IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 October 2011   (all times are UTC)

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02:53
<jason___>
hello hello!
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03:38
<knipwim>
Ghidorah: in your nbdswap.conf file
03:39
located in /etc/ltsp
03:39
change the SWAPDIR var to the new dir
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08:20
<srvmng>
hi
08:20
Do you know if LTSP works on UBUNTU 10.04 64bit?
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08:25
<Hyperbyte>
...
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12:32
<jason___>
Just a thought - yesterday when I was testing LTSP with PowerPC systems, I was using a cat5 right in between the server and the client. Think the Macs would behave with that? Or should I put a switch in between?
12:32
<Hyperbyte>
jason___, it fetched DHCP lease, didn't it?
12:33
<jason___>
yeah. true.
12:33
<Hyperbyte>
If it was a layer 1 problem it wouldn't do that.
12:33
<jason___>
just trying to come up with explanations
12:33
backtrack a bit and see if I missed a step
12:33
that's all
12:33
<Hyperbyte>
Where are you at now?
12:33
<jason___>
I'm in another school till noon
12:33
after I'm back there
12:33
<Hyperbyte>
No, I mean...
12:33
... where.....
12:33
<jason___>
oh with the setup?
12:33
<Hyperbyte>
Yessir.
12:33
<jason___>
we got the PPC chroot
12:33
on the Ubuntu PPC server
12:34
I had to specify 3 mirror commands
12:34
evidently vagrantc and alkisg went back and forth and realized that the mirror is hardcoded into the ltsp-build-client command
12:34
which ultimately sent my client to the wrong place since there's only 5 people in the world who would ever spend as much time doing as what I'm trying to do :P
12:34
whereas 99.999% would be on intel/amd gear and utilize that hardcoded mirror
12:34
or something like that
12:35
so I had to specify three --mirror tags in the build command, which points me to security, update, and some other sort of update mirror
12:35
worked fine, c hroot completed without error.
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12:35
<jason___>
I hand out an IP, but no TFTP traffic in syslog
12:35
I went back to my DHCP config but its pretty spot-on to the example on the crossarch page.
12:35
beyond that I'm not sure if I have to edit anything else or not.
12:35
BUT - we have the chroot. whcih was the big thing...
12:36
but it's staying on the G4 server until I can get it working. If I can get the G4 server working, we'll fire it over to the intel server and do further testing.
12:36
<Hyperbyte>
Why not get it to the Intel server now?
12:36
<jason___>
alkisg thought it was useless until it works on the G4 server.
12:36
not to mention I wont be back at the intel server until tuesday
12:36
so...
12:36
<Hyperbyte>
Heh
12:37
<jason___>
I could probably fire up LTSP on my lenovo laptop though
12:37
<Hyperbyte>
14:35 <jason___> I hand out an IP, but no TFTP traffic in syslog
12:37
<jason___>
and rig it up to be an LTSP server
12:37
<Hyperbyte>
Have you tried packet capture?
12:37
<jason___>
hm. I have not.
12:37
<Hyperbyte>
Do you have console on the G4 server, or do you log in remotely?
12:37
<jason___>
neither right now.
12:38
I normally SSH to it but I can't hit it right now
12:38
not to mention it's on a secluded network normally for the actual LTSP/DHCP testing.
12:38
<Hyperbyte>
Well, run 'tcpdump -i eth0' on the G4 server, assuming eth0 is the interface the thin client is connected to, and assuming there is -no- other network traffic.
12:38
So you can't run that command via SSH, has to be console.
12:38
<jason___>
it's impossible for there to be any other network traffic.
12:38
<Hyperbyte>
Then boot client. You'll see exactly what it sends back/forth.
12:38
<jason___>
it's just server - cat5 - ibook (client)
12:39
sounds good. I'll put that in my notes.
12:39
<Hyperbyte>
Seeing that would be interesting as well, if you could > it and put it on pastebin.
12:39
<jason___>
yeah, I will
12:39
in fact
12:40
hm yeah. I'll be there a little earlier in the day than I thought
12:40
you asking me about the intel server also made me curious about something else.
12:40
I wonder if the PPC architecture on the SERVER is causing the current DHCP config (which, maybe it's correct??) to foul out, but if I dropped that same config on an Intel server, if it would work fine.
12:41
<Hyperbyte>
I'm guessing it's more simple.
12:41
Error in your dhcpd config or tftpboot directory
12:41
<jason___>
yeah
12:41
alkisg said my tftpboot contents looked good
12:41
yaboot files, etc.
12:42
<Hyperbyte>
Did he give any clues as to do what it can be?
12:42
<jason___>
we didn't go further in that because he said he wasn't too sure about PPC specific stuff like that, but seeing yaboot was at least a +1
12:42
He basically said this...
12:42
DHCP works, TFTP is not.
12:42
so he said we'd have to look at the TFTP traffic and see what's up.
12:42
But I was late to look at a house when we were talking so I couldnt do any further testing
12:43
<Hyperbyte>
Oh, how was it?
12:43
<jason___>
a bust
12:43
girlfriend loved it, I didn't.
12:43
<Hyperbyte>
Haha
12:43
<jason___>
neighbors were close, shared driveway, nice looking neighborhood but both neighbors had NO TRESPASSING signs up. just made me "ehh"
12:44
taxes were too expensive too. nearly 400 a month.
12:44
we can get the same size house, bigger plot, with same price tag yet 200-220/mo in taxes.
12:44
but oh well.
12:46
anyway I'll play around with that box later today.
12:46
I just got to thinking a few things and figured I'd fire them out in here and see.
12:46
<Hyperbyte>
:)
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13:25
<jammcq>
good morning friends
13:25
<Hyperbyte>
Hey Jim!
13:26
<mgariepy>
good morning!
13:26
<jammcq>
hey guys
13:27
mgariepy: I see someone from Revolution Linux has arranged for some sponsorship for some BTS expenses
13:27
that's most excellent!
13:29
<mgariepy>
yeah ;) Revolution Linux will pay for the usual stuff ;)
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13:30
<jammcq>
mgariepy: yeah, very nice. I managed to get DisklessWorkstations to cover the cost of the lobster dinner again :)
13:31
and a school here in the detroit area is kicking in $200 for sponsorship for more expenses
13:31
looks like a nicely funded dev conference
13:33
<mgariepy>
that's nice :)
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13:36
<Hyperbyte>
Almost makes me wish I was an LTSP developer too. :(
13:43
<jammcq>
Hyperbyte: don't let that stop you from coming
13:44
we also have a few "invited guests" that have helped ltsp in some way
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13:50
<mgariepy>
how many lobsters will you have this year?
14:00
<jammcq>
mgariepy: only 1
14:00
maybe 2
14:00
but i'm defintely not going to eat 4 like I did a couple years ago
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14:08
<mgariepy>
hehe
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:)
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14:12
<Hyperbyte>
jammcq, I actually did consider it, never been to the states before
14:12
But since we're in the process of moving to a much bigger building, and setting up two new daughter companies in the process...
14:13
<pscheie>
Hyperbyte, where are you (roughly)?
14:13
<Hyperbyte>
I think my boss would kill me when I come back.
