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Channel log from 19 May 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<cyberorg>
why is "LTSP is improving." in Cons? http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ProsAndCons
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<vagrantc>
cyberorg: because it's got issues?
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<cyberorg>
hiya vagrantc :)
00:52
improving is good
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<nantes_geek>
plop
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<vagrantc>
cyberorg: that first list isn't a list of Cons, but things to keep in mind while reviewing the cons... i think.
00:53
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, if aufs works properly, i'd be using that for openSUSE 11.0, it keeps breaking on kernel update now and then
00:55
<vagrantc>
seems to be working fine with debian/lenny
00:56
i've removed and installed packages on the running thin client...
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: hey! :) looks like I'll arrive tonight or tomorrow early morning, at latest. is it complicated/expansive to get to the hotel from the airport?
05:56
<ogra>
the taxi does take about 600ckr
05:56
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: also, I'm trying to remember, did you bring your thincans to UDS or did we agree that we'd upgrade them at LinuxTag next week?
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<stgraber>
Q-FUNK: you can also get the bus
05:58
<Q-FUNK>
stgraber: ok. is there an express shuttle that goes directly to the hotel?
05:58
<stgraber>
Q-FUNK: take the airport express (45czk) then metro line C to Vyzerad (or something like that) (18czk)
05:58
that's how we did with Nicolas and it works fine and is really cheap
05:58
<Q-FUNK>
ok
05:58* jammcq wonders how a czk compares to a euro or dollar
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<Q-FUNK>
I should head out to the bank and change some money for that
05:59
<stgraber>
jammcq: 1 czk =~ 1/25 €
05:59
<Q-FUNK>
ah, ok
05:59
easy to remember then
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<stgraber>
Q-FUNK: there are ATMs at the airport
05:59
<Q-FUNK>
do taxis take credit cards?
05:59
stgraber: ah, ok. good to know.
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<jammcq>
what's the czk:beer ratio?
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<stgraber>
at the hotel it's really expensive 116czk IIRC, we found some at 40czk or even cheaper in the city though
06:01
<Q-FUNK>
hotels are expensive everywhere :(
06:01
<stgraber>
yeah
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<jammcq>
typical high-class hotel
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: and did you say that you had your hardwarr with you or was that for LinuxTag?
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<Blinny>
What would cause a client to boot to a resolution of 640x350 even though they have X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 for their MAC in lts.conf? After logging in you can set the resolution to 1024x768 using System->Preferences->Screen Resolution just fine.
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<Blinny>
What would cause a client to boot to a resolution of 640x350 even though they have X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 for their MAC in lts.conf? After logging in you can set the resolution to 1024x768 using System->Preferences->Screen Resolution just fine.
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<shawnp0wers>
Perhaps Gnome sets the resolution independant of the X session?
08:37
Does it do the same thing with the xterm only desktop?
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<Blinny>
Yeh I'm searching for a .gnome key or something.
08:37
'xterm only desktop' ?
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<shawnp0wers>
Um... Monday memory blank
08:38
like...
08:38
the session with only an xterm
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emergency
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or
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I can't recall
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(gawd I need coffee)
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in sessions in the login window, there should be a default with only xterm or some such thing
08:38
failsafe
08:38
that's the ticket
08:39
I assume there is a failsafe option with LTSP 5
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I haven't checked, but I assume
08:39
<Blinny>
You mean, set the session to failsafe and see if it stays at the crappy resolution?
08:39
<shawnp0wers>
Well, log in with failsafe and see if it honors the lts.conf
08:39
failsafe would eliminate the gnome factor
08:40
heheh, the "Gnome Factor"
08:40
sounds like a reality show
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<likuidkewl>
All - Some confusion about the ltspfs bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379
09:13
A dpkg grep on our ltsp5 ubuntu system only kicks back this http://paste.ubuntu.com/13299/
09:13
Would an install of ltspfs solve the places drive issue?
