Gadi!
19:25
<Gadi>
ho
19:25
<jammcq>
Gadi: so, looks like BTS-2011 will be a week later than we originally said
19:25
<Gadi>
someone stop the world - I want to get off
19:25
really?
19:25
<jammcq>
yep
19:25
<Gadi>
stop it
19:25
get out
19:25
no way
19:25
<jammcq>
way
19:25
<Gadi>
really?
19:25
<jammcq>
yep
19:25
<Gadi>
why?
19:26
<jammcq>
so.... we're doing this just so you can come :)
19:26
<Gadi>
no, but really...
19:26
<jammcq>
and also because UDS has been pushed back a week
19:26
<Hyperbyte>
Haha
19:26
<Gadi>
bless Ubuntu - the force behind our scheduling
19:26
<jammcq>
so.... now you have to come
19:26
<Gadi>
:)
19:26
so, now I HAVE to come!
19:26
<jammcq>
yep
19:26
<Gadi>
oh I am so happy
19:27
:)
19:27
<jammcq>
so... it starts the 27th of october
19:27
so around the 26th, you can start looking for cheap plane tickets :)
19:27
<Gadi>
hehe - plane tickets
19:27
do you know how much plane tickets have gone up?
19:28
Id friggin walk first
19:28
:P
19:28
<jammcq>
yeah, they're a bit crazy
19:28
<Gadi>
I think they drink the jet fuel on the tarmac
19:28* alkisg is considering bringing a bike for the transportations
19:28
<Gadi>
alkisg: You gonna be there?
19:28
<alkisg>
I'll try to, there's hope yet
19:28
<Gadi>
haha!
19:28
<jammcq>
so far, the whole band is coming
19:29
except for davidj
19:29
<Gadi>
awesome
19:29
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, my offer is still open too. :)
19:29
<jammcq>
he's likely not gonna be able to make it
19:29
<Gadi>
oh crap, I owe davidj a phone call
19:29
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: excellent!
19:29
<Gadi>
sigh
19:29
stop the world
19:29
<jammcq>
heh
19:29
<alkisg>
We'll have enough manpower there to start LTSP 6, and also eat half of the US lobster production
19:29* Gadi goes to update the google calendar...
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<jammcq>
we could always adopt the Firefox naming convention and just keep coming out with new major releases every 6 weeks
19:34
<Gadi>
alkisg: with enough beer, we can prolly finish ltsp6
19:36
<alkisg>
Hmm I can bring a few galons of a local drink called tsipouro, if you guys can handle it we'll even surpass google-chrome version :D
19:37
<jammcq>
alkisg: bring whatever you can. we'll put it to good use
20:01
<alkisg>
stgraber: there are some ubuntultsp wiki pages pointing to your old ppa for possible LTSP backports - do you have a new location for something similar, or should we remove any ppa references?
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20:02
<stgraber>
alkisg: I don't have a backport PPA for LTSP anymore. Some packages are in revolution linux's PPA but they are quite old
20:02
<alkisg>
OK, ty
20:02
!forget stgraber-ppa
20:02
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
20:02
<stgraber>
alkisg: what would be great is to have automatic builds of ldm, ltspfs, ltsp and ltsp-docs from the bzr tree
20:03
and have that as a PPA on ~ltsp-upstream
20:03
<alkisg>
Indeed, but maybe it'd be best for it not to be completely automatic, but for someone to select when to have a build out of the trunk
20:03
As sometimes the trunk can be unstable
20:04
I bet we can script this though
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<stgraber>
what I'd do is have a "daily" PPA for the autobuilds and a "stable" PPA where we copy stuff that's known to work
20:06
<alkisg>
Yeah that sounds good. I can try to do that on the BTS, if I make it there.
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<Ghidorah>
Sigh, anyone know of some steps to take when ltsp-cluster-accountmanger is killing users after an kernel update?
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