14:13
<jammcq>
Hyperbyte: it's probably too late for you to arrange to come here, but maybe next year. we've been doing this every year for the past 10 years or so
14:13
<Hyperbyte>
pscheie, roughly, Schiekade 830 Rotterdam, Netherlands
14:13
Not roughly enough? :P
14:13
<jammcq>
sbalneav and I have agreed that we'll keep on doing this until we're the last 2 people showing up. and even then we'll keep doing it
14:14
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte oh come on, I'm afraid to go to NY alone, come along .... :)
14:14
<pscheie>
I was in the Netherlands a couple years ago. Rotterdam was on the list initially, but got cut because of insufficient time.
14:14
<Hyperbyte>
jammcq, as long as the LTSP project keeps getting new blood, and new initiatives and people wanting to help out, I don't think it'll ever come to that.
14:15
<pscheie>
jammcq, I really should put together another get-together in Mpls, as it's halfway between you and sbalneav
14:15
<jammcq>
alkisg: when are you arriving in nyc ?
14:15
<Hyperbyte>
pscheie, Rotterdam is quite a unique city. It's the only city that I know, that doesn't have a classic, 'old' city centre. There are very, very few buildings here which are older than 1950.
14:15
<alkisg>
jammcq: 19th, I took the opportunity to see the big apple for a week
14:15
<jammcq>
pscheie: i'd be happy to show up to say hello, but i really can't talk about ltsp anymore. i'm too far away from the development
14:16
alkisg: hmmm, we'll be having an awesome dinner on the 26th at a great steakhouse in brooklyn
14:16
http://www.peterlugers.com/
14:16
I never pass up a chance to have dinner there when i'm in town
14:16
perhaps you can join us
14:16
<m4xx>
I know this is completely off topic but it seems like there are a lot of experience professionals here. I've got a job interview that I need to schedule but i'm currently employed and it's a least a 2 hour round trip from my current job. And I don't want to let on that i'm looking for another job. I think my boss may know i'm unhappy and may suspect something. Can anyone offer any insight or suggestions?
14:17
<alkisg>
I'd love to, maybe we can also ask Gadi?
14:17
<jammcq>
alkisg: we can certainly invite Gadi, but it's not a kosher place, so he's likely not to eat what we're eating
14:18
<alkisg>
Ah right
14:18* alkisg always forgets that, not many Jews here in Greece
14:18
<Hyperbyte>
m4xx, my advice: give all the hints you can that you're looking for another job.
14:18
<jammcq>
scotty and I will arrive in NYC sometime on monday, the 24th
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14:19
<m4xx>
Hyperbyte: can you please elaborate?
14:19
<Hyperbyte>
m4xx, if your boss wants to keep you, he'll come talk to you himself.
14:19
<m4xx>
The problem is it's a kind of big pay increase, as well as benefits, vaca and paid holidays
14:20
i'm not sure he could offer anything close
14:20
<Hyperbyte>
m4xx, well, give him a chance to try.
14:20
If you're gonna leave, you're gonna leave. Nothing he can do about that.
14:20
<m4xx>
He's not exactly a calm person and tends to live in the moment ;[
14:20
<alkisg>
jammcq: I'll send you an email then, for the details about the steakhouse
14:20
ty :)
14:20
<jammcq>
alkisg: sure
14:20
<Hyperbyte>
m4xx, so what's the worst that could happen?
14:21
<m4xx>
I get fired
14:21
lol
14:21
<Hyperbyte>
m4xx, that'd be awesome.
14:21
<m4xx>
then i don't land the job i'm interviewing for
14:22
<Hyperbyte>
m4xx, he -can't- fire you because you're looking for another job. So he could lay you off, but that means he has keep paying your salary for a year or so, to give you a chance to find another job.
14:22
Or at least that's how it works here.
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14:22
<m4xx>
not here =[
14:22
<Hyperbyte>
Are you 100% sure?
14:22
<m4xx>
i live in an "at will" state
14:22
<jammcq>
yeah
14:22
<m4xx>
which means if he doesn't like the color of my shoes, he can fire me
14:23
<Hyperbyte>
Ah.
14:23
Well, how valuable an employee are you?
14:23
<m4xx>
Where are you from? i think i need to move
14:23
lol
14:23
<jammcq>
well... color of shoes would be fine. color of skin would be a whole different story
14:23
<m4xx>
lol jammcq
14:23
<Hyperbyte>
I'm from The Netherlands. Best thing that could happen to me is being fired due to circumstances no t my fault, while entertaining job offers. Would mean lots of free money.
14:24
<m4xx>
I turned the company paperless and built their inventory/employee tracking system
14:24
<Hyperbyte>
m4xx, so... it'll cost him lots of money to replace you, right?
14:24
<m4xx>
yeah
14:24
<Hyperbyte>
So why are you afraid he's gonna fire you?
14:24
Is he mentally retarded?
14:24
<m4xx>
because he can, he's rich
14:24
and yes, some times it seems like he is
14:25
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, and he wants to stay rich I bet.
14:25
<m4xx>
judging by some of the questions he asks ;x
14:26
<Hyperbyte>
Meh... I think you're worried about nothing.
14:26
I can't imagine a boss who's afraid of an employee going to work for someone else, so they fire him. That makes zero sense.
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14:27
<Hyperbyte>
It's like being afraid your girlfriend will go out with someone else, so you dump her.
14:27
I mean....? :\
14:28
<m4xx>
Yeah
14:28
<alkisg>
I'd prefer to be afraid that my girlfriend would dump me, and to go with someone else instead... :P
14:29
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, but you have another, nicer, much better looking girlfriend lined up, who wants sex five times a week instead of two, .......
14:29
<m4xx>
i'm just a passive person and try to stay away from confrontation =[
14:29
guess i'm a wuss
14:29
Hyperbyte: only 5? you must be getting old
14:29
;x
14:30
kidding, dont kb me!
14:30
<Hyperbyte>
Hah
14:30
Maybe I just haven't had the sex-beast-type-girlfriends. =)
14:31
<m4xx>
#defocus needs a bot or somethin =\
14:32
So in your opinion, i should just tell him i have an interview and ask for the time off?
14:32
<Hyperbyte>
No
14:33
You should tell him you need 1 day off for personal business.
14:33
And hope he starts fishing, and then refuse to tell him, so he gets even more curious and eventually does 1+1=2
14:33
I mean, he can't refuse you taking a vacation day, can he?
14:34
<m4xx>
i don't really get vacation days
14:34
=\
14:34
<Hyperbyte>
...
14:34
<m4xx>
i get no vaca, no sick, no benefits lots of stress
14:34
hence, looking for another position =x
14:35
<Hyperbyte>
Over here, there's mandatory vacation days.
14:35
For every worker.
14:35
<m4xx>
need a room mate?
14:35
<Hyperbyte>
Haha
14:35
I'm still living with my parents.
14:35
<m4xx>
haha
14:35
<Hyperbyte>
I'm hardly ever at home, and they're nice enough people... so...
14:35
<m4xx>
there's nothing wrong with that ;]
14:35
<Hyperbyte>
Plus they're both retired, and I pay them for space. :)
14:36
Nah, just explaining. :P
14:36
<jammcq>
Hyperbyte: maybe that explains your previous comment about not having the sex-beast gf
14:38
<Hyperbyte>
Hahah
14:38
My previous girlfriend had her own apartment. ;-)
14:39
Very sharp of you though. :P
14:40
I'd get my own apartment in a heartbeat, if it meant sex on a regular basis.