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<Nubae>
q-funk, u there? wanted to ask some questions about the thincans
09:18
<Q-FUNK>
Nubae: sure, go ahead
09:19
<Nubae>
in terms of shipping, how much do you charge to ship to Southern Spain
09:20
the school I'm at wants to test out the 3 models to see which would best suit them, so want to order one of each to begin with
09:20
<Q-FUNK>
Nubae: spain is within EU. fairly affordable, especially with surface mail. with UPS, a tad more expensive.
09:20
<Nubae>
We're in no rush, so UPS might not be necessary
09:20
<Q-FUNK>
Nubae: in that case, it should be fairly straighforward
09:22
<Nubae>
ok... so shipping for 3 would be about how much u think?
09:22
<Q-FUNK>
Nubae: just fill the request form on our site, include the full mailing address with postal code, EU tax exemption number if applicable and we can send you a quotation.
09:23
<Nubae>
ok, will do, thanks
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<Comete>
hi
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<Q-FUNK>
hi
09:50
<Comete>
anyone using LTSP with gnome Desktop and unix shares ?
09:50
almost everyone i think but...
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<Comete>
i'm still fighting with umask value since two weeks
09:51
am i the only one with this problem ?
09:52
umask value is set to 002 in /etc/profile and /etc/login.defs and it works well when creating folders or files in terminal but not with nautilus
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i've also played with pam_umask without success, at least with GUI applications...
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i've read that a .gnomerc with umask 002 in it could help but it doesn't work for me...
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<ogra>
vagrantc, !
10:05
<vagrantc>
ogra: hey :)
10:05
<ogra>
vagrantc, just got final approval for july ;)
10:05
<vagrantc>
ogra: excellent! :)
10:06
<ogra>
and apprently the intel manager for classmate will be in portland at the same time and urged me to go hiking with him after the event :)
10:06
<vagrantc>
very cool
10:06
<ogra>
yeah
10:06
<vagrantc>
lot of gorgeous places around here
10:06
<ogra>
i heard so, he was saying the same (aparetnly he lived there for quite some time)
10:07
i have davidz here since thu. cool guy :)
10:07
we went over the gvfs issue and talked a bit about hal/devicekit on thin clients already
10:11
if i find some extra time (unlikely) then i'll discuss our sound setup with lennart (pulse upstream) he is here as well
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<Pascal_1>
hello
10:17
vagrantc, no more news about ldm and pam ?
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<vagrantc>
Pascal_1: if there was, i would have added to the bug report. please subscribe to the bug report.
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<Pascal_1>
ok sorry
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<Blinny>
What is the ltspfs package for? I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379 to fix a bug we're seeing, but we don't have ltspfs installed in the chroot.
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<vagrantc>
Blinny: it's the server-side part of ltspfs
10:59
<Blinny>
vagrantc: So shouldn't be in chroot?
10:59
<vagrantc>
Blinny: ltspfsd is installed in the chroot
11:00
Blinny: ltspfs is installed on the server
11:00* ogra sits inteh ubuntu bootspeed optimization BOF .... http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/hardy-20080519-4.png
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<ogra>
vs http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/hardy-20080519-2.png :)
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<Blinny>
vagrantc: Any idea why I'm not seeing that update come through? the bugs page says it's committed to hardy-updates
11:02
ogra: vercool
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<ogra>
yeah
11:02
took me 5 min to cut boot time in half :)
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<vagrantc>
Blinny: have you updated the chroot and run ltsp-update-image, as well as the server itself ?
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11:03* ogra wonders what Blinny is doing there
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<Blinny>
This is my first week using LTSP5 in production so let me verify - To update chroot, I chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 then aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade , then drop out & update-image ?
11:03
<ogra>
why do you upgrade the chroot ?
11:03
<Blinny>
ogra: Trying to hide un-perm'd volumes ala https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfs/+bug/210379
11:04
How else should I be doing it?
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<ogra>
the fix is in lbmount, you only need to update the server side
11:04
and you need libglib2-0
11:04
both should be in -updates
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<Blinny>
ogra: So I 'aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade' ?
11:05
server-side i mean?
11:05
<ogra>
right, with -updates enabled
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<Nubae>
heh, ubuntu and openoffice were just on bbc news
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<Blinny>
Hrm. Yeah, -updates is enabled.
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<ogra>
you want ltspfs 0.5.0~bzr20080109-3ubuntu3
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<Blinny>
My libglib2.0-0 is 2.16.3-1ubuntu1
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<ogra>
glib2.0 2.16.3-1ubuntu1
11:08
that one has the patch
11:08
<Blinny>
W: Unable to locate package glib2.0
11:08
<ogra>
(thats a source package name)
11:08
your binary version matches
11:08
what version is ltspfs ?
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<Blinny>
0.5.0~bzr20080109-3ubuntu3
11:09
But I still see other users' floppies in Places->
11:10
<ogra>
hmm, on the desktop as well ?
11:10
<Blinny>
Let me set the gconf pref back & check
11:10
<ogra>
what did you set ?
11:10
<Blinny>
apps->nautilus->desktop->volumes_visible
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<ogra>
nd did you re-login after upgrading ?
11:11
it wont apply to your current session
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<Blinny>
I'll re-log in right now but I've been in & out all day.
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<Blinny>
and yes, with volumes_visible checked I see floppies on the desktop
11:11
BRB
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<Blinny>
Yup, floppies still present.
11:12* vagrantc is happy to be rid of the ~bzr versions :)
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<Blinny>
Interestingly enough, there are only 2. I have 12 users doing thin stuff right now.
11:12
While some may not have floppy drives, it's more than 2 of them.
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<ogra>
weird
11:12
i definately only see one on each users desktop
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and only the devices a user can access
11:13
tested several times in different setup
11:13
s
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<Blinny>
Does it matter than I'm in admin group?
11:13
<ogra>
no
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<Blinny>
Anything you'd like me to test here?
11:14
<ogra>
i'm busy in a discussion atm and wont really have time for debugging stuff before next week
11:14
<-- at UDS
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<Blinny>
O.
11:15
<ogra>
http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/oder.ogg.m3u
11:15
<Blinny>
I'll add to the bugreport.
11:15
<ogra>
in case you want to listen :)
11:15
ok
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<Blinny>
Cheers - First day of users in-house using brand-new hardy server. I'm a little busy atm also (:
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<warren>
vagrantc: I'm tagging ltsp-trunk
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<vagrantc>
i was thinking i'd be doing an upload today, but i have to do some other stuff
11:46
warren: so go ahead
11:46
at least, from my perspective
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<warren>
what do you have queued up?
11:46
I can wait
11:47
I'm only pushing minor bug fixes anyhow
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<vagrantc>
i wanted to confirm with ogra weather to switch from unionfs to aufs
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<warren>
ok, these don't effect me
11:47
<vagrantc>
not really any other upstream changes
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<vagrantc>
i might just do another debian revision and not even use the current upstream... the changes relevent for debian are pretty minor
11:49
5.1.5 -> current ltsp-trunk ... it feels pretty stable
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<warren>
when will you do your upload?
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<vagrantc>
the only major change i hope to have time to get in before debian freeze (in about a month) would be the cdpinger/ltspfsd from udev stuff
11:50
<warren>
how stable is that now?
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<vagrantc>
warren: not sure. i may not even touch ltsp-trunk to do the upload.
11:50
<warren>
ok, then I'm tagging now
11:51
I've been testing these changes for a while
11:51
I need to get them out
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<vagrantc>
warren: proof of concept. i fear it may be prone to race conditions or something like that.
11:52
warren: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/ltspfs-udev-cdpinger/ if you want to take another look at it ...
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<vagrantc>
although, it conflicts with ltspfs-trunk at the moment, since i re-wrote a lot of the same stuff
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<warren>
cdpinger is only relevant to CD drives?