14:43
Right.
14:43
So, is this officially the most off-topic this channel has ever been, or?
14:43* Hyperbyte coughs
14:44* Hyperbyte whistles innocently
14:44
<jammcq>
at least I can follow this conversation. the technical stuff that goes on here is getting over my head lately. :)
14:45
<Hyperbyte>
Hehehe
14:45
<m4xx>
at least it's logged for future generations to learn about your sexual frustrations ;x
14:46
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte maintains the logs, so he can easily switch his lines with someone else's ... :D
14:46* Hyperbyte whistles innocently again
14:46
<Hyperbyte>
Nah, why would I?
14:46
<m4xx>
hahaha
14:52
<Hyperbyte>
What is interesting, is that whenever people ask LTSP questions here there's maybe 1 or 2 people replying
14:52
But when the subject becomes sex, suddenly everybody's active.
14:52
Or at least it seems like it. :P
14:53
<jammcq>
:)
14:53
<pscheie>
jammcq, I just read vagrant's messages from yesterday. Is he a go for BTS?
14:54
<jammcq>
I don't think he's bought his plane ticket yet
14:54
but if he does, then i'd say he's all set
14:54
<pscheie>
cool! and ogra_ too. I picked a good year to go.
14:55
<jammcq>
yes, it's shaping up quite nicely
14:55
once vagrant confirms, we'll have 15 people
14:55
we usually get a few extras showing up
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14:56
<toddobryan>
I'm trying to install Eclipse and some plugins in my fat client chroot. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to do it using just command line.
14:57
How can I run a graphical program inside the chroot?
14:57
(I'm on Ubuntu 10.04, by the way.)
14:58
<Hyperbyte>
toddobryan, I have no idea, but installing using just command-line is done with "apt-get install <program>"
14:58
<alkisg>
That's what I plan to bring up to BTS, allowing people to graphically boot their chroots with e.g. vbox, qemu, nfs rw etc
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<pscheie>
alkisg, I was playing with multisystem last night (http://liveusb.info/dotclear/)
15:03
It's for putting multiple live ISOs onto a flash drive.
15:04
One nice feature is that there's a button which will boot the flash drive in qemu or VB, similar perhaps to what you're talking about.
15:05
<alkisg>
pscheie: the problem is that ltsp-build-client ruins the chroot and makes it unbootable
15:05
So I'd like to propose moving the "destructive" stuff, from ltsp-build-client, to the initramfs or similar
15:06
The actual booting isn't the problem then...
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15:22
<PJOMara>
Process:245 GLib-Warning xx:getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user (0)- I have two LTSP networks setup. On several computer I get this message during startup. Oddly, among identical computers, some boot fine others get the above-mentioned error message. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
15:23
<shawnp0wers>
Just a quick question, is this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ChrootCronjobs still the best way to do crontab in a chroot for recent ubuntu releases?
15:23
it says specific to 8.04-9.04
15:27
<mgariepy>
shawnp0wers, CRONTAB_01 to 10 should be already included in newer releases.
15:27
you might need to install cron in the chroot.
15:27
<shawnp0wers>
mgariepy: so no need to make the crontab.sh file?
15:29
<mgariepy>
it's in /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common and called by /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
15:29
so no you won't need that script.
15:30
at least you shouldn't
15:30
you can take a look in the init script to make sure
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<shawnp0wers>
awesome, thanks
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<alkisg>
PJOMara: If I remember well, the warning you see can be safely ignored. If your clients won't boot, the error is somewhere else.
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15:47
<Ghidorah>
mgariepy: Sorry about yesterday, I asked if you were around and then users flooded my office requesting assistance.
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15:51
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so, i'll see you in boston in a few weeks! :)
15:51
<jammcq>
vagrantc: got your plane ticket?
15:52
<vagrantc>
jammcq: indeed. and see you in *west harbor!
15:52
<jammcq>
rock-n-roll !!!
15:52
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yeyyy!!!! :)
15:52
<vagrantc>
did i overhear that ogra_ was coming too?
15:52* jammcq adds vagrantc to the wiki page
15:52
<jammcq>
i believe he is
15:52
<Ghidorah>
Jammcq: Did Mr. Hansknecht get with you?
15:52
<jammcq>
he's on the wiki so he must be
15:53
Ghidorah: yes, he did
15:53
<Ghidorah>
Excellent!
15:53
<jammcq>
Ghidorah: are you working with him?
15:53
<vagrantc>
a fine shindig
15:53
<ogra_>
vagrantc, yep
15:53
<Ghidorah>
Yeah, I've been pushing for him to get the school to donate money to the conference.
15:54
<jammcq>
cool. if you get a chance, ask him if he got the email I sent to him this morning. i've been playing with my email config and I want to make sure it doesn't get lost
15:55
we have 15 people signed up for bts-2011
15:55
we have sponsorship from DisklessWorkstations for the saturday night dinner
15:55
<Ghidorah>
I will ask him.
15:55
<jammcq>
and from Revolution Linux for the conference room and sunday breakfast
15:55
<Ghidorah>
DisklessWorkstations is pretty sweet. I went to their LTSP bootcamp last year.
15:56
Not bad turn out for sponsorship.
15:56
<jammcq>
and we have some money from University of Detroit Jesuit school. that'll probably cover friday nights dinner
15:56
I think we're doing better this year than last, so that's pretty good
15:56* vagrantc will subsist on undomesticated grasses
15:56
<jammcq>
I was worried that we'd have alot fewer attendees and less sponsorship this year
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<jammcq>
but we're doing great on both
15:57
<Ghidorah>
Is it mainly a developer conference?
15:57
<jammcq>
ummmm
15:58
it's most of the core developers and several people that are in some way related to ltsp
15:58
<Levende>
is there a mirror where I can download the bzImage used by LTSP for booting diskless nodes, without having to download everything else?
15:58
<jammcq>
we all get together to discuss the direction of ltsp
15:59
<alkisg>
Levende: the kernel is the same; the initrd is generated dynamically by update-initramfs, so no...
16:03
<toddobryan>
Hyperbyte: (Sorry, I was teaching.) Unfortunately, Eclipse plugins don't have packages and after a few hundred views, no one on the Eclipse forums could tell me how to install one from the command line. :-(
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16:05
<toddobryan>
alkisg: Does what you said above mean that I can't run a graphical installer from within the fat-client chroot?
16:06
<alkisg>
toddobryan: it's possible, but it's difficult, and it won't work for all programs
16:07
<toddobryan>
Let me ask this theoretical question...I'm installing Eclipse and plugins into /opt, because the Ubuntu package is pretty unstable.
16:07
<TheProf>
Good day. I have been running edubuntu 11.04 for a few months and it's been great. I had set in lts.conf LDM_XSESSION="gnome-session --session=classic-gnome" so that way people would not get Unity but Gnome. It just stopped working today and I can't figure out why.
16:08
<toddobryan>
If I getting it working on the server, should it be sufficient to copy from /opt/eclipse on the server into the chroot's /opt/eclipse?
16:08
They're both amd64 (the server and the fat-client image).