11:52
<vagrantc>
yes
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anyways, i gotta run ...
11:53
<warren>
hmm, I don't even have a client with a CD drive here
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<vagrantc>
heh
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<warren>
vagrantc: could you resync it with ltspfs-trunk soon to make it easier to verify?
11:53
<vagrantc>
yeah, i can do that.
11:54
<warren>
k
11:54
let me know when you're done
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<vagrantc>
don't know weather it's better to make a new branch from ltspfs-trunk and merge the changes in, or merge ltspfs-trunk into the feature branch
11:54
soon as in, sometime in the next 2-3 days
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<Blinny>
I've got clients that frequently do full-stop 100% lock ups. What can I do to debug these issues?
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<warren>
Blinny: did you confirm if it is hardware or software?
12:14
<Blinny>
warren: Not yet. I'm a little stuck, because the client is seriously, 100% locked. No flipping to VTs either.
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<warren>
just one client
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not all
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or all of the same model
12:14
is it reproducible
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<Blinny>
Not all. Different models.
12:14
No, it's not.
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One commonality is FF usage though.
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...and this is Ubuntu 8.04 w/ the beta Firefox.
12:17
I'm assuming it's software, as last week on K12LTSP V6 (ltsp4.2) these clients were kicking just fine.
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<warren>
tried fedora 9?
12:25
https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
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<johnny>
why would we do that :)
12:26
lol
12:26
howdy warren
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<warren>
howdy
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<johnny>
so.. things are still movin.. i should catch up on the list
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<Blinny>
warren: heh. Thanks.
12:29
<warren>
Blinny: your only chance is to narrow it down somehow
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<Blinny>
warren: Any way to turn on centralized logging?
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<warren>
Blinny: I think we don't have that working yet, we just haven't tried to enable it
12:34
oh
12:34
you're asking about ubuntu
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I have no idea
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<Blinny>
I'd imagine that's probably OS-independent, but *shrug*
12:34
option log-server in dhcpd.conf perhaps
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<warren>
assuming your OS implemented it
12:35
I don't think Fedora did
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<johnny>
no
12:37
it's an lts.conf option
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<warren>
johnny: still, assuming your OS implemented using that lts.conf option
12:38
<johnny>
if my distro was official.. that'd be at least 3 out of what.. 6? :)
12:38
debian/ubuntu both have it implemented
12:40* warren looking at what it takes to make it work
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<warren>
it isn't implemented here because we don't use ltsp-setup, and we don't use syslog
12:40
<johnny>
using ltsp-setup was simple enough for me
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<arnadelo>
i've got this problem nfsmount:need a path
12:43
<johnny>
you're using what distro?
12:43
<arnadelo>
edubuntu 7.10
12:43
<johnny>
it doesn't even use nfs
12:43
by default
12:43
<arnadelo>
yes it was working all this year
12:44
<johnny>
it uses nbd , not nfs at 7.10
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<arnadelo>
but last week there was an update of ssh and the server breaks
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<johnny>
then you need to regenerate your keys
12:44
and the chroot for good measure
12:45
you should just rebuild your chroot
12:45
that should solve it
12:45
<arnadelo>
how do i do this
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<johnny>
back up your old one tho
12:45
<arnadelo>
ok
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<johnny>
ltsp-build-client ?
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<arnadelo>
are you sure
12:45
?
12:45
<johnny>
huh?
12:45
man ltsp-build-client
12:46
you tell me :)
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<Blinny>
johnny: Do you recall the specifics of turning on centralized logging so I can find the source of these client lockups?
12:46
(ubuntu 8.04)
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<johnny>
read lts-parameters.txt
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but i doubt you'll find the source there
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x doesn't log there
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<Blinny>
SYSLOG_HOST
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<johnny>
i don't know if ubuntu needs modification on the server side
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to actually use that
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<Blinny>
It says put -r in /etc/ltsp/syslogd but I don't have that file.