16:08
<alkisg>
toddobryan: possibly, try it
16:08
<TheProf>
So I searched and found this alternative solution to switching from Unity to Gnome: http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg39843.html
16:09
But I don't really understand how to implement it - advice? Thank you.
16:09
<toddobryan>
alkisg: Any chance of breaking something terribly?
16:09
Well, I guess not, if I don't copy anywhere but /opt/eclipse. OK, I'm trying it.
16:10
<vagrantc>
TheProf: you need to install a sources.list entry for the PPA and then install ldm from the PPA in your ltsp chroot.
16:11
<alkisg>
toddobryan: I think it'd be better if you actually installed eclipse in the chroot before adding the plugins, doesn't it have a command line installation?
16:12
(not the plugins, but eclipse itself)
16:12
<toddobryan>
It's really unstable/slow because it uses gcj. The Eclipse people actually recommend *not* using the Ubuntu package.
16:13
<TheProf>
vagrantc, the sources entry list for PPA makes sense to me. The installation from the PPA of ldm into the chroot -- that's the tricky part. can I follow the instructions here ( http://groosd.blogspot.com/2011/01/how-to-install-into-ltsp-chroot.html ) but change the example from openoffice to LDM
16:13
?
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<vagrantc>
TheProf: yes, unless it doesn't pull in the PPA version by default...
16:15
TheProf: you might have to do: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ldm=VERSION
16:15
is ltsp-chroot available in ubuntu yet? :)
16:17
<alkisg>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
16:17
apt-get install python-software-properties
16:17
add-apt-repository ppa:ltsp-upstream/daily
16:17
apt-get update
16:17
apt-get dist-upgrade
16:17
exit
16:17
sudo ltsp-update-image
16:17
TheProf: something like this ^
16:18
<Ghidorah>
Anyone use LTSP-Cluster and LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION? This variable does not seem to work reliably.
16:19
<TheProf>
vagrantc, yes the command ltsp-chroot command is available on my version.
16:21
<vagrantc>
TheProf: ltsp-chroot handles several of the more obscure things (LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS, /proc mounting, finding which chroot, etc.) automatically
16:21
TheProf: so instead of "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386" you can typically just use "ltsp-chroot"
16:22
saves some typing and has some extra safety measures
16:22
<TheProf>
vagrantc, that is great. I can't seem to find a man page for ltsp-chroot to see how to use it.
16:23
<vagrantc>
TheProf: anywhere you see "chroot /opt/ltsp/i386" you should be able to use ltsp-chroot instead
16:23
<TheProf>
vagrantc, I see. thanks.
16:24
<alkisg>
ltsp-chroot --help
16:24
<vagrantc>
maybe the /proc mounting isn't handled by default, but i know alkisg added a number of extra features to ltsp-chroot
16:24
<alkisg>
They're not by default, yes, so some parameters are needed
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<TheProf>
alkisg, thanks for that.
16:26
<vagrantc>
i ship a manpage with debian, though it should really be updated.
16:27
doesn't have all the new and fancy features, and was written before cross-architecture stuff was working well
16:30
<TheProf>
vagrantc, I'm trying it with the defaults now
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<TheProf>
OK so the add-apt-repository command doesn't exist while chrooted
16:47
<Ghidorah>
TheProf: You have to install python-software-properties in the chroot.
16:47
<TheProf>
Ghidorah, oh - i thought that was an example. OK
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17:02
<TheProf>
OK so I was able to successfully get into ltsp-chroot, add the ppa, apt-get update and dist-upgrade, then exit, sudo ltsp-update-image, and add LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback" to lts.conf
17:02
But the thin client still boots up unity.
17:03
So here's what may be a silly question -- I have both /i386 and /amd64 images. How do I know which one is being updated & transferred?
17:04
<alkisg>
!localxterm
17:04
<ltsp>
alkisg: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
17:04
<alkisg>
Open a localxterm on the client and run uname -a
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17:13
<jason___>
hello!
17:16
ping Hyperbyte
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17:32
<Gadi1>
anybody know of a Linux app that will read the blasted .eml files that come from Outlook?
17:33
<Ghidorah>
thunderbird?
17:38
<alkisg>
Gadi1: evolution, but inline
17:39
<Gadi1>
hmm... ok
17:39
will try
17:39
<alkisg>
http://www.zyxware.com/articles/626/how-to-open-eml-files-and-included-attachments-in-ubuntu-or-any-other-gnu-linux-distro
17:39
Create a mail, attach the .eml, close the mail so that it gets saved in draft
17:39
Then go in draft and see the mail, and expand the attachment
17:41
<Ghidorah>
Does anyone log off idle users automatically on LTSP?
17:42
<vagrantc>
Ghidorah: i'm trying
17:42
the way to do it would be to implement a screensaver that rather than locking the screen, initiates a logout process with a timer
17:43
<Ghidorah>
Could you use bash TMOUT variable?
17:43
<vagrantc>
Gadi1: so i'm all hooked up with the boston.
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17:48
<jason___>
http://pastebin.com/Stb89dUE
17:48
my tcpdump on the ppc setup
17:52
<Gadi1>
vagrantc: awesome!
17:53
email me your itinerary
17:53
hehe - I think I removed evolution from every machine I have
17:53
lol
17:53* Gadi1 wishes users would not send .eml to gmail
17:57
<alkisg>
jason___: paste your dhcpd.conf, and enable verbose tftp so that you see if the client reaches the "downloading the kernel from tftp" stage
17:59
<Ghidorah>
vagrantc: Any thoughts on the auto log off using bash's TMOUT variable?
17:59
<vagrantc>
Ghidorah: doubt if it would work
18:00
<Ghidorah>
:-/
18:00
<jason___>
http://pastebin.com/uBi4Tc7h
18:00
<vagrantc>
and if it would, it would effectively be like hitting the power button ... so not a clean logout
18:00
<jason___>
alkisg: ^
18:01
is the verbose option what you said yesterday?
18:01
<vagrantc>
need to write a screensaver that can call a logout program on a timer
18:01
<TheProf>
Follow-up question: does lts.conf affect both the /i386 and /amd64 images?
18:02
only the i386 folder has an lts.conf. I'm not actually sure why I have both architectures - they just magically showed up a little while ago.
18:02
<Ghidorah>
What I was reading is that the TMOUT would go in the user's bash profile
18:02
can you not initiate a clean logout from bash?
18:03
<alkisg>
jason___: is that your real setup? Or you just copied the webpage example to pastebin?
18:04
<jason___>
alkisg: its my setup. I'm using that IP scheme in my testing environment. I wasn't sure what else to change since the directory matched, etc.
18:04
<alkisg>
jason___: e.g. 217.115.139.139 is not a valid dns server
18:04
You should modify the example to match your setup
18:04
What's your server IP address?
18:04
<jason___>
TFTP calls on DNS?
18:05
192.168.100.1
18:05
for the test PPC server
18:05
<alkisg>
Yes
18:06
<jason___>
I don't have this test server on the main network, so even if I put in my TRUE DNS server for the network itw ouldnt matter
18:06
should I use 100.1 for DNS?
18:06
<alkisg>
OK. Enable full logging for dhcp and tftp, so that you see which vendor identifier the client sends etc
18:06
And remove the broken dns server
18:06
<jason___>
just remove it entirely?
18:06
<alkisg>
Yes
18:06
<jason___>
so no DNS entry whatsoever?
18:06
<alkisg>
Yes
18:06
As I understand, you don't have a dns server in your test setup
18:07
<jason___>
that's correct
18:07
<TheProf>
I'm asking because I think none of the changes are happening at the thin client because there are two images perhaps?
18:07
<jason___>
I know I'd have to edit it in the real setup, but here I had no idea what to do since it was a testing ground.
18:07
alkisg: also, there is no /ltsp
18:07
but in the dhcp config there's 2 entries calling for /ltsp/yaboot, etc
18:07
<alkisg>
That's relative to your tftp dir
18:07
<jason___>
oh
18:08
<alkisg>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/yaboot
18:08
<jason___>
how do I enable full logging on dhcp and tftp?
18:08
<alkisg>
You put this line after authoritative:
18:08
logging
18:08
For tftp, I told you yesterday
18:08
<jason___>
I already have --verbose in the tftp file
18:08
<alkisg>
(the --verbose part)
18:09
OK, so once the client starts asking files from tftp, you should be seeing logs entries
18:09
<jason___>
k, I have logging in dhcp now
18:09
should I tail sys log?
18:09
<alkisg>
Yes, and pastebin the requests/replies etc
18:10
<vagrantc>
TheProf: it will use whatever architecture your dhcpd.conf tells it to use
18:10
i don't think there's any magic in LTSP to autodetect i386 vs. amd64
18:11
<alkisg>
vagrantc: about the MIRRORs... wouldn't it be better if the default was to provide no mirrors at all to debootstrap, instead of hardcoded mirrors?
18:12
<TheProf>
vagrantc, ok - but only one copy of lts.conf in i386?
18:13
<vagrantc>
alkisg: that didn't work very well in debian way back when... not sure what the current status is
18:13
<alkisg>
Ah, ok
18:14
<vagrantc>
TheProf: my guess is only the lts.conf for the appropriate architecture is used... but i'm not so familiar with that part of the code
18:14
<jason___>
http://pastebin.com/siuAq2JK
18:16
I can't really make any sense of it alkisg. I find it weird that its up, down, up, down. Don't you? Or is that somewhat normal?
18:16
<alkisg>
jason___: how big is the yaboot file? And also, what do you see on the client when all of this is happening?
18:17
<jason___>
alkisg: just a flashing network icon. nothing more, nothing less.
18:17
<alkisg>
ls -lh /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/yaboot
18:18
<vagrantc>
alkisg: might be possible to drop, although with debian i've switched to a default that attempts to pick a mirror based on geoip data...
18:18
<jason___>
alkisg: uh... yaboot doenst exist in taht directory. only "powerpc"
18:18
yaboot is inside powerpc, though
18:19
<alkisg>
Then change your dhcpd.conf to point to ltsp/powerpc/yaboot
18:19
<vagrantc>
powerpc is really fussy
18:19
<jason___>
no kidding... :(
18:19
alkisg: let me try that quick
18:19
<alkisg>
remember to restart dhcpd
18:20
<jason___>
already did
18:20
<alkisg>
vagrantc: /me would leave the defaults up to debootstrap... and of course allow the user to manually specify a MIRROR like he does now
18:20
Of course if the debootstrap defaults aren't good enough, well... :)
18:21
<jason___>
no difference
18:21
damn this mac hardware...
18:21
<alkisg>
No difference in the logs too?
18:21
<vagrantc>
alkisg: we need to manually specify a mirror to add to sources.list anyways
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<jason___>
hang on, forgot the log. I'm rebooting the client to run it with logs
18:23
<fossala>
I have installed ltsp on ubuntu 11.10 and when the thin client boots it just goes to busybox - ash. Can anyone help. I normally use debian 6 and all works fine.
18:23
<jason___>
alkisg: no difference. but I wonder... there's one line that reads - ubuntu-ppc in.tftpd(2477): RRQ from 192.168.100.21 filename /ltsp/yaboot
18:23
ltsp yaboot...
18:23
ltsp powerpc yaboot.....
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<alkisg>
jason___: copy the file from powerpc/yaboot to just ltsp/yaboot
18:24
<jason___>
change dhcp back?
18:24
<alkisg>
No leave it
18:24
<vagrantc>
we use powerpc LTSP at freegeek a little, although the network boot setup is crazy because we needed to do other types of network boot
18:24
<alkisg>
!quiet splash | echo fossala:
18:24
<ltsp>
fossala: I do not know about 'quiet splash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'quiet-splash'
18:24
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash | echo fossala:
18:24
<ltsp>
fossala: quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
18:24
<jason___>
alkisg: but the dhcp config is calling for /ltsp/powerpc/yaboot. if I MOVE yaboot from /powerpc to /ltsp, it'll change there...
18:24
<alkisg>
Don't move it, copy it
18:25
<jason___>
k
18:25
<alkisg>
If the client wants it there, give the client what it asks for :)
18:25
...and you can fine-tune your troubleshooting later
18:25
<fossala>
alkisg, Thanks I will check it out.
18:26
<vagrantc>
and then there are crazy adventures in "do i include /yaboot" or just "yaboot" or "/ltsp/powerpc/yaboot" or "ltsp/powerpc/yaboot"
18:26
<Ghidorah>
vagrantc: Do you often manually log off users from their terminals?
18:26
<jason___>
okay, looking at a gray screen so far...
18:26
not sure what its doing...
18:27
<alkisg>
jason___: so how big is the yaboot file?
18:27
<jason___>
logs have 3 entries... of 192.168.100.21 hitting ltsp/yaboot, yaboot.conf, and /ltsp/powerpc/vmlinux
18:27
<vagrantc>
Ghidorah: i try social engineering ...
18:27
<jason___>
182k
18:27
<vagrantc>
Ghidorah: and recently made the default wallpaper a plea to logout, with a big arrow pointing to the logout button
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<vagrantc>
Ghidorah: and also set a hard timeout of 2 hours ... with notices that pop up now and then
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18:28
<alkisg>
Ghidorah: it's possible to run a script on the server that invokes logoff for the clients, you just need their DBUS_SESSION_ADDRESS to invoke the logout call
18:28
This way they logout gracefully
18:28
<vagrantc>
in gnome?
18:28
<alkisg>
Gnome, kde, xfce
18:28
<vagrantc>
lxde?
18:29
<alkisg>
LXDE doesn't use dbus for logout
18:29
<vagrantc>
gah.
18:29
<alkisg>
They suggested to just kill lxde-session
18:29
<vagrantc>
maybe we should switch to gnome.
18:29
no... that brings the server to a crawl.
18:30
<Ghidorah>
where does the DBUS_SESSION_ADDRESS variable exist
18:30
<alkisg>
Ghidorah: how good are you in shell scripting?
18:31
<Ghidorah>
Unix 100 college course good :)
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18:31
<alkisg>
Cool, let me give you 2 scripts that would need merging to get the job done..
18:32
<Ghidorah>
That'd be awesome
18:32
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'd like a look at this stuff too ...
18:33
<alkisg>
First part, how to logout once you have set the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/view/head:/epoptes-client/endsession
18:33
<pscheie>
vagrantc, are you going to make it to BTS?