12:49
So, perhaps.
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<laga>
try /etc/default/syslogd
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<Blinny>
laga: Inside the chroot or server side?
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<laga>
server
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<Blinny>
Cool, thank you.
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I must specify it for an individual client though, as I have multiple subnets being served.
12:51
Thanks laga, johnny, warren.
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<arnadelo>
i've just done my backup so i'm going to make a try with ltsp-build-client, see you soon, and thanks
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<johnny>
arnadelo, make sure you do --arch=thinclientarch
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if your server is amd64
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<arnadelo>
ok, thaks
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<vertical>
Can someone assist me with getting ndbswap running?
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<vertical>
running hardy
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will post lts.conf and nbdswapd.conf if needed
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<johnny>
afaik.. that's all you had to do was set it in lts.conf .. didn't know anything else was needed
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maybe another ubuntu person could help
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<warren>
I had to add a few bug fixes to ltsp-trunk to get it working on fedora recently
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at least some of those fixes looked like a "how the heck could this work for anyone"
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<Q-FUNK>
heh
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<warren>
Q-FUNK: and I'm still failing to boot your coreboot/etherboot
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<Q-FUNK>
with mkeflimage generating the boot image?
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<warren>
yes
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<Q-FUNK>
you don't get any X or does it flat out not boot?
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<warren>
it seems that the initrd in the image is corrupted
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strike that...
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the zlib decompressor in mkelfimage that is embedded into the elf binary fails to decompress the initrd
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<Q-FUNK>
ah. that would explain it
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oh?
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<warren>
afaict that's what's going on
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http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.etherboot.user/5731
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http://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2008-April/033764.html
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wraplinux relies on BIOS calls so it can't work with coreboot. hpa claims that coreboot is a completely misguided concept and it is impossible to support.
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mkelfimage seems to be the only one that avoids BIOS calls so it has a chance of working
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but it doesn't seem to like this 2.6.25 kernel built with gcc-4.3
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<Q-FUNK>
iirc that might be a compiler issue
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<warren>
have you seen other compiler issues?
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Q-FUNK: I tried the mkelfimage binary from Ubuntu just to be sure it isn't a miscompiled tool and it exhibits the same behavior.
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<Q-FUNK>
ah, that. you seem to be using old initrd tools. we need mkinitramfs-tools for this to work
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ööö... initramfs-tools
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<warren>
no.
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we have an entirely different initrd tool set
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but the file format of the initrd is the same
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anyhow, I confirmed the issue by
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hm
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<sa>
hi
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<sa>
hey i need info to set a server performance
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<Blinny>
sa: What's up
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<sa>
i want set a linux terminal service provider/ sunray software server for 40 runray terminals and i dont know whaht the minimal pc config
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they need use java / postgess / compilers / image manipulation and VM
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<Blinny>
http://www.sun.com/software/sunray/serversizing.jsp
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sa: A good starting point for LTSP is 256MB in the server plus 128 per concurrent client.
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sa: RAM is king though - with Java, VM and image manipulation, I would say more like 256 per concurrent client. You have very demanding needs; It's best to put as much as you can afford.
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<warren>
SunRay software requires a LOT more RAM per-client than LTSP
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because the entire framebuffer is in server's memory
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<Blinny>
From looking at that page, it sure sounds higher.
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<warren>
I'm not sure why sa is asking here.
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<Blinny>
I'm not sure how LTSP fits into this equation.
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<warren>
yeah
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<Blinny>
Perhaps one server will be doing all these things. Yikes.
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<warren>
SunRay is a lot more like Citrix or VNC
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<sa>
minimal and the problem is: i have 40 think clients
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: could be worth bringing up the issue on #coreboot
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<warren>
sa: you're asking in the wrong place.
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Q-FUNK: I did, people suggested posting to lists, I did.
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<Q-FUNK>
ok
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<warren>
Q-FUNK: I got nothing
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<Q-FUNK>
no response?
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<warren>
Q-FUNK: I'm going to dig deeper
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Q-FUNK: none
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<Q-FUNK>
damn.
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<warren>
like try building the kernel with different compilers
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<sa>
no i want know the computer config recomended for its
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<laga>
for its?
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<warren>
sa: if you're using sunray then nothing here is relevant to you
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<Q-FUNK>
mind you, the mkelfimage codebase has been rotting dead since 2006. I wouldn't be surpised if recent compiler changes or initrd tool changes have affected it
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<sa>
but i use it on debian
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the only diferent is: the think connect by hjava socket to the x
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<warren>
sa: you are not listening
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<sa>
Xsever
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<warren>
sa: sunray is entirely different from LTSP
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<sa>
good
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: mkelfimage is one of those tools that date back from when LinuxBIOS was in its infancy and the guys behind it have completely disappeard off the scene
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<warren>
Q-FUNK: I know
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Q-FUNK: fundamentally I am getting zero help from the kernel experts because they all hate coreboot
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they think it is a stupid design and a dead end
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<Q-FUNK>
the codebase was imported into coreboot svn just before their server disappeared, but it's never been upgraded since then
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warren: and they would use what instead? a traditional fucked up bios?
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<warren>
they all tell me openfirmware
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or EFI
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<Q-FUNK>
OF requires some serious porting to work and it cannot quite boot on its own. even on OLPC, they have to load OF as a coreboot payload.
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and EFI is real crap
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also, OF is not quite license-free
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<warren>
are you sure?
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OF was opened
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<Q-FUNK>
dual-license, IIRC
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<Q-FUNK>
I would never call Coreboot a silver bullet, but compared to EFI or a BIOS, it's at least usable and legacy-free.
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<warren>
it itself might be legacy free
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but it relies on the mkelfimage legacy which gets no attention
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<Q-FUNK>
in principle, OF is nice, but it's mostly a geek toy. regular users don't want to fiddle with a boot prompt.
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well, no.
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mkelfimage is needed to generate BIOS-free ELF images.
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nothing else does it.
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everything else out there ends up relying on one legacy BIOS call or an other.
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that the code hasn't been maintained in ages is a completely different issue.
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and coreboot itself works just fine without mkelfimage
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only generating boot images for legacy-free loaders fails, because few people ever attempted it to beging with and now nobody maintains it.
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<Q-FUNK>
building coreboot loaders itself has in fact significantly improved and become a lot more efficient and simpe than before.
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<dyn>
has anyone else had problems with LTSP-5 Hardy and the systems dbus crashing? (this causing lots of errors because of HAL, the clients dbus process, etc)
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<dyn>
I can't get the dbus-dbgsym packge installed because it wants 1.2.0.1.1_ubuntu2 and the latest version is 1.2.0.1.1_ubuntu1 or I would submit a backtrace
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<warren>
Anybody have an Edubuntu 8.04 right now?
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<johnny>
i have an ubuntu 8.04..
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edubuntu is just an addon cd
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in 8.04
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<warren>
johnny: you have a working /opt/ltsp/i386?
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<johnny>
uhmm.. i assume i do.. thin clients boot :)
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there is a registered bug about expired password warnies
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warnings*
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i fixed that manually
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what problem are you running into warren ?
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<warren>
johnny: could you please tar up /var/lib/tftpboot/i386 for me?
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<johnny>
sure.. gimme 10 minutes?
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<warren>
sure
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<johnny>
it's actually /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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uploading to http://localmomentum.net/~johnny/tftpboot.tar.bz2 : get it in 5 minutes
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<Comete>
hi
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<Comete>
could someone tell me how to make nautilus use the umask value defined in /etc/profile ?
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<warren>
ooh interesting
16:39
Ubuntu's 2.6.24 exhibits the same broken behavior
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<johnny>
2.6.24 is broken :)
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<warren>
johnny: in what way?