18:33
<alkisg>
Ah, I don't know if the xfce part with work, but gnome and kde will
18:34
<vagrantc>
pscheie: i've failed to since 2005... but it looks like i will this year! :)
18:34
<pscheie>
cool!
18:34
<alkisg>
Ghidorah, vagrantc: second part, the same way I get DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY in this script, you'd need to get DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/704123/
18:35
<fossala>
It is saying it cannot connect to nbd image but I have checked the config in /etc and it seems to be fine.
18:35
<alkisg>
fossala: from the client, try: nbd-client 1.2.3.4 2000 /dev/nbd0
18:35
where 1.2.3.4 = your server ip
18:36
<vagrantc>
alkisg: if i did it from the same user, it wouldn't need to be nearly so complicated, though?
18:36
<alkisg>
vagrantc: you need to set the DBUS address AND do it from the same user
18:36
<vagrantc>
alkisg: but why the need for sudo?
18:37
<alkisg>
The script it a big of a mess, it needs rewritting,
18:37
but you need to su to the user
18:37
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i want a process running as the user to do this stuff
18:37
<alkisg>
It'd be a better idea to su first, and get the DBUS env var later, sure
18:37
<vagrantc>
i.e. "i've been idle for a while, initiate clean logout..."
18:38
<alkisg>
vagrantc: why not have a cron job check all users every e.g. 5 minutes?
18:38
<vagrantc>
check the user's idle status?
18:38
<alkisg>
Yes
18:38
Instead of having many user processes, e.g. user cron jobs, to have a central one...
18:38
<vagrantc>
but then you'd have one user who's idle for different time periods logged out differently
18:38
<fossala>
alkisg: The error message displayed is 'Error: Socket failed: Connection refused
18:39
Exiting.
18:39
<vagrantc>
i.e. one user gets logged out after 15 minutes of idle, and another after 11
18:39
<alkisg>
vagrantc: how could you do it for one user?
18:39
*would
18:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: dump it in /etc/X11/Xsession.d ...
18:39
<alkisg>
And? sleep for 1 min after every check?
18:40
<vagrantc>
sure
18:40
<alkisg>
You can then have a central cron job that runs every minute instead
18:40
Instead of e.g. 100 user processes running/sleeping every minute
18:40
Or if you prefer sleeping instead of cron, you can have the central process sleep for 1 minute too
18:41
But
18:41
<Ghidorah>
Yeah I guess my Unix 100 college course was lacking
18:41
<alkisg>
If you do it with a screensaver ,that's different
18:41
<vagrantc>
it seems clunkier to me
18:41
<Ghidorah>
I'm going to have to stare at this for a while.
18:41
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm essentially looking for something implemented as a screensaver
18:41
<alkisg>
With a screensaver it's much cleaner to do it on the user level
18:41
<Ghidorah>
vagrantc: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeScreensaver/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
18:41
there is a section
18:42
<jason___>
maybe t his is a lost cause. google has so little to go on...
18:42
<alkisg>
I agree, that would be the best implementation, screensaver based
18:42
<Ghidorah>
"Is there a way to perform actions when the screensaver activates or deactivates? Or when the session becomes idle?"
18:42
Perhaps if you use that you can initate a log off?
18:44
<vagrantc>
would be nice...
18:45
seems like it would be such a useful feature to integrate directly into the screensaver ...
18:45
<Ghidorah>
It does
18:45
<vagrantc>
i played around with xautolock to do this sort of thing... but not sucessfully
18:46
Ghidorah: it looks like it's expecting you to monitor the screensaver status and do something with the results, rather than the screensaver initiating the action.
18:46
<Ghidorah>
yeah
18:46
I agree with you
18:47
it'd be awesome if the screensaver had a logoff user option
18:47
<alkisg>
It would be easy to write such a screensaver and force it for all the users
18:47
<vagrantc>
xautolock should do exactly what i want ... but i had trouble getting it to work well
18:48
it seems like it would be easy, but well over my head :)
18:48
the other part is taking over gnome-screensaver vs. xscreensaver vs. some other screensaver ... getting it to be the default screensaver is trickier than i'd like.
18:48
<alkisg>
Which part, the screensaver or the mandatory gconf setting?
18:49
<vagrantc>
alkisg: well, i'm still set on LXDE which doesn't use gconf
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<alkisg>
Does it have mandatory settings?
18:49
<vagrantc>
not that i can find
18:49
<alkisg>
(btw ubuntu has a special case for ltsp, it forces the blank screensaver, hardcoded)
18:50
Somewhere in gnome, don't remember exactly where I saw it in the code
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<mgariepy>
the blank screensaver is only to save then network
18:50
s/then/the
18:51
<alkisg>
Yes, but e.g. if someone wants to create a "logout screensaver", that makes it harder
18:51
<vagrantc>
it's awesome
18:51
<Ghidorah_>
Ahh
18:51
I missed what mgariepy said!
18:52
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah, fortunately for you i didn't said much :)
18:52
<Ghidorah_>
Dang
18:52
I was hoping you were like AHA Guys this is how you do it
18:52
<mgariepy>
did you fix your problem yesterday ?
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<Ghidorah_>
I cannot see any evidence of the terminals crashing
18:54
but then again I don't have the best methods currently of monitoring for issues with LTSP.
18:57
<mgariepy>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/gnome-screensaver/natty/files/head:/debian/patches/
18:57
this is set in 04_force_blank_on_ltsp.path ;)
18:57
patch
18:58
<Ghidorah_>
My screens blank currently
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<Ghidorah_>
I forget how I did it
18:58
or if I did anything at all to do it
18:58
I know they blank really fast... < 5 minutes
18:59
<mgariepy>
you can also set the gconf key mandatory with : gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --set --type string /apps/gnome-screensaver/mode blank-only
18:59
<Ghidorah_>
ahh that is how I did it
18:59
mgariepy: I was bugging you yesterday to ask you how do you monitor your servers and such?
19:01
<jason___>
alkisg: any opinion of this idea? Considering the oldest system we have is 384 RAM with an 800mhz PPC processor, I wonder if we can just go with native installs on Ubuntu PPC and drop the thin client thing?
19:01
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah_, well, i install nagios to monitor stuff but i'm not monitoring much since i work as a consultant and the tech when i have deployment are receiving the call, they call me only when they can't figure out the solution by themselves
19:01
<jason___>
at least I KNOW Ubuntu PPC will function on a PPC platform...
19:02
<alkisg>
jason___: for local installations, I'd use debian/lxde, not ubuntu. But I think they'll work better as thin clients in any case.
19:03
<jason___>
alkisg: I would think too, but at some point I have to question if it's worth it.
19:03
alkisg: I mean, I have no clue what else to go on. This is already far deeper than what I originally anticipated.
19:03
<alkisg>
While installing 80 of them sounds faster?
19:03
<jason___>
alkisg: well currently we have 80 systems that are semi non functional.
19:03
It's not a priority to get them running TODAY, because they still work for SOME tasks, just not all they want.
19:04
I just want htem working, regardless.
19:04
<Ghidorah_>
Ah
19:04
So you install nagios on the app servers?