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<johnny>
got more audio skips with 2.6.24 than any kernel since before 2.6
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2.6.25 seems better
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that's what i'm using on my desktop
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<warren>
ok, i'm wrong, ubuntu's 2.6.24 work shere
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works here
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<dyn>
2.6.24-16-server seems to work pretty good. libflash plus stuff is broken but, everything else plays audio just fine
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pulse*
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<loather-work>
libflashsupport?
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<johnny>
dyn, it has nothing to do with the kernel..
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and everything to do with libflashsupport
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luckily libflashsupport isn't needed for flashplayer 10
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<warren>
(thanks to me)
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<johnny>
i don't know anything about that
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<warren>
Red Hat reverse engineered the plugin and figured out exactly what was wrong with the sound part
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Lennart did most of the work along with pulseaudio
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unfortunately flash 10 seems to have several other new crashes
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but the frequent sound related crashes seem to be a lot better now
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and it works better with pulseaudio
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and it works great without libflashsupport
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<dyn>
johnny: people were just talking about the kernel so, I figured I'd post my experiance
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im aware it has nothing to do with the kernel but, a race condition with flash + pulse
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is flashplayer 10 out?
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is anyone else running LTSP5-Hardy ?
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<johnny>
it's beta
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and yes i am
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<dyn>
are you having any problems with HAL (via the system dbus crashing?)
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its hard to reproduce, but every so often the system dbus crashes, causing "Failed to initialze HAL" apon login. This can't really be deployed into production until we fix that :-/
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seems to happen less when strace'ing.. making me think its a race condition some how, and the slow down from strace causes it to be less apparent.... /me shrugs
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<arnadelo>
hallo from spain
18:20
my edubuntu 7.10 ltsp server has a problem
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it has been working for a year very well
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<arnadelo>
but it seems that now the client is trying to mount /opt/ltsp/i386 via nfs instead of nbd
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any sugestion
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?
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<X0d_of_N0d>
what version of ltsp are you using.... just out of curiosity
18:35
5 or 4.2
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<warren>
5 doesn't really mean anything these days..
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<X0d_of_N0d>
there are multiple implimentations?
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When is that going to be finalized? is there any kind of roadmap or anything?
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<dyn>
is there any wiki or forum for LTSP? if not.. is there any possibility of this soon?
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<X0d_of_N0d>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation
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but is there one for 5?
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<dyn>
"LTSP-5 as of 031207"... that is more than a year old now
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<X0d_of_N0d>
is there any kind of standardization planned, or is everyone just going to go on their own way?
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<johnny>
there's not much to standardize
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it relies on the distros' own tools
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which aren't exactly similiar
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<dyn>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5Status the latest version that talks about is 6.06...
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<johnny>
i started off debian's base tho
19:13
i run ltsp-build-client just like ubuntu/debian
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<johnny>
the wiki could use some updating for sure
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<dyn>
http://forum.freespire.org/forumdisplay.php?f=80 is about it in terms of forums (becides some random ubuntu posts)
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<johnny>
that's not even official afaik
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X0d_of_N0d, what are you expecting to be standardized?
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<X0d_of_N0d>
maybe not standaradization, but organization... like some documentation would be really nice
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some *up to date* documentation
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<johnny>
docuentation of what?
19:27
exactly?
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i think the only thing that they all have in common has not changed
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there's been a few new things added, but not much.. it's been alot of cleanup, and helping distros
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like i had to patch ldm to work with gentoo, cuz it worked differently than other distros session handling
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<vertical>
can I get some assistance getting swap working for my thin clients. Using Ubuntu Hardy.
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<vertical>
can I get some assistance getting swap working for my thin clients. Using Ubuntu Hardy.
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<Marlboro>
boa noite / good night
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estou precisando de ajuda com o LTSP / I need help with LTSP
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boa noite
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HELP !!!
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<Marlboro>
rs
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=/
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trops
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desculpa
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<Marlboro>
23:45
ajuda ai JIUJITSUMAN
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<Marlboro>
I need help with LTSP
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