19:04
<jason___>
besides, Iw ould probably just do an install my own way and remastersys the ISO into a custom one
19:04
<alkisg>
Maintaining 80 local installations, as opposed to having them netbooted, sounds like a nightmare
19:04
<jason___>
alkisg: Maintaining 80 local installations is far better than maintaining 80 local systems that don't work whatsoever.
19:04
<alkisg>
Did you move on with the booting?
19:04
<Ghidorah_>
Any idea how to monitor for issues on client?
19:04
<jason___>
I. need. them. running.
19:05
If LTSP won't work, I need to do something that will.
19:05
regardless of how much maintannce time itll run me
19:05
<alkisg>
Did you get something different now, a gray screen?
19:05
<jason___>
a solid gray screen
19:05
thats it
19:05
been running for 20 minutes now like that
19:05
<alkisg>
That sounds like an improvement. And what is in the logs?
19:06
dhcp, tftp etc?
19:06
<jason___>
sec
19:06
<alkisg>
and how big is the yaboot file anyway?
19:06
<jason___>
182k
19:07
<alkisg>
OK so it doesn't contain the kernel, like nbi.img does. So, did you see a request for the kernel in the tftp logs?
19:07
It might be looking at the wrong path for the kernel too
19:07
<jason___>
http://pastebin.com/kmDEyPi7
19:08
wheres the tftp logs stored?
19:08
<alkisg>
Last 3 lines in the file you just pasted
19:08
<jason___>
yes
19:08
I saw that
19:08
<alkisg>
Check if the files are there
19:08
And if yaboot.conf contains sane values
19:09
(I've never seen yaboot.conf, don't ask me :))
19:09
<jason___>
hm
19:09
vmlinux wasnt in the right place
19:10
it looks like theres a kernel here??
19:10
<alkisg>
vmlinuz is the kernel, yes
19:11
<vagrantc>
vmlinux on powerpc
19:11
<jason___>
one is vmlinux
19:11
theres 2 things here
19:11
the other is vmlinux 2 6 32 34 powerpc
19:11
which I assume is the kernel
19:11
<alkisg>
And the other is a symlink?
19:12
<jason___>
yes
19:12
if I move it, it breaks
19:13
<alkisg>
if you don't know how to make a new symlink that points to the kernel, just copy the kernel
19:13
ln -s is the command for the symlink
19:13
<jason___>
so copy vmlinux 2 6 and vmlinux to powerpc?
19:13
together?
19:13
<alkisg>
Or, cd powerpc; ln -s ../vmlinux.2...6 vmlinux
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<jason___>
update anything or just reboot the client?
19:14
<alkisg>
Reboot
19:15
Don't forget to do the same thing for initrd too
19:17
<jason___>
now the flashing network icon is solid... gray screen behind... doesnt seem to be doing anything else so far
19:17
<alkisg>
logs, again
19:17
<jason___>
same as before
19:17
<alkisg>
check for initrd
19:18
<jason___>
looks identical to before. same 3 lines at the bottom, no initrd from what I see
19:18
<alkisg>
ls -lha -R /var/lib/tftpboot
19:18
pastebin that
19:19
And your yaboot.conf
19:21
<jason___>
http://pastebin.com/ukRziz03
19:21
http://pastebin.com/vZT2gSSc
19:23
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah_, well not really
19:24
<alkisg>
jason___: is that file there?   initrd=/ltsp/powerpc/initrd.img
19:24
Ah let me see for myself..
19:24
<jason___>
thats a symlink too
19:24
but yes theres an initrd.2.6.something.img there too
19:24
<mgariepy>
Ghidorah_, you can remote syslog thin client logs
19:24
<jason___>
just a minute ago I took the ENTIRE contents of /ltsp and copied it to /ltsp/powerpc as well
19:24
<Ghidorah_>
I could turn it on
19:24
<jason___>
just so I have both copies in both places
19:25
<mgariepy>
which is on by default i think
19:25
<jason___>
and still it akes no difference
19:25
<mgariepy>
you have a /etc/rsyslog.d/ltsp.conf
19:25
<alkisg>
append="quiet splash nbdport=2000" ==> jason___ remove quiet splash from there
19:26
<jason___>
from which?
19:26
ah
19:26
yaboot
19:26
nevermind
19:28
<vagrantc>
another thing to try, if it's not actually downloading the kernel or initrd, is to use relative paths in yaboot.conf ... i.e. image=ltsp/powerpc/vmlinux and initrd=ltsp/powerpc/initrd.img (note that the preceeding / is removed)
19:28
i've definitely played games with that before
19:29
<jason___>
no change with quiet splash removed
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<vagrantc>
ah, looks like i have a working setup with /
19:30
<jason___>
you're using PPC thin clients?
19:30
<vagrantc>
sort of
19:30
not as typical thin clients ... we use them to run disk wiping software
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<alkisg>
And the last line you get in the logs is the client requesting vmlinux? ubuntu-ppc in.tftpd[2900]: RRQ from 192.168.100.21 filename /ltsp/powerpc/vmlinux
19:32
<pscheie>
vagrantc, are you using dban on them?
19:32
<alkisg>
No request for initrd?
19:32
<vagrantc>
pscheie: no, some stuff written at freegeek
19:32
pscheie: similar sort of process, though
19:33
<jason___>
looks identical from before alkisg
19:34
<pscheie>
One of the choices I put in our PXE linux menu is dban. It works well but is your custom app faster or better than dban somehow?
19:34
our = FG Twin Cities
19:34
<vagrantc>
pscheie: it logs serial numbers of wiped drives to our database
19:36
<pscheie>
Wow, that's impressive. What's the value of that?
19:36
<vagrantc>
pscheie: auditable record of data destruction?
19:36
pscheie: are you going to the BTS?
19:36
<pscheie>
I can see that. We're not that organized--yet. ;-)
19:37
My latest addition is hdt (hardware detection tool) which then dumps a file on the pxe server.
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<pscheie>
I've got a script that takes some bits of info from that and puts them into a ODT file and prints it
19:38
We get a nice sheet, complete with our logo, showing the specs of the machine
19:39
<vagrantc>
pscheie: yeah, hdt is awesome
19:39
<pscheie>
without needing the person who does the printing needing to know much about the computer in itself.
19:40
<alkisg>
jason___: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaboot/+bug/26426
19:40
<vagrantc>
pscheie: you hang out in #freegeek ever?
19:40
<pscheie>
I wrote it ostensibly for analyzing new donations, but the folks in our thrift store have asked for a version that could be used post-build so there's a nice sheet to go with each machine.
19:40
vagrantc, no, didn't know it existed.
19:41
Guess I'll have to start doing so. :-)
19:41
<vagrantc>
pscheie: it's seeming to be a bit off-topic here
19:41
<alkisg>
jason___: so you need the patched yaboot from comment #18 there
19:41
<pscheie>
yeah, we're drifting.
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19:41
<pscheie>
oh, just saw your question above: yes, I'll be at BTS. You?
19:42
<vagrantc>
debian *finally* got a newer version of yaboot that handles network booting much better
19:42
pscheie: yes, i will be!
19:42
<pscheie>
neat!
19:42
<Ghidorah>
mgariepy: I do have /etc/rsyslog.d/ltsp.conf
19:43
<jason___>
vagrantc: nice. unfortunately I couldnt even INSTALL debian to begin with... yaboot kept failing...
19:43
alkisg: I see that, thank you. How do I apply this patch, though? I'm drawing a blank
19:43
<alkisg>
jason___: it's a whole file, you download it and replace yaboot with that
19:44
<jason___>
alkisg: that's what I thought, but do I have to be logged in to download it or something?
19:44
<alkisg>
No
19:45
wget https://launchpadlibrarian.net/19944818/yaboot
19:47
<jason___>
I think we're getting somewhere...
19:48
now when I take this chroot to the intel server that I'll use in production, I'll need to take all of the yaboot stuff with me, right?
19:49
<alkisg>
/opt/ltsp and /var/lib/tftpboot and dhcpd.conf
19:49
<jason___>
sounds good
19:49
alkisg
19:49
you're the man
19:49
<alkisg>
Did you get to a login screen?
19:49
<jason___>
yup...
19:49
<alkisg>
Cheers
19:49
<jason___>
I want to cry in joy
19:49
<alkisg>
See? faster than 80 installations
19:49
<jason___>
a tear... shedding... right now
19:50
<vagrantc>
jason___: did you find or file bugs about not being able to install debian on powerpc?
19:50
<jason___>
alkisg: if you don't mind, I'm going to spout off some things off the top of my head in regard to essentially what we did to get this working...
19:50
<alkisg>
Please do. In a wiki page. :)
19:50
<jason___>
vagrantc: well, I was using debian testing and didnt realize it, so I backed out... I asked in debian-ppc and a user said they were using debian 6 stable and had the same issue and had found a bug on it.
19:51
vagrantc: once I realized deb 6 stable was the same and caught wind of a bug existing I didnt go any further with it cause I turned around and installed ubuntu then
19:51
<vagrantc>
i see :)
19:51
<jason___>
alkisg: essentially I took a PPC mac, installed LTSP, installed the chroot, customized the dhcp config to reflect the necessary settings for my network, tftp location, etc.
19:51
alkisg: then utilized a "fixed" yaboot file
19:52
alkisg: as well as making sure the files were in the appropriate directories based on the syslog report.
19:52
is that a general concensus?
19:52
<alkisg>
Yes, maybe the problem there was a wrong setting dhcpd.conf
19:52
If so, you wouldn't need to check the syslog
19:52
<jason___>
I think the dhcp config as well as yaboot were basically the big two issues here
19:52
along with the fact some of the paths wanted the files in a different dir underneath /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/powerpc
19:52
but those were super easy to change
19:52
just copy paste in root nautilus
19:53
<alkisg>
OK, you have enough info to write a wiki page about installing ltsp on powerpc :)
19:53
Ah don't forget about the mirrors in the command line
19:53
<jason___>
ah dang
19:53
that was a big one too
19:54
I wonder if these same instructions apply to 11.04
19:54
I used 10.04 here
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<jason___>
well that's fun
20:11
rebooted the server and now the clients wont boot
20:13
<vagrantc>
ouch
20:13
<jason___>
yep
20:13
I added a local user ot the server so I could test the login, but he kept fouling out at the login screen on the client
20:13
so I rebooted the server since I had no clue what else it could be
20:13
and now the client is flashing again
20:20
I mean, what can possibly change during a reboot to bork the install that was there
20:23
<alkisg>
Did you run ltsp-update-image?
20:23
Also, check your logs again, to see where it stops now
20:23
<jason___>
once I rebooted and it still failed I did
20:24
<alkisg>
If you did run ltsp-update-image --force, or ltsp-update-kernels, that would have destroyed the patched yaboot
20:24
<jason___>
ltsp-update-image
20:24
is all I ran
20:24
and that was AFTER it failed when rebooting
20:25
I did nothing until it failed to bring up the client after I rebooted
20:25
<alkisg>
md5sum /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/yaboot
20:26
<jason___>
what do I compare it to? the yaboot I downloaded?
20:26
<alkisg>
Paste the sum here
20:26
f652213102c3ba0e10b1dcbb307bcfa2 yaboot
20:26
<jason___>
yeah
20:26
thats it
20:26
<alkisg>
OK, check the logs
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20:29
<jason___>
Seems to be fine... I see DHCP traffic and thats it.
20:29
only difference is the IP is .22 instead of .21
20:30
<alkisg>
DHCP traffic and no tftp?
20:30
<jason___>
yep
20:30
<alkisg>
Is your tftp server running?
20:30
<jason___>
tftp-hpa is ?
20:30
hmm
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20:34
<alkisg>
sudo netstat -nap | grep :69
20:35
sudo service tftpd-hpa status
20:35
<jason___>
running
20:35
<alkisg>
sudo service tftpd-hpa restart
20:36
OK, paste your dhcp logs again
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20:36
<Ghidorah>
alkisg: concerning auto logoff why not use the killall command to log the idle user off?
20:36
<alkisg>
Ghidorah: it's brutal. Why killall when you can log him out normally?
20:37
<Ghidorah>
True
20:37
<jason___>
alkisg: its working again
20:37
alkisg: tftp related I suppose?
20:38
<alkisg>
Ghidorah: E.g. if the user has 10 firefox tabs open, it's preferred to tell firefox to close normally and save them, instead of crashing it, which will cause the "firefox crashed" dialog the next time the user opens it
20:38
<Ghidorah>
ahh I disable that stuff in Firefox
20:38
<alkisg>
jason___: no idea, you said it was already running so I don't know
20:38
<Ghidorah>
I don't allow saved tabs.
20:38
<alkisg>
Ghidorah: it was just an example, the same is true for all apps
20:38
<Ghidorah>
yeah I didn't consider that
20:39
<alkisg>
It's better to allow them to close normally
20:40
<jason___>
alkisg: what did netstat do?
20:40
<alkisg>
netstat checks if the port is open, it doesn't do anything
20:41
Reboot and check again
20:41
<jason___>
still cant log in as my local user I made
20:42
<alkisg>
Did the "server" IP change since you ran ltsp-build-client?
20:42
<jason___>
build-client? yes
20:43
because I was on the main LAN for network connectivity to hit the mirrors
20:43
once built, I went on my test LAN with no outside access
20:43
it hasnt changed since
20:43
<alkisg>
!ltsp-update-sshkeys
20:43
<ltsp>
alkisg: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
20:44
<jason___>
did that after update image on last reboot
20:44
just rebooted the server, client is fine now
20:44
strange...
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20:46
<jason___>
am I to update SSH-keys first, THEN update image?
20:46
or doesnt it matter what order?
20:47
just ran update-sshkeys. no dice at logging in still
20:47
I gotta sleep on this... things to do that I'm running late for...
20:47
alkisg: thank you so much for your help
20:47
I'll work on it more later tonight if I get the chance and we'll see what happens
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20:50
<alkisg>
"you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards"
20:50
...sorry can't write it more clearly :)
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<vagrantc>
hmmmm... seems like i can just: kill $_LXSESSION_PID
21:58
that's all that lxsession-logout is really doing... i think.
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<Matrix30001>
I am having issues with Google Chrome working with my fat clients, i keep on having an issue with SingleLockOn file needed deleting. I found a part in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients page wehre it talks about SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=False, but then below it talks about NFS_HOME, so would i use both or just one? I am also using a seperate NFS Server for the home directories, and have the /home mounted onto the LT